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some say that the top gear sound editor was deaf-.-
+pearl571 It's 'cos they had to change the music.
the video is not original
He was Wayne who did a bit of hard bass wheb he was subaruing
HUH? WHAT?
Best comment ever
When did all the car companies decide it would be best to make plastic engine covers? Those chrome pipes are so damn sexy, not to mention the sound this engine produces.
Guus Bouwmans when they needed to cut costs
Just a shame that it doesn't start, handle, hold value or stay together.
@@faolan1686 The value of cars with busso engines is rising...slow but steady. My engine is the first one in the car and works since more than 300.000KM without any big problems...Maybe u can use ur stereotypes for other cars :)
faolan1686 mine starts. Handles like a train. Easily worth 10k. Not one part falling off
@@mettfreund1727
You're right. The violin of Arese is something projected with love together with technics, not only an engine.
Everything proportionate like a sculpture.
Any time I start it I enjoy its voice and its readiness.
the background music is so loud that I can't hear a single word
almost all the old footage of top gear is like this, I can't hear a single word he's saying .
some say he's deaf,and once had a conversation with Beethoven , all we know it's called the 'Sound Editor'
that's the funniest stuff I've read this year !
I think it's because they had to change the music because of copyright reasons
@Az Lean I wish I was as amazing as you
Ford: we worked on an intelligent differential for that car
VW: we made a great 4wd system
Alfa: Car look great, big, powerful and alive v6
Clarkson: But does it work?
Alfa: Sounds great.
Clarkson: *Take my money!!!*
Once you try an Alfa, you'll learn.
@@NSB25445 already own one, 147 2.0l
@@enzomartins132 same here.
@@enzomartins132 147 2.0TS checking in.
Greeting from The Netherlands.
@@NSB25445 bought and Alfa 2 months ago and it’s already been in the garage twice 🥲
You can fix part of the understeer with a Q2 diff, it's an easy kit to install, and it's original from Alfa.
Emanuele Pinna in 2018 if ya haven't got one you don't deserve to own a gta. Q2 is run by everyone who knows even a fraction about Alfa's. Don't buy one if it hadn't been fitted. Or ask for $3k off the sale price as it's the first thing you'll HAVE to do!
Now that Car Throttle has made a video about all the myths about this car, let's watch it then :D
sonyviva308 Clarkson actually reviewed the Autodelta version and said it was great
QUAVE also makes a good LSD for the alfa 147 GTA
poi spiegami come fai con l'ABS... ;-)
Some say that he has a natural sized tattoo of an ear on each side of his head, and that, even if he had hearing aids, he would still ruin the Top Gear videos. All we know is he's called the sound editor.
+ryvoltz hahahha that was pretty funny
BUT... it's nothing to do with the sound guy. it's the conversion and subsequent uploading to YT that cocked up the sound.
Still i vote for your comment to be featured on the new AMAZON top gear! cos it's just funny shit man.
DAGATHire Very good explanation, man! And even better to know you liked the comment. =D Peace!
Wow stealing the sentence from the Purpleguy123.. Also the ending originally is Sams from Undertale
Back in the days audio editor of Top gear was shit!
Nothing to do with any sound editors, it's a crap video file
@@Nutty-sd6nl no dude. The music is at a much higher volume so we can't hear what he's saying. Nothing to do with the quality.
@@shadmansudipto7287 TV version doesnt have this issue. Nor does downloadable files.
@@jonilaht TV version had lower res right? So maybe they went back for the source for this video, editing again when they made the mistake.
@@shadmansudipto7287 They just had to remove any copyrighted music. And did a really shit job of replacing it with really shit library music.
I love how they talk about the fact it would depreciate fast, right now a good low milage GTA is atleast 18k or more🤣
Bloody long game you're playing though - have to wait 20 years to just get your money back haha
I suspect a lower-mileage one will go into the 30-40k range in not too long
@@PixelTrooper It will be seen as a classic car at some point
@@jaklawrence4301 its still a car lol, he did not say it was great investment as purely investment.
You could buy it after 3 years, make 300.000km and still it would be worth same amount 20 years later.
V6 Busso, best V6 Motor ever build!
Some say that he is deaf,
and drink juice from his ear
all we know is he is the sound editor
2021 and it still looks fantastic.
January 2023 and it still looks great
@@nikosnikolaidis6028 Yep... and I am quietly confident that it looked just as good in 2022. haha.
June 2023 and I still cry with regret for selling mine!
@@nikosnikolaidis6028 december 2023.... yup, still looks gorgeous!
And to me the Alfa Romeo 147 GTA is my all time favourite Italian car, 256 bhp V6, 2WD and it's an absolute beauty
in 2016 147 GTA is still Hot !!
To 2018
AND it didn't lost all of it's value... moreover, it's appreciating quite a lot lately!
