On the one hand I feel a little called out cuz I know it was my comment, on the other hand I'm stoked to learn more about old school rifles! Thank you Mike! Edit: honestly I'm not even sure my blind ass could even make a shot at 800 meters with irons, much less calculate that on the fly while being shot at. I just started shooting in February. Edit 2: honestly now that I hear all this it sounds just like adjusting a scope for distance/windage and whatnot, Honestly I don't even know how I missed seeing this part of a rifle before but I genuinely don't remember seeing that part at all until that video, Thank you very much!
Thank you for the 03 Springfield demo. Bought mine from my Grandad's estate when I was 14, it always had a scope on it with really high rings so the sight could stay on the gun. I'm 36 now and the scope is wore out. I'm ready to give those sights a try.
This is awesome content! In regards to the optimistic regulation of most ladder sights , I wonder what the soldier would actually be referencing as bulls eye at 1000 yards. For example, I live in Idaho. I can see for miles in many directions. However, to discern the silhouette of a man beyond 500 yards can be difficult. So, if the order was given to range for say maybe 800 yards or meters , each shot would just be a rough question with little chance of the bullet landing within 6 feet of the intended target. Of course, a large body of men arranged in a line would present a better probability of hitting something . I don't see my use for the system in hunting but volley fire must have been way more of a rough lobbing of bullets than I thought.
I know, but we need to remember where we were at in the very beginning. I am trying to be more understanding of new people in the hobby....It's not always easy, but I saw guys in the Military who didn't understand the concept of ladder sights on Machine guns either, so there is that.
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot as far as I'm aware every Man portable firearm in the US military's arsenal, except the M2 and handguns, have adjustable elevation for range estimation on the rear sight aperture. Edit: The M2A1 modify work order includes a ladder rear aperture.
Whatever gun you grew up with is all you might know. Me for example 410, 12 gauge, 30-06 with scope. Never needed anything else for hunting. You should be thankful people want to learn something new.
Excellent video! I loved seeing the different sight on the turn of the century rifles. I have a 1903 Springfield and your explanation was a much less convoluted way of explaining how to use it than the Army manual.
The rear sight that confused me one day at the range was on my VZ58/2008. All the way back it's set on it's battle sight at 200. Yards or meters I don't remember. To set it to 100, you actually move the slide up one notch, which lowers the rear sight. Couldn't for the life of me figure out why I was hitting high, when at 50 yards I was only 2" above my point of aim. I don't think it's the only one like that either.
I shot my Polish k98az (post ww1 German k98az copy) for the first time yesterday. It’s battle sights are 300 meters, so it shot really high at 100 yards.
Yes, let's see down them battle sights, ooooo... what would be an amazing target to be pointing at would be, at what ever enemy of the rifles time period would be shooting at 🤘 sounds like a lot of work but would be awesome lol
The reason the G98 has that "Rollercoaster" style sight is so that the rear sight does not need the leaf spring to hold it in place like on most other mauser tangent and ladder sights.
I am always wondered how the heck you line up the sights for extreme ranges without lifting your face from the stock since my eye sits so far below the rear notch. Not that I'd try to shoot that far, just wondering how they were actually lined up
I actually prefer shooting with irons instead of modern red dots, holo sights, and scopes. My favorite ladder sight so far is the original milled sights for the Enfield No.4 Mk1. Not as fast as the later stamped pinch button style, but the milled one is VERY accurate, and holds zero no problem. Best part is the battle sight is like a modern ghost ring, and it's zeroed for 200 yards (yes, yards, because the Brits used imperial measurement in WWII). The 200 yard zero is great, though I'm used to a 300 yard zero on my AR-15 (zero at 25 yard and 300) which I'm using the A2/A3 style carry handle sight, though mine was built as a QD setup, which is great because I can swap out to my QD mounted scope and retain zero between swaps (more or less, close enough to original zero to be deadly). Of course, with 5.56 and .223 being unobtanium right now, my Enfield has been seeing a lot more use, and that milled sight is a real treat to use! As much as I want to cheer for our American rifles, gotta recognize pure excellence when I see it, and the Enfield No.4 has it in spades.
A looking down the sights video could be good. To look down sights it is sometimes easier to use still photos as you can adjust the focus more easily and get the correct picture, that or getting the rifle on a stand and a camera on a tripod I suppose.
The US military's version of the FN BAR, the M240, uses a very similar battle sight/leaf sight to the Lebel 1886. The only difference is for using the battle sight. The 240's leaf doesn't fold forward.
still need to see someone actually aim with a 2000 sight. The head position is not able to sit normal on the stock. I think I'm getting it but still need to shoot it.
