In RDR2 I got obsessive about greeting everyone I met for the karma. Then I hit Saint Denis with its throngs of people and I got so excited I ran up and down every street greeting everybody for a few minutes before realizing I was acting like a country bumpkin. In other words, the game mechanic tricked me into acting in character. You won that round, Rockstar.
You just experienced what it's like to be a northern midwesterner visiting the US coastal cities. I've also learned that if I'm in Europe it's better if I just wear a muzzle to avoid being treated like a crazy person. I'm sorry, where I'm from people are *friendly.* 😂
Just this once just because it will be funny, I want the neighbours to say "Oh yeah we suspected this would happen, even placed a bet. Damm now I owe Jenny £10
I loved the fishing bit in RDR2. I like to imagine he was eulogized thusly: "Here lies Arthur Morgan. Some may call him a murdering bastard and a bank robber, but he was also a prolific catch-and-release fisherman. For that, he will live forever in our hearts."
You know, the amount of times I've heard 'he was such a nice, young man, always saying "hello" to his neighbours' in a newsreel about a criminal suddenly makes sense!
@@goldenfiberwheat238 Never heard this argument that specific- to be fair, each time I've heard it, it was about a white person (that's the dominant group of people living where I do). So, not sure what your point is.
Played red dead online with friends for a while, we were evil as fuck. But had perfectly honourable reputations because we took such good care of our horses.
Later that day, Andy disappeared. With no trace or evidence of his departure. And when Ellen was questioned all she did was smile and keep on strumming away. It was never revealed what actually happened, but one thing was clear, he asked too many questions
But, that requires walking. And talking. And being around people. Outside. Can't we just stay inside, locked away from everyone else forever, & say we're good?
@dr.bright6272 See, that's where Dutch's plans went awry... he tried too much of that "being around people" & not enough "sitting at home knitting." He could've weaved some sails & made his way peacefully to Tahiti (where they didn't accept dollars anyway) rather than trying to talk to people for honor!
Nobody seriously blew up Megaton once they found out that the Tenpenny Suite was behind three loading screens and a mandatory conversation every single time you wanted to go there.
And it's a smaller apartment and tenpenny is filled with awful people and you lose access to an entire town and it's vendors. Really no reason to blow up megaton imo other than kicks
Sure in vanilla, not with mods & unofficial patches haha. Honestly it still cracks me up that reviews back then made that seem like some big moral dilemma hahah..it's as simple as it comes, it's like crayon drawings compared to new Vegas' complex moral arithmetic
Fun fact: The morality system in the original Metro was so misunderstood, that a majority of players got the bad ending, so the devs made that the canon ending for the sequel.
Was wondering why Andy wasnt doing the rdr2 one, then realized the mention of bailing out Micah wouldn't have been a short snide comment. It would've been a rant that took up half the video
14:09 *Ellen:* I wonder if that works in real life. I've got a lot to make up for. _~casual ukulele playing~_ *Andy:* Wow, you're... really playing a long time there. What did you do? *Ellen:* _~ukulele playing intensifies~_ *Andy:* _What did you do?!_ *Ellen:* _~intense playing continues, cannot hide haunted look in eyes~_
In the Metro games, karma isn't what we expect it to be here in the real world. It's Artyom experiencing what gave our human culture meaning before and after the bombs fell. To interact with these instruments isn't to make your cosmic karma better, it's to bring Artyom closer to humanity. That's what the dark ones are looking for in him, that he isn't a monster too
In kotor 1, on Korriban, you can gain a few lightside point when three Sith officers ganging up on you by telling a joke that is incredibly offensive to Mandalorians. Seriously cracked me up.
Um, yes, because it helps you blend in with them and thereby avoids a violent outcome of the encounter, not because telling the offensive joke as such was a good deed.
9:06 It only took 8 years, but they finally made a single mistake! Amazing, can't believe I was here to witness them calling 3, 4! Wait, shoot, what's the easiest way to increase my karma from making a sarcastic comment on a youtube video? .... Liking a comment? Well, guess I'll like my own! (but fr tho, amazing and hilarious as always. Now back to delving into the past 5 years of OXbox/tra content)
In Shadowrun Returns there's a houseless guy who the cops kicked out of the alley he was living in because it's a crime scene, and they won't let him get back in to get his stuff. If you get into the crime scene you can get good karma for grabbing his stuff, which is all well and good, but you don't get good karma for *giving his stuff back*. So you could just take his stuff and leave and according to the game that's the right thing to do.
