My interpretation of “give me a fight to remember” was that maybe the granted wish means Sjur literally cannot forget the fight and that in death, she would. So maybe it’s no longer possible for sjur to truly die, or maybe she will be resurrected as a guardian and get the uldren treatment where her memory is somehow restored.
Did that in a Discord RP server I have. Before doing further research, I already made it established where she was found in a wrecked Awoken fighter. During that point I thought her body was unrecovered. hence the reason for me trying to figure out on how she could speak to the guardian and be a body in a fighter as well. She's a Hunter, (Affinity for Scouting and being reckless later in life) A different Guardian has her Bow but she'll get it back and the Guardian is given an equally destructive Replica. Any help on this is appreciated.
There is also the loretab of the Sleepless rocket launcher where Sjur states that she had a vision about Mara and about herself being either dead or trapped in a labyrinth.
If Sjur does return, alive, one day. It’d be a great plot point for her to become an enemy to Mara. Gaining her trust, only to betray her later. Why would she do this? Being isolated in the Ascendent Plane, it would do things to your psyche. Especially since the Witness and its Taken corrupted the space long ago. It wouldn’t take much, for someone like, Toland the shattered, to guide Sjur out, and twist her mind with lies. Why would Toland manipulate the Queen’s first Wrath? To get him the last Ahamkara egg, destroy the others so we couldn’t use them, and make a wish that has Toland remade whole, as a new Hive God. The darkness aligned Hive, and Hive Gods, all loyal to the Sword, would need a new god to defend and tithe to them, after the eventual death of Xivu. Savathun wouldn’t be willing to help the other Hive. Who else but Toland to claim the thrones of Oryx and Xivu Arath? He’d been corrupted long ago with obsession, and we all know, obession is how the darkness corrupts you, and power, light or dark, corrupts. After the Final Shape, Toland could fill the power vacuum. Not of the Witness, but the two dead siblings. After manipulating the right pieces. A young Whim would be easy to manipulate.
That's a really good lore tab that I hope bungie doesn't forget about. There's the part about Mara and another woman (probably eris) destroying a pyramid, which may have already happened. Then there's also the part at the end where uldren (so probably crow but sjur wouldn't have known that) shows up and says "tropaea" or "tropical". According to Google, tropaea is either a lost ancient Greek town, an Italian slang term for drunkenness, or a Latin word for trophy, nothing that really makes sense to me yet.
I can’t help but wonder, if Sjur may come back one day? If she may somehow return, alive to the Dreaming City. Maybe the next generation of Ahamakara are the key to letting the curse? Mara said it’s impossible. But Guardians have done the impossible before.
@@QueerLamb Maybe. It pains many Guardians, humanity, and probably the Coalition to admit, but without Savathun, we wouldn’t even be alive. Still, she’s a chaotic neutral at best, and at some point, we may have to confront, and completely end her, her brood, and her legacy. Still, I have a feeling the curse she helped implement, may hold deeper secrets. Alive or permanently dead, her plans may still cast a shadow over us.
Hey Byf, I've been looking through a lot of old videos of yours, and I was wondering if you could ever do a series on the mechanics of raid encounters and why/how they help us be victorious
7:35 Since I still have like, 2,000 Baryon Boughs I can still trade with them for charges and tincture. Huginn and Muninn aren't silent. We just aren't necessarily supposed be able to obtain the mats to trade anymore.
Absolutely phenominal voice over in this one!!! The amount of detail you’ve paid to the lore entries and the voices of different entities was so awesome
I think she invoked wish magic when fighting the dragons. Maybe it was even purposeful like Saladin wanting to fight a medieval fire-breathing dragon. I felt like she had to betray her dragon friends, and then being cunning may have betrayed her in their death.
I think that that partial sentence on the Lethophobia has more meaning. "Unless----" Sjur Eido had been around Mara and Riven and both Huginn and Munnin for centuries, she wouldn't be so careless as to give them something they could grasp onto. So I think it was intentional, that that "Unless---" tells the story. I don't know what she did or planned, but I think that whatever it was, its was deliberate.
One thing that I think that we need to remember that wasn't mentioned here was Sjur's own prediction of her own status of not-quite-death. In the "Sleepless" Rocket Launcher lore Tab she tells Mara about a prophetic dream "'...I was dead, I think. [...] Or...trapped? Like in a maze. But pretty close to figuring my way out." In this same dream Sjur predicted Mara destroying a Pyramid ship with Eris, which we know eventually did come true. So I do believe that Sjur is alive somewhere, even if she has been separated from her body in some sense. and I do believe that she will find her way back.