@@megapoo437 There are these wacky looking things called 'characters' on the wacky contraption called the 'keyboard.' Essentially, you put your fingers on this wacky contraption, and press down on the wacky looking things and a wacky input occurs.
I personally thought these rear sights were self explanatory, first gun I ever shot was a kar98 I looked at the rear sight played with it for a min and saw how when it raised up it adjusted your aim point and immediately figured out it was height adjustment unbelievable how dumber down so many people are these days
I always turn mine up to ten or more , you know, for the power.
i turn mine to e-lev-en
Spinal Tap rules!
Ah, the Zimbabwean way of fighting. The fact the UN let them win the Rhodesian Bush War is shameful.
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 inadvertent volley fire has probably saved a lot of lives in that part of the world .
Warfare in Africa is truly unbelievable
Sight ladders actually date back to before the American Civil War, my Pattern 1853 Enfield has one that can be ranged up to 300 yards.
On the one hand I feel a little called out cuz I know it was my comment, on the other hand I'm stoked to learn more about old school rifles!
Thank you Mike!
Edit: honestly I'm not even sure my blind ass could even make a shot at 800 meters with irons, much less calculate that on the fly while being shot at. I just started shooting in February.
Edit 2: honestly now that I hear all this it sounds just like adjusting a scope for distance/windage and whatnot, Honestly I don't even know how I missed seeing this part of a rifle before but I genuinely don't remember seeing that part at all until that video, Thank you very much!
Don't worry mike, they say yards in England too
Putting a high volume of really good content out there recently, Mike. Keep it up!
Thank you for the 03 Springfield demo. Bought mine from my Grandad's estate when I was 14, it always had a scope on it with really high rings so the sight could stay on the gun. I'm 36 now and the scope is wore out. I'm ready to give those sights a try.
This is awesome content!
In regards to the optimistic regulation of most ladder sights , I wonder what the soldier would actually be referencing as bulls eye at 1000 yards.
For example, I live in Idaho. I can see for miles in many directions. However, to discern the silhouette of a man beyond 500 yards can be difficult.
So, if the order was given to range for say maybe 800 yards or meters , each shot would just be a rough question with little chance of the bullet landing within 6 feet of the intended target.
Of course, a large body of men arranged in a line would present a better probability of hitting something .
I don't see my use for the system in hunting but volley fire must have been way more of a rough lobbing of bullets than I thought.
It hurts my soul that we live in a world where people don't know how adjustable rear sights work
They literally still exist on the AK
I know, but we need to remember where we were at in the very beginning. I am trying to be more understanding of new people in the hobby....It's not always easy, but I saw guys in the Military who didn't understand the concept of ladder sights on Machine guns either, so there is that.
@@MikeB128 That is important to clear up to prevent silly rumous like africans going on the maximum range setting for "maximum power".
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot as far as I'm aware every Man portable firearm in the US military's arsenal, except the M2 and handguns, have adjustable elevation for range estimation on the rear sight aperture. Edit: The M2A1 modify work order includes a ladder rear aperture.
But it is great asking questions so they can learn......
Whatever gun you grew up with is all you might know. Me for example 410, 12 gauge, 30-06 with scope. Never needed anything else for hunting. You should be thankful people want to learn something new.
Excellent video! I loved seeing the different sight on the turn of the century rifles. I have a 1903 Springfield and your explanation was a much less convoluted way of explaining how to use it than the Army manual.
At 52 years old I just picked up my first 03 Springfield. Thank you for the detailed explanation of its sites.
That was a surprisingly informative video. Well done.
The rear sight that confused me one day at the range was on my VZ58/2008. All the way back it's set on it's battle sight at 200. Yards or meters I don't remember. To set it to 100, you actually move the slide up one notch, which lowers the rear sight. Couldn't for the life of me figure out why I was hitting high, when at 50 yards I was only 2" above my point of aim. I don't think it's the only one like that either.
I shot my Polish k98az (post ww1 German k98az copy) for the first time yesterday. It’s battle sights are 300 meters, so it shot really high at 100 yards.
The 95mannlicher sights are not for meters, are for schritt, 2600 schritt are about 2100mt
Ok
Great video, I have never even seen those Carcano sites
1 arshin equals 28 inches
Must be why the USMC went to a taller front sight to bring the battle sighting to 100 yards,Thanks for the video.
