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- Psychologist Elizabeth Loftus studies memories. More precisely, she studies false memories, when people either remember things that didn't happen or remember them differently from the way they really were. It's more common than you might think, and Loftus shares some startling stories and statistics, and raises some important ethical questions we should all remember to consider.
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who else here for their psychology homework ?
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In Scottish Law, witnesses are NOT PERMITTED to hear the testimony of other witnesses to prevent contamination of testimony. This has been the case for HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
Scottish law seems to be awesome then.
America is by far the most socially backwards "westernized" country. I hate living here.
Ben Rosenberg:
There is a simple solution to your problem. Go somewhere else.
@@DavidFMayerPhD Have a spare room? I'm on my way.
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To tell you the truth I've been genuinely considering that lately
This is why I laugh when people say, "Well, if you didn't do it, then you don't have anything to worry about." I'm sorry, but there have simply been too many miscarriages of justice for me to believe that for a second.
Nick Joslinn God , do I agree with you.
The other one I hate is when. Peop;e say "the Truth will set YOU FREE"??.. Well in this Decade, that does NOT seem to be the Case.. CRAZY High Rise Epidemic of Fabricated Allegtions / Accusations etc..
+Nick Joslin When people say that it doesn't make me laugh but it makes me sad
Maia Jincharadze Yeah, either sad or afraid.
Are you in trouble ?
Titus' story is so sad... I feel horrible for what happened to him and his family... He was gonna probably have a long and happy life with his wife and family, but the horribly broken justice system tore that life from him and destroyed his life to the point of death... :(
It is sad, initially, but he made the choice to let this experience hold him back and ruin his own life in the process
+Brooklyn Bradley - Exactly! I would argue ‘innocent until proven guilty’ is a bed rock foundational principal.
+Benjamin Michaels - I suspect you would feel differently if you are ever wrongly accused of such a horrid crime as rape.
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On the subject of _Justice_
_”That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved.”_ ~ Benjamin Franklin (1706-90) in a letter to Benjamin Vaughan, March 14, 1785.-The Writings of Benjamin Franklin, ed. Albert H. Smyth, vol. 9, p. 293 (1906).
Franklin was echoing Voltaire, _”that generous Maxim, that ’tis much more Prudence to acquit two Persons, tho’ actually guilty, than to pass Sentence of Condemnation on one that is virtuous and innocent.”_ ~Zadig, chapter 6, p. 53 (1749, reprinted 1974).
Also, Sir William Blackstone, in his Commentaries on the Laws of England, 9th ed., book 4, chapter 27, p. 358 (1783, reprinted 1978), says, _”For the law holds, that it is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.”_
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+Jordan Francique - I think it is a righteous duty for someone - who has had their life, liberty and inalienable rights stolen from them, wrongly imprisoned and name trashed so that he would always be looked at with suspicion for the rest of his life, impacting his ability to find work - to do something about it. To right the wrong, to clear his name.
I think it is unfair for the presenter to portray him as “bitter”, (she didn’t go through the ordeal and her name isn’t trashed for the rest of her life) as well as his fiancé who I suspect did not understanding his righteous anger. I bet if his fiancé showed a bit of understanding and willingness to help him clear his name he wouldn’t have been so ‘angry’.
There is something called righteous indignation and you can be angry without sinning. I believe he had just cause to have both. He was doing the right thing to try and right the wrong by using the very system that unjustly not only convicted him but ruined not only his present life but his future life as well.
@Benjamin Michaels Better a hundred guilty men go free than we imprison one innocent man. This is the basis of western justice.
Many bad things can happen to us in life. Yes it can affect us and make us take up drink and drugs. But I believe that its still a choice. Its easy to blame circumstances and therefore avoid responsiblitiy and fel less guilty about the mess we got ourselves into. Its hard to take a big measure of the blame oneself go introspective and see at which point we took a wrong turn when we could have summoned our internal strength and avoided it. And to ensure that we learn from our experience and be the better for it. Becoming bitter and resentful is also a choice. He made that choice and lost everything. Its sad really.
+Ameerali Abdeali - The only bad, _random_ thing that happened to Steve Titus was the initial sloppy and incompetent police work when he got pulled over for driving a car that "sort of resembled" the one reported by the rape victim.
From there on out it was a concerted effort of collusion and corruption in the criminal justice system, the police, the prosecuting attorney, those who coached the victim to make sure Titus was convicted at all costs, based solely on the victim's changed story.
Yes, he made a choice, and as I've said above, I believe it was the only duty-bound choice to make. To try to right the grievous wrong that was purposefully done to him. It is our duty to bring to light these injustices that show not only where the system is broken, but also the willful incompetence and corruption of those who have sworn a duty to uphold, protect and defend our inalienable rights.
Titus' inalienable rights were trashed, along with his life as well as his future life too. He would always be held in suspicion and his ability to find decent work severely hindered.
