Of course it does but I envy women more than men because of society's stupidity. Society thinks they are incapable of doing anything in life but I am the complete opposite, they are capable of doing anything even committing crimes. Society including myself have a lot to answer for to punish female perpetrators proper punishments because we as a human race are not setting a good example.
BBC's Call You and Yours did a similar discussion in 2017 and the male caller wondered whether a lot of women because they have been harassed go on to harass others even their own gender as a form of revenge. I say yes, same with male perpetrators.
Interesting Insight episode filmed in Australia about children of prisoners, what is it like being an under eighteen year old whose parents (mother or father or both) are in jail.
Why are sexual harassment debates (almost always) framed as if women are the only people who can experience it? I know that men are more often than not the ones doing the harassing, but that doesn't really justify framing the "Sexual Harassment in the Workplace" argument as if it's a given that the woman is the victim.
The feminist keeps on talking about violence against women. I thought the debate was supposed to be about sexual harassment? She's changing the topic to suit her own theories and beliefs.
she get's a thousand yard stare whenever someone talks about something she wants tot talk about. like she is part of a different conversation. in her midn she is probably making good talking points.
Sathrandur Because it's known that feminists don't marry. Male and female feminists alike. In conclusion, every unmarried person is, in fact, a feminist.
Why is it the host continues to cut off Joanna while allowing barnyard to ramble off the same talking points over and over. She said the same thing multiple times.
Can anyone tell me why women get away with harassment? I envy them more than men because of society's stupidity. I respect them but when they abuse it, society tends to think it is ok instead of taking action.
These ch4 'debates' could use more time, even if off-air; extra time exclusive to the internet or something. News debates aren't really debates if they are
do these ppl really think guys gets off touching a knee?, to me is touching a knee one step under putting your arm around someone, it's to show "i'm here and i'm listening to what you have to say", not "yep, got ya knee, i own you now, deal with it". we live in a truely sad world if simple gestures of showing interest in someone is mistaken for sexual harassment...
Joanna Williams, and Dame Ann Leslie did a good job in this video. They are very much right. How can we compare arm touching to being groped? There is a huge gap there.
I've noticed a pattern in stalker/ sexual harrassing men who- once they know a beautiful woman has rejected them, become hostile, stalk them calling them names and putting their looks down trying to get the woman to believe the man is in their league. Its abuse and its wrong- this is where it gets scary and rape can happen.
I thought the video was suppose to be about sexual harassment not sexual assault (rape) touching someone’s thigh without their consent is inappropriate behavior and should not be tolerated, those 2 women are saying women should just suck it up if they’re touched without consent, because “i got touched and i live, so you should too”. how about working towards a more civilized society where people have respect for others and don’t touch others inappropriately without their consent. no touching a hand is not rape, still doesn’t make inappropriate touching without consent ok. and women being strong doesn’t mean they should tolerate inappropriate touching without consent, it’s just basic respect you should not inappropriately touch others without consent
I think she is literally being belittled everything she's saying is being ran over as being if a teacherwinks at a student that is sexual harassment I don't care what you say because of the end of the day that is a child
Sexual abuse is not a crime with preset sex rôles. As an hermaphrodite who has suffered extreme violation in this area, who has close male colleagues who have likewise suffered such abuses at the hands of women & men, I can testify firsthand to the fallacy of the belief that sexual crimes are only committed by men against women. Women abuse men & boys & those like me of the 3rd sex, & so on & forth. Statistical data on this issue is hard to come by in accurate form, as victims of all sexes underreport; However there are many reasons to suspect that the abuse rates by & of men, women, & hermaphrodites, are approximately equal; Avaible data actually tends to put people of my sex at the number 1 place of abuse in this area, above women in number of victims. But regardless of the proportions, the fact remains that this is a human problem, not a gendered problem; & that is the main problem with this modern feminist school of thought with its falsely staggered graduations of victims' importance.
For me to put my hands on a woman's body wherever that may be at my free will, and to think that women would not do anything about it, is completely absurd. This type of behaviour is not common, at least not today. This just makes men look evil and is a complete exaggeration. As a man, I'm tired of you women thinking that we're a bunch of brutes and rapists.
