Joe Rogan On The Greatest Stoic, Marcus Aurelius
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Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, Seneca, these men changed my life and have given me immeasurable strength.
Agreed. Socrates, too!
@@atalantiesoterica4061 absolutely
Gaius Musonius Rufus is another great one.
Seneca is brilliant, try tacitus
What works from them do you recommend
“Stop talking about being a good man and be a good man.
If it’s not true don’t say it.
If it’s not right don’t do it.”
- Marcus Aurelius
What do you mean by good man
@@charnjitsingh3365 You’re not that clueless, Cliff. Stop being an obtuse contrarian, and pull your head out of your cloaca.
Or just obey your local laws and suggestions, and pray to Crom for guidance…
Tool.
@@charnjitsingh3365 I think the actual quote is "Stop talking about what it means to be a good man, and be a good man."
@@Mattias125 good man!
Advice women will never hear or understand. 😂
He has an entire passage about the difficulty in getting up in the morning, and how he convinces himself to leave the comfort of his bed. It is humbling to read the unfiltered thoughts of such a great man and realize he went through many of the same struggles and insecurities I face on a daily basis.
He doesnt really talk how its so hard to wake up, he just says that should you even be thinking about how uncomfortable it is to rise from your own bed if your purpose is much greater. You make it sound like he had depression
What book is that? From Meditations?
@@TheLegggend27 yeah. But if you never read Stoic literature before it might be a bit tough to follow along since it often calls on older stoic works and doesn't give much explanations.
Meditations were originally just a bunch of notes Marcus Aurelius wrote for himself.
I'd recommend you start with something like "Of human freedom" by Epictetus
Gives a better understanding of what stoicism is and then in Meditations you can see how Marcus Aurelius applied those philosophies throughout his life
@@PeoplecallmeLuciferwow. That's a really helpful and informative TH-cam comment . It's such a great comment it makes me want to call you something racist
@@ClaytonBigsby01 it do be like that, don't it
*People don't understand.*
He was the most powerful man in the world at the time, who could have as many women he wanted, could drink as much as he wanted to, could feast as much as he wanted to, and could indulge in every single pleasure known to mankind at an unlimited amount.
Yet, he embodied self control.
To not recklessly indulge in one's desires.
To be a good ruler, whether in sickness or health.
To listen to the needs of the ignorant, uneducated, needy, greedy and emotional, and to do so with respect for each who came to stand before him.
If nothing else, he understood that his duty to the world was far more important than any of his own individual desires.
Thats not true at all, not being a strong, wise and competent emperor was a death sentence in Rome, the senators, the people but mostly the Praetorian Guard was known to kill bad and incompetent emperors (sadly the traitors sometimes killed great emperors too) so yeah his title required him to be who he was.
You’ve took that quote straight from a lecture on TH-cam
@@Ck2noi1I realized that
@@sultankebab1587where the hell did he even talk about that Marcus Aurelius was incompetent?
I think it is more about that indulging in all those human desires, doesn’t provide you happiness. Sure it may make you happy for a certain amount of time, but in the long run it makes you feel empty. And listening to everyone, no matter their ideas is rightful and respectful.
- He lead battles to protect and defend the Empire
- He had real bad health issues
- Many of his children died
- His wife also died
- He was surrounded by corrupt and endlessly ambitious people, who indulged in the pleasures that he, as an emperor, could have indulged in
- He saw many die in war, obviously
- He had to deal with his empire facing natural disasters like floods
- His father died when he was 3
- He never wanted to become an emperor, yet he was crowned as an emperor by Hadrian, and, despite hating his life for the hand that fate dealt him with, he set his interests aside to be a good leader.
- His close friend Avidius Cassius turned on him, staged a revolt against him and declared himself Caesar in an attempt to overthrow him, yet Aurelius only ordered for him to be captured but not killed
- He had to battle the plague (sickness) that was destroying Roman populations
And under all that, he stayed virtuous.
soiticism has completely changed my life, everyone needs to discover it
Honestly, I think we should campaign for something like "Of human freedom" by Epictetus to be required reading for teenagers!
(Meditations are good but a bit too complex to begin with IMO)
Stoicism is the pillar and foundation of masculinity.
I spent my 20s and early 30s depressed and anxious on meds that made no difference. I’m now a 43 year old with no depression or anxiety and on no medication all thanks to the teachings of people like Marcus Aurelius. The man’s a legend, still changing lives nearly 2000 years after he died.