I have one. Fallen London has a loophole you can use to reduce Suspicion or Scandal. A challenge will sometimes appear that lets you transfer some of the negative Karma to another player on your friends list - as in, frame another player for your crimes. Why use a friend as a scapegoat? Simple, doing so lets that friend do the same to you! (This is Fallen London, nobody is truly innocent in this game, and there are also a few quests that let you collaborate with friends, compete with them, or send them gifts.) The loophole, however, is a simple one - create a second account, and use that account as the scapegoat. No rule that says you can't do that, and it is a way to reduce both with no real risk to the main account.
Kinda off topic but I'm reminded of my brother playing evil in Fable and the crowd cheering while he "cheers" in the square but run screaming away right after
It's interesting because in the Dresden files books the main character Harry does some... things that affect his soul and discovers that learning the guitar is one of the activities that fixes the damage.
It's necessary though, as you'll be burning through that purity every time you use a consumable that isn't vegan. Who knew that a strict diet of murder and cheese for a week or so is enough to look like a desiccated vampire?
I like to think of RDR2's greeting mechanic as "Old-timey social media". You get a like for positive remark, negative thumbs down for a bad one. And if you just pull up your mask, you can be a nasty, anonymous troll. Then ride off into the sunset, leaving a trail of needlessly negative energy. We've come so far since then.
Fallout: New Vegas has killing Fiends as it’s too easy karma gain. Fighting raiders blitzed out of their gourds may not sound all that easy, but with how prolific they are, the fact that they attack on sight, and how much karma gain they give, (+100 each), it’s genuinely more challenging to maintain evil karma while strolling through their turf. Plus, being able to make up for any and every mortal sin possible by just killing 20 more people is a bit surreal if you ask me.
I would boost good karma on infamous by just running at NPCs until they briefly fell over, then use pulse heal to 'revive' them even though they were totally fine
In road 96 there’s a hidden karma mechanic, steal more and you’ll get a lower chance to successfully complete a RNG prompt. Pay for a $3 fortune at the end of each run to raise it again. And unless your run is money based, you’ll probably do this as there’s not much else to spend your money.
It's not quite the same, but Dwarf Fortress players make similar jokes about how a dwarf's morale is determined. Example from the TV Tropes page: "Kol Tölunimush has been ecstatic lately. He killed somebody by accident while sparring recently. He took joy in slaughter lately. He has lost a lover to tragedy lately. He has witnessed death. He had a satisfying sparring session recently."
I remember feeling a bit annoyed with that one choice in Infanous, mainly because they were unnecessarily presenting it as an either/or when there was an obvious middle ground. I can take ALL the food to feed my family or let other people take it all. Why can’t I just take one or two crates to feed my family and leave the rest for the other people?
man I think infamous was the first game I played that had a karma system, and I always found it funny how even if you had true goody two shoes karma, if you go selfish and keep the power near the end, you still get the worst karma with black red powers in my defense... why did they make the evil powers cool? it was so much more fun to play as
In the first Mass Effect there’s a quest with a bugged conversation that allows you to pick either the Paragon or Renegade option repeatedly until you’ve maxed out the meter, or even both if you have enough points in both to have both options available
Ah, the ukulele of untold undemption(tm). Classic. Makes a great set with the trumpet of total trustworthiness, the recorder of relationship retention and the piano of positive prospect.
Ironically the main reward for good Karma in Fallout 3 was an unnamed lady running up to you in Megaton to hand you random snacks and ammo for being her hero. So if you blow up Megaton and decide to become good afterward... Same thing for being evil. Some nameless guy in Paradise Falls gives you the same kind of gifts for being an inspiration and icon of evil. If you decide that Paradise Fall's isn't your brand of evil, destroying it eliminates the only guy that worships you.
You could get Pikachu to max friendship in Pokémon Yellow by trying to use a potion with full HP. Pikachu's friendship is increased by the act of giving the potion, but the potion isn't consumed. Repeat 255 times and you'll max it out!
Not sure if it counts or not, but in Baldur's Gate 3, the newspaper is just absolutely bent on slandering you and making everyone hate you. You can, at one point, get into the basement (with the aid of LOT of invisibility potions and a very high sleight of hand) and replace the headline and article with "The Cutest Cat In The World" and everyone forgets they hated you and stop talking smack about you constantly.
In inFAMOUS 2 there's an entire side mission that's just hearing what someone has to say. She explains her mother was in the first game's city and either lived or starved based on your current karma then walks away after either kissing or slapping you.
Metro and Vampire aren't really about karma: Metro is about proving you're more than a scrabbling, hating beast. It can be rather counterintuitive, as often you feel like you're on a timer, but the game wants you to enjoy this concert to prove to yourself there's still good in the world. Vampire is all about retaining your humanity and not becoming a monster. While doing good deeds can do this, so can just being a person and dancing with other people.