Our - your - rights do not and cannot stand for themselves, we - you - must stand for them. That is what Titus was attempting to do, not just for himself but for all of us. I do not find that to be the actions of someone who is bitter, righteously indignant, but not bitter. Unfortunately, it appears that he did not have the support he needed from his fiance or anyone else. I dare anyone to go through what Titus did and not have any support from loved ones and see how well their health fairs.
Because of all of the people before us, that were willfully and wrongly convicted, decided to take the easy way out and simply shrugged their shoulders and moved on, they failed to do their civic duty to stand upon and defend their inalienable rights against the corruption. That is why we now find ourselves losing them at alarming speed with little to no over-sight by the "people" and no accountability to those in the justice system who habitually abuse them.
Now days whenever someone tries to assert their rights, more often than not, the police officer 'cops' an attitude and purposefully goes about escalating the situation in order to make the person pay for asserting their rights. Why? Because the police feel that their authority (their ego) has been challenged. Why would that be? Because of the training that they are given. The system is rotten and it needs to be corrected and that can only happen when 'the people' do the difficult civic duty and stand up for their rights.
When I was in college I did a project for my psychology class, and the results of my project even surprised and shocked me!
With my professor's permission, I did my project during one of our classes. For my project, at approximately halfway through the one hour class, I had a friend of mine suddenly, and quite aggressively, run into the room and "steal" my purse that I had placed on my desk, which was located in the front row of the classroom. And, although my friend didn't say anything as she aggressively grabbed my purse and then quickly turned around and made her escape out of the same door she had just entered, I yelled just one word-"HEY!!!!!"
Well, immediately after my friend grabbed my purse and ran out the door, I handed a short one page questionnaire to every student (approx. 50 students) in the classroom that day. Most of the questions were about the physical description of the "thief". And, the rest of the questions focused on what they felt they saw happen. The answers that pertained to the physical description of my friend varied dramatically! My friend was as follows:
1. Gender--female
2. Height--5'7"
3. Weight--160 pounds
4. Clothes--She was wearing a black "hoodie", and blue jeans
5. She had shoulder length hair that was a very dark brown, and it could be seen quite well, despite the fact that she had pulled the hat of the hoodie up onto her head.
Most of the students said that she was a "he", who was anywhere from 5 feet tall to over 6 feet. She was said to weigh somewhere around 120 pounds to 200 pounds. She was also described as having red, dark blonde and even black color hair. And, with regards to what they described she was wearing, the answers once again were as varied as the answers in all of the previous questions. Oh, and when asked if they heard any sounds or words spoken during this incident, some stated that nothing was said, while others said they had "clearly" heard the "thief yell something to me.
So, after viewing all of the data I had garnered from my "Eyewitness" project, I came to the only conclusion that could be drawn from the overall results of my project--without a doubt, eyewitness accounts were unreliable and should never be accepted as any real type of "evidence" in a criminal trial. And, given those results, I truly have to wonder how many innocent people have been to, or are currently in prison based on any degree of "eyewitness accounts"...
nice story
Clever experiment, kudos for creativity.
It would be very interesting to see what they remember 1 year, 10 years, maybe even 36 years later.
Can’t remember when it happened, where it happened, if it was 2 or 4 men, how she got there or how she left. But Dr Ford can 100% perfectly remember it was Kavanaugh who groped her...
A classic is to ask a question with a "the" and an "a". For example, did you the the gun versus did you see a gun. Very different results.
I went to one of those "EST" like events when I was about 20. They had us recall childhood trauma. I recalled my sister almost dying in the hospital when she was an infant. I could even remember waiting in the hospital waiting room crying. Maybe 10 years later was talking about childhood and mentioned this to my father and sister. There was no such event. My sister had only been to the hospital for routine problems. I'd lived with a false memory for 10 years. I have other false memories in my head that I now know are false. And yet they are memories. It's truly bizarre.
I do have a false memory of seeing a UFO, hahaha! There was a fair when I was a child, right down the street and me and my cousins went further and there was a field which we saw the UFO. As soon as it landed, me and my cousins ran away in terror. The thing is... There was never a fair down the street, there was no reason to be any fair or party down there. I never asked, but sure they would call me crazy by saying that.
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The human mind is fascinating, don’t you think?
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I am now haunted by this vague feeling that as a child I saw Elizabeth Loftus in a mall, and she turned into a wolf and chased me until I fell into a fountain and nearly drowned. Anyone else have this feeling?
Feeling? Nah, that actually happened to me.
I am 60 years of age. About 10 years ago I started to mistrust my memory. Not things like appointments, when I lost my keys, but experiences that I think happened to me, how my memories changed. I have seen other things like this and am not surprised at all. Years ago, my wife and I both witnessed a motorbike accident. Our memories different in critical matters. We need to be VERY careful. I hear. 'I remember such and such a thing happening vividly'. I am often sceptical
This reminds me of a controversy that was just in the media. I wish I could remember what it was...
e g When you get older, the memory is the second thing to go. I wish I could recall what the first thing was.🤔
Where am I?
As my dear old father used to say: "What goat?"
