Well this is selling point for VSL! I too thought he was scamming us but then I could tell it was fake in the middle section - the opening is incredibly well done. Mr Daduh59 you know how to midi this stuff.
Duuuude!! This is totally unfair. I can't afford to buy the VSL samples, and this mockup simply rubs salt in the wound. Excellent work. I'd love to hear more.
Woah. This is AMAZING, incredible work! I absolutely love the Rite, and you pulled it off super effectively. This should have far more views, wow. Bravo!
This is outstanding. It's quite amazing how far this technology has come in the last decade or so. The best tech is no good in the hands of someone with no talent, so the fact that you've produced these results is a great credit to you and shows how much talent for this you have. Thanks for sharing.
This is outstanding. It's quite amazing how far this technology has come in the last decade or so. The best tech is no good in the hands of someone with no talent, so the fact that you've produced these results is a great credit to you. Thanks for sharing.
it's so amazing how realistic these samplers can sound now. like AMAZING. i have to listen SUPER CRITICALLY before i can even tell, and it would only be something i'm incredibly familiar with, like piano or certain string sounds.
I M P R E S S I O N A N T E ! ! ! Great performance, one of the best "Rites" I have ever heard, even if it is totally synthetic: better than many real world conductors.
In reply to the criticisms of Mr. Samuelson below, I would state once again that I use the MP3 recording of this to show-off my high-end stereo equipment, and in doing so, I have played Jay Bacal's performance for professional musicians, and they were all astounded when I told them that the sound was synthesized. I play the clarinet, and the sound here is better than my tone. I also correspond with a famous composer who is likewise an admirer of Jay Bacal's work. I am tempted here to Copy & Paste my standard reply to all the armchair critics (typically adolescent boys) of classical performances at this site, but instead, let me simply suggest that whenever anyone sees such dismissive remarks, click on the critic's name, and you will discover that the critic, without exception, has nothing to show for his genius. No performances, not even a cat video. I suppose that being such a discerning critic consumes all his talent.
Listening to this in 2024, while already having the full Synchron Package and yet can't get such tremendous results (honestly while listening I was suspecting this is just scam/dishonest presentation until I heard the synthy sound of strings in a specific high-register part). Would be great if you could redo this mockup with the latest libs from VSL and present us a walkthrough on how to get this realistic sound! Thanks!
Thanks. Yes, in the Beethoven I used various kinds of slides that VSL variously calls Sul, Zigane, Portamento, and Glissando. A few slides were even created with old-fashioned pitch bending.
I fell in love with your rendition of the Razumovsky Op 59 #3 Finale over on the VSL website. Did you use portamento to imitate the shift I heard in the 1st violin part roughly 1 min in? Your attention to detail is so wonderful!
All these sounds are recorded from real live instruments from the Vienna Symphony Orchestra. So if they do not sound convincing to some here, it is the fault of the programmer, not the samples. Using correct articulations is critical.
I respect VSL, for the texture and details, their samples are probably the best. But it's when we need a big dynamic orchestra ambiance that VSL need to work on.
Do you mind if I ask - where are the A and D piccolo Clarinets? I swear it's the D Clarinet that plays the descending motif at 00:25, and the A Clarinet doubles the Bb Bass Clarinet in chromatic fourths at 00:22.
Mr. Daduh, are you Jay Bacal? I ask because I am interested in having my two piano concertos done in VSL. I have tried for live performances but the doors are closed to me because I am an unknown. This may be a viable alternative I would like to check out. The concertos are in "Romantic" style; conventional orchestration; one is 28 minutes, the other is 18 minutes. Roughly 45 minutes altogether. What would it cost to get this kind of quality? The concertos are on my TH-cam homepage.