7:43 you can still trade with them if you have the baryon material, I keep old materials for memorabilia, and had some in my inventory a few weeks back.
I cannot see it at betrayal, she made a demand, she betrayed her friends on some orders that were nothing short of disgusting, the Great Hunt is a betrayal. That said the lore tab said the bones were silent, but unlike Byf I can still interact wiith them. The lore about their bones and what actually goes on are two very different things. Shakks skull, silent, the two supposedly silent, yet the lore states the bones can still whisper, grant wishes. We know this because the Vanguard went so far as to completely destroy every piece I still have so many questions now
I think the part of betrayal she felt during the fight is very important. She wouldn't feel betrayed by the two dragons when she literally asked them for a fight. We don't entirely understand, as far as I know, the relationship between the Nine and the Awoken, but I don't see why she would be furious at a betrayal from them if they were invoked via wish magic. It must have been someone she knew turned by the Nine or wish magic to kill her. I wouldn't be too surprised if it was Uldren honestly
I think Sjur was afraid of forgetting her friends. I think she felt guilty that she was going to kill them as part of the great hunt even tho she might not have had a choice, or so she thought. I could easily see her making that wish purposefully as a way of sacrificing herself to both give her friends a chance to live on somehow and maybe give her a chance to come back to life as well
Byf, would you do a summary video going into the Final Shape of the major ongoing story beats for characters like Toland, Osiris, Elsie and the others to help get everyone caught up on the story?
References to mythology in Huginn and Muninn, is valid. But, you also can't ignore the significance of the Weregild too. Present in various mythologies for sure. Placed in the mouth, over the eyes, on the forehead. Paying the boatman for passage in the underworld. I may be getting my mythological wires crossed, but The Styx is only one river, with its own significance. Lethe another, and if I recall a single drop of its waters erases your memory. I guess what I'm trying to say, with the name of the Bow, the Weregild, and the mythological ties, there's big "paying the boatman" vibe. As to where said boatman would take her, who knows.
I really hope Byf sees this cuz I think I'm onto something😂. It seems like there's bits of this explanation that don't quite add up. If Sjur won that fight against Huginn and Muninn, then why would Mara be asking about all 3 of them after a FUTURE fight where Sjur lost and died? In the first lore tab, the messenger specifies that the dragons are dead (implying that they were alive prior to the fight where Sjur died). I think that the fight in the second lore tab is the same fight mentioned in the first lore tab, and a third party (someone sent by the Nine) got involved, and both Sjur AND the dragons died in the fight. This would literally explain everything, and the "betrayal" mentioned in the second lore tab could be Sjur's betrayal of the dragons, or it could be the third party betraying her. And let's say that Sjur didn't succeed in killing the dragons in the second lore tab, and everyone survived that fight, well then the dragons would definitely be excommunicated from the Awoken and Mara wouldn't be actively keeping tabs on them and asking about them randomly when Sjur died. The dragons were clearly directly involved in Sjur's death, and I think this whole explanation tracks every detail.
With respect, there may be another way to interpret the "weregild" bit. While the more literal interpretation stems as "payment for injury" as you stated, weregild has another usage that is more closely aligned with death. Many cultures, not just the Greek with Charon, include the practice of burying bodies with coins as payment for some entity in the afterlife. It's entirely possible that this weregild left by the Nine was a sort of condolence, treating Sjur's body with respect. In the entry "Debt" from Ecdysis, we also learn that Mara has doubts about whether Sjur's death was in fact a murder. The Nine could have been the ones to enact Sjur's wish to Huginn and Muninn, though they may not have been exactly willing actors.
I dont think Sjur would crush their skulls. I think she intentionally opened herself when she says "unless..." it feels like she did not want to fell her friends and quickly thought of a loophole with wish magic to possibly bring them all back at a future time.