I think you're thinking about that turtle that they made a wheelchair for out of Legos.
lmaoooo stoppppp
Such a humanist. This lady is a rare spirit indeed. I hope she stays strong.
Elisabeth I love and admire your work and dedication. And at the same time am appalled and disgusted by the in/justice system. The number of people that have been unjustly incarcerated pales when you think about those that were legally murdered for committing crimes they never did. So it is not an exaggeration to say you are a real saviour to so many. Thank you on their behalf.
Peter Faigl I could not agree with you more. God knows how many peoplewere jailed and legally murdered because of false eyewitness identification.
Peter Faigl I forgot about false confessions.
Sad that she refused to testify on behalf of science in the Demjanjuck case www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p238_Cobden.html
one reason more to abolish the medieval aberration of death penalty, all over the world.
She’s a horrifying person who makes her money being an expert witness, defending pedophiles, rapists and serial killers
eyewitness testimony shouldn't even be admissible in court. People who claim that they know exactly what they saw beyond a doubt, usually do not know what they saw because someone who actually remembered would have at least a few doubts. And people who have been raped are more prone to creating false memories because false memories serve to defend us from the horror of the unknown. If you can put a face on the abuser, it feels better than not knowing what the abuser looked like.
testimony is only useful for comparing against forensic evidence. and the person giving the testimony must know nothing of the forensic evidence for it to be useful.
many times the eye witness helps catch someone & it's the right person
Unless you know the person or have seen them around, it can't be trusted.
Patrick I think your first sentence is overly broad.
Memories are neither one hundred percent accurate nor one hundred percent inaccurate.
Eyewitness accounts can be used as a part of the puzzle, taking into account the understading of their limitations.
Elaborate. What meta-studies have you seen concerning what evidence leads to conviction that justify your position?
Why would anyone dislike this video? This is what happens to us on a daily basis, if we don't understand that our memeory is susceptible to error, as well as manipulation.
+Shandykidinkent Richmond There are people who will go against ANYTHING that helps better the human condition. And for some the only resistance possible is hitting the "dislike" button.
+Shandykidinkent Richmond People like to make their own hypothesis' :)
mYl Armuotas You both are right, people just want to impulsively "dislike" something that doesn't conform with their own beliefs. Apologies for not replying earlier, working on my Major in Sociology.
- James
It's their right to disagree after all.. And I'm sure there are other theories that have just as much evidence... The brain is still a big mystery... Then again, knowing the internet community they just disliked it because they felt like it....
- Bachelor in Psychology :)
mYl Woo someone in the Social Sciences I love it! I'm getting a Minor in Psychology, becoming a Occupational therapist for the VA. what do you specialize in if you don't mind me asking? I have a close friend who is a clinical psychologist.
- James
Her "research" also proves then: It is also very easy to convince victims of crime and abuse, that the abuse was consensual, or that it was the fault of the victim. An abuser or criminal has EVERYTHING to lose, if the victim is believed. Every single abuser/criminal ever, benefits from planting DOUBT, shame and blame into their victim's minds. And they attempt to do so.
I have noticed - even just in my own memories - that our memories are built out of pieces. When I think back to memories as a child, when I see my brothers, I see them as they are now, and hear the voices they have now, not that they had as children. Our mind stores bits of memories and when they are called up they are assembled like building a whole new object from a set of blueprints. It is not a perfect replica every time, it is just following a blueprint.
It is not hard to expand this to see that in truth those memories are built with several layers of blueprints. If one detail changes, the other blueprints that depend on that detail will change. Memory becomes easily corruptible if one thing is changed.
I have had dreams where I was back at the house I grew up in; a house I lived in for more then twenty years of my life. But my dream, being a dream, built the house wrong and showed it inaccurately. But yet now, when I try to think of that house, I see the details as they appeared in the dream. I can just barely see enough to understand that the memory is wrong, and if I work very hard I can see specific details that I know were not correct. But my mind still builds the false memory because I can see that one clearer than the true memory.
My experience , growing up in a dysfunctional home, where denial of truth of the environment and feelings was norm. Later as an adult When i confronted my parents about the abuse, they had a tendency to misremember and say it didn't happen... well it did and I'm spending my time healing and relearning and creating a healthy me, regardless if they had the memory...so sometimes people purposely forget but behavior of dysfunction eeks out in relationship and actions regardless of memory..
People tend to repress memories of things they did that they regret. I believe it's likely the memories are still there, they just refuse to come to terms with that. It's like when someone who drinks/uses all the time finally goes to AA or NA, they are basically forced to admit that they are addicts and will always be addicts, that's the hardest part for many of them. There is something innate that fights against that admission, it's like an admission of guilt or something. Almost like when you catch a small child red handed in wrong doing and they look at you and shake their heads like, what cha' lookin at me for? That urge to deny that we are flawed and can do wrong is strong and built into us at a very young age.
Just know you are not alone in your experience my friend..
This was fascinating! I love learning about memory. I know that my memories change. I've noticed old sparse memories getting filled in when I learn more details, or being sure of a memory only to have it thrown completely into doubt when someone else presents a conflicting memory.
