The Breeders' Cup Classic by the Thorograph Numbers and Patterns

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2024
  • You wanted it and we brought it. The Breeders' Cup Classic by the Thorograph Numbers and Patterns. Yes it is early but the numbers and patterns don't lie. We saw it all through the Triple Crown and even through the Pacific Classic.
    On this show Jonathan Stettin goes over the Thorograph Numbers and patterns as he sees them and we all know he sees them as good as anyone in the game.
    Get your head start right here right now and check out this show. Let us know what you think and if there is anything else you want to see before the big dance at Santa Anita. We can't promise we will do everything but if you don't ask we won't know. We have a ton of stuff planned for you that you just won't see or hear anywhere but Past the Wire and ‪@PastTheWireTV‬
    Here is the link to our Breeders' Cup Seminar and you definitely son't want to miss that:
    pastthewire.co...
    Check out our recent One on One interview with the red hot Jockey Antonio Fresu: • One on One with Antoni...
    Thank you for watching Past the Wire TV.
    Photo: White Abarrio works for the Classic at Santa Anita, Ernie Belmonte, Past the Wire
    Videography: Jim Gazzale: Past the Wire

ความคิดเห็น • 93

  • @1800s
    @1800s 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn good analysis, keep up the good work.

  • @jamsid33
    @jamsid33 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thanks, great show

  • @joeydimaio975
    @joeydimaio975 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great analysis of our best racing day .. look foward to the seminar

  • @user-kt2on3zc1t
    @user-kt2on3zc1t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Jon: Have wanted to text you since you helped me try to navigate the Derby seminar. I failed, but you helped as best you could. Really appreciate your actually texting me (I’m a nobody and was stunned that you bothered helping me.)
    You’re a class act; if you were a Thoroughbred, you’d be running in Grade I races. Thanks again, and best of good fortune.

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Grazie my friend. You got one thing very wrong here. You are NOT a nobody. Not no way, not no how. Reach out anytime.

    • @garettoverstreet
      @garettoverstreet 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Class Act

  • @edgray1742
    @edgray1742 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very clear and interesting I took notes

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Under pressure lol

  • @douglaswilson2665
    @douglaswilson2665 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really enjoying your shows and plan to continue to learn from you!

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Grazie Douglas, appreciate that. Any questions ask anytime.

    • @WayneNorwood-iq1tr
      @WayneNorwood-iq1tr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      WV​@@PastTheWireTV

  • @rstefanie2622
    @rstefanie2622 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice job here sir. I have never used these TG #s, but this was eye opening.

  • @markguglietta4503
    @markguglietta4503 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks again John . I thought that was a real good race but negative 6 wow and made it look easy down the stretch

  • @johnvitelli3862
    @johnvitelli3862 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    John great show as always you are like a offensive lineman a great one everybody over looks you because you bring it every time it amazes me you only have 4thousand followers it should be 25 thousand plus . I hope all is well and I will be on the train with you for the classic and for everybody who is Catholic get to a Traditional Latin mass for All Souls Day coming up for all our family members that might be in purgatory remember there is no salvation outside Jesus Christ Holy Catholic Church God Bless You John and all your followers.

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      God Bless You and Yours John. I truly appreciate the kind words.

  • @RodneyEvansFootballWeLoveIt
    @RodneyEvansFootballWeLoveIt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you sir always always appreciated it man! Can’t wait for Breeders’ cup seminar thank you sir stay blessed 🙏🏾💯 hope you haven’t forget about teaching the thorograph numbers don’t know what the hell im reading

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Didn't forget and thank you

    • @RodneyEvansFootballWeLoveIt
      @RodneyEvansFootballWeLoveIt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PastTheWireTV 🙏🏾💯

    • @nolinrogers
      @nolinrogers 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      agree he knows those #'s but i think because of lay-offs & 3yo vs older work-outs will be so important & i can't tell so will leave that to trackside pros. like when MAGE looked poor & underweight before his last race had him no better then 3rd but arcangelo was looking great used him under so lost.

  • @drdontpassone8164
    @drdontpassone8164 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    guy is real...............love it

  • @nancymoran1730
    @nancymoran1730 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Great content as always. White Abarrio was the horse I was most interested in betting this far out, feel great about my opinion after watching. Really hoping you have the time to do a by the numbers show on the distaff! Will be one of best races all BC imo, for both the fans and the gamblers. I'm still in love with Clairerre, so we'll see where she can take me, but I need your pro opinion. Much love, good luck and happy capping to all

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Grazie Nancy! Likewise!

    • @eddieshiltz7519
      @eddieshiltz7519 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A 42:26 ¡¡!++

  • @donhayes9864
    @donhayes9864 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How about numbers on the dirt mile

  • @garettoverstreet
    @garettoverstreet 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Amazing pre race analysis Jonathan.
    Kudos to you and I look forward to your future seminar.
    As soon as my long time buddy Ian said you were close friends I knew I had to check out PTW.👌
    Are Practical Move & Clapton out?

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you. I am not sure yet. I ordered the list of the contenders I thought were going, I definitely may have missed a few.