This whole issue in Westminster is rather insidious it came out of nowhere, basically after the Hollywood scandal media realised that this kind of thing could be weaponised and boy have they done a great job. Problems in Hollywood and parliament are unique to these small places and do not represent real world human to human contacts and so to opportunistically extrapolate this to the general public is truly the height of moral panic. Yes there is a problem but nothing quite common sense solutions could solve like no alcohol on the premises for starters. This feminist has nothing of any substance to say, I was once pretty pro woman via feminism at least I had a sympathy for this type of world view but it has morphed into quite a puritanical and joyless movement that is actually pretty dangerous for all parts of society. Brendan O'Neil is correct that the first wave of feminists would be rolling in their graves with what this fourth wave are up to, they are bonkers. Interesting article by Laura Perrins conservative journalist has described this as some form of coup, read it and see if you agree, I think she is onto something. It is fair to say that strange things are happening in Westminster, common purpose uk coming out of the shadows but not many people have broken out of this brainwashed mindset. A mad world.
I don't see that many men have much power these days. although, of course, there are a lot of awful men among groups who weld all the power, along with a lot of awful women. Sexism does go both ways. Labelling all men as toxic is not the answer and is indeed sexist. Disempowering men only creates bitterness and anger, and we should know where those feelings can lead. A lot of violence comes from young men feeling powerless. No, women alone will not change the world. We should all change the world together but that will require putting aside ideology and division and respecting every person as a sacred being with limitless potential. Otherwise I fear those men and women welding the power and leading us on a merry dance will change it for us, as, indeed, they are well on the path to doing.In case you haven't noticed , they have been doing their utmost for decades to push their bleak bland vision on us all culminating in the disastrous dismantling of democracy over the past 3+ years. Stand up to them young feminist if you want to make the world safer. Do you not realise that the recent abuse levelled at citizens (and in particular at children) by governments was carried out quite happily by both men and women. Instead of blaming fellow powerless individuals and incentivising victimhood we need to arm people with the tools to be assertive and courageous...and to be able to cut through the BS and recognise propoganda
Two of the women base their opinions on personal experience, but the feminist bases her opinions on 'statistics'. That's why the feminist just regurgitated ideology, whereas the other women offered good advice.
Generally, statistics are a better thing to rely on than personal experience, as personal experience varies so immensely. However, when these statistics are based on extremely flawed data, and used as holy truths, this is far worse.
AWResistance let's make equal we should if a woman hits a guy a guy should be able to hit her back no more gentlemen B'S if television host that women scream at some sexy man to take his shirt off and all that she would be booted off the air ect... and the wage gap is a joke every woman in the same position makes the same hourly rate all feminism is now a days is a graet big censorship to everyone's rights facts and opinions but their own
Joanna Williams methodically pulls apart the feminist nonsense with rational argument. Nice to see the feminist outnumbered for a change too. Normally they get some whacky old guy surrounded by raging man haters, including the interviewer.
Nice to see some realistic women here. But... 6:05 I like to learn from women, what to do in interacting with them. Can I conclude it is ok, even 'wonderful', to put out a sigaret on a woman's arm if she makes stupid jokes about me? Keep your own behavior in perspective as well, ladies.
We are all one society, which has existed for thousands of years and there have always been certain rules that governed the life of society. I believe that by the 21st century humanity has developed enough to speak about the equality of everyone and everything (which in fact has never been and never will be), and what is happening now, in my opinion, separates us-miserable political squabbles in developed countries between left LGBT people and feminist communities and "patriarchy with its traditional values and stegmatic male behavior" while our planet and people are in third world countries really suffer. Do you really not understand that we are all PEOPLE-living biological organisms and no more. Throughout history, each generation (men, women) has performed certain actions from time to time including: vulgar jokes , had a variety of fetishes, killed, gave birth, etc. So what will the "innocent children" do after a few years. But we have religion, ideology, values, in a word, culture. And I'm afraid that in the future we will educate the generation on these radical harassment ideas and posters I've seen for Beating the search in the search engine, aggressive and personal to the address of men. Society has always adapted, always. Whatever we live, but I worry about the era of a totalitarian left ideology. In general, Galaad is the opposite)
I seen on television shows where women are screaming to muscular men woo take it off and it's ok but let one of us men say that and that was on just about every show that women are the host so congrats u can sexual harassment to guys but guys can't say hey your cute congrats
This panel is a farce, it's really simple. If you wouldn't do it to a male co worker don't do it to a woman. It's about respect not treating women like dolls.
Feminism is a farce, there was a Feminist who went on the Victoria Derbyshire program to give her "sexual harassment" account and she said she was once by a male colleague that he had two tickets to go to the theatre on Friday and was asked if she wanted to come.