Good theory on the wish "give me a fight to remember" But if they gave her that fight she is not dead because remembering means that you are alive, you can only remember something that happened days, months, years ago if you are dead all your memories are gone
A thought I have has to do with the verglas curve Exotic bow, the name of the catalyst quest is knock draw loose quiet and the lore seems to be talking about an archer in a battle
I like your theory about Eido’s inadvertent wish. But I disagree that the Wish-Ender Lore tab is spoken by The Nine. It sounded, when you read it out loud, it sounded remarkably like the way Beowulf or the Icelandic Sagas read. Given the names of the two, I think this was narrated by Huginn and Muninn. It fits with their theme.
Personally Byf I think you misinterpreted it. I think that line break in the third Lore Tab was very telling and indicated that Sjur forgot something. It sounds like she actually made a wish, perhaps to have either false memories implanted or more likely memories removed, but it was twisted to entrap her. After all she remembered something in the middle of the fight and realized she was betrayed right? Ahamkhara don’t really seem to care about dying from what I can tell, so why would they be pleased prior to a potential wish, instead I think it picks up after the wish and that’s why we see the reactions from them that we do. Of course I could be completely wrong as well. I’m not nearly as versed in Destiny’s lore.
I don't need a gaming pc already having one, but its nice to know they wanted and cared to do a partnership. I think the theory is not too far off, the only problem is how long stories in destiny are told, about every other season is related to one bit of the lore of a faction
@@happystate2480 the face flaps are bug, thick plates. And these are clearly teeth tusks. I thought that at first too, but the faceplates are too big, and cover the whole face and jaws.
The betrayal angle is critical. It was Sjur who entered Huginn and Muninn's chambers to kill them, it doesn't make sense why she'd feel betrayed by them. I think it was Skolas who betrayed Sjur.
I’ve always wondered if somehow Mara betrayed her? I know she talks about her with serious fondness, and went to war over her death, but Huginn and Muninn or the Nine don’t seem like they’d get that level of response from her. Maybe I’m just underestimating her ties to those two entities, and maybe she just takes betrayal seriously no matter who from, but it’d be an interesting conversation, either she was led to believe Mara betrayed her, or somehow she did and Mara might feel guilty, simply saw it as necessary due to her clairvoyance at the time. This kinda falls apart if she ever talked to the statue, and already is shaky because the statue exists at all the way it does. But hey, what are theories for right?
None of this makes sense as a betrayal against Sjur... Her killing them seems like a betrayal *BY* Sjur, but that's about it. From the lore it sounds like she fired two arrows before she was killed, likely fatally wounding Huginn and Muninn, and then was killed by someone or something else. To feed into the Wish magic line of thinking, her desire for "...a fight to remember", which was already likely due to her relationship, caused another to act (perhaps uncharacteristically) and betray her, adding a 'shocking twist'.
Blood Price, or Blood Money, paid to do two things simultaneously. 1st Compensation for loss and to pay for appropriate funeral according to station. 2nd Compensation to avert both vengeance from relatives AND from the Gods.
I don't think Sjur was killed by Huggin and munin. She asked for the battle, so using the word betrayed leads me to think it was someone else who killed Sjur.
Am i having Deja Vo or was this video already uploaded earlier this week? Edit: It was uploaded earlier this week, but the sponsorship part had no audio. So they had to take it down
Weren’t we told that Sjur became the messenger for the Nine? I forgot her character name. The Emissary, I believe? Or was that another Awoken character that became her?
Good to know I didn't imagine this video was uploaded previously... Tripped me out when I saw a glimpse of it then tried to find it again a few days later
I have to wonder if Sjur meant different kinds of death. There’s lots of interpretations of it, be it biblical and the 7 kinds of death there, the kind of death that’s implied when the last person says your name. Those kinds of things. I also have to wonder about The Nine. A lot of that strange dialogue could be interpreted not just as bad grammar, but as faulty syntax. Like bad code being interpreted by a machine.
How is she not xur? Straight backed, a strange coin, still alive but body deceased, unable to remember. Sounds like she's Ben given a body by the 9 and serves them since she doesn't remember. Like how 🤔 they even sound the same, especially with the 9 being illiterate they just gave her name back misspelled
Are you unhappy? She was not happy to have to kill them. What story was there that never ended? Al good things come to an end. And can you not tell it again once it is over? Are you sure it is the end. We will be as true and solid as bone, forever. In other words we will never truly die. But what is the truth🤔
“The Nine need to learn what a comma is” should not have made me laugh as much as it did 😅
Byf, you have gotten me through so many hours of paperwork.