  • @franksigona5971
    @franksigona5971 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jon, i thought the seminar was free to veterans? I would love an invite.

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is, follow the instructions in the link.

  • @RodneyEvansFootballWeLoveIt
    @RodneyEvansFootballWeLoveIt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would really love thorograph video on the BC juvenile or turf race

  • @donwooley1312
    @donwooley1312 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hello, have you taken a look at Ushba Tesoro?

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, I can't get to him at all

  • @user-vr7yp5sv8j
    @user-vr7yp5sv8j 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Many believe the likely winner will emerge from the 3YO ranks. What times have the 3YOs recorded over 10F?
    Arabian Knight - Pacific Classic - 2:03.19
    Go Rocket Ride - Pacific Classic - 2:03.19 (2nd by NK)
    Arcangelo -Travers -2:02.23
    Mage - Kentucky Derby - 2:01.57
    The KY winner has the best 10F time for the division, but he seems to have lost his way. I am not even sure he is being directed to the BCC. The next closest to 2:01 is Arcangelo.
    The most recent 3YO that won the BCC recorded much faster 10F times than the above:
    Authentic - Kentucky Derby - 2:00.61
    Arrogate - Travers - 1:59.36
    American Pharoah - Travers 2:01.57 (2nd by 3/4L)

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Interesting point

    • @vambo13257
      @vambo13257 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting but times do not always tell the story, as you know. I will be singling Arcangelo in a $1 pk 5 and then using a couple of prices on .50 pk 4's

    • @user-vr7yp5sv8j
      @user-vr7yp5sv8j 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vambo13257 I wouldn't single a colt whose Belmont winning time was the 13th best in the last 20 renewals at 12F. Consider the following:
      Since the start of the Breeder Cup Championship. Only one winner of the Peter Pan has won the BCC i.e., A P Indy. He won the 1turn 9F Peter Pan in 1:47.40. His winning time represents the 4th fastest since 1986.
      Global Campaign won the Peter Pan in what appears to be the second fastest time for the stakes i.e.,1:46.71. He was only able to finish 3rd in the BCC.
      Arcangelo won the Pete Pna in 1:49.71. Since 1986, the Peter Pan has been won 32 times faster. Archangelo' stakes victories have been recorded modest times.
      Peter Pan -1:49.71
      Belmont - 2:29.23
      Traves 2:02.23
      Arcangelo's sire Arrogate won the Traver in1:59.35. it took him the entire stretch of the BCC to get by California Chrome.
      American Pharaoh finished 2nd by 3/4L in his Travers won in 2:01.57
      NB: What's the prospect of a sire and his son winning the Travers and BCC in consecutive starts? Remote at best.

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      why? you'd be betting against yourself. You can't overcome that in the long run. @@vambo13257

  • @roundtabletalk2164
    @roundtabletalk2164 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey John, have you heard anything about Idiomatic. I kind of get the feeling she’s not gonna be running at Breeders Cup

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I haven't heard that, not yet anyway.

    • @roundtabletalk2164
      @roundtabletalk2164 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh ok. Thank you. I was checking the workouts on Equibase and I hadn’t seen any recent workouts for her.

  • @MikeTheEarGuy
    @MikeTheEarGuy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For those of us who have signed up for the BC Seminar and will be at the Breeders Cup is that something we can attend in person?

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The races lol, but definitely say hello....

  • @waltertnyc
    @waltertnyc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Neg6 is rarified air. Only a handful of horses ever have. If Dutrow can get him to sing that tune again, I agree they’re running for second. Understandable love affair aside, is he also a bounce candidate on TG patterns?

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't think so as he has had enough time, that said he can bounce 4 points and win. I think they packed up and went West after he cooled out.

  • @Nearctic
    @Nearctic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jon what’s the best way to ask you a Question about the Thorograph numbers?

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      email through the website

  • @truthxposed8975
    @truthxposed8975 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If Derma's odds are right, I'm betting him to HTB. The reason is Japan has a much cooler climate in the summer and long brutal winters. I believe he didnt run well during the summer here because he just wasn't used to the heat. It'll be a much cooler climate by the time they run in the Breeders Cup and he's liable to fire one off and run big if the temp is cooler.

    • @jackwoods9604
      @jackwoods9604 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Besides Weather Why do You Think He is Better Than This Classic Field?...What are You Basing it on Exactly?

    • @truthxposed8975
      @truthxposed8975 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jackwoods9604 UAE derby.

    • @truthxposed8975
      @truthxposed8975 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jackwoods9604 And let me make this clear, I dont think he'll win, I'm betting him to HTB because I believe his odds will be over 15-1. The horse always tries hard. He has a really good habit of hitting the board in cooler temps.

    • @truthxposed8975
      @truthxposed8975 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jackwoods9604 In a cooler climate, he hasn't failed to hit the board or win in his other races. He ran 6th in the Kentucky Derby when it was 15 degrees hotter than he was acclimated for. I just think he's a better horse than he what he showed us in 90+ degree summer heat. Good enough to HTB I mean.

