I Tried Civ 4 Again After 12 Years... and Got Humbled Quick
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- Civ 4 remains an all-time classic in the strategy genre, and it's probably THE game that got me back into strategy games as an adult. But I always regretted never playing at a higher difficulty. Today, we'll change that and see just how different this game is from Civ 5 and 6! (Hint: It's hard. It's VERY hard.)
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One thing about Civ4... that intro and theme are just timeless.
Baba Yetu is just iconic.
"Coronation" is underrated.
Intro is horrible
uuuuuhhhh yeah because of this theme i began playing
As far as I understand from my time playing civ 4, the attacker usually has to fight the enemy with the highest strength calculation (so if you attack with cavalry, either you fight an archer unit with a lot of bonuses, or a spearman/pikeman, because of their +100% vs. cavalry units.
This game has a special place in my heart and it's quite a lot of fun seeing you play it.
Also, Pravus seems to think you do collateral damage when bombarding: if I remember my Civ 4 correctly, you do collateral damage when you *attack* with a siege weapon, not when you bombard a city.
So the counter to a large stack of units is to attack them with some sacrificial siege weapons to reduce *everyone's* strength to a pitiful level.
@@dargaronsoftsong3193 Bombarding does do collateral but very little, siege attack does way more iirc
@@McHobotheBoboBombers have that ability if you do airstrike, but I don't think siege weapons do outside of the Road to War mod.
1:30 Let’s go colonising!
*You have been defeated!!!*
-Aw dang it
*You have been defeated!!!*
-Aw dang it
*You have been defeated!!!*
-Aw dang it
*You have been defeated!!!*
-Aw dang it
Gamblecore fan detected
I've been playing the series since Civ 2. I never played the older games on high difficulty and seeing this has made me realize why! There are so many things from the older games which I miss, the crazy council and wonder videos in 2 and the palace/throne room upgrades in 3.
I remember coming home after school in second grade and playing hotseat with my best friend, we had WAY too low difficulty level, so with strategy "I'll stack like 50-100 units on one tile and smash them against other cities" we had like 30+ cities each, it was great time
I’ll never forget how this game gave middle school me high blood pressure as it forced me to watch a barbarian with a club single handled destroy all three of my modern battle tanks because my tanks rolled low when they entered combat.
Abandon human, embrace monke.
Bollocks. That's more or less impossible.
Thats absolutely bullshit.
No way you would have encountered barbarian warriors in the late game. You should be seeing barbarian axemen by the classical era, warriors are quickly obsoleted. Either false memory or flat out lying.
@@VrilWaffen perhaps the use of “Barbarian” was inappropriate. They weren’t genuine barbarian units which, as you so politely point out, automatically tech up after certain conditions were met. They were clubmen from another player who hadn’t been upgraded the whole game. I could only speculate as to why they had never been upgraded. I referred to them as barbarians because they remind me of Conan the barbarian with the getup just with a big stick instead of a cool sword.
The point of my comment was less about the spectacle of the battle itself and more about the deeper philosophical insight that only have 3 models per unit causes weird scenarios where the final unit represents a far greater share of the units HP and is therefore harder to kill leading to significant frustration.
You need to attack enemies with your catapults ( often killing your catapults so you need lots of them ) to trigger collateral damage , siege units are the key to fight doomstacks as well as cavalry units that can withdraw after the fight
civ 4: Man, I hate stacked units, this sucks.
civ 7: The ability to use a commander to temporarily stack units is really cool.
I have a destinct memory of playing civ 4 with two continents, discovered the second one that was controlled entirely by barbarian cities that was taken from spain.
If i recall there was no iron or something causing spanish and others to not able to build powerful enough units to defent themselves.
0:55 The unbridled power of the sun.
MY EYES!
Dude, Civ 4 was my favorite of the series. Thanks for sharing!
Baba Yetu, that brings me back!
Ah, the best one, where difficulties mattered, you could not win Deity by rolling your face on the keyboard, and AI could actually win any victory condition.
Love to see this! Civ 4 holds a very, very special place in my heart. :) Would definitely recommend checking out the mods for Civ 4, especially the Rhyes and Fall mod. Civ 4 has some of the best modding ever for a video game. Some mods feel like entirely new, great games!
Let's trick Pravus into doing a full C2C playthrough
@@leoleboss9414A couple of years later.
You are playing civ 4 😮. Civ 4 is my favorite with Legends of revolution mod. The game was balanced. Barbarians evolve into a culture and a leader is randomly selected. They can capture cities and expand like a civilization. That is the best barbarian mechanic of all the civ games!!! I love Ruthless Al. The computer plays to win !!!
If I recall correctly, the stacks always defend with whichever unit has the best chance of success against the attacker. Which makes it really hard to defeat large stacks as wounded units move to the bottom of the stack and can heal up. This is one of the things I do not miss about the older games, it just made it hard to defeat enemies, or too easy if you are able to get a giant stack of your own.