Kat's right the woman should be the one to approach the man, show interest in the man and ask the man on a date. Then the man would not have to do the approach and risk 'being a rapist'. After 6 million years of men doing all the work we need some equality. The women need to sort this out. Get off your lazy arses take the initiative.
James Grey Yeah, some equality would be nice right about now. I have a generally scary manner because I'm tall and don't typically show much emotion on my face, so the last time I tried talking to a woman at a bar she reeled back in shock clutching her belongings to her. I mean, can I just not get treated like a fucking boogeyman?
So what you are saying is that women should sexually harass men. What I mean by that is that if a man shows interest in a woman, that is, by feminists, perceived as sexual harassment so if the roles are reversed the harassment is still there but this time instigated by women.
Both sexes need to improve how we act around sex, we've all got to get better at talking about sex, asking for consent and making clear whether something is okay. Understanding the different types of relationships (sexual and non sexual) We all have throughout our lives and what is appropriate in different circumstances. If you're not sure ask, or keep your hands to yourself.
Men, never ever talk to a woman unless it is absolutely necessary such as to conduct a commercial transaction or to accomplish a work-related task. Do not initiate a conversation with a woman in a social situation. If a woman talks to you first in a social situation, you then may speak to her, but don't assume that you can initiate future conversations with her. Do not ask women on dates. Ever. Date women only through third party introductions such as mutual friends i.e. blind dates, or through dating services. Do your best to never look at a woman for any reason. Wear sunglasses. All of these things can be interpreted by a woman as sexual harassment.
Hi. I don't like sex. At all. The problem with lumping all men into a monolith and saying that society has taught them all that they could have sex whenever is that when one guy says "not only do I not like sex, but I want to do whatever my beloved wants" it shatters the lie you are trying to make. I don't want to do anything my beloved doesn't want. She has done so much for me even though I am very nervous through all of it. I've dated her for nearly five years and I've only recently become comfortable starting a kiss without asking first. At her behest. I went to public school. I live in the fifth most populous city in the United States, Phoenix, Arizona. On this little pebble of ours, we all must coexist as peacefully as possible. We can't demonize entire demographics because they happened to be born "wrong." I'm so sorry I was born a straight white cis male. But unfortunately, I can't change that fact, now can I?
The middle-aged women at the factory where I worked as a young man, who pinched my behind and laughed, were sexual harassing me and I should somehow be traumatised and blame all women.
Harassment can happen to anybody regardless of gender, ethnicity, etc. I am getting the feeling now that women want superior rights, not equal rights but I can guarantee that it will backfire on them. You made a decision, you suffer the consequence. I think society is just as bad as the perpetrators. Favouring women's rights over human rights. Human rights to me means male and female regardless of age, ethnicity, able, less able, etc.
Kat Baynard has a strange blank emotionless expression. Her rote repeated lines seem like an NPC. What I'm waiting for feminist explanation about how the human mating rituals are supposed to work. Dame Ann Leslie has the wisdom of years, but don't expect any sympathy for men from a feminist.
This is getting rather tedious and over stated I believe. Woman use their sex to their advantage and in most cases are strong enough to stand their ground. I do fully understand though the threats from immigrants who come from a different culture and that’s a major issue in itself.
th-cam.com/video/PAmPikBGnt4/w-d-xo.html Look at the blonde womans face. It's oh we're going through this line of speaking, you bore me. Even other women start to tune you out. Or maybe just frustration. I don't know.
I remember that time my dad took me to my first patriarchy meet up, and the joy when we learned how we were entitled to women's bodies. Not to mention how empowering it felt to learn about how we keep women in fear through the genius employment of rape culture. Or how we can control women through the power of gaze. Those were the days. Such a shame we have to increase security every year to combat all those meddling feminists.
You are not entitled to a woman's body. It is not empowering to keep a woman in fear through rape culture. It is disgusting and vile. Nor can you control women through gaze. It has been four years since you wrote this comment. I hope, for the sake of everything, that you have become less ignorant.
@@ummkhawlahh I will assume you're just a kid, because if you're not... 0Ooh boy, you're a nutcase. There has never been such a thing as a patriarchy meeting. I am glad, however, you're smart enough to understand male gaze theory is dumb, which is another silly feminist "theory".