As I kid I had a friend who I would ask "Hey, do you remember when [x] happened?" And [x] would be an event changed by erroneous details, or even a completely fabricated event. In many cases he would brighten up and remember [x], often quite vividly. This was obviously much more likely to happen when it was a real event with fudged details, but... still. It instilled in me a distrust in human memory. I did wonder if he was actually remembering these false events or just claiming he did so as to better fit in, but over the years I've seen other people try this trick on me and others. Either your mind latches onto [x] and assembles a memory out of other unrelated memories, or you pretend you remember it because you feel it's expected to, or (much less often) you call them on their bullshit. But it's a safe stunt to pull, generally. Keep an eye out for it.
I'll typically do the last two
Once I was looking for my neckless everywhere and couldn’t find it. I went through everything, trying to remember when did I hold it last in my hand, and I was trying to picture the situation when I put it away. Heaps of different ideas crossed my mind, the entire content of my wardrobe was thrown in a pile at the middle of the room... Every corner checked...
Finally, I totally convinced myself, that I took it off on my way back home about a month ago, and put it in the inside packet of a jacket of mine which I gave away to charity the other day. I could literally remember myself doing it... but obviously I didn’t, because it was in the drawer at my workplace....
It is indeed scary what our brains are capable of doing.
I love how she is passionate about her line of work and it is very evident in her presentation.
I have memories that are my own, meaning that I know they are mine because I was alone and no one convinced me of the activity or event. Some of my memories are the kind of memories that no one would corroborate because of the embarrassment it would cause them. I also have "memories" of things that were put there by people who told me the story over and over and I would not know about it without the input of others.
Wow! Fantastic talk. We need more scientists like this in the field of psychology. What a brave powerhouse.
We need more people like this out spreading this message. I am dealing with this on 2 fronts right now and it totally sucks. If you suspect a memory issues with friends or spouse, first have yourself checked out (which is what i did) and if it appears you are not the problem do not hesitate telling your friends or family that they may have issues and to get checked out. Executive function is nothing to mess around with.
We cannot reliably distinguish false memories. We need independent corroboration.
My memory used to be well enough that i could tell you everything going on around me for that memory. Now i struggle to remember how to finish sentences. Most times i try remember logical details that logically must have happened to support my version of events. Like growing up, my brother would often think i did this funny thing at a party, but i was always working on weekends and only called out twice during that period of time, one for a wedding, and another for a birthday neither of which he went to. So if i mist hsve been working, then i couldnt have been with him at those parties to do those things. It isnt even possible.
Or so you think...
Yeap, it's why I keep my diary and notes, so the important stuffs do not get muddled over time. Never trust humans, not even yourself.
Pointing out the need for corroboration in the case against Brett Kavanaugh. 100% sure from something that happened under stress 36 years ago shouldn’t be accepted as pure memory.
👍( gas lighting)
This is the reason I love video and photo recording. We can relive the experiences we may have forgotten or have become ambiguous in our minds.
I left a comment on a teacher at a previous school I went to and the police got in touch with me because this particular teacher was being accused of sexual assault by another former pupil.
The police were extremely careful in not giving me leading questions.
When I read in the press what this teacher was accused of I had two very significant memories of the teacher however this was only triggered by what I had read about the case.
So I have seen first hand how unreliable memory is.
I think its how we individually perceive things. For instance, a teacher can be really friendly and touchy with students and you'll think nothing of it because hey, its just their personality. Then they get accused of sexual assault and you go back on your memories and think "Well maybe they were a predator rather than just friendly".
I was in a holdup when I was 15 and while we were waiting for the police, the other worker (who interacted with the guy) and I pieced together what we had noticed about him. I was truly embarrassed by how much I couldn't remember or remembered incorrectly.
What a brilliant talk! I listen to a Podcast called "The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe" and they often talk about these issues (faulty memory and scientists being sued to stop them from speaking out). Two of the biggest problems facing us. The perversion of truth (mostly inadvertently but sometimes intentionally) and the suppression of truth. Keep on Speaking out, Dr. Loftus and SGU!
What a wonderful realisation for anybody who feels unhappy for some reason(s)!
We CAN CHOOSE what we (want to) BELIEVE (e.g. because it's good for us and for other people), we can reprogram our memory. Unhappy childhood can be cured.
Why isn't this video being spread far and wide?
That is exactly what I would like to know. Democrats dont want the populace to see it.
might be the shrill tone
Her voice might make some people deaf
Because its about abuse and ted supports hillary
It's about wrongly accused of something because of false memories. Hillary has nothing to do with it. Do you have a comprehension problem or are you just a dumbass?
This is very powerful, the mind is tricking us by what ever reason. I wonder if there is a connection with the feelings that are involved? The feelings keeping the story's a live and change the story's the way to protect the core feeling of the event.
When you change the feelings the story changes too.
Psychologist Elizabeth Loftus is a well-known expert in false memories. I have a 1981 textbook she co-wrote in college psychology.