12:26 seriously underrated? Tarzan's soundtrack got SO MANY AWARDS! It's widely known as being amazing and, according to Wikipedia, "the album was a major comeback for Phil Collins, and put him back in the public eye". South Park even made a full episode to attack Phil Collins because they didn't win an Oscar with their movie's soundtrack! It's not underrated, it's just kind of forgotten after 25 years.
@@ieasy12 and how does this have anything to do with what I said? Hahahaha Just because The Lion King has a terrific soundtrack as well it doesn't change the fact that "underrated" is not a good word to define Tarzan's soundtrack
The 'good v bad' karma from being a landlord is 1:1 regardless of financial impact, so removing rent from low income houses while jacking up prices on businesses (which usually have the highest returns), you get good karma, while getting the most money.
Like in real life, being able to rationalize heinous action is the best way to end up a monster - but of course in Vampire you have... alternative moral systems
I really thought Red Dead was going to be about brushing, feeding, and patting your horse. In Red Dead Online I find it hard to have bad karma even when I’m actively trying to.
That's kinda like with the story. You sorta have to actively be a bad person to get Low Honor. Which was always funny to me when I seen people get the canonically "bad ending" for having low honor then getting upset with how the game ended.
One thing I find very funny regarding Mani wheels, is the fact that they were made as a cheat code regarding prayers. You could spend a few minutes reciting a long prayer and honor the gods you praise, or you could spin this wheel with all the prayers already written down and be on your way. It's would be like having a Christian Priest slapping you with a Bible and then going "You are forgiven"
You guys are truly a comfort channel. I cycle through tons of TH-camrs but you guys are a consistent mainstay. Video games are so intertwined childhood, it feels nice to reinvest in it as an adult so it feels a little less superfluous compared to some other hobbies (I say as a collector of hobbies)
The reputation system in Fallout: New Vegas makes equally little sense: the two major factions are perfectly happy to forgive you for nuking them just because you reached the right point in the story.
8:35 Fable 3 - Or, with being a landlord, exit the game, modify your xbox console clock to many years in the future, load up your save, and heaps of money for you.
And yet in the Baldur's Gate trilogy it takes 1000gp donation to a temple (even an evil one, for some reason) to raise your reputation by 1 point. I think we're getting gouged.
I was lucky enough to befriend another player who basically approached me and donated what I can only assume was three real-life years worth of end-game, maxed-out property revenue. While I was still in the first half of the game. I, in turn, invested that to the point where, when I finally beat the game, I managed to get both the Magnate Personality and Tough Love achievements.
Outside Xbox and outside Xtra, your 7 videos have always been a source of happiness and relaxation for me. Whenever I feel down and anxious I look forward to your next 7 list video. Your videos' pace and uplifting tone always cheers me up. Thank you.
You'll need a long ukulele session to atone for the ukulele playing. But then you'd need an even better one for that... are we approaching the Uke Apology Singularity?
Damned Walter...he always got "lost" in the "Space Between the Worlds" for me whenever I wanted to drop off scrap metal. In Megaton specifically, the NPCs could slip into an "alternate" world and be absent from town but not deceased...you could get them back, but it took slipping between the worlds yourself and chasing them back to Megaton (in actuality, they'd end up in the mostly featureless expanse that you could access by leaping *over* the Megaton walls while not actually leaving via the actual exit); you had to locate them (almost always near the school that's a short distance from town) and either push them back (difficult since they didn't really respond to that and there are plenty of holes to fall in) or pull out a gun and "entice" them to run back to town (this may take a while and, if you're not careful, they can run in another direction)...this second option works better, but it does have the side effect of making the townsfolk a little upset with you, though (which is mitigated by immediately leaving again once the townie has been verified as returning and letting the heat die down for several days).
SMT Strange Journey. Before the alignment lock, you can help a goblin dig a hole a bunch and turn your alignment to Law no matter how much Chaotic stuff you got up to.
hahaha. If you live in a small community it is weird not to acknowledge and say hello to others. If you live in a large place it is weird if you acknowledge the people around you. 😁 I lived for a bit on what used to be a separate town that later became part of an expanding city and it was interesting to still see the occasional random stranger politely saying good morning when also passing by a dozen other people just minding their business.
In Fable 1 you got good karma (and lowered your fat level!) by eating tofu, so having a pocket full of that stuff could be a quick fix for any "misdeeds" you might have performed, such as opening the stone door that required you to perform something truly evil in front of it. For that, the easiest way was to chomp down on a disturbingly large number of live chickens (tbh, any number above 0 is disturbing IMO) followed by a nice cleansing detox of a ton of tofu. The Fable games are weird.
Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 also let you gain karma (reputation) by donating to temples. Other way was easier though, just by having certain people in your party your rep would go down. Sword Coast was even less tolerant before BG3...
In RDR2 I got obsessive about greeting everyone I met for the karma. Then I hit Saint Denis with its throngs of people and I got so excited I ran up and down every street greeting everybody for a few minutes before realizing I was acting like a country bumpkin. In other words, the game mechanic tricked me into acting in character.
You won that round, Rockstar.
You just experienced what it's like to be a northern midwesterner visiting the US coastal cities. I've also learned that if I'm in Europe it's better if I just wear a muzzle to avoid being treated like a crazy person.
I'm sorry, where I'm from people are *friendly.* 😂
Arthur Morgan sounds like every criminal whose neighbours are interviewed ever : "I would never have expected that, he was always so polite"
True sociopaths are usually people GOOd at pretending to be non-evil.
"He was a good boy. He never hurt nobody!"
Just this once just because it will be funny, I want the neighbours to say "Oh yeah we suspected this would happen, even placed a bet. Damm now I owe Jenny £10
I loved the fishing bit in RDR2. I like to imagine he was eulogized thusly:
"Here lies Arthur Morgan. Some may call him a murdering bastard and a bank robber, but he was also a prolific catch-and-release fisherman. For that, he will live forever in our hearts."
“Say what you will about John Wayne gacy, but he wore a clown suits and clowns are funny so at least he entertained children”
You know, the amount of times I've heard 'he was such a nice, young man, always saying "hello" to his neighbours' in a newsreel about a criminal suddenly makes sense!
@@sebastianwlodarczyk oh yeah I totally forgot about that. They do that anytime a black person is killed or kills someone
@@goldenfiberwheat238 Never heard this argument that specific- to be fair, each time I've heard it, it was about a white person (that's the dominant group of people living where I do).
So, not sure what your point is.
@@sebastianwlodarczyk they did it with Treyvon Martin and George Floyd
'Ukulele of Penance' sounds like something you would find in a Dark Souls game
or a youtube apology video from a groomer
...it really doesn't. Baldur's Gate or Elder Scrolls, sure, but not SoulsBorne stuff.
There's a ukulele in the Risk of Rain games...
Could be the weapon of a dark bard.
@@totz_the_plaid9625 You can kill people with a bubble trumpet in elden ring but a edgy ukelele is too far?
Oh no not the ukulele apology
Lololol had me rolling😂
Toxic gossip traiiiiiiin
Well that save me trying to come up with some clever comment.
so... andy steve martin playing among us on this channel...
@@normalhuman9878 No its "The toxic gossip TRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIN!"
Played red dead online with friends for a while, we were evil as fuck. But had perfectly honourable reputations because we took such good care of our horses.
Ahh the people probably deserved it, horses are just giant dogs, ergo good (big) bois and more important
You are bad guy. But this does not mean you are bad guy,
Later that day, Andy disappeared. With no trace or evidence of his departure. And when Ellen was questioned all she did was smile and keep on strumming away. It was never revealed what actually happened, but one thing was clear, he asked too many questions
Any terrible deed can be undone by walking through town and saying hi to everyone for a few minutes
But, that requires walking. And talking. And being around people. Outside.
Can't we just stay inside, locked away from everyone else forever, & say we're good?
@@TinKnight not if you wanna go to Tahiti Arthur
"Howdy there, partner!"
1 second later: +🤠
@@A13_Mk1 hi there mister *charisma increases*
@dr.bright6272 See, that's where Dutch's plans went awry... he tried too much of that "being around people" & not enough "sitting at home knitting."
He could've weaved some sails & made his way peacefully to Tahiti (where they didn't accept dollars anyway) rather than trying to talk to people for honor!
Nobody seriously blew up Megaton once they found out that the Tenpenny Suite was behind three loading screens and a mandatory conversation every single time you wanted to go there.
Best argument I've heard for saving Megaton.
And it's a smaller apartment and tenpenny is filled with awful people and you lose access to an entire town and it's vendors. Really no reason to blow up megaton imo other than kicks
You can get through the gate or go through the side. But yea unless you’re doing an evil/amoral playthrough there’s no reason to.
@@Yummypoison0 Unless you try to disarm the bomb. And *_FAIL._*
And futilely try to run. 🤣
Sure in vanilla, not with mods & unofficial patches haha.