@@Jaxeed Honestly, my friend had told me that this might just be satire 😭 and I was quite embarassed? (if that's even the correct word to use). However, I wouldn't be surprised if there were SOME men who genuinely believed the points that were made in your original comment. Although I am glad that you are decent enough to know that you are not entitled to a woman's body or that you cannot/should not keep a woman in fear through rape culture
@@ummkhawlahh Men who abuse women are universally despised, so much so rapists needs special protection in jail as even hardened criminals (like murderers) would like to kill them. The vast majority of those who genuinely believe the nonsense I parodied are not men. They are feminists.
@@Jaxeed why should they not be despised? they commited those vile crimes on their own accord (of course, referring to rapists who do not have mental health issues that link to damage of the brain). rapists, regardless of gender, are disgusting. and they should be punished for their horrific actions. also, there are PLENTY of men in this world who unfortunately do believe those points so ):
Joanna Williams methodically pulls apart the feminist nonsense with rational argument. Nice to see the feminist outnumbered for a change too. Normally they get some whacky old guy surrounded by raging man haters, including the interviewer.
The only good thing I can say about channel 4 is that they will actually air full interviews. The fact that they actually had no funny business going on when they aired the Cathy Newman/Jordan Peterson interview was admirable. After the fact is a different story. Other than that it's a deplorable platform.
God those two women are shameful. No one is saying that rape is the same thing as squeezing the knee of a woman you don’t know but just that they come from the same sense of entitlement. It’s not rocket science to work that out. And many women can handle quite well themselves in the face of harassment but that doesn’t mean they should have to.
Joanne Watts that is exactly what is being taught these days. Men don't touch girls in any way shape or form but not one conversation is happening in the reverse.
"but they come from the same sense of entitlement". They don't. Men who rape know that they're commiting a crime. You can't put that on a the same continuum as making a pass at them.
Yes you should have too. The fact that women think they shouldn't have to defend themselves shows who's really entitled and stupid at that. They don't want to be responsible for anything. REPLY
You speak of a mans sense of entitlement and then turn around and say women should not have to defend themselves from harassment? Did you manage to type all of that hypocrisy with a straight face?
Funny these same bitches will writes thousands of articles complaining why men don't approach women as much as they used to. Or the classic "Where have all the good/real men gone?" Is there any surprise men are going mgtow?
Who is teaching boys to that they can 'sexually access' women without their consent. I have never been taught that.
How about you try using your critical thinking skills (if they exist), and stop taking words so literally.
Paddy . Porn is teaching that. And the lessons are addictive.
@ southlondon porn does not teach you how to rape women. It teaches you how to make them squirt. Two very different things mate
Islamic culture
southlondon86 Ah the old discredited porn leads to rape argument. Then why is rape more common in societies that ban porn?
It would have been nice if this discussion had acknowledged that sexual harassment, especially at the lower end of the scale, affects both sexes.
Of course it does but I envy women more than men because of society's stupidity. Society thinks they are incapable of doing anything in life but I am the complete opposite, they are capable of doing anything even committing crimes. Society including myself have a lot to answer for to punish female perpetrators proper punishments because we as a human race are not setting a good example.
BBC's Call You and Yours did a similar discussion in 2017 and the male caller wondered whether a lot of women because they have been harassed go on to harass others even their own gender as a form of revenge. I say yes, same with male perpetrators.
Mat Broomfield you’re 100% accurate
Interesting Insight episode filmed in Australia about children of prisoners, what is it like being an under eighteen year old whose parents (mother or father or both) are in jail.
At the end: "I won't address anything you just said, I'll cut you off and declare our moral superiority and ultimate victory"
I must've missed that class on entitlements to women's bodies.
Why are sexual harassment debates (almost always) framed as if women are the only people who can experience it? I know that men are more often than not the ones doing the harassing, but that doesn't really justify framing the "Sexual Harassment in the Workplace" argument as if it's a given that the woman is the victim.
If you have someone is standing on your front porch knocking on your front door, you wouldn't call them a burglar right off the bat would you?
Perfect analogy
The feminist keeps on talking about violence against women. I thought the debate was supposed to be about sexual harassment? She's changing the topic to suit her own theories and beliefs.
she get's a thousand yard stare whenever someone talks about something she wants tot talk about. like she is part of a different conversation. in her midn she is probably making good talking points.
Why am I not surprised that the feminist, unlike the other ladies, is not wearing a wedding ring?
Sathrandur Because it's known that feminists don't marry. Male and female feminists alike. In conclusion, every unmarried person is, in fact, a feminist.