Thank you for your service in helping us in our battle with the mundane
My interpretation of “give me a fight to remember” was that maybe the granted wish means Sjur literally cannot forget the fight and that in death, she would. So maybe it’s no longer possible for sjur to truly die, or maybe she will be resurrected as a guardian and get the uldren treatment where her memory is somehow restored.
Did that in a Discord RP server I have. Before doing further research, I already made it established where she was found in a wrecked Awoken fighter. During that point I thought her body was unrecovered. hence the reason for me trying to figure out on how she could speak to the guardian and be a body in a fighter as well.
She's a Hunter, (Affinity for Scouting and being reckless later in life)
A different Guardian has her Bow but she'll get it back and the Guardian is given an equally destructive Replica.
Any help on this is appreciated.
There is also the loretab of the Sleepless rocket launcher where Sjur states that she had a vision about Mara and about herself being either dead or trapped in a labyrinth.
If Sjur does return, alive, one day. It’d be a great plot point for her to become an enemy to Mara. Gaining her trust, only to betray her later. Why would she do this? Being isolated in the Ascendent Plane, it would do things to your psyche. Especially since the Witness and its Taken corrupted the space long ago. It wouldn’t take much, for someone like, Toland the shattered, to guide Sjur out, and twist her mind with lies. Why would Toland manipulate the Queen’s first Wrath? To get him the last Ahamkara egg, destroy the others so we couldn’t use them, and make a wish that has Toland remade whole, as a new Hive God. The darkness aligned Hive, and Hive Gods, all loyal to the Sword, would need a new god to defend and tithe to them, after the eventual death of Xivu. Savathun wouldn’t be willing to help the other Hive. Who else but Toland to claim the thrones of Oryx and Xivu Arath? He’d been corrupted long ago with obsession, and we all know, obession is how the darkness corrupts you, and power, light or dark, corrupts. After the Final Shape, Toland could fill the power vacuum. Not of the Witness, but the two dead siblings. After manipulating the right pieces. A young Whim would be easy to manipulate.
That's a really good lore tab that I hope bungie doesn't forget about. There's the part about Mara and another woman (probably eris) destroying a pyramid, which may have already happened. Then there's also the part at the end where uldren (so probably crow but sjur wouldn't have known that) shows up and says "tropaea" or "tropical". According to Google, tropaea is either a lost ancient Greek town, an Italian slang term for drunkenness, or a Latin word for trophy, nothing that really makes sense to me yet.
@@peteraustin9057 That part was about Mara and Eris. I think it has been confirmed by a report Fenchurch sent to Ikora.
i only just realized that the cutscene we got about taranis gave us a FULL-BODY VIEW of ahamkara
so we know what they fully look like now
I mean they shapeshift so
I can’t help but wonder, if Sjur may come back one day? If she may somehow return, alive to the Dreaming City. Maybe the next generation of Ahamakara are the key to letting the curse? Mara said it’s impossible. But Guardians have done the impossible before.
@@QueerLamb Maybe. It pains many Guardians, humanity, and probably the Coalition to admit, but without Savathun, we wouldn’t even be alive. Still, she’s a chaotic neutral at best, and at some point, we may have to confront, and completely end her, her brood, and her legacy. Still, I have a feeling the curse she helped implement, may hold deeper secrets. Alive or permanently dead, her plans may still cast a shadow over us.
Honestly, I think Mara saying it was impossible was more Bungie saying "That's not what this season is about."
I was just thinking that. What if the new dragons, like their father, kinder, bring her back?
@@FifthHorseman23 That would be a good excuse ngl.
ala saint 14
Hey Byf, I've been looking through a lot of old videos of yours, and I was wondering if you could ever do a series on the mechanics of raid encounters and why/how they help us be victorious
Sick idea
7:35 Since I still have like, 2,000 Baryon Boughs I can still trade with them for charges and tincture. Huginn and Muninn aren't silent. We just aren't necessarily supposed be able to obtain the mats to trade anymore.
Absolutely phenominal voice over in this one!!! The amount of detail you’ve paid to the lore entries and the voices of different entities was so awesome
Hugninn and Muninn represent thought and memory in Norse mythology. It's all linked
you can still trade with huginn and muninn after completing ascendant challenge and weekly mission .
It is worth remembering that Hugin and Munin names translate into “Thought” and “Memory”.
