I've had gas stoves and eventually they break down or leak. Then there are the canister stoves and eventually the seal in the canister will leak ( not all the time , only when you really want a hot meal ) and you have nothing to light for a hot meal. The previously mentioned stoves have working parts and like anything mechanical something will break keeping everything else from working , Murphys Law. Next is the dreaded noise and I do not like listing to jet engines when in the peaceful and quiet woods. This brings me to the two types of stoves during my 80 years that I prefer to use. Alcohol , burns clean , nothing to break , no working parts and quiet. Plus if you use food grade alcohol ( Not Denatured ) you can have a 190 proof drink or treat wounds with it. I have burned both but prefer denatured , it costs a lot less. Then there are the wood burners , titanium ones like the Firebox ones. Or stainless like the Solo Stove lite which has the fire self contained in the burn chamber. Both of those will also accept a small alcohol burner giving you a choice of fuel , alcohol or wood. I like both and use the combination because I go slow , stop early and leave late and do not worry about a destination , I go to relax.
Butane is Like Propane, and may FREEZE UP at below 30 Degrees, or a bit before ! I have SEEN that Any Butane Lighter BETTER be NEXT to Your own Body to keep it warm ! WHAT Temperature are you camping in ????? Other than that, Great Show !
On a long trail, you get all range of Temps. The coldest I've been lately is the Arizona Trail, in teens. But I don't eat hot every day even when carrying a stove. But, yes, Temps can be a problem, plus I refill with just butane, no propane mix. But, it works for what I need. Thanks for commenting. Keep Smilin'
@@packtoter So by Your Experience at what Temp will Butane Freeze up ? I am just now trying it. Nice for QUICKLY Heating a Military Canteen cup of water at Nice to cool temp's. Low 50's at a PA high altitude. Colorado WY is not the same.
In NZ, outdoor wood fires are forbidden in all national parks and many other places. I don't get the obsession with speed. To me near-silence is much more important when I'm out in the back country. I hate stoves that sound like jet engines. Gear Skeptic comprehensively proved that boiling slower uses less fuel, the difference between a four day trip and five days in some cases. Eating cold is all very well in summer, but when it's 5 Celsius (40 F) or less, hot food and drink get pretty important, psychologically if for no other reason.
All good points. I don't miss my hot meals when doing long trails, but I am in a different mind set on those hikes. NZ is still on my list of places to hike. Keep Smilin'
I like alcohol. I have a 6 inch fry pan from trangia that's no stick. Pretty nice. 10 dollars. I've made pancakes on it. I'm going to try dehydrating some eggs and blending them into egg powder and then fry them with spam. With alcohol you need a nice close wind screen. The weight is very small unless you are out for a week or something. I'm not into boiling a bag dinner from pinnacle or something. It's about 5 minutes to boil a couple cups of water. I have a gallon of fuel alcohol that cost about 20 dollars. I have larger propane canisters that I'll refill when car camping, not into those little things. Cooking is part of the experience for me. I have way too much time at camp.
@@packtoter I'll keep it in mind, but those cost a lot more, I think. See what it's like using the dehydrator first. That's part of the fun. My own jerky. Stuff like that.
@fire7side I haven't tried dehydrating my own, but Ova is like carrying fresh eggs. Sold my dehydrating equipment. Found i wasn't using it much. Do miss not being able to make hamburger gravel. Keep Smilin'
@@fire7side Ovaeasy Egg Crystals are just that ... Egg Crystals. I use them camping and no one has complained since they are real eggs. I keep a couple of packs here at the house during Hurricane season which in Florida is 6 months long. Power has gone out for weeks at times but we still have fresh scrambled eggs and eggs for any recipe that calls for them with the Ovaeasy Egg crystals. If I don't use them at the house for those 6 months then they go camping with me. That's the other 6 months which is not hurricane season.
When I first started hiking and camping, I was a complete newbie with no reference to ‘standard’ practices. No one to show me the ropes. When a friend who had camping experience joined me for a weekend, I was shocked when she brought out a gas canister, stove and started boiling water. I was wondering why she was carrying so much water. I had never thought about eating hot food or drinking hot drinks whilst being outdoors before. 30 years later and I still mostly drink cold water and eat cold food. I still find it odd watching people go through the hassle of setting up a stove to make a hot drink. All these You Tube videos obsessing about fuel efficiency, how fast it takes X, Y and Z solution to boil water. It only takes me a few seconds to drink cold water, done.
@stevekent3991 Agreed. My experience is just the opposite. Started hot, went cold. But it takes experience to settle in to what you like and what works for you. Thanks for commenting. Keep Smilin'
2 mins in and no hacks… just talking about the problems of a different kind of heat source. I’m out. I would prefer getting to the point faster. Thank you and good luck. 👍🏻
Sorry it bored you. You are probably too advanced for this class. Doing these videos is like teaching in a one room schoolhouse with grades 1 thru 12. Probably a lot of bored students that know the material already. Anyway, I appreciate the feedback. I might be out, too. Keep Smilin'
That fuel filler thing looks interesting. Thank you for the video.