    • @jackwoods9604
      @jackwoods9604 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@truthxposed8975 Guess You Prefer Him Over Ushba? (If Ushba is Going)

  • @AdolphsonRacing
    @AdolphsonRacing 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Solid show. Interesting to compare these to Ragz and then compare them with the proverbial eye test. I didn’t hear you go over USHBA TESORO… does he have any numbers for his runs this year?

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I had no figures for him, sorry. I may do an update when pre entries come out.

  • @roicharmant
    @roicharmant 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is Mostahdaf coming? Why not him?

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think he's coming, dangerous for sure

  • @Johnny53kgb-nsa
    @Johnny53kgb-nsa 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I play the patterns of speed figures. I got my own system. I can't tell anybody what it is. Thanks.

  • @user-rq4gm9ut9g
    @user-rq4gm9ut9g 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What happened 2 the other Japanese horse. U needed mentioned.

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not on my list....I will have to look them up, went off BC site.

  • @user-jc6qx8yt6u
    @user-jc6qx8yt6u 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    bet the gray in the turf classic 1.5 miles

  • @walterpanoski8182
    @walterpanoski8182 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great Job John

  • @raulhenriquez9787
    @raulhenriquez9787 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was really exited about looking at horses training program or something like a top five from You, but I had to admit I became dissapointed cause You just use maybe..maybe..maybe mani times and didn't clear up my doubts. Thanks anyway.
    didinht

  • @user-nq8bl9ct3u
    @user-nq8bl9ct3u 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for your expertise I left a message with no reply. 2019 Kentucky derby I had a $100. Straight cold exact. Maximum security 😎 👌 with country house .Do you think Maximum security 🤔 should have been disqualified? And second question. How much do you I would have made 9 to 2 too a 65 to 1?

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I didn't think at the time he should have been taken down. Sorry for no reply, didn't see it. Heck on Derby Day who knows, a lot. Probably better off not knowing lol.

    • @caseG80
      @caseG80 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why wouldn't you box them especially because the other way pays so much more. If you got the derby down to 2 horses and ones 62-1 wheel box ex tri super shit even high 5. That's a tuft ass pill to swallow and the worst call in racing period.

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Boxing is a losing proposition long ter, explained maany times on different shows on the channel and articles on the website. can't win in the long run boxing horses. @@caseG80

  • @steventesta6782
    @steventesta6782 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great show Jonathan 👏.
    Thanks for all you do to educate the racing fans out here.
    I think rick dutrow is going to have the last laugh when white abario wins the classic!!!

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks Steve, could very well be

  • @Nearctic
    @Nearctic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks Jon .

  • @MikeTheEarGuy
    @MikeTheEarGuy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Arabian Lion retired. You said there were gonna be defections. First Forte, now him.

  • @jackwoods9604
    @jackwoods9604 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    23/45/110 (Gulf)...24/49/113 (Bel)...23/47/112 (Bel)...23/48/111 (Sar)....These are Basic Fractions From Archangelos 4 Wins....Should He Get a Faster Pace at SA in Classic?

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would think so with the exception of the Gulf race.

  • @chadv716
    @chadv716 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the knowledge but have u ever listened to yourself? U start and amend every sentence with Uhhhh or ummm. Sounds very uneducated. Just listen to a playback once. It’s literally hundreds of times in this video u do it.

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ummm What are you a school teacher lol? I don't think many people watch the show for how I talk or my grammar. Seriously....

    • @chadv716
      @chadv716 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PastTheWireTV just busting your balls. I started off the comment with the point that I love your knowledge brother man.

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No worries, you're right and I don't ever listen to myself but other people have told me also. An anchorman future or job at TVG is out of the question LOL. @@chadv716

    • @chadv716
      @chadv716 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@PastTheWireTV ur too smart to be on TVG. Plus I think u would slap Todd schrupp. I know I would. Thanks for the replies and your time. I will always listen to u….no matter how many times u say uhh and umm. Lmao

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Grazie and I probably would@@chadv716

  • @marklewen9384
    @marklewen9384 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 3 year olds were dominant?? Arcangelo decent the others garbage. White Abarrio and Zandon are best American dirt horses BY FAR

    • @PastTheWireTV
      @PastTheWireTV  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't think Geaux Rocket Ride or Arabian Knight are garbage at all. Mage too.

    • @marklewen9384
      @marklewen9384 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PastTheWireTV yes, they are....mage is pure GARBAGE. The Haskell(if you know what your doing) was a NEGATIVE KEY race: the Awful FLA bred who ran arabian into the ground ran dead last at parx at 4-5 next time. Salute the stars ran awful at 4-5 in smarty jones his next start. Mage got trounced in Travers.
      People are basing the Pacific Class in their praise for these 3 year olds. Got news gor you- I've been a pro handicapper for 35 years. The crop of older horses in california this year was the worst in 50 years. All were glorified 40 claimers.
      There are FOUR Good dirt horses in America this year. In order they are White Abarrio, Zandon,Codys Wish, and then maybe Arcangelo...and Arcangelo really isn't any better than Proxy.