The later version trapdoor Springfield rear sight was pretty crazy, too.
Another great video, Mike. Now you need one on those odd side volley sites such as the old Enfield rifles. Thanks again!
Thanks! I have an ‘03 and was using the battlesight at 50 yds. 😂 Now I know better.
Yes, let's see down them battle sights, ooooo... what would be an amazing target to be pointing at would be, at what ever enemy of the rifles time period would be shooting at 🤘 sounds like a lot of work but would be awesome lol
Maybe if I get to 100K subs I'll go through the insane amount of work that would be that video.
@@MikeB128 At this rate that'll happen right at the end of the month, or week.
@@breadman161 Not likely. It's really hard for me to get subs. Been stagnating at around 70k for 9 months now. Someday.
You should do more videos about the Chilean 1895
Maybe a follow up video is taking a range finder and adjusting the sites at a rage great video!
The reason the G98 has that "Rollercoaster" style sight is so that the rear sight does not need the leaf spring to hold it in place like on most other mauser tangent and ladder sights.
Makes sense, hadn't thought about that.
Thanks for the video, Merry Christmas!
I am always wondered how the heck you line up the sights for extreme ranges without lifting your face from the stock since my eye sits so far below the rear notch.
Not that I'd try to shoot that far, just wondering how they were actually lined up
You always maintain the same Cheek Contact, and line up the Sights no matter what Distance they're set at.
The Rifle will "tip up" on its own.
Nice tutorial, i'm going to make it for my homemade crossbow
Definitely learned a few things. Thanks Mike!
I actually prefer shooting with irons instead of modern red dots, holo sights, and scopes.
My favorite ladder sight so far is the original milled sights for the Enfield No.4 Mk1. Not as fast as the later stamped pinch button style, but the milled one is VERY accurate, and holds zero no problem. Best part is the battle sight is like a modern ghost ring, and it's zeroed for 200 yards (yes, yards, because the Brits used imperial measurement in WWII).
The 200 yard zero is great, though I'm used to a 300 yard zero on my AR-15 (zero at 25 yard and 300) which I'm using the A2/A3 style carry handle sight, though mine was built as a QD setup, which is great because I can swap out to my QD mounted scope and retain zero between swaps (more or less, close enough to original zero to be deadly).
Of course, with 5.56 and .223 being unobtanium right now, my Enfield has been seeing a lot more use, and that milled sight is a real treat to use! As much as I want to cheer for our American rifles, gotta recognize pure excellence when I see it, and the Enfield No.4 has it in spades.
A looking down the sights video could be good. To look down sights it is sometimes easier to use still photos as you can adjust the focus more easily and get the correct picture, that or getting the rifle on a stand and a camera on a tripod I suppose.
The US military's version of the FN BAR, the M240, uses a very similar battle sight/leaf sight to the Lebel 1886. The only difference is for using the battle sight. The 240's leaf doesn't fold forward.
I'm aware. I was a 240B gunner. Best machine gun I've used.
Mike do you recommend getting a c&r license?
No
@@MikeB128 why's that? I already have most C&R things I want, but the thought has crossed my mind
@@jvleasure I don't recommend it because you'll be consistently and persistently broke. You do you though.
@@MikeB128 sweet. Already there, dude 😆
still need to see someone actually aim with a 2000 sight. The head position is not able to sit normal on the stock. I think I'm getting it but still need to shoot it.
That turns up the danger factor. Could turn it into a ghost gun.
I thought an arshin was about an average mans step, and also yes please make a vid looking through the sights
The sight on my Rasheed is a challenge. All the numbers are Arabic.
Not Kentucky but...Aghani Windage? 😂
Lol
Who cam read arabic numerals!?
@@barrymcockner2714 I can.
@@MikeB128 no way man! Where would you learn to do that?!
hmmm... how does one use a leaf sight on a grenade launcher?
Peepee poopoo
How do I type
@@megapoo437 There are these wacky looking things called 'characters' on the wacky contraption called the 'keyboard.' Essentially, you put your fingers on this wacky contraption, and press down on the wacky looking things and a wacky input occurs.
Is this a joke or something? Who doesn't understand that rifles have adjustable sights?!
I personally thought these rear sights were self explanatory, first gun I ever shot was a kar98 I looked at the rear sight played with it for a min and saw how when it raised up it adjusted your aim point and immediately figured out it was height adjustment unbelievable how dumber down so many people are these days
how do you brace it against your shoulder?
doesn't the butt drop when you raise the muzzle?