Minor pet peeve but the stack of doom mechanic is always misunderstood in civ 4. The catch here though is that siege absolutely wrecks huge stacks per hammer cost. Sure the first few catapults will lose but after the fifth or sixth, you start cleaning up. Then unit matchup and defensive bonuses don’t matter. The defender has an advantage not just because of defenders multipliers but because they can move freely on roads whereas the attacker cannot. Which means they will always strike first and do massive siege damage to a stack if they choose to.
The best strategy is to keep yourself flexible. Of course against an ai with bonuses who doesn’t act intelligently, stacks of doom beats them fine but you try that on a competent human, you will get absolutely decimated.
That is what siege weapons are for they cause massive damage to massive stacks. Civ 4 has counters for everything
Honestly my first Civ game was the Beyond Earth and dlc 😁
I love that game! Space Civ and radical cultural shift was fun ☺️
I honestly enjoyed that one, too. I know it never gained any traction, but the adapting to a new world with three competing ideologies was fun!
Yeah I think it could’ve been great if it had a little more unit diversity and some quality of life improvements (ie giving leaders more personality and implementing more ways to boost land unit movement).
Beyond Earth was also my first Civ game because I was a sucker for sci-fi ten years ago (at least way more than I am today).
Ah yes i forgot that Civ 4 had hostile wild animal npcs. Man i missed them
May I ask why no expansion packs? They add so much to the game! :)
One of my first 5 games I’ve ever gotten into, I have fond memories of being completely locked out of most units because of a lack of oil on my first playthrough
I started with Civilization (no numbers yet) back in 1991! Been there for the whole series and enjoyed the love affair for all of the years!
I love the fact that you are going back too more classic games. Id love too see more of this kind of content.
Little pointer. The music was a little loud at times. As always top notch work love your content!
I’m laughing at the thought of Isabella of Spain being Buddhist
Best Civ imho, I started with Civ1, and I loved Colonization.
Praise Pravus.
This game had the best Civ AI. Even at the normal level, where there were no bonuses for player or computer player, the AI was a challenge.
Love the "come on!" at the third defeat.
1:00 the good old times, when DLCs did not exist. They were called Add-Ons back then. Because the game already was complete without them, and they added additional content thst was not stripped from the game earlier.
The stacking mechanic could of been neat to keep if they had a cap on how many. Might of been helpful for the lag issues late game can have on 6 for example due to number of different icons on map.
Okay, fatherhood has really settled in now, we are seeing Pravus yearn for a nostalgic period in his gaming life, lol. /jk
I loved CIV 4 back in the day, but I'd not go back to it now, too much of a clunky feel even though the gameplay experience could be argued to be more superior than CIV 6.
There is a bit of that but the modding scene is still active! Maybe give the Dune mod, Fall From Heaven 2 (possibly with modmods) or Final Frontier plus would suit you :) FFH2 specifically has some cool story campaigns!
You should try bellwright, it's a newish game kind of like medieval dynasty but more with a war aspect to it
As someone with a micro YT channel similar to yours (not related to this user at all, not a promo), it can be soul crushing to re-record a video… so to do it 4, 5 times? Phhhew you have the patience of a monk!
The things I miss most from Civ4 in more modern entries are the immersive elements like the world being a spinning globe, the very distinct era appropriate music (a bit weird to hear western medieval music while playing China though). More ages/eras which gave the world some more continuity. If a nation was lagging behind they usually didn't have arhcers fighting riflemen. But 1600s musket units fighting 1700s line infantry. Civ 5 skips right from mid 1500's to mid 1800s military technology.
Also that borders expanded faster. It was always weird in Civ5 to having to traverse unclaimed wasteland and jungle when fighting a ww1 ish war. Borders in CIv4 clashed earlier and the world felt more inhabited.
15:00 because of the rounding "errors" some people used to 100/0 science and cash every other turn
A stone start with mining already researched is god. Research masonry and build great wall at double speed and you never have to worry about fogbusting ever again.
Pravus is on a serious nostalgia trip
You want to park a military unit not because enemies can walk in and kill you, but because a military unit in a city gives 2 happiness on all government types. Or maybe 1.
You definitely completely misunderstand how gold works. The gold yield coins on the map are actually called "commerce" and they can be converted into either science or gold depending on where you put that slider.
Ten hours and not running Beyond the Sword? Madness! But yes, Civ4 is the best of the series still imo, if only for the awesome modding scene! Cause vanilla Civ6 is THE civ game for now... (Civ7 looking at your unreleased self...)
It’s quite a bit harder than the later titles
Moreover, YOU NEVER USED THE PYRAMIDS! Both Hereditary Rule AND Representation would have helped you, but you didn't even look before Feudalism. Without that change, the Pyramids were not even remotely worth the production.
As a mainly Civ 3 and Civ 5 player it's remarkable to see elements of both games kinda mish mashed into Civ 4. Changing Research funding which was a thing in 3 and unique leader traits like in 5. It's like seeing what they improved on from 3 and the forerunner of 5. i'm glad this was made
Hear Ye, Hear Ye...Pravus gets arse handed to him by Sid Meier's Civ 4...more on page 7
At least you gave it the old collage try, thanks for the entertainment.