Her work is amazing, and it is even expended upon in the field of neuroscience. Memory is not about what happened, but rather about what is the most probable that has happened. We have predictive and associative brains, not factual and logical ones. It's pretty scary and awesome at the same time.
@Itzcali liliana I don't have to discredit the idea of repressed memories, the idea has to prove itself. There has to be replicable evidence that repressed memories exist and the ways to access them are reliable.
At the same time there is ample of evidence that you can plant false memories in someone's brain, so you have to take that into account as well.
As with everything in science, there is a lot of nuance here and neither side is probably completely correct. It is possible and documented for people to have memory loss after an intense trauma, which would be interpreted as repressed memories. It is equally possible and documented that careless therapists actually talk their patients into the conviction that they have been abused by their parent and that that causes their hardship, while this has factually not happened at all. The brain is very susceptible to suggestion.
It is, however, far more likely that things are just forgotten naturally, even if they did truly happened, and that recalling them during sessions only further restricts the patient recalling them. In this case there are not unconscious memories, the brain has just learned to interact with the world in a certain way, and being aware any trauma that happened isn't going to help with dealing with that.
Is a well know abuser defender, Ted Bundy, Havey Weinstein, Jefrey Epstein, Bill Cosby are just a few she defend, she´s so unetical
I really admire this very special professor, Elizabeth Loftus, for her incredible curiosity and perseverance. I don't think "false memory" will cater to the majority's interest or appreciation, but she still hangs in there. Way to go! A 100% real scientist!
Her opening story about the guy is so sad :(
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This study is so cool! we looked at it during my IB psychology class and ill hopefully be able to use it later on. Thanks Elizabeth :)
I read a story at one point and I loved it completely. I still even gushed about how well developed my favourite scene was. Later on, I reread the story (which was just as I remembered) and once I reached my favourite scene I found out it was nothing like I remembered. The scene didn't have any substance and made no sense. Then I remembered something else; I hated that one scene so much that I rewrote it in my head. I changed it to fit the narrative better and provide some much needed closure. I'd previously spent a lot of time thinking about how that one scene could've been better that when recalling the story I thought the scene actually happened.
Great talk which proves that nobody is errorless and calls us to be more human. I will remember it.
I was given a self-help book years ago which suggested that, even if you only think you might have been abused, you certainly were. You should indulge that belief, dive into it, bring up all the repressed memories which you must have. If you don't find any, dive deeper until you do. No matter that everyone around you says it didn't happen and there's no evidence for it, you have to believe you're a victim of abuse or your life won't improve. The whole concept terrified me.
Every thinking person should see this talk & understand the concept of false memory
I enjoy your work. I have for the past 29 years done many backpacking/hiking trips 5-6 times a year with two dear friends. More than once two of us will be sharing a poignant memory of a particular event or trip when the other one will say, “Hey! Are you sure you are not collaging from trip x, y or z?” or “ I have no idea what you guys are talking about!”. All humor aside, I am grateful for the work you do and am sorry for all the flak a forward thinker like yourself has to endure.
You, Ma'am, are a hero, and more needed now than ever!
I'd like to see a similar study on the relationships between nostalgia and pessimistic attitudes.
Sometimes when I look back on experiences, what I feel depends on my current mood or attitude.
I might look back at a past relationship or experience with a substance, forgetting either the good parts or the bad parts depending on how I'm feeling at the time.
I wonder if there is a correlation.
Brilliant woman. Brilliant presentation.
It's kind of comforting to me that my memory isn't actually bad, and it's probably okay that I don't remember a lot of the faces I see, even the people I talk to.
brilliant work and so morally right. She sounds out of breathe bless her.
So it's possible to shift my negative thoughts that triggered due to a event a few years back which inherently turned into a habit of self put down into positive thoughts by being induced to believe that something else occurred? I need a psychiatrist or therapist....this is gold... I'm learning this in my first year of English @ junior college
Yeah sure, that is what therapy is partially about. Accepting the past as it is, as you realise you made unsmart decisions and accept them. You turn the feel of sourness and bitterness of crushing defeat into something useful. You begin to learn from EXPERIENCE - the bad ones.
The second part is about remembering your victories. Your successes and how you achieved them.
This video has good information. I dissagree with implanting traumatic false memories in people as an experiment. Especially the possession one. Why would they use such memories that can mess a person up for an experiment? Yet later say it also works with good memories.
So true, we are naturally social beings, moreover when we've experienced something.
Understandably, we crave for help, protection and group acknowledgement. This makes us susceptible to suggestions and find comfort when others chime in. Worst, the more people who want to help, the more convulted memory turns.
Absolutely brilliant. Faulty memory or memory/stories shaped/dictated/suggested by police interview's leading question ("is this the person...?") can lead to devastating consequences for the defendant. "Suggestive information" can warp justice. Everyone should watch this.
Shouldn't this video be getting more views now?
I think its incredibly relevant right now. I think everyone should view it and think.