Honestly it still cracks me up that reviews back then made that seem like some big moral dilemma hahah..it's as simple as it comes, it's like crayon drawings compared to new Vegas' complex moral arithmetic
"I like hiking, but only if there's a pub lunch at the end" yo Jane don't call me out like that.
Fun fact: The morality system in the original Metro was so misunderstood, that a majority of players got the bad ending, so the devs made that the canon ending for the sequel.
The bad ending is literally the ending of the book which Metro 2033 adapts.
They just went with the book adaptation for the ending, cause there’s no way they could make the future titles work with the harmony ending.
Was wondering why Andy wasnt doing the rdr2 one, then realized the mention of bailing out Micah wouldn't have been a short snide comment. It would've been a rant that took up half the video
Even though it's probably not going to happen, I'm still hoping he returns to Morgan Mondays...
half?? pfft...
14:09 *Ellen:* I wonder if that works in real life. I've got a lot to make up for. _~casual ukulele playing~_
*Andy:* Wow, you're... really playing a long time there. What did you do?
*Ellen:* _~ukulele playing intensifies~_
*Andy:* _What did you do?!_
*Ellen:* _~intense playing continues, cannot hide haunted look in eyes~_
That second "WHAT DID YOU DOOO?" got me!
What could Ellen have done? Someone ask Luke.
Why are you all looking at me like that?
Oh? Oh. Oh!
That introverts joke was golden, like the silence that it offered :D
No, no, no there wasn't a full moment of silence there. As an introvert I feel lied to, so the karma scale is now defiantly in the negative.
It demonstrates the mispreception extroverts have regarding introverts.
I love how Jane and Mike keep finding ways of including VTMB into the channel, I really hope they get the sequel they deserve finally
In the Metro games, karma isn't what we expect it to be here in the real world. It's Artyom experiencing what gave our human culture meaning before and after the bombs fell. To interact with these instruments isn't to make your cosmic karma better, it's to bring Artyom closer to humanity. That's what the dark ones are looking for in him, that he isn't a monster too
I think it's more that the music raises the spirits of those around you that causes the karma to rise.
People give the dancing in Bloodlines a lot of guff, but I think those people just haven't been to enough goth clubs. Dancing animations were spot on!
hahahaha.
Also 'Smaller God' by Darling Violetta remains a banger!
Or any dance club really.
In kotor 1, on Korriban, you can gain a few lightside point when three Sith officers ganging up on you by telling a joke that is incredibly offensive to Mandalorians. Seriously cracked me up.
Um, yes, because it helps you blend in with them and thereby avoids a violent outcome of the encounter, not because telling the offensive joke as such was a good deed.
@@chrisrudolf9839Yeah, I dunno about that bud. If I said the N word, but just to blend in at a Klan rally, I don't think that excuse would fly.
@@evanholt1752you guys are doing it just to blend in?
@@chrisrudolf9839 You should gain light side points for confronting racists, not joining them
@@gabeparks8173 I mean, not wrong, but in this case it's kinda vital that you blend in so you can infiltrate their headquarters undetected.
0:17 "make up for MissDeeds with good deeds" - I see you Jane, making us work for your wrongdoings :)
9:06 It only took 8 years, but they finally made a single mistake! Amazing, can't believe I was here to witness them calling 3, 4!
Wait, shoot, what's the easiest way to increase my karma from making a sarcastic comment on a youtube video?
.... Liking a comment? Well, guess I'll like my own!
(but fr tho, amazing and hilarious as always. Now back to delving into the past 5 years of OXbox/tra content)
The dancing actually makes sense. They're trying to retain their humanity, not be a good person.
In Shadowrun Returns there's a houseless guy who the cops kicked out of the alley he was living in because it's a crime scene, and they won't let him get back in to get his stuff. If you get into the crime scene you can get good karma for grabbing his stuff, which is all well and good, but you don't get good karma for *giving his stuff back*. So you could just take his stuff and leave and according to the game that's the right thing to do.
I have one.
Fallen London has a loophole you can use to reduce Suspicion or Scandal. A challenge will sometimes appear that lets you transfer some of the negative Karma to another player on your friends list - as in, frame another player for your crimes. Why use a friend as a scapegoat? Simple, doing so lets that friend do the same to you! (This is Fallen London, nobody is truly innocent in this game, and there are also a few quests that let you collaborate with friends, compete with them, or send them gifts.) The loophole, however, is a simple one - create a second account, and use that account as the scapegoat. No rule that says you can't do that, and it is a way to reduce both with no real risk to the main account.
Like a kid blaming it on their imaginary friend!
@@TheHopperUK Except they exist and might get back at you later.
All the time I've spent playing Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines and I didn't know that dancing restored humanity.