Mr. Bacal, you did an amazing job! I love how much Vienna Symphonic Library sounds like a real orchestra playing! I have a few suggestions, though. First, somebody already mentioned this, but the trill at 1:38 should be a major trill, and not a minor trill. Second, the tempos are mostly good but I think that Spring Rounds is too slow (84 BPM compared to the written 108), the "piu mosso" in Mystic Circles is too fast (approx. 108-120 [I think] compared to Stravinsky's written 80), the Evocation of the Ancestors is too slow (100 compared to Stravinsky's 144, Stravinsky stated that the pulse in the Evocation should be the same as in the Glorification [see "Stravinsky, Tempo and le Sacre" by Erica Heisler Buxbaum], and you took the Glorification [whose tempo is not a problem, Stravinsky actually preferred the Glorification slightly slower] at 132-138 so the Evocation should also be 132-138), and the Sacrificial Dance might be the biggest problem of all: 144 compared to Stravinsky's 126. Stravinsky thought 138 was "unsuitably fast" (also see Buxbaum's article). I would love it if you made the whole entire Firebird ballet! I know there's samples of selections of the Firebird on the VSL website, but you put more expression in yours than others on VSL! Plus, no one made the whole thing! So I would love to hear (and see) the Firebird made by you!
First: incredible accomplishment. The VSL is an amazing instrument, and you have turned in a virtuoso performance of a masterpiece. From about 4:42 to 4:46 there are some arpeggios that the score shows belong to the bass clarinet. However, to my ear, it sounds like an organ here. I don't hear it anywhere else, although there are some pretty dense patches where it would be hard to pick out if it were present. Am I wrong?
Vienna and Garritan seem to to be the best, but are there any other orchestra samples that can work for Sibelius? PS I AM FLOORED by your work, you did such an outstanding job with this.
Not bad at all. One can still hear a bit of trouble with the highest bassoon notes (higher than treble-c {Tenor's high-C}), and the 1st-violins' tril on their first entry should be a major, not a minor, 2nd. Nonetheless, it's an excellent sound overall - keep working at it. A few more years and I can see that one truly will be extra-hard-pressed to distinguish between a computer using the Vienna-Symphonic Library and a truly top-notch orchestra, even by the best of ears...
The clarinets sound bad, sorry. You just cannot reproduce woodwinds through any program. The bassoon is okay, but the clarinets and oboes don't sound good at all to anyone who has seen even a couple of orchestras perform. Not to mention what actual professionals will think. Interesting tool, though. About the closest I've seen any program come to reproducing a full, overtone laden orchestral sound.
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14 years ago. Jeesh! Sounds pretty good still!
Wow - absolutely outstanding work!
This is a masterpiece! Well done Sir!
wonderful
Well done!!! and great hard work! You probably learned and sharpened so many different skills doing this. Well done!!!
Wow. Thats all I can say. That program is amazing and that arrangement and programming is crazy.
Amazing! congrats again Jay!
Most loved piece!
Well this is selling point for VSL! I too thought he was scamming us but then I could tell it was fake in the middle section - the opening is incredibly well done. Mr Daduh59 you know how to midi this stuff.
Just amazing. I had a go at sacrificial dance but then just gave up. Nicely done here.
Duuuude!! This is totally unfair. I can't afford to buy the VSL samples, and this mockup simply rubs salt in the wound.
Excellent work. I'd love to hear more.
I honestly don't believe any other library could pull this off as deftly as VSL. Great job Jay!
Woah. This is AMAZING, incredible work! I absolutely love the Rite, and you pulled it off super effectively. This should have far more views, wow. Bravo!
This is outstanding. It's quite amazing how far this technology has come in the last decade or so. The best tech is no good in the hands of someone with no talent, so the fact that you've produced these results is a great credit to you and shows how much talent for this you have. Thanks for sharing.
This is outstanding. It's quite amazing how far this technology has come in the last decade or so. The best tech is no good in the hands of someone with no talent, so the fact that you've produced these results is a great credit to you. Thanks for sharing.
it's so amazing how realistic these samplers can sound now. like AMAZING. i have to listen SUPER CRITICALLY before i can even tell, and it would only be something i'm incredibly familiar with, like piano or certain string sounds.