I think there's a whole lot of evidence that politics was involved. With such a weak case with no evidence from 36 years ago that literally all the witnesses said didn't take place, I don't think such a thing ever would have been brought to the Senate hearing under normal circumstances. This seems like grasping for straws in an effort to delay the confirmation.
I think you need to read more sources before summing up the case like that. You're pretty much spouting GOP talking points there. I'm certainly not saying that the Dems are 100% trustworthy either, but "literally all the witnesses said didn't take place" is completely false.
Also, while I don't think that anyone ougth to be convicted for a crime with weak to non existent evidence, I think that misrepresenting and lying under oath, losing ones temper that easily, and being extremely openly partisan, ought to be disqualifying behavior.
Name one witness other than Ford who corroborates any part of her story at all. I’ll wait right here.
@@scubamanbrian1518 They said they had no memory of it, not that it didn't happen. Describe a party you attended in the summer of 1982. I'll wait right here.
This woman has done a great service to the world with her research. Thank you, Ms. Loftus.
You mean disservice to many, many victims!
A fantastic service indeed… for satanic pedophile cults.
Dealing with a loved one currently in jail convicted falsely and first-hand knowledge revealing tons of people are convicted by our judicial system or forced to sign guilty pleas for things never committed, this makes my heart heavy, very heavy. So many innocent lives are damaged or destroyed, and regular people are unaware.
I know there are people with photographic memories but in these kinds of situations you need to be paying full attention and usually people don’t have enough time to process exactly what is happening for their testimony to be deemed reliable. I feel really sad for Titus...his life was destroyed because of false eye-witness testimonies, but goodness knows how many other lives have been ruined due to the same circumstance. I’m grateful to Elizabeth Loftus for persevering with her work in this field, despite people trying to sue her!! I guess if you’re convinced something awful has happened to you during or as a consequence of therapy (even though it really didn’t) then being disbelieved must feel terrible and therapists are surely accountable, but yeah, it’s definitely a grey area!
This was absolutely worth my time! I agree in every matter. But I would like to see some investigation about planting *happy* false memories. I suspect that happy memories are more difficult to plant, since people overrate their misery and sadness, and happy moments are usually just forgotten. Anyway, I like this trend of research very much! Hope to work with it sometime! :)
I don't know it it's overrating, but what I know from my basic neuroscience knowledge is that our brain saves negative experiences "stronger". It's a mechanism so we protect ourselves better to not make or allow the same experiences over and over. On the other side traumatic experiences are moved to the subconscious for the purpose of not going insane. And now stop with your Inception world domination schemes :)
Shame on me! My plan was discovered! :P :)
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Her "ethical arguments" were very bad to be honest. I agree that the ends justify the means, and that this is good research, but her argument about parents do X, therefore X is good, etc., was just bad.
We just watched most of this video in my psychology class (im a philosophy major) and I'm just sitting there thinking like, jeez, just stop.
Well, Justin... I would like to hear a bit more from you about why this video is bad. I saw it 8 months ago and really don't remember the details. If you are willing to discuss (and I bet you are, since you are a major in philosophy) I would gladly watch it again and discuss it with you. But by my own comment, I believe there is something we strongly disagree about this video, since (apparently) I never thought "jeez, just stop". Anyway, I also don't agree with the "X parenting" observation (and I don't remember it this way), which makes me wonder what difference would it make to you to watch this video until the end instead of most of it. I have no formal instruction in philosophy (I'm a physicist with major in computer science), but I have some friend philosophers whom I use to have some beers and discuss about everything. I also had a psychologist who always told me I should have been a psychologist, not a physicist. Well, I guess our talk would be fun.
That wasn't really her argument at all, her argument was to the person that said they shouldn't do it because it requires parents to lie to their kids, and she replied with a picture of santa, which is true, parents like to their kids alot, in many ways.
This is incredibly eye opening.
I've known this for a while. And it just sickens me of how many innocent people are likely in jail due to this. Evidence needs to stack up. And juries don't want to be there and usually are uneducated especially on scientific and critical thinking. Our system is no good and was invented 100's if not 1000's of years ago. Very saddening indeed.
What a fabulous lecture. As a former $cientologist who dealt with hearing all sorts of wacky "memories" from Hubbard and followers, this explains a lot.
This is fascinating. I'm glad I found this vid. I just learned about Elizabeth Loftus in Psychology class.
what a great scientist! We need more like her!
This makes me feel like I have a lot of false memories from my childhood.
It was great to say at the end: "Memory - like liberty - is a fragile thing"! Need to remember!)
This is so interesting. And on top of all the media that is watched and movies, TV, etc. And books that are read. Surely factors like such "daily" events as these even have influence on our memories.
14:12 -- Man, she is the real life version of Leo DiCaprio in INCEPTION, "implanting false memories"...
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@@johnv6759 Eh it has Inception energy tho
Who has the expertise to tell me that my own memories are false?
It’s also widely known and accepted that in severe trauma, a common thing our brains do is dissociate. The event goes in your subconscious and often will later come out for varying reasons. This talk is not addressing that. She has testified over 300 times for the defendant in sexual abuse cases, and basically denies that dissociative amnesia is real, yet says she knows it’s very real in some of her publications.