I'm sorry, do you mean "Vampire Colon The Masquerade Dash Bloodlines"? 😂
it is supposed to be an easter egg :D
Kinda off topic but I'm reminded of my brother playing evil in Fable and the crowd cheering while he "cheers" in the square but run screaming away right after
It's interesting because in the Dresden files books the main character Harry does some... things that affect his soul and discovers that learning the guitar is one of the activities that fixes the damage.
Fable 3 letting you donate to the Treasury to give yourself some good karma is a good one, but I'll raise you fable 2 lowering rent giving you purity.
What could the Devs mean by this?
It's necessary though, as you'll be burning through that purity every time you use a consumable that isn't vegan. Who knew that a strict diet of murder and cheese for a week or so is enough to look like a desiccated vampire?
15:38
So she's a vampire. That explains why she hasn't aged a day in the like...long time I've been following this channel.
I like to think of RDR2's greeting mechanic as "Old-timey social media".
You get a like for positive remark, negative thumbs down for a bad one. And if you just pull up your mask, you can be a nasty, anonymous troll.
Then ride off into the sunset, leaving a trail of needlessly negative energy.
We've come so far since then.
The mask never did seem to work, no marter what, mask or no mask, i always had bounty hunters after me
Ellen + Ukulele = Good times. Andy offscreen was the icing on that delicious cake.
9:10 think you got the wrong fallout.
Beat me to it.
FOUR !!!
Was just about to say that
That second “what did you DO?!” got me good. Love these videos
I like Jane's policy on when to take hikes.
If only atonement were this easy for Egbert to have found.
Fallout: New Vegas has killing Fiends as it’s too easy karma gain. Fighting raiders blitzed out of their gourds may not sound all that easy, but with how prolific they are, the fact that they attack on sight, and how much karma gain they give, (+100 each), it’s genuinely more challenging to maintain evil karma while strolling through their turf. Plus, being able to make up for any and every mortal sin possible by just killing 20 more people is a bit surreal if you ask me.
Yeah, you need to steal a LOT of forks to make up for fighting raiders
Laughs in disguise mods
Mgs v the phantom pain. The Infinite heroism rat glitch. Yeah all those rats makes up for my war crimes
I would boost good karma on infamous by just running at NPCs until they briefly fell over, then use pulse heal to 'revive' them even though they were totally fine
In road 96 there’s a hidden karma mechanic, steal more and you’ll get a lower chance to successfully complete a RNG prompt.
Pay for a $3 fortune at the end of each run to raise it again. And unless your run is money based, you’ll probably do this as there’s not much else to spend your money.
Ellen's referencing Gone Fishing's "And away..." is definitely worth several points on the karma meter, put a big ol' grin on my face it did.
It's not quite the same, but Dwarf Fortress players make similar jokes about how a dwarf's morale is determined. Example from the TV Tropes page:
"Kol Tölunimush has been ecstatic lately. He killed somebody by accident while sparring recently. He took joy in slaughter lately. He has lost a lover to tragedy lately. He has witnessed death. He had a satisfying sparring session recently."
Skyrim Fishing callback was sweet, “And away” 🥰 [1:58]
8:45 I come for the fun video game lists, I stay for biting satire
I remember feeling a bit annoyed with that one choice in Infanous, mainly because they were unnecessarily presenting it as an either/or when there was an obvious middle ground. I can take ALL the food to feed my family or let other people take it all. Why can’t I just take one or two crates to feed my family and leave the rest for the other people?
man I think infamous was the first game I played that had a karma system, and I always found it funny how even if you had true goody two shoes karma, if you go selfish and keep the power near the end, you still get the worst karma with black red powers
in my defense... why did they make the evil powers cool? it was so much more fun to play as
In the real world, being a landlord is a surefire way to LOSE good karma.
"Penance ukulele" is going into the journal today.
In the first Mass Effect there’s a quest with a bugged conversation that allows you to pick either the Paragon or Renegade option repeatedly until you’ve maxed out the meter, or even both if you have enough points in both to have both options available
Looks like Ellen already gave us the first for "7 suspiciously easy ways you got evil karma in real life"
Playing Wonderwall in the presence of people
Guess I wasn't over-exposed to it, still like that song.
15:38 The sass on that "whoops" from Jane 🤣👏👏
Ah, the ukulele of untold undemption(tm). Classic. Makes a great set with the trumpet of total trustworthiness, the recorder of relationship retention and the piano of positive prospect.