@@solangeboudreau6467 or even LESBOW
Women have the upper hand. It's only sexaul harassment if she's not attracted to the guy.
Why is it the host continues to cut off Joanna while allowing barnyard to ramble off the same talking points over and over. She said the same thing multiple times.
cos he is sympathetic to the feminazi agenda!
we fight- because it is Channel 4
If these people have been sexually assaulted, report it to the police.
Can anyone tell me why women get away with harassment? I envy them more than men because of society's stupidity. I respect them but when they abuse it, society tends to think it is ok instead of taking action.
These ch4 'debates' could use more time, even if off-air; extra time exclusive to the internet or something.
News debates aren't really debates if they are
do these ppl really think guys gets off touching a knee?, to me is touching a knee one step under putting your arm around someone, it's to show "i'm here and i'm listening to what you have to say", not "yep, got ya knee, i own you now, deal with it".
we live in a truely sad world if simple gestures of showing interest in someone is mistaken for sexual harassment...
Showing interest? She talked about him groping her under the table would you call that as 'showing interest'?
Joanna Williams, and Dame Ann Leslie did a good job in this video. They are very much right. How can we compare arm touching to being groped? There is a huge gap there.
I want to raise a glass to Dame Ann Leslie, OG granny #1, boi
I've noticed a pattern in stalker/ sexual harrassing men who- once they know a beautiful woman has rejected them, become hostile, stalk them calling them names and putting their looks down trying to get the woman to believe the man is in their league. Its abuse and its wrong- this is where it gets scary and rape can happen.
Ann Leslie is one of the few feminists who actually has a heart.
Anne Leslie is a pretty smart woman with lots of common sense, intelligence and soh.
I thought the video was suppose to be about sexual harassment not sexual assault (rape)
touching someone’s thigh without their consent is inappropriate behavior and should not be tolerated, those 2 women are saying women should just suck it up if they’re touched without consent, because “i got touched and i live, so you should too”. how about working towards a more civilized society where people have respect for others and don’t touch others inappropriately without their consent.
no touching a hand is not rape, still doesn’t make inappropriate touching without consent ok.
and women being strong doesn’t mean they should tolerate inappropriate touching without consent, it’s just basic respect you should not inappropriately touch others without consent
I think she is literally being belittled everything she's saying is being ran over as being if a teacherwinks at a student that is sexual harassment I don't care what you say because of the end of the day that is a child
Sexual abuse is not a crime with preset sex rôles. As an hermaphrodite who has suffered extreme violation in this area, who has close male colleagues who have likewise suffered such abuses at the hands of women & men, I can testify firsthand to the fallacy of the belief that sexual crimes are only committed by men against women. Women abuse men & boys & those like me of the 3rd sex, & so on & forth. Statistical data on this issue is hard to come by in accurate form, as victims of all sexes underreport; However there are many reasons to suspect that the abuse rates by & of men, women, & hermaphrodites, are approximately equal; Avaible data actually tends to put people of my sex at the number 1 place of abuse in this area, above women in number of victims. But regardless of the proportions, the fact remains that this is a human problem, not a gendered problem; & that is the main problem with this modern feminist school of thought with its falsely staggered graduations of victims' importance.
I love the lady on the right, from her accent to her solid logic to her life stories. She's my new favorite person I have never met.
Interesting to see a panel where the feminist pov isn't the dominant one.
For me to put my hands on a woman's body wherever that may be at my free will, and to think that women would not do anything about it, is completely absurd. This type of behaviour is not common, at least not today. This just makes men look evil and is a complete exaggeration. As a man, I'm tired of you women thinking that we're a bunch of brutes and rapists.
The woman on the right is my new favourite stranger.
the blond woman is genius. I wish people would wink at me on the tube!! Everybody just looks away! Welcome winking! It's fun!
How pissed was the old bird with glasses?
We never get these kinds of debates on television in America. We've got CNN.
This needs to be in a 2 hour long form discussion, not a 10 minute news clip. They were just beginning to really delve into it.
When did feminists devolve into nuns?
There is no such thing as sexual harassment!!! If a man grabs you, it’s assault, if he says you have nice tits, it’s called a compliment!
Did he just call her Barnyard?
"thats tragic"
why does that kitchen look like a tv studio?
Coz your mum made it that way
the cooker is out of shot
This whole issue in Westminster is rather insidious it came out of nowhere, basically after the Hollywood scandal media realised that this kind of thing could be weaponised and boy have they done a great job. Problems in Hollywood and parliament are unique to these small places and do not represent real world human to human contacts and so to opportunistically extrapolate this to the general public is truly the height of moral panic.