I think she invoked wish magic when fighting the dragons. Maybe it was even purposeful like Saladin wanting to fight a medieval fire-breathing dragon. I felt like she had to betray her dragon friends, and then being cunning may have betrayed her in their death.
I think that that partial sentence on the Lethophobia has more meaning. "Unless----" Sjur Eido had been around Mara and Riven and both Huginn and Munnin for centuries, she wouldn't be so careless as to give them something they could grasp onto. So I think it was intentional, that that "Unless---" tells the story. I don't know what she did or planned, but I think that whatever it was, its was deliberate.
One thing that I think that we need to remember that wasn't mentioned here was Sjur's own prediction of her own status of not-quite-death. In the "Sleepless" Rocket Launcher lore Tab she tells Mara about a prophetic dream "'...I was dead, I think. [...] Or...trapped? Like in a maze. But pretty close to figuring my way out."
In this same dream Sjur predicted Mara destroying a Pyramid ship with Eris, which we know eventually did come true. So I do believe that Sjur is alive somewhere, even if she has been separated from her body in some sense. and I do believe that she will find her way back.
7:43 you can still trade with them if you have the baryon material, I keep old materials for memorabilia, and had some in my inventory a few weeks back.
Thank you for another great video Byf, glad you're feeling better
Sjur would make a great focus for a future Destiny episode
Sjur + Shaxx focused episode yes pls
I cannot see it at betrayal, she made a demand, she betrayed her friends on some orders that were nothing short of disgusting, the Great Hunt is a betrayal.
That said the lore tab said the bones were silent, but unlike Byf I can still interact wiith them.
The lore about their bones and what actually goes on are two very different things. Shakks skull, silent, the two supposedly silent, yet the lore states the bones can still whisper, grant wishes. We know this because the Vanguard went so far as to completely destroy every piece
I still have so many questions now
I think the part of betrayal she felt during the fight is very important. She wouldn't feel betrayed by the two dragons when she literally asked them for a fight. We don't entirely understand, as far as I know, the relationship between the Nine and the Awoken, but I don't see why she would be furious at a betrayal from them if they were invoked via wish magic. It must have been someone she knew turned by the Nine or wish magic to kill her. I wouldn't be too surprised if it was Uldren honestly
I think Sjur was afraid of forgetting her friends. I think she felt guilty that she was going to kill them as part of the great hunt even tho she might not have had a choice, or so she thought. I could easily see her making that wish purposefully as a way of sacrificing herself to both give her friends a chance to live on somehow and maybe give her a chance to come back to life as well
It’s an interesting thought, that Sjur and Toland are both floating around the ascendendt plane.
Byf, would you do a summary video going into the Final Shape of the major ongoing story beats for characters like Toland, Osiris, Elsie and the others to help get everyone caught up on the story?
References to mythology in Huginn and Muninn, is valid.
But, you also can't ignore the significance of the Weregild too.
Present in various mythologies for sure.
Placed in the mouth, over the eyes, on the forehead. Paying the boatman for passage in the underworld. I may be getting my mythological wires crossed, but The Styx is only one river, with its own significance. Lethe another, and if I recall a single drop of its waters erases your memory.
I guess what I'm trying to say, with the name of the Bow, the Weregild, and the mythological ties, there's big "paying the boatman" vibe. As to where said boatman would take her, who knows.
I really hope Byf sees this cuz I think I'm onto something😂.
It seems like there's bits of this explanation that don't quite add up. If Sjur won that fight against Huginn and Muninn, then why would Mara be asking about all 3 of them after a FUTURE fight where Sjur lost and died? In the first lore tab, the messenger specifies that the dragons are dead (implying that they were alive prior to the fight where Sjur died). I think that the fight in the second lore tab is the same fight mentioned in the first lore tab, and a third party (someone sent by the Nine) got involved, and both Sjur AND the dragons died in the fight. This would literally explain everything, and the "betrayal" mentioned in the second lore tab could be Sjur's betrayal of the dragons, or it could be the third party betraying her.
And let's say that Sjur didn't succeed in killing the dragons in the second lore tab, and everyone survived that fight, well then the dragons would definitely be excommunicated from the Awoken and Mara wouldn't be actively keeping tabs on them and asking about them randomly when Sjur died. The dragons were clearly directly involved in Sjur's death, and I think this whole explanation tracks every detail.