Ironically the main reward for good Karma in Fallout 3 was an unnamed lady running up to you in Megaton to hand you random snacks and ammo for being her hero. So if you blow up Megaton and decide to become good afterward... Same thing for being evil. Some nameless guy in Paradise Falls gives you the same kind of gifts for being an inspiration and icon of evil. If you decide that Paradise Fall's isn't your brand of evil, destroying it eliminates the only guy that worships you.
You could get Pikachu to max friendship in Pokémon Yellow by trying to use a potion with full HP. Pikachu's friendship is increased by the act of giving the potion, but the potion isn't consumed. Repeat 255 times and you'll max it out!
Oh my god, it's the return of "and away..."!
Yes! The best bit!
Not sure if it counts or not, but in Baldur's Gate 3, the newspaper is just absolutely bent on slandering you and making everyone hate you. You can, at one point, get into the basement (with the aid of LOT of invisibility potions and a very high sleight of hand) and replace the headline and article with "The Cutest Cat In The World" and everyone forgets they hated you and stop talking smack about you constantly.
You can even abuse the fishing system: By standing close to a rock while fishing, releasing the fish will result in a perfect fish and positive karma.
In inFAMOUS 2 there's an entire side mission that's just hearing what someone has to say. She explains her mother was in the first game's city and either lived or starved based on your current karma then walks away after either kissing or slapping you.
Metro and Vampire aren't really about karma: Metro is about proving you're more than a scrabbling, hating beast. It can be rather counterintuitive, as often you feel like you're on a timer, but the game wants you to enjoy this concert to prove to yourself there's still good in the world.
Vampire is all about retaining your humanity and not becoming a monster. While doing good deeds can do this, so can just being a person and dancing with other people.
“And away….!” I GET THAT REFERENCE!
Talking about suspiciously easy ways to get good karma while wearing that For Everyone shirt is just on the nose enough to make me chuckle
12:26 seriously underrated? Tarzan's soundtrack got SO MANY AWARDS! It's widely known as being amazing and, according to Wikipedia, "the album was a major comeback for Phil Collins, and put him back in the public eye". South Park even made a full episode to attack Phil Collins because they didn't win an Oscar with their movie's soundtrack! It's not underrated, it's just kind of forgotten after 25 years.
Yet several of The Lion King songs are much more easily remembered and referenced.
@@ieasy12 and how does this have anything to do with what I said? Hahahaha Just because The Lion King has a terrific soundtrack as well it doesn't change the fact that "underrated" is not a good word to define Tarzan's soundtrack
Jane described karma as a "cool concept".
However, i think it was Boy George who described it as a Chameleon.
Which is why he thought it was okay to chain up a guy in his basement. It was only camouflaged as bad karma.
The 'good v bad' karma from being a landlord is 1:1 regardless of financial impact, so removing rent from low income houses while jacking up prices on businesses (which usually have the highest returns), you get good karma, while getting the most money.
I mean, in the tabletop rpg Vampire: The Masquerade, you more or less retained humanity after doing heinous stuff by… feeling bad about it
Like in real life, being able to rationalize heinous action is the best way to end up a monster - but of course in Vampire you have... alternative moral systems
I really thought Red Dead was going to be about brushing, feeding, and patting your horse. In Red Dead Online I find it hard to have bad karma even when I’m actively trying to.
That's kinda like with the story. You sorta have to actively be a bad person to get Low Honor. Which was always funny to me when I seen people get the canonically "bad ending" for having low honor then getting upset with how the game ended.
One thing I find very funny regarding Mani wheels, is the fact that they were made as a cheat code regarding prayers.
You could spend a few minutes reciting a long prayer and honor the gods you praise, or you could spin this wheel with all the prayers already written down and be on your way.
It's would be like having a Christian Priest slapping you with a Bible and then going "You are forgiven"
"That money was resting in your account for a long time, wasn't it, Ted"
You guys are truly a comfort channel. I cycle through tons of TH-camrs but you guys are a consistent mainstay. Video games are so intertwined childhood, it feels nice to reinvest in it as an adult so it feels a little less superfluous compared to some other hobbies (I say as a collector of hobbies)
loving the outside xbox progress pride shirt
The reputation system in Fallout: New Vegas makes equally little sense: the two major factions are perfectly happy to forgive you for nuking them just because you reached the right point in the story.
As a certain Irishman demonstrated thoroughly.
8:35 Fable 3 - Or, with being a landlord, exit the game, modify your xbox console clock to many years in the future, load up your save, and heaps of money for you.
Mike will never atone for his misdeeds against Miss Deeds.
And yet in the Baldur's Gate trilogy it takes 1000gp donation to a temple (even an evil one, for some reason) to raise your reputation by 1 point. I think we're getting gouged.