It was long-time community member Sullla's famous boast that the Civ 4 AI "would beat an average player on Noble."
In other news (as of July 31, 2024), Season Eight of his Civ 4 AI Survivor is currently underway.
I don't profess to have a great build order, but one rule I always follow is to NEVER build a worker first. Gotta get that capital city up to 2 or preferably 3 pop, so it can work that extra tile or two for science while you're pop-growth-locked building that worker. Especially since often that worker is nerfed at the start by a lack of available improvements locked behind research.
It really depends, sometimes worker first is your best option.
Sometimes an early religion is the best start.
Slavery though is the ultimate for expansion on condition there is decent food and river tiles.
Worker first would be best in that scenario.
Jungle starts I just reroll the map 😂
Worker first is considered the best build 95% of the time.
The boost you get from improving tiles helps way more than the temporary halt to growth hurts you.
would love to see more civ 4 vids :)
oh gods this took me back to all the multiplayer games i've played in this game.. THANKS!
Mutiplayer still exists
@@KvalitetSystems yeah but my friends don't play it and neither do I ^^
@pravus you should play either Caveman2c9smos or Realism Invictus. That would be fun to watch.
Love Civ 4! If you could try mods for it, would be lots of fun. Also Old World by Civ 4 lead designer is real good too.
best civ so far
What is the music around 6:20? Is it music from CIV IV because if so it’s fucking beautiful
Cant wait to see you play civilization revolution for the Nokia/xbox
Would love to see the newer civs too
What a classic. The good old days
Would be a nice series if you played a few more games off line, watched some good players (lain, absolute zero, henrik) to understand better how the game plays and then come back and show.
It's a really good game with lots more depth and balance than you show here.
Play Beyond The Sword version as the last official version. Its far better than original.
Best not to play Emperor for a while or you just won't win!
AWESOME start - you place the city on flodplanes !!!!! WTF!!!! NO!!!
Omg Civ 4 and the AI Panzer stack arrrgh
"They removed slavery from Civ 5 for obvious reasons"
And that reason beeing ignorance of 5000 years of history? Perhaps that's also why Civ 4 is the better experience. It doesn't push any political zeitgeist ideas on the player.
Always great when history is denied when it's not nice history...
Love to see you do Civ 1 :D
Please play Civ 4 C2C mod. A video of your first impression just seeing where the playthrough takes you would be awesome.
There is dynamic difficulty in BUG option (green thingy top left) that you can set to automatically adjust both your and the ai difficulty every x turns to help make the playthrough engaging.
Watching this was just silly,
Did you really play it in the past?
Bare minimum is to leave a unit in your cities just for happynes buff
The Civ game I started with too!
I could never get into Civ 4. Every single other numbered Civ game I have hundreds if not thousands of hours in but I only ever managed about ten in 4, there's just something about it that's weirdly and viscerally off-putting to me. I actually re-purchased it recently to give it another go and racked up a full 104 minutes of play time before switching back to 6. 😂 Civ 3 was my real happy place out of the older ones.
Isn’t the civilization series AI known to actually cheat in higher difficulties? Not just being very good at the game, but they literally cheat and spawn stuff not to the game’s rules
I've seen it plant a 2nd city and next turn a settler and two workers popped out and settled again, instant 2 archers.
The computer gets the same bonuses you got in settler difficulty
Deity on civ 5&6 is noble on civ 4.
Are you a Mechanical Engineer?
Oh...the doomstacks.....now I remember why I stick with 5...the doomstacks were annoying.....the game is still awesome though.....
Haha, instead mid-late game Civ 5/6 Combat is moving 40-60 one unit stacks around.
Ah yes, civ4, the last actually hard civ with pretty good AI.
Also if you get into it, unit stacking makes more sense than you think. You just to know how to defend/utilize it. Thwre are enough mechanics to stop doom stacks. Especially in late game with airplanes
25:37 BRUH HOW ARE YOU STILL IN DESPOTISM THIS FAR INTO THE GAME LMFAO Why did you even build the Pyramids?
should have settled on the stone
So you had all that river, the pyramids, and you didn't build a specialist capital?
Series potential???
What do you mean gold is not a high priority until you are running out of money? More gold is straight up more research. 100% of more is surprisingly more than 100% of less.
Gold and commerce in this game are different things.
Gold and commerce in this game are different things.
Unfortunately most commentators use the terms interchangeably
Day 92 asking Pravus to please play Eu4 Anbennar
shout out to those, who started with Civilization I, like me
Civ 4 is the best!!!!
I've never played civ 4
I think civ 4 diplomacy and ai are their best attempt so far but civ v and vi military is superior. Diplomacy just hasn't felt right to me since 4.
Go online multiplayer you will get fucking obliterated people are hosting games on steam still
Why not civ 6
Maybe when we're waiting for Civ 9 to be released and he realises he hasn't played 6 in over a decade he will.
It’s worse and much easier so less content
Try caveman to cosmos
will you be playing civ 1, 2 or call to power 2? played them so much in their day would be fun to watch you play them