With respect, there may be another way to interpret the "weregild" bit. While the more literal interpretation stems as "payment for injury" as you stated, weregild has another usage that is more closely aligned with death. Many cultures, not just the Greek with Charon, include the practice of burying bodies with coins as payment for some entity in the afterlife. It's entirely possible that this weregild left by the Nine was a sort of condolence, treating Sjur's body with respect. In the entry "Debt" from Ecdysis, we also learn that Mara has doubts about whether Sjur's death was in fact a murder. The Nine could have been the ones to enact Sjur's wish to Huginn and Muninn, though they may not have been exactly willing actors.
Thanks for the great hard 2!!! Sounds plausible.
I dont think Sjur would crush their skulls. I think she intentionally opened herself when she says "unless..." it feels like she did not want to fell her friends and quickly thought of a loophole with wish magic to possibly bring them all back at a future time.
I would love to see Sjur in game. You know she’s gotta be a muscle mommy lol
Thank you starforge
I think she is "dead" revived as a light bearer
So, the name of the bow can also be a reference to Odin's fear that Muninn, memory, will not return.
Video starts @ 3:08
Something that hit me this season about the area where Huginn and Muninn are... There's an extra open door that I don't remember ever being there.
It's from the opening mission of Season of the Lost, where we claimed the Wayfinder's Compass seasonal artifact.
Good theory on the wish "give me a fight to remember"
But if they gave her that fight she is not dead because remembering means that you are alive, you can only remember something that happened days, months, years ago if you are dead all your memories are gone
We all remember when Byf of a thousand voices happened
I'm waiting for Byf to end an ahamkara lore vid with "And please like and subscribe, Oh watcher Mine."
A thought I have has to do with the verglas curve Exotic bow, the name of the catalyst quest is knock draw loose quiet and the lore seems to be talking about an archer in a battle
"It might just still be possible for Sjur to somehow return -- and if she does, expect her to be an NPC vendor"
Yay more dragon's stuff
I like your theory about Eido’s inadvertent wish. But I disagree that the Wish-Ender Lore tab is spoken by The Nine. It sounded, when you read it out loud, it sounded remarkably like the way Beowulf or the Icelandic Sagas read. Given the names of the two, I think this was narrated by Huginn and Muninn. It fits with their theme.
Personally Byf I think you misinterpreted it. I think that line break in the third Lore Tab was very telling and indicated that Sjur forgot something. It sounds like she actually made a wish, perhaps to have either false memories implanted or more likely memories removed, but it was twisted to entrap her. After all she remembered something in the middle of the fight and realized she was betrayed right? Ahamkhara don’t really seem to care about dying from what I can tell, so why would they be pleased prior to a potential wish, instead I think it picks up after the wish and that’s why we see the reactions from them that we do. Of course I could be completely wrong as well. I’m not nearly as versed in Destiny’s lore.
My name is sjur, I completely forgot sjur is also a character from destiny and my tired ass thought you made a video on me lmao
same
I don't need a gaming pc already having one, but its nice to know they wanted and cared to do a partnership.
I think the theory is not too far off, the only problem is how long stories in destiny are told, about every other season is related to one bit of the lore of a faction
Just gonna act like this wasnt posted then made private the other day? 😘 Love you Byf
Why is it that the bones and skulls of the wish dragons depicted them with tusks?
We have never seen tusks on a live wish dragon (riven)
I am not 100% sure but I think it holds their face flaps.
@@happystate2480 the face flaps are bug, thick plates. And these are clearly teeth tusks. I thought that at first too, but the faceplates are too big, and cover the whole face and jaws.
@@SwampyThingy So I broke down and googled it....its because they are shapeshifters and we have never seen their "true" form🤷♂
Ahhh lame
It said betrayed 8 times are there 8 traitors?
The betrayal angle is critical. It was Sjur who entered Huginn and Muninn's chambers to kill them, it doesn't make sense why she'd feel betrayed by them. I think it was Skolas who betrayed Sjur.
I’ve always wondered if somehow Mara betrayed her? I know she talks about her with serious fondness, and went to war over her death, but Huginn and Muninn or the Nine don’t seem like they’d get that level of response from her. Maybe I’m just underestimating her ties to those two entities, and maybe she just takes betrayal seriously no matter who from, but it’d be an interesting conversation, either she was led to believe Mara betrayed her, or somehow she did and Mara might feel guilty, simply saw it as necessary due to her clairvoyance at the time. This kinda falls apart if she ever talked to the statue, and already is shaky because the statue exists at all the way it does. But hey, what are theories for right?