"Don't talk about it, be about it," the stoics, probably
What do you mean probably? That's exactly what they said, but in different words brother. You got it.
All these guys today that are teaching us how to be, or how to be successful are repeating things that were said long ago. Nothing new under the sun.
@@padraig5335precisely. I do believe people need to know where what they believe and live by actually came from.
None of this wisdom will be taught in schools. And it won’t be in most colleges as well. That’s the real kicker.
It's beyond sad that it's not taught. I think if it were taught in schools from elementary up...and especially in high school and college, it could make a massive impact on children's behavior.
There are ways to break his teachings down to a child's level.
Just goes to show the "powers that be" don't want values taught in public schools. 😔
In most European school systems this is taught during philosophy classes.
It used to be. Then they cut the Latin and German programs. Replaced by fucking Mandarin Chinese. A society that caved to the Communists and are shit today.
Not every colllege class is gonna include a philosopher
And it is far less likely you'll learn from Emerson or Hume. I would prefer that tbh. I think people would benefit most from a rural/nomadic upbringing, training hard and learning how to defend themselves from a young age and facing the kind of struggles that are the most edifying. We have brilliant and AI now. Who needs school? Seriously.
Nothing screams Joe Rogan more than listening to Meditations in audiobook form in the sauna.
Marcus Aurelius died in 180 AD, 1,843 years ago, and his book is still relevant today. We are fortunate that Meditations wasn't destroyed, like he wanted it to be after his death.
Much like The Art of War.
Marcus is the reason I learned how to control my emotions enough to survive what i have. I'd hate to think how much worse off I'd be if i hadn't ever read about his teachings. ❤
OMG … exactly what I was thinking ✊👌
"Only the disciplined ones are free in life, if you are undisciplined then you are a slave to your freedoms."
The trippy thing about it is that he was only preaching to himself. His meditations were never meant to be read by us. But thank God we found them cause God knows they’ve been extremely helpful to me.
I’ve been reading all of this Stoicism too. What an incredibly stark difference between a leader with such a moral compass than what we are dealing with today.
I know someone else who was preaching about forgiveness and self control 2000 years ago who was the most powerful man in the world.
Yes, but people prefer to cast their pearl before swine.
Happiness in your life depends on your quality of thoughts ~ marcus aurelius
These writings would’ve helped me a lot when I was a teenager. They still help me now but they would’ve really made a difference back then.
This is Philosophy. It’s about doing the right thing always, but recognizing we’re all human as well. Stoicism is a way of life for all of us. This is a win for the guys in the world. Thank you #ryanholiday for all your efforts it’s helped so many of us🙏🏽
Stoicism has saved my life 🎉
How? Explain.
‘What stands in the way becomes the way’
The contrast from Epictetus to Marcus and their relatability is profound , the common ground we all share is our philosophy toward life. Stoicism is in my opinion the virtuous path.
Stoicism helped me to control my anxiety
I highly recommend to read or listen to Seneca, Marcus Aurelius and Epictetus
Ryan Holiday has entered the chat.
Lmao
You have a power inside your mind not outside events realize this and you will find strength.
Reject the sense of injury and the injury itself disappear.
You can be good today but instead you choose tomorrow.
-Marcus Aurelius
-Marcus Aurelius
He truly is one kf the most reall people to ever exist
"A rational being's good is unselfishness." -Marcus Aurelius
Epictetus was also brilliant.
Ya I wish ppl would pick up epictetus or seneca instead of focusing on one journal by an emperor
@@MidwestDan nothing is wrong with reading meditations tho, they are ALL good. People should read all of them if they can, but if they were to choose just one i see no reason not to pick marcus’.
@@owentustin-fuchs6203 ya I have no problem with meditations. It's just interesting to see ppl completely overlook the volumes from seneca and the life of epictetus. The enchiridion is a very quick easy read for beginners
@@MidwestDan I love Seneca
Epictetus was born a slave, worked for his freedom and would converse with Marcus Aurelius.
Also not having to have an opinion on everything. That lesson alone made my life so much better.
Forgiveness is an act of love
He came after The Year of 4 Emperors, which occurred at 69 AD. This means he lived less than 2000 years ago. Still, he was very wise
He died in 180 or 1843 years ago
Was looking for a comment like this lol~~ The moment one guy said "more than 2k years ago".... i was like nope thats wrong. Glad to see other listeners know its wrong too.
@@valrose6083We ain't all meatheads.