@@blakelarsen3743 Yes she admitted to recalling a repressed memory in her book. How would she know if my memories are different than how the incidents occurred?
Very inspirational, emotional and educational as I learned so much about eye witness testimony from this video.
This was very very moving. I had no idea of such a work.
This woman is a courageous defender of truth. lots of love!
Very powerful, thank you Elizabeth, good job.
i found her through Weiten's psychology book chapter about memory and then i recognizes she was also featured in Brain games episode about false memory. trully legend
WoW... amazing and breathtaking, such a revelation
Memory is such an amazing and vast field of study. You go girl! 📖
So this is why so many people (me included) thought that Walkers Cheese and Onion crisps used to be in a green packet not a blue one.
no, what youre referring to is a thing called the mandela effect. look into it, its quite a conspiracy.
walkers Spring onion Crisps were/are in a light green packet and used to be much more popular xx
People who know me well, if they are truthful (I am quite selective of whom I call "Friend") will ALL give me this one benefit - I give credit where it is due - and for years that could swing in diametrically opposed - Both ways, to get to the point. Recently I find myself often critical rather than complimentary of the actions of my fellow humans - actions of course which to me were in some way remarkable. THIS is NOT resulting from any cynical attitude nor some misconstructed egotistical conceit, but rather, I think, the idea that good deeds, regardless of magnitude, stand up for themselves and do not require as much attention as those which are reprehensible. THIS woman, E. Loftus - (Bless Her) reminds me, not fast enough that I am so inaccurate in my presumption. Not the leastwise is the fact that it is coinciding with a similar event I experienced just 3 days ago prior to my writing this post. No I was not accused of raping, killing, or worse... I was sitting in a city park with 2 good friends - who know well what my faults are - I know them too, and I am accepting of them. I AIM to be a good person. Yes I sometimes screw up, and when I do - I have what I think is good reason...I will admit when I am wrong - IF I feel so in my CORE. ...So when a woman whom I have NEVER met before walking her dog, approached us and began a friendly discourse - suddenly, with no provocation, claimed that she had met me last week when I seriously insulted her, by telling her that her cigarette smoking was an offence to the air decent people breathe...(Triggered by my lighting up one...) ...She became quite irate, and in spite of my assurance that what she was saying was virtually impossible in my nature, nor my Memory - which has not yet malfunctioned as described in this vid... - that she had me confused with someone else, and even the confirmation of my friends, who know me well - and the fact that this woman is NEW to the neighbourhood, and talks to everyone she meets (Approx 55 yo - possibly drinks a lot, from my guess) Was all in vain. She began shouting at me CERTAIN of her conviction that I was her offender - Her son died of lung cancer, being a main fortification of her absolute conviction of MY guilt...My feeling and point here is that there is a SERIOUS flaw, in the way most people evaluate reality and the world in which we live. This could happen to ANYONE at ANY time, for almost ANY REASON. It is REASON which is floundering, and giving way to IRRATIONAL thought paradigms, when our current society can LEAST afford to lose it. Particularly when irrationality is sanctioned yet unacceptable component of our FORENSIC process(Dis) ease...
Very interesting, thank you for sharing it with us. Makes you think
I think I have OCD and I think my mind makes up stuff that never happened in the past making some memories worse than they actually were, or making up memories completely.
I feel this too. About a month ago, I did a barely visible scratch on my car. I was really upset about this. Then I went on a trip for a few days and kept thinking about it and stressing over it a lot. I would constantly try to remember the scratch and each time I remembered a bigger scratch. When I got back from the trip and finally saw my car again, the scratch was so hard to find and so small it made me feel like something was wrong with my memory!
What an incredible, brave, intelligent woman! She's exactly the kind of woman who some people would accuse of being too "ambitious," "aggressive," or "unpleasant." But look at what she's accomplished and the information she's added to humanity's collective knowledge!
Elizabeth Loftus i'm your biggest fan, first time i read about you in my general psychology book i never stopped quoting you to my friends. they hate you but i love you.seeing this ted in the racommanded made me incredibly happy thank you
Excellent. Thanks Elizabeth!
This really makes me think about how many of my childhood memories are actually accurate..
Who else is watching this for their psychology class?
me
You remember me the "Inception" movie. Thank you for explain so well!
Great information that can certainly be used for good also !
I hope that Mrs. Loftus is listened to. I positively know a person who has been to therapists who (willingly or by accident) implanted her false memory - she remembers events that by proof never have taken place. I can tell how unpleasant it is when in severe points subjective memory is altered.
This has been accepted science for a LONG TIME. And the whole satanic cult thing was going on far more in the 1980s than the 1990s.
If you research the Titus case, there's a case to be made that police just wanted a perp, they found *someone, so let's put him in jail.
blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/what-experts-wish-you-knew-about-false-memories/
This came out in 2016, so it's still controversial and more accepted by clinicians than actual research psychologists.