None of this makes sense as a betrayal against Sjur... Her killing them seems like a betrayal *BY* Sjur, but that's about it. From the lore it sounds like she fired two arrows before she was killed, likely fatally wounding Huginn and Muninn, and then was killed by someone or something else. To feed into the Wish magic line of thinking, her desire for "...a fight to remember", which was already likely due to her relationship, caused another to act (perhaps uncharacteristically) and betray her, adding a 'shocking twist'.
I now need a lore tab of some Grammar Queen correcting The Nine
"Charged with light" ah I remember those times
I was able to trade with the skulls earlier this week
Blood Price, or Blood Money, paid to do two things simultaneously. 1st Compensation for loss and to pay for appropriate funeral according to station. 2nd Compensation to avert both vengeance from relatives AND from the Gods.
What if they gave her a fight to remember. More along the lines of “A struggle with memory loss.” What if Sjur forgot who she is….
Toland the Shattered? Are we to see him pulled from the Sea of Screams back into a body?
I don't think Sjur was killed by Huggin and munin. She asked for the battle, so using the word betrayed leads me to think it was someone else who killed Sjur.
Am i having Deja Vo or was this video already uploaded earlier this week?
Edit: It was uploaded earlier this week, but the sponsorship part had no audio. So they had to take it down
Weren’t we told that Sjur became the messenger for the Nine? I forgot her character name. The Emissary, I believe? Or was that another Awoken character that became her?
That's a different character. Her name is Orin.
Hope the reupload wasn't too much of a hassle.
It was, but not to worry. It’s all sorted now. 😅
Good to know I didn't imagine this video was uploaded previously... Tripped me out when I saw a glimpse of it then tried to find it again a few days later
This a reupload?
Why do the skulls look different than riven? Always wondered that.
Because by nature Ahamkara are shape-shifters. They could simply have preferred the small form their skulls imply.
@@FifthHorseman23there’s a large theory and or confirmation that the bones are simply the form in which they perish, if I recall?
I traded with one of the ahamkara for a tincuture of queensfoil last week, not sure what you're talking about here
Lol, the Norce mythology reference.
This might sound stupid but what if the nine are ahamkara
I wish to know how this Fight could have gone for them lol
Wait I just thought of something these skulls are left unguarded and they still have some power left why hasn’t an enemy thought about stealing them
Ido is a lost guardian?
Eido was the Queen's Wrath prior to Petra, Mara's former lover, and Friend to Shaxx and Mithrax. Mithrax named his daughter after her.
Deja vu? Is this a re-upload?
i was just wondering if you had a new vid yet lol
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I have to wonder if Sjur meant different kinds of death. There’s lots of interpretations of it, be it biblical and the 7 kinds of death there, the kind of death that’s implied when the last person says your name. Those kinds of things.
I also have to wonder about The Nine. A lot of that strange dialogue could be interpreted not just as bad grammar, but as faulty syntax. Like bad code being interpreted by a machine.
Why do all Ahamkara look like Riven?
Because riven is ahamkara and ahamkara are what riven is.
It is an interesting theory. I'm not 100% sure, I go with it. It makes sense though. No logical issues.
Not gonna lie. This pcs look very nice
How is she not xur? Straight backed, a strange coin, still alive but body deceased, unable to remember. Sounds like she's Ben given a body by the 9 and serves them since she doesn't remember. Like how 🤔 they even sound the same, especially with the 9 being illiterate they just gave her name back misspelled
OH boy
8:39 rip MF DOOM
Is this a repost? I'm having deja vu.
This video was "released" some time in the last 7 days, however moments after it went live it was set to private again.
Muffin and Munin are also yugioh monsters. It’s so cool to see different games intertwine with ancient legend
So... Starhorse killed Sjur Eido?
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Are you unhappy? She was not happy to have to kill them.
What story was there that never ended? Al good things come to an end.
And can you not tell it again once it is over? Are you sure it is the end.
We will be as true and solid as bone, forever. In other words we will never truly die.
But what is the truth🤔
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Their names = Snitches?
top chava you are👍
DWAGONS!!!
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I have this feeling Sjur Eido is a disciple we have not seen.
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ace combat reference????????!!?!!..
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Disagree, things just aren't lining up for me.
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