Yes there is a problem but nothing quite common sense solutions could solve like no alcohol on the premises for starters.
This feminist has nothing of any substance to say, I was once pretty pro woman via feminism at least I had a sympathy for this type of world view but it has morphed into quite a puritanical and joyless movement that is actually pretty dangerous for all parts of society. Brendan O'Neil is correct that the first wave of feminists would be rolling in their graves with what this fourth wave are up to, they are bonkers.
Interesting article by Laura Perrins conservative journalist has described this as some form of coup, read it and see if you agree, I think she is onto something.
It is fair to say that strange things are happening in Westminster, common purpose uk coming out of the shadows but not many people have broken out of this brainwashed mindset. A mad world.
Who cares? What an awful debate - people are far to scared to touch each other
no proper debate between 4 people is 10 min
I don't see that many men have much power these days. although, of course, there are a lot of awful men among groups who weld all the power, along with a lot of awful women. Sexism does go both ways. Labelling all men as toxic is not the answer and is indeed sexist. Disempowering men only creates bitterness and anger, and we should know where those feelings can lead. A lot of violence comes from young men feeling powerless. No, women alone will not change the world. We should all change the world together but that will require putting aside ideology and division and respecting every person as a sacred being with limitless potential. Otherwise I fear those men and women welding the power and leading us on a merry dance will change it for us, as, indeed, they are well on the path to doing.In case you haven't noticed , they have been doing their utmost for decades to push their bleak bland vision on us all culminating in the disastrous dismantling of democracy over the past 3+ years. Stand up to them young feminist if you want to make the world safer. Do you not realise that the recent abuse levelled at citizens (and in particular at children) by governments was carried out quite happily by both men and women. Instead of blaming fellow powerless individuals and incentivising victimhood we need to arm people with the tools to be assertive and courageous...and to be able to cut through the BS and recognise propoganda
Sorry - wrong posting - I was looking for the debate on pornography..
So who's the parrot reading her lines on the left?
Krishnan shitting his self the whole session .....
Who doesn't enjoy being w*nked at?
Two of the women base their opinions on personal experience, but the feminist bases her opinions on 'statistics'. That's why the feminist just regurgitated ideology, whereas the other women offered good advice.
Generally, statistics are a better thing to rely on than personal experience, as personal experience varies so immensely. However, when these statistics are based on extremely flawed data, and used as holy truths, this is far worse.
That's exactly what I was going to reply.
AWResistance Since when are personal experiences more representive than statistics?
AWResistance let's make equal we should if a woman hits a guy a guy should be able to hit her back no more gentlemen B'S if television host that women scream at some sexy man to take his shirt off and all that she would be booted off the air ect... and the wage gap is a joke every woman in the same position makes the same hourly rate all feminism is now a days is a graet big censorship to everyone's rights facts and opinions but their own
Kat Banyard getting owned by two other women! Great telly.
Joanna Williams methodically pulls apart the feminist nonsense with rational argument. Nice to see the feminist outnumbered for a change too. Normally they get some whacky old guy surrounded by raging man haters, including the interviewer.
That gal on the left is so frigid.
Nice to see some realistic women here. But...
6:05 I like to learn from women, what to do in interacting with them. Can I conclude it is ok, even 'wonderful', to put out a sigaret on a woman's arm if she makes stupid jokes about me? Keep your own behavior in perspective as well, ladies.
Women who say they were harassed are not brave they know there side will be taken it is courage if a man does it though i am a man
Tell me Krishna isn't being serious ffs
We are all one society, which has existed for thousands of years and there have always been certain rules that governed the life of society. I believe that by the 21st century humanity has developed enough to speak about the equality of everyone and everything (which in fact has never been and never will be), and what is happening now, in my opinion, separates us-miserable political squabbles in developed countries between left LGBT people and feminist communities and "patriarchy with its traditional values and stegmatic male behavior" while our planet and people are in third world countries really suffer. Do you really not understand that we are all PEOPLE-living biological organisms and no more. Throughout history, each generation (men, women) has performed certain actions from time to time including: vulgar jokes , had a variety of fetishes, killed, gave birth, etc. So what will the "innocent children" do after a few years. But we have religion, ideology, values, in a word, culture. And I'm afraid that in the future we will educate the generation on these radical harassment ideas and posters I've seen for Beating the search in the search engine, aggressive and personal to the address of men. Society has always adapted, always. Whatever we live, but I worry about the era of a totalitarian left ideology. In general, Galaad is the opposite)
I seen on television shows where women are screaming to muscular men woo take it off and it's ok but let one of us men say that and that was on just about every show that women are the host so congrats u can sexual harassment to guys but guys can't say hey your cute congrats
Ann Leslie's a BBC mico fan... shes ok in my books: th-cam.com/video/y5TiVRne8_w/w-d-xo.html
#doublestandardideology
This panel is a farce, it's really simple. If you wouldn't do it to a male co worker don't do it to a woman. It's about respect not treating women like dolls.