I M P R E S S I O N A N T E ! ! !
Great performance, one of the best "Rites" I have ever heard, even if it is totally synthetic: better than many real world conductors.
In reply to the criticisms of Mr. Samuelson below, I would state once again that I use the MP3 recording of this to show-off my high-end stereo equipment, and in doing so, I have played Jay Bacal's performance for professional musicians, and they were all astounded when I told them that the sound was synthesized. I play the clarinet, and the sound here is better than my tone. I also correspond with a famous composer who is likewise an admirer of Jay Bacal's work.
I am tempted here to Copy & Paste my standard reply to all the armchair critics (typically adolescent boys) of classical performances at this site, but instead, let me simply suggest that whenever anyone sees such dismissive remarks, click on the critic's name, and you will discover that the critic, without exception, has nothing to show for his genius. No performances, not even a cat video. I suppose that being such a discerning critic consumes all his talent.
FWIW, it's not 'synthesized,' it is recorded, segmented and re-assembled. Wendy Carlos and isao Tomita did orchestral synthesis.
@inspi1212 This was created entirely using only VSL sample libraries. But I'm glad you liked it well enough to think it's a real orchestra.
well done
INCREDIBLE!!!
I know you get tons of praise but this is truly fantastic work.
2:30 --> Uffff, what a work!!!! You are amazing!!
Listening to this in 2024, while already having the full Synchron Package and yet can't get such tremendous results (honestly while listening I was suspecting this is just scam/dishonest presentation until I heard the synthy sound of strings in a specific high-register part). Would be great if you could redo this mockup with the latest libs from VSL and present us a walkthrough on how to get this realistic sound! Thanks!
Thanks. Yes, in the Beethoven I used various kinds of slides that VSL variously calls Sul, Zigane, Portamento, and Glissando. A few slides were even created with old-fashioned pitch bending.
j'adore 0:55, where you make the winds simply come to light.
Insane!!!!!
This may sound odd, but my first thought is...Microsoft and Sonar should chip in to buy this video and get it in a commercial pronto.
O.o It is incredible
Holy shazbot!! Amazing!
@warpold This uses the complete (well nearly) Vienna sample library.
Amazingly realistic. Beautifully executed. I want VSL! (Have Kontakt 4's stripped down version on order.)
wow
It's faster than the original, don't you think? Anyway, the sound it's great and the quality of the sounds is magnificent. Congratulations!
I used the Eb clarinet to approximate the D clarinet and I used the Bb clarinet for the A clarinet.
Best,
Jay
I too am impressed at the quality of the sounds and your sequencing. How many hours did it take you to go from score to this finished product?
I fell in love with your rendition of the Razumovsky Op 59 #3 Finale over on the VSL website. Did you use portamento to imitate the shift I heard in the 1st violin part roughly 1 min in? Your attention to detail is so wonderful!
Sometimes crescendos use volume increase, sometimes velocity crossfade and sometimes the crescendos are built into the samples themselves.
WOW
All these sounds are recorded from real live instruments from the Vienna Symphony Orchestra. So if they do not sound convincing to some here, it is the fault of the programmer, not the samples. Using correct articulations is critical.
This is beautifully done Mr. Bacal. Bravo! Are you employing the complete Vienna samples or are you using a limited Vienna sample library?
I respect VSL, for the texture and details, their samples are probably the best. But it's when we need a big dynamic orchestra ambiance that VSL need to work on.
Amazing--technical question for anyone who knows: are the samples loading from a standard hard drive or raid? Thanks.
Do you mind if I ask - where are the A and D piccolo Clarinets?
I swear it's the D Clarinet that plays the descending motif at 00:25, and the A Clarinet doubles the Bb Bass Clarinet in chromatic fourths at 00:22.
Hi Jay,
is it possible to have the Midi or the Logic or XML file so I can test it on my Mac Pro
It's samples of real people playing, but it's all triggered via MIDI and software instruments. This is the power of VSL. :)
Thanks. Also - what's up with that inaudible Eb7 and C8 at 00:19?