@KathyColorado1 yes, very simple, small, easy to use. Keep Smilin'
I've had gas stoves and eventually they break down or leak. Then there are the canister stoves and eventually the seal in the canister will leak ( not all the time , only when you really want a hot meal ) and you have nothing to light for a hot meal. The previously mentioned stoves have working parts and like anything mechanical something will break keeping everything else from working , Murphys Law. Next is the dreaded noise and I do not like listing to jet engines when in the peaceful and quiet woods. This brings me to the two types of stoves during my 80 years that I prefer to use. Alcohol , burns clean , nothing to break , no working parts and quiet. Plus if you use food grade alcohol ( Not Denatured ) you can have a 190 proof drink or treat wounds with it. I have burned both but prefer denatured , it costs a lot less. Then there are the wood burners , titanium ones like the Firebox ones. Or stainless like the Solo Stove lite which has the fire self contained in the burn chamber. Both of those will also accept a small alcohol burner giving you a choice of fuel , alcohol or wood. I like both and use the combination because I go slow , stop early and leave late and do not worry about a destination , I go to relax.
@@Oldsparkey You know what you like. That's a good thing. Keep on hiking your own hike. Thanks for the comment. Keep Smilin'
Butane is Like Propane, and may FREEZE UP at below 30 Degrees, or a bit before ! I have SEEN that Any Butane Lighter BETTER be NEXT to Your own Body to keep it warm ! WHAT Temperature are you camping in ????? Other than that, Great Show !
On a long trail, you get all range of Temps. The coldest I've been lately is the Arizona Trail, in teens. But I don't eat hot every day even when carrying a stove. But, yes, Temps can be a problem, plus I refill with just butane, no propane mix. But, it works for what I need. Thanks for commenting. Keep Smilin'
@@packtoter So by Your Experience at what Temp will Butane Freeze up ? I am just now trying it. Nice for QUICKLY Heating a Military Canteen cup of water at Nice to cool temp's. Low 50's at a PA high altitude. Colorado WY is not the same.
In NZ, outdoor wood fires are forbidden in all national parks and many other places.
I don't get the obsession with speed. To me near-silence is much more important when I'm out in the back country. I hate stoves that sound like jet engines.
Gear Skeptic comprehensively proved that boiling slower uses less fuel, the difference between a four day trip and five days in some cases.
Eating cold is all very well in summer, but when it's 5 Celsius (40 F) or less, hot food and drink get pretty important, psychologically if for no other reason.
All good points. I don't miss my hot meals when doing long trails, but I am in a different mind set on those hikes. NZ is still on my list of places to hike. Keep Smilin'
I like alcohol. I have a 6 inch fry pan from trangia that's no stick. Pretty nice. 10 dollars. I've made pancakes on it. I'm going to try dehydrating some eggs and blending them into egg powder and then fry them with spam. With alcohol you need a nice close wind screen. The weight is very small unless you are out for a week or something. I'm not into boiling a bag dinner from pinnacle or something. It's about 5 minutes to boil a couple cups of water. I have a gallon of fuel alcohol that cost about 20 dollars. I have larger propane canisters that I'll refill when car camping, not into those little things. Cooking is part of the experience for me. I have way too much time at camp.
@@fire7side Try Ova egg crystals. They are the real deal. Keep Smilin'
@@packtoter I'll keep it in mind, but those cost a lot more, I think. See what it's like using the dehydrator first. That's part of the fun. My own jerky. Stuff like that.
@fire7side I haven't tried dehydrating my own, but Ova is like carrying fresh eggs. Sold my dehydrating equipment. Found i wasn't using it much. Do miss not being able to make hamburger gravel. Keep Smilin'
@@fire7side Ovaeasy Egg Crystals are just that ... Egg Crystals. I use them camping and no one has complained since they are real eggs. I keep a couple of packs here at the house during Hurricane season which in Florida is 6 months long. Power has gone out for weeks at times but we still have fresh scrambled eggs and eggs for any recipe that calls for them with the Ovaeasy Egg crystals. If I don't use them at the house for those 6 months then they go camping with me. That's the other 6 months which is not hurricane season.
When I first started hiking and camping, I was a complete newbie with no reference to ‘standard’ practices. No one to show me the ropes. When a friend who had camping experience joined me for a weekend, I was shocked when she brought out a gas canister, stove and started boiling water. I was wondering why she was carrying so much water. I had never thought about eating hot food or drinking hot drinks whilst being outdoors before. 30 years later and I still mostly drink cold water and eat cold food.
I still find it odd watching people go through the hassle of setting up a stove to make a hot drink. All these You Tube videos obsessing about fuel efficiency, how fast it takes X, Y and Z solution to boil water. It only takes me a few seconds to drink cold water, done.
@stevekent3991 Agreed. My experience is just the opposite. Started hot, went cold. But it takes experience to settle in to what you like and what works for you. Thanks for commenting. Keep Smilin'
2 mins in and no hacks… just talking about the problems of a different kind of heat source. I’m out. I would prefer getting to the point faster. Thank you and good luck. 👍🏻
Sorry it bored you. You are probably too advanced for this class. Doing these videos is like teaching in a one room schoolhouse with grades 1 thru 12. Probably a lot of bored students that know the material already. Anyway, I appreciate the feedback. I might be out, too. Keep Smilin'