Feminism is a farce, there was a Feminist who went on the Victoria Derbyshire program to give her "sexual harassment" account and she said she was once by a male colleague that he had two tickets to go to the theatre on Friday and was asked if she wanted to come.
do parda I mean cover your body to solve the problem otherwise there is no other solution, it is the order of allah almighty
It's sexual harassment if you don't have money or status. Then folks will wait 30 years till its ok to call it out rather than right then and there.
Kat's right the woman should be the one to approach the man, show interest in the man and ask the man on a date. Then the man would not have to do the approach and risk 'being a rapist'. After 6 million years of men doing all the work we need some equality. The women need to sort this out. Get off your lazy arses take the initiative.
James Grey
Yeah, some equality would be nice right about now. I have a generally scary manner because I'm tall and don't typically show much emotion on my face, so the last time I tried talking to a woman at a bar she reeled back in shock clutching her belongings to her.
I mean, can I just not get treated like a fucking boogeyman?
So what you are saying is that women should sexually harass men. What I mean by that is that if a man shows interest in a woman, that is, by feminists, perceived as sexual harassment so if the roles are reversed the harassment is still there but this time instigated by women.
I honestly don't even know how to respond to that XD
Attractive women simply don't need to take the initiative.
Yes!!!! Please let the women make the first move.
Both sexes need to improve how we act around sex, we've all got to get better at talking about sex, asking for consent and making clear whether something is okay. Understanding the different types of relationships (sexual and non sexual) We all have throughout our lives and what is appropriate in different circumstances. If you're not sure ask, or keep your hands to yourself.
Men, never ever talk to a woman unless it is absolutely necessary such as to conduct a commercial transaction or to accomplish a work-related task. Do not initiate a conversation with a woman in a social situation. If a woman talks to you first in a social situation, you then may speak to her, but don't assume that you can initiate future conversations with her. Do not ask women on dates. Ever. Date women only through third party introductions such as mutual friends i.e. blind dates, or through dating services. Do your best to never look at a woman for any reason. Wear sunglasses. All of these things can be interpreted by a woman as sexual harassment.
Ok that all sounds like good advice! Thanks for providing those clear guidelines on appropriate conduct for men! lol
*MGT0W*
Hi. I don't like sex. At all. The problem with lumping all men into a monolith and saying that society has taught them all that they could have sex whenever is that when one guy says "not only do I not like sex, but I want to do whatever my beloved wants" it shatters the lie you are trying to make. I don't want to do anything my beloved doesn't want. She has done so much for me even though I am very nervous through all of it. I've dated her for nearly five years and I've only recently become comfortable starting a kiss without asking first. At her behest. I went to public school. I live in the fifth most populous city in the United States, Phoenix, Arizona. On this little pebble of ours, we all must coexist as peacefully as possible. We can't demonize entire demographics because they happened to be born "wrong." I'm so sorry I was born a straight white cis male. But unfortunately, I can't change that fact, now can I?
The middle-aged women at the factory where I worked as a young man, who pinched my behind and laughed, were sexual harassing me and I should somehow be traumatised and blame all women.
Harassment can happen to anybody regardless of gender, ethnicity, etc. I am getting the feeling now that women want superior rights, not equal rights but I can guarantee that it will backfire on them. You made a decision, you suffer the consequence. I think society is just as bad as the perpetrators. Favouring women's rights over human rights. Human rights to me means male and female regardless of age, ethnicity, able, less able, etc.
Kat Baynard has a strange blank emotionless expression. Her rote repeated lines seem like an NPC. What I'm waiting for feminist explanation about how the human mating rituals are supposed to work. Dame Ann Leslie has the wisdom of years, but don't expect any sympathy for men from a feminist.