Vespasian came after the year of the 4 emperors. Then you have the rest of the Flavian dynasty and then the Nerva-Antonine dynasty (Trajan, Hadrian etc) before you get to Marcus Aurelius.
The very fact that average people have access to information like what exists in Meditations and other books means there is hope for humanity. And even if they burn those books, the ideas live in our minds and we can share them.
This man has saved my life. Even when I go to Italy and see statues of him, I pay my respects and quietly tell him thank you.
I listened to it in the sauna lol
I laughed at that too
The irony of that comment 👨🏼🍳 💋👌🏼
It applies to all walks of life no matter what year or century. That’s philosophy for u . Ideas and perfection of them for the greater good of mankind and one’s self importance. It’s fluid so if u have a better idea it can be replaced or tweaked to fit over what was originally the best known way w an idea. Philosophy created law morals and ethics. Vs religion being the ruler especially in a government or country is its downfall as it’s not changeable and it’s a beliefs not an idea. Man kills and dies blindly over beliefs but can sit with fellow man and debate ideas. Oriental, Greek and Roman philosophy is still here today because it applies still today
This is good stuff. The power of forgiveness from a man, a leader, from 2000 yrs ago. Profound.
Yes i listen to it everymorning. Its good if you get to caught up in caring what other people think of you
Stoicism is the way❤
I love The Meditations. Seneca and his letters to Nero on clemency are amazing
Praise Marcus! In the name of the Emperor, and the Highest Power! Praise Marcus!
Perhaps one of the reasons for him speaking out on self control was to prevent people from fighting and injuring others and to teach building skills to men
Spot on… I just started 75 hard today and this is the first book that I am reading.
Marcus Aurelius rules he was pure consciousness despite his position
I’ve recently come to believe that those in the highest positions can practice piety just the same as those in the lowest positions, both experiencing the same, genuine freedom 😌
Not sure piety is the right word
@@hazeshi6779 it is
Yet his son was so messed up. Curios why …
@Jlme2023 it's an enigma. And he was a disaster but it's context, he did lose family to chose from to take over particularly during the pandemic
I listened to it in the sauna. Yup times are hard indeed
One should also appreciate that he wrote these meditations only for him to read.
Aurelius was the best version of himself even when nobody was watching.
His commitment is undeniable. The man himself actually joined our podcast and has shown us a way into his thinking. The time capsule chamber is doing wonders!
I started by listening as an audio book, but I had to read it word to word. Good book.
"I listened to it in the sauna"
-Wow!
-It's so powerful!
Probably the ultimate self help book, if you could call it that. Helped me immeasurably when my Dad died.
Now all the sudden Rogaine is an expert on stoicism.
Best book ever!
Awesome book!
I love that he says I’ve been reading …and then says i listen to it….sorry to be the stick but that’s not the same.
Brendan Schaub is just grasping for straws in this clip LMFAO!
The philosepher king🙌
Read about "CHANAKYA" ONE OF GHE GREAT INDIAN PHILOSOPHERS 🧡
Henwas the definition of a true leader
Imagine you write something that people still read 2000 years later, that’s absolutely mind blowing
If I'm not mistaken he didnt preach teachings in his book as they were his personal notes which he never intended for anyone to ever read
It’s incredible how many words they use but how little they actually say. The most I’m getting from this is “wow it is 2000 years old and he was the most powerful man in the world”
The words of Jesus blows all philosophers away.
Isn't it strange how no one tries to say this man didn't exist, or that his teachings were detrimental when he lived the same time Jesus did, and taught the same things. Ugh the ego people have. We have pretty solid evidence that both of them walked the earth historically
No, we don't.
I’ve been looking for a comment like this…everyone’s so impressed by one guy who lived about 2,000 years ago, yet ignore Christ’s existence……..about 2,000 years ago.
@Joyfilled or Harry potters
@@Joyfillied who ignores it? Christianity is the largest religion in america. Possibly even the world. The problem is we are expecting to have faith and give in to the religious wholeheartedly whereas with the Meditations you just read and admire.
If the bible was preached so much maybe many of us of be more inclined to reading it. I know i would. There are a lot of great teachings in the bible but also in Stoicism.