BTW, she's Dr Loftus
I would love to have her ethics board....
Thanks Dr. Loftus. You saved my study. I never understand this before. BUt now I get an Idea what I need to write on my exam. Books is way too complicated.
Fantastic . This must be read over to our judges.
Excellent food for thought as I head to the courtroom to be a witness.
you can read the LA Times article “Did Daddy Really Do It?” on the case of Marilyn Van Derbur for an alternative perspective on this, worth nothing how many times Loftus has been an expert witness for abusers and that she gave presumably this exact talk at TEDxCIA
great speak. It opened my mind..
Awesome and insightful. Got to know about its existence from a video of The Behavior Panel. I'm glad I checked it out.
Did she win the court case after and was the accused mother actually innocent?
Pretty late to reply but might as well:
Regarding the court case (Taus v. Loftus), Loftus mostly won. 21 causes of action, 20 dismissed as SLAPP (sue until they give up, not because you are right), last one valid. Taus had to choose between dropping the case or facing hundreds of thousands in losses (went with the former obviously, had to pay for the legal fees), Loftus's insurance paid several thousand in nuisance fees because of that one infraction (Loftus claimed to be someone she wasn't when interviewing the Taus's foster-mom).
Regarding the accused mother (Jane Doe Case), initial verdict put the bio-mother as guilty and as a result she lost the custody battle. After the case was done and the results published, Loftus's later investigation added that there was quite a bit of argument (including accusation of sexual abuse) during the parents' separation and suggests the father and step-mother indoctrinated the daughter (possibly unintentionally) to believe she had been sexually abused by the bio-mother. Ultimately the bio-mother was concluded as innocent but by that point in time the decision was made and the damage was done long ago (and even if she had won, the indoctrination would have the daughter favor the father instead anyways).
“The idea put forth by Elizabeth Loftus and other FMSF supporters that repressed memories are a kooky made-up phenomenon too out-there to be real.
In Loftus’s book, The Myth of Repressed Memory, she writes:
“I don’t question the fact that memories can come back spontaneously, that details can be forgotten, or even that memories of abuse can be triggered by various cues many years later.”
Based on well-known literature by both trauma experts and survivors, the above is a fairly sound description of repressed memory. It’s hard to understand, then, Loftus’s insistence that repressed memory is a myth.
That is because Loftus’s definition of repressed memory is not derived from trauma experts or survivors, but rather from the population that she is steeped in: Alleged perpetrators.
The accounts given to Loftus, as detailed in her book, describe repressed abuse memories as shocking, bizarre, out of sync with reality, delusional and entirely baseless - according to the accused.
Allowing alleged incest perpetrators to define repressed memory is like allowing Harvey Weinstein to define sexual trauma. Abusers have been calling their victims crazy since the dawn of time. Loftus lent authority to that diagnosis.”
Tengo un ramo donde mencionaron esta charla respecto al carácter sugestional de los recuerdos; también de lo trascendente que es cuestionar las cosas y someterlas a análisis. Sobre todo en los discursos con una alta carga emocional, que tienden a hacernos más susceptibles a creer.
I just listened to a radio show on CBC Radio about the science behind implanting false memories. That is what brought me here. This happens all the time. I've even witnessed this where my friends will attribute certain musings to me, when I in fact know I did not say these things because I don't think in a way that would support such statements. Or maybe I was drunk when I said those things. Who knows, maybe I have the false memory of those interactions.
Dr. Loftus should be all over the news right now. This is gold!
I believe what she did is good work. However I found it very inconsistent when she discussed about repercussion of planting false memories. When defending her own experiment technique she said 'it's temporary discomfort that some of the subjects might experience...' and later said there is a long lasting repercussion effect from false negative memories. If it's her value that those scientific studies out-weigh the negative utility caused by the study, I'm perfectly fine with that. However I don't like how her choice of words decreased perceived damage by planting false memories as a study method.
WHEN I WAS little (under 5) i didnt know about lying, so many times i remember my mom getting upset about something, my brother telling her that I did it, and my mom lecturing me, as I would sit there being klectured, id try to remember when I had done this bad thing, imaging myself doing it and then thinking, "why did i do that? what a horrible person i am, I knew better and did it anyways?" id be so confused.
20 years later during a family get together, my brother starts laughing about how when we were kids, he'd break or piss on something and then blame me. Then suddenly I understood that i never was that horrible child that couldnt ever do anything right, i realized he was that horrible child and i was a perfect angel.
Wow I love this speech I can't get out of it
well, looks like I finally have a favourite TED talk
When you put a person onto a situation where they are expecting to be misled, they tend to try harder not to be. In turn, this inhibits their respective perception of actual events. Only a true instance of misinformation can be studied. Just another example of the complexity of human understanding.
I'm not sure they were thinking they were being misled, many of the psychology studies I've known-of were using misdirection in some form or another.
Our understanding does seem complex.
it's worthed for every minute you've spend to watch, thank you
Agreed. Memory is so fragile, I`ve come up with some that never, ever, occurred.