Very good segment from Channel 4, this is the kind of hard conversations we need
Yes I'm actually surprised. Krishnan behaved himself.
This is getting rather tedious and over stated I believe. Woman use their sex to their advantage and in most cases are strong enough to stand their ground. I do fully understand though the threats from immigrants who come from a different culture and that’s a major issue in itself.
if a woman winks at me as a man am i being sexually harassed
Any link to the Dunblane cover up and lies with these MP's ?????????????
Spectrum is introduced when they cant show actual assault....
th-cam.com/video/PAmPikBGnt4/w-d-xo.html Look at the blonde womans face. It's oh we're going through this line of speaking, you bore me. Even other women start to tune you out. Or maybe just frustration. I don't know.
Feminist Fish Mouth Strikes Again
Those two woman owned her. She. Only had I thing to say the whole time.
I would watch this, but Channel 4's credibility has been damaged by the (attempted) Cathy Newman hack-job.
I remember that time my dad took me to my first patriarchy meet up, and the joy when we learned how we were entitled to women's bodies. Not to mention how empowering it felt to learn about how we keep women in fear through the genius employment of rape culture. Or how we can control women through the power of gaze. Those were the days. Such a shame we have to increase security every year to combat all those meddling feminists.
You are not entitled to a woman's body. It is not empowering to keep a woman in fear through rape culture. It is disgusting and vile. Nor can you control women through gaze. It has been four years since you wrote this comment. I hope, for the sake of everything, that you have become less ignorant.
@@ummkhawlahh I will assume you're just a kid, because if you're not... 0Ooh boy, you're a nutcase. There has never been such a thing as a patriarchy meeting. I am glad, however, you're smart enough to understand male gaze theory is dumb, which is another silly feminist "theory".
@@Jaxeed Honestly, my friend had told me that this might just be satire 😭 and I was quite embarassed? (if that's even the correct word to use). However, I wouldn't be surprised if there were SOME men who genuinely believed the points that were made in your original comment. Although I am glad that you are decent enough to know that you are not entitled to a woman's body or that you cannot/should not keep a woman in fear through rape culture
@@ummkhawlahh Men who abuse women are universally despised, so much so rapists needs special protection in jail as even hardened criminals (like murderers) would like to kill them. The vast majority of those who genuinely believe the nonsense I parodied are not men. They are feminists.
@@Jaxeed why should they not be despised? they commited those vile crimes on their own accord (of course, referring to rapists who do not have mental health issues that link to damage of the brain). rapists, regardless of gender, are disgusting. and they should be punished for their horrific actions. also, there are PLENTY of men in this world who unfortunately do believe those points so ):
Joanna Williams methodically pulls apart the feminist nonsense with rational argument. Nice to see the feminist outnumbered for a change too. Normally they get some whacky old guy surrounded by raging man haters, including the interviewer.
The only good thing I can say about channel 4 is that they will actually air full interviews. The fact that they actually had no funny business going on when they aired the Cathy Newman/Jordan Peterson interview was admirable. After the fact is a different story. Other than that it's a deplorable platform.
Let's have Jordan Peterson on this panel! We need this harpie to experience the Jordan Peterson "Gotcha" effect!
The feminist's face is priceless...
Is that what that was 😂😂😂
god exalts those who humble themselves and humbles those who exalt themselves
'We know, we know, we know...'. Who knows, ya child?
I would like to know what "unwanted conduct" means.
*SPOT THE ROBOT*
It should be drawn where common sense ends.
God those two women are shameful. No one is saying that rape is the same thing as squeezing the knee of a woman you don’t know but just that they come from the same sense of entitlement. It’s not rocket science to work that out.
And many women can handle quite well themselves in the face of harassment but that doesn’t mean they should have to.
Joanne Watts that is exactly what is being taught these days. Men don't touch girls in any way shape or form but not one conversation is happening in the reverse.
"but they come from the same sense of entitlement". They don't. Men who rape know that they're commiting a crime. You can't put that on a the same continuum as making a pass at them.
Yes you should have too. The fact that women think they shouldn't have to defend themselves shows who's really entitled and stupid at that. They don't want to be responsible for anything.
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You speak of a mans sense of entitlement and then turn around and say women should not have to defend themselves from harassment? Did you manage to type all of that hypocrisy with a straight face?
Funny these same bitches will writes thousands of articles complaining why men don't approach women as much as they used to. Or the classic "Where have all the good/real men gone?" Is there any surprise men are going mgtow?