@@sinfulpsyche: apathetic believers, pastors who don’t dedicate themselves to abiding in Christ hour by hour (not saying we can’t slip - there’s grace. Just that we shouldn’t abuse said grace & become apathetic through the neglect of our studying the Word & relationship with our Lord), every religion that attempts to “coexist” with Christianity, atheists…to ignore means to “Refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally. Fail to consider (something significant).” and/or to reject as groundless. Most people who claim to be Christian ignore Christ…most who reject Christ also ignore Christ - some who reject Him pay more attention than those who claim His name and discard it. It’s not a problem to “expect to have faith and give in wholeheartedly” to the Lord…He commands our all, so we should “do our best” (human language - I don’t know how else to phrase it right now) to give into He who created us, and do so wholeheartedly.
That’s convicting, yes. Maybe if the Bible were preached without heretical editing, more would be inclined to read it…but thankfully the Lord doesn’t work with “maybe if”, and works with what IS. Willing and adoring hearts, no matter how few…hard hearts that can be chiseled into whatever He desires - or softened…Did you know He can use 300 cowards to defeat a full-sized army? Or 3 men in a fire to convince a wicked king that the Lord is King above all kings? And did you know that the God of the Old Testament is the same in the New Testament - and today? Search for sound teaching and you’ll find it…might I suggest Eric Ludy? He preaches on the Bible faithfully. God bless you!
Gandhi
Jesus (His teachings not Christianity itself)
Buddha
Confucius
Socrates
Marcus Aurelius
Albert Camus
These people changed my life
Stoic made me wise
Just so that you know, there were more powerful people than marcus Aurelius at that time. Leaders who had bigger empires, gold, military etc. For example the sathavahanas had military in 100 thousands, elephants etc.
I dont like how Joe Rogan isn't honest with himself or the audience. He literally said "im reading this book" then seconds later "i was listening to it in the sauna"... these two things are vastly different. I encourage people to actually read texts. It is far more in depth and far more an excersize for the brain. You're missing out alot of the context and value by just listening. When you actually read, you absorb quite alot more. Joe rogans life is all about shortcuts. He's blessed in the position he is in now, but he doesn't even take it seriously. Alot of good things come out of the mans mouth, though some you have to realize he's still learning even for his age. Smoking weed to cope with your stress and anger, for instance, is the opposite of a Stoic. He can't control his habits, just like he can't control his focus to actually read a book.
Agree, but "a lot" are two separate words. "Alot" does not exist.
what episode is this
my favorite qoute from stoicism is
"Don't borrow suffering from the future"
(something like that)
People genuinely need to read historians such as plutarch, herodotus, sallust etc
“It’s insane”
Shaaaab
Marcus Aurelius was one of the five good emperors.
The Roman Empire and stoicism. Little did Marcus know that he hit the 2020s internet algorithm jackpot
He took Shrooms Joe I would like to believe that etc but imagine 😤⚡️💪🏽🗣️😮💨
I don't know why I cracked up laughing when Joe said 'I listen to it in the sauna' so fucking random 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
At least Joe reads something more edifying than stuff about ancient aliens.
"Withhold pleasure from yourselves", said the king to his followers. 😂
Yes!!
I want to watch the full version, how can I find ? Which episode is this ?
Facts.
Why does Bryan Callen out of all people sound like Jordan Peterson lmaoo 😂
Joe "I listened to it in the sauna" Rogan
I judge you unfortunate because you have never lived through misfortune. You have passed through life without an opponent-no one can ever know what you are capable of, not even you. -SENECA
He was brilliant. His son however is a different story.
I love the stoics. And love seeing how they’ve changed lives. Can’t wait til ya’ll find Jesus. Big journeys ahead men!
Rich man's philosopher🍷
I listened to it in the Sauna. By Marcus Aurelius himself.
History do repeat
Men, you’ve all heard that old saying “men live lives of quiet desperation.” If you’ve ever felt that way, please do yourselves a favor and read some of the great works on the philosophy of stoicism, which other commenters have mentioned. It’s not some self-help bible, it’s not some Andrew Tate pyramid scheme, it’s none of that.
It will simply teach you to be content in negative emotions, as to not let them control you or your actions.
I’ve never met a person whose read some of these works and not been profoundly moved and positively impacted by them.
I just got Meditations off of Amazon I can’t wait to crack it open
That guy sounds like J.P
Yeah bro
It was less than 2000 years ago. He was emporer from 161 to 180 AD
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Blocked bec of rogan
My channel for the teachings of everybody
most powerful man of which world...
The. Prophet has all these qualities.
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Whats happened to peterson ?
Benzoa fried his brain
Maybe is just me who thinks about it, but is Marcus becoming the new "Buddha" and the modern stoa is evolving into a new kind of religious momement?