Mr. Daduh, are you Jay Bacal? I ask because I am interested in having my two piano concertos done in VSL. I have tried for live performances but the doors are closed to me because I am an unknown. This may be a viable alternative I would like to check out. The concertos are in "Romantic" style; conventional orchestration; one is 28 minutes, the other is 18 minutes. Roughly 45 minutes altogether. What would it cost to get this kind of quality? The concertos are on my TH-cam homepage.
I don't know the answer to your question. If you post your question on the VSL forum I'm sure that someone there will be able to help you.
Best,
Jay
this is the most impressive thing ive ever seen on youtube. You mad man this mustve killed you lol
Mr. Bacal, you did an amazing job! I love how much Vienna Symphonic Library sounds like a real orchestra playing! I have a few suggestions, though. First, somebody already mentioned this, but the trill at 1:38 should be a major trill, and not a minor trill. Second, the tempos are mostly good but I think that Spring Rounds is too slow (84 BPM compared to the written 108), the "piu mosso" in Mystic Circles is too fast (approx. 108-120 [I think] compared to Stravinsky's written 80), the Evocation of the Ancestors is too slow (100 compared to Stravinsky's 144, Stravinsky stated that the pulse in the Evocation should be the same as in the Glorification [see "Stravinsky, Tempo and le Sacre" by Erica Heisler Buxbaum], and you took the Glorification [whose tempo is not a problem, Stravinsky actually preferred the Glorification slightly slower] at 132-138 so the Evocation should also be 132-138), and the Sacrificial Dance might be the biggest problem of all: 144 compared to Stravinsky's 126. Stravinsky thought 138 was "unsuitably fast" (also see Buxbaum's article). I would love it if you made the whole entire Firebird ballet! I know there's samples of selections of the Firebird on the VSL website, but you put more expression in yours than others on VSL! Plus, no one made the whole thing! So I would love to hear (and see) the Firebird made by you!
Do you think this program could play pieces like Berio's sequenzae?
Yes, Altiverb--Todd AO + Mechanics Hall IR's
First: incredible accomplishment. The VSL is an amazing instrument, and you have turned in a virtuoso performance of a masterpiece.
From about 4:42 to 4:46 there are some arpeggios that the score shows belong to the bass clarinet. However, to my ear, it sounds like an organ here. I don't hear it anywhere else, although there are some pretty dense patches where it would be hard to pick out if it were present. Am I wrong?
Vienna and Garritan seem to to be the best, but are there any other orchestra samples that can work for Sibelius?
PS
I AM FLOORED by your work, you did such an outstanding job with this.
They are keyswitches for the bass clarinets.
--Jay
A bit of all three plus I made many adjustments to the tempo track.
What reverberation did you use?
Not bad at all. One can still hear a bit of trouble with the highest bassoon notes (higher than treble-c {Tenor's high-C}), and the 1st-violins' tril on their first entry should be a major, not a minor, 2nd. Nonetheless, it's an excellent sound overall - keep working at it. A few more years and I can see that one truly will be extra-hard-pressed to distinguish between a computer using the Vienna-Symphonic Library and a truly top-notch orchestra, even by the best of ears...
best comment of the month
@codeWormCom It took me many months of work.
Yes, Dover edition.
That's amazing, but if my orchestra played like that, I'd have to order up some red beans and rice by the ton.
@misterodellafede
Altiverb
probably more than Stravinsky :))
I am from the past, what day is it today??
Pawel Wysocki February 14, 2018
The clarinets sound bad, sorry. You just cannot reproduce woodwinds through any program. The bassoon is okay, but the clarinets and oboes don't sound good at all to anyone who has seen even a couple of orchestras perform. Not to mention what actual professionals will think. Interesting tool, though. About the closest I've seen any program come to reproducing a full, overtone laden orchestral sound.