Appreciate the "Gone Fishing" refrence by Ellen.
Could've gotten a bonus point by "doing a Mortimer" and suddenly fallen over😂
I was lucky enough to befriend another player who basically approached me and donated what I can only assume was three real-life years worth of end-game, maxed-out property revenue. While I was still in the first half of the game. I, in turn, invested that to the point where, when I finally beat the game, I managed to get both the Magnate Personality and Tough Love achievements.
Inn real life unsolicited playing of stringed instruments nets you negative karma
Anyway, here's Wonderwall
9:08 Jane says Fallout 4 but it's Fallout 3
Outside Xbox and outside Xtra, your 7 videos have always been a source of happiness and relaxation for me. Whenever I feel down and anxious I look forward to your next 7 list video. Your videos' pace and uplifting tone always cheers me up. Thank you.
You'll need a long ukulele session to atone for the ukulele playing. But then you'd need an even better one for that... are we approaching the Uke Apology Singularity?
Damned Walter...he always got "lost" in the "Space Between the Worlds" for me whenever I wanted to drop off scrap metal. In Megaton specifically, the NPCs could slip into an "alternate" world and be absent from town but not deceased...you could get them back, but it took slipping between the worlds yourself and chasing them back to Megaton (in actuality, they'd end up in the mostly featureless expanse that you could access by leaping *over* the Megaton walls while not actually leaving via the actual exit); you had to locate them (almost always near the school that's a short distance from town) and either push them back (difficult since they didn't really respond to that and there are plenty of holes to fall in) or pull out a gun and "entice" them to run back to town (this may take a while and, if you're not careful, they can run in another direction)...this second option works better, but it does have the side effect of making the townsfolk a little upset with you, though (which is mitigated by immediately leaving again once the townie has been verified as returning and letting the heat die down for several days).
SMT Strange Journey. Before the alignment lock, you can help a goblin dig a hole a bunch and turn your alignment to Law no matter how much Chaotic stuff you got up to.
All I know is, atonement begins with an apology.
No, it begins with "atone"... because that's the spelling...ok, I'll see myself out.
@@TinKnight I was about to go with, "Actually, I think 'atonement' begins with 'a'." But that works too.
Eggbert: OH!
RDR2 - Always hit 'em with the "Greet, Greet, Antagonize" 😂
8:09 - one might say that the money is just resting in your sanctuary.
The genuine joy of Ellen saying "and away". 😁👌
So happy to see the Oxventure uke featured in another video, though I guess it’s the ‘Penance ukulele’ now, lol
"Phil Collins Tarzan soundtrack was underrated." *Me, who remembers it absolutely cleaning up awards that year.* You sure about that? 😅
It did get awards, but man, it sure gets easily overshadowed by The Lion King, Mulan, and other contemporaries.
@@michaelandreipalon359Toy Story js
I can already hear Andy's facepalm when Jane said Fallout 4
Introverts aren't against socializing. They just don't like dealing with crowds.
Tbh as a rural american it is just common decency to greet every person you catch eyes with lol moving to the city was wild for me
hahaha.
If you live in a small community it is weird not to acknowledge and say hello to others. If you live in a large place it is weird if you acknowledge the people around you. 😁
I lived for a bit on what used to be a separate town that later became part of an expanding city and it was interesting to still see the occasional random stranger politely saying good morning when also passing by a dozen other people just minding their business.
In Fable 1 you got good karma (and lowered your fat level!) by eating tofu, so having a pocket full of that stuff could be a quick fix for any "misdeeds" you might have performed, such as opening the stone door that required you to perform something truly evil in front of it. For that, the easiest way was to chomp down on a disturbingly large number of live chickens (tbh, any number above 0 is disturbing IMO) followed by a nice cleansing detox of a ton of tofu.
The Fable games are weird.
Ghost Rider would be a very different character if he was wielding a penance ukulele...dammit now i have an idea for a warlock/bard.
Releasing fish back into the water.
My mind: "and away..."
Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 also let you gain karma (reputation) by donating to temples. Other way was easier though, just by having certain people in your party your rep would go down. Sword Coast was even less tolerant before BG3...
The ukulele was either the worst or best choice to make for that joke.
What did Ellen do to need atonement?
Merilwen's Meatgrinder springs to mind.
15:42 That was no accident Jane...
Garrus, Joker and Jack be like: "Still a better dancer than Shepard."
How you keep yourself human in Bloodlines is actually how i do it irl
1:55 Mortimer and Whitehouse: Gone Fishing?
Will I give this video a like?
Certainly, madam. Here you are.
Damn right that Phil Collins Tarzan soundtrack is amazing.