If it didnt Fall apart
The heat makes it break lol
it had initial lost of value and now it becomes collector's item, so it's the reason why things change....
well, if I'd be mad enough to have it, I must admit I'd never drive it too fast in corners, I'd put more comfy tyres on it and fit more comfortable springs and dampers and just enjoy in engine sound because otherwise it is awful car....
it was the most beautiful of the three back then, and the only one which STILL looks great. It doesn't handle as bad as he made it look (as the Stig demonstraded). If you were really serious about handling, you could swap the differential for an aftermarket one. It was by far the best option. Never trust journalists, especially when they're funny
I beg to differ. It looks pinched, fat, bulbous, and the headlights look ridiculous. On the technical front it dosent handle, its wrong wheel drive, and is a glorified fiat. Theirs a reason barely anyone bought one
@@shortbutfunnyvideos And yet it still looks the best and sounds the best. Let's not forget that R32 Golf was kinda shit too, in Tsukuba it doesn't turn, it's heavier than family saloon and only at Nurburgring it's any good at cornering. Focus RS is just sad, looks like typical ricer mobile of 90s. GTA might have been imperfect, but it's the least bad of three and if you buy LSD that Alfa made for it, it reduces understeer and that's still factory spec car essentially, since LSD was a factory option. You would need to replace whole outer body of Focus and to completely remake R32, to be any better. And to be honest, if you hate understeer that much, but wanted fully factory spec Alfa, you could have got one with more sensible engine.
@@MJ-uk6luugly and shit as its an alfa
@@sugarnads YT trolling I see. Thanks for the laugh
sound man is getting fired
Lol Jeremy's voice I'd barely higher than a mumble most of the time
Andrea Attard It bla bla bla bla bla, bla bla annihilates them!
Golf is ugly as shit, Focus is superb, but Alfa is amazingly the best looking
Sure, how would you like to go to work tomorrow? On the bus or on your bicycle?
+Virus You know nothing. I'm on my 12th Alfa and they have all been superb. The ex had a Honda 150 (Civic) and it rusted to shit, Even on the roof and it spent most its life in a garage. The Nissan I once had, had a stretched timing chain so the car mis-fired. Quoted 10 hours to repair by 2 garages. Sold it and tried a Toyota Avensis. It used more oil than petrol due to faulty oil rings from the factory. Sold it and went back to Alfa. Two GTV6s, 3 Alfettas, 3 Giuliettas (80s era), 1 Bertone GTV, 1 Alfa Sei (6), 1 156 24v and now my 147JTDm. All a blast to drive and as reliable as anything out there. The Alfa diesel technology was a breakthrough and is used by all the other brands.
You can stick with your generic Blandbox, I'm happy driving something different.
one word about deprecation. The car is worth 10000£ these days
It is going up again xD
yeah it's going up in value again
I have Alfa Romeo Gtv 3.2 v6 24 v 😁
@@kristijangorsky151 lucky you
@@fetusofetuso2122 yes I am
I don't know why but when you drive an Alfa Romeo it seems you drive something with a soul...
дем кен hai ragione.
I don't know why but you now have to put a pound in JM's Italian car Cliche box.
…and passion
why? because all morons say that to help sell these heap of junks ?
quid in the box
"So does it have a front differential? No." Of course it has! Just not an LSD.
I bet your fun at parties!!!
When Clarkson does his "well ACTUALLY" thing, thats for people like you, with adenoids lol.
@@tomtalk24 he's actually right, dude. That was a dumb thing to say on Clarkson's part. It's basically like saying "does it have wheels? No".
Later models came with Q2 LSD. So Alfa saw the reason, finally :)
Viilutaja So why didn’t these early 147 GTAs have an LSD from the factory, and instead used an open differential?
@@joshbacon8241 Why any facelifts happen with better parts? Because manufacturer have not tested every detail that much with so many different conditions.
Latter models did come with an option atb torsen gleason type diff. Alfa called it Q2. Harvey -Bailey (ex lotus chassis engineer) developed An after market suspention kit that worked very well. Together it was worth 4 and a bit seconds around castle coombe , on the tighter top gear track it would be worth even more
Legend says that the sound editor got payed more the louder he played the music.
IT'S OK I DON'T NEED TO HEAR WHAT JEREMY IS SAYING
Stop shouting 🥸
When new in 2003 in the UK the cars cost 22 thousand pounds, today in 2017, they are selling for 8 thousand plus, which he did not predict in this video. They have even started importing Japanese second hand ones! Clarkson can't complain about wheel wobble after he has wrecked the tyres burning it around the track like that.
AVANTI STIGGHISSIMO
Gioele Ceraulo we un italiano
Anche tre
@@luciodragokomodo8956 sei napoletano?
viva l'Alfa e la figa
L'Alfaaa...Orgoglio Italiano 😍
It would've been fun to see them test the Q2 version, the one with the front diff.
Busso the best v6 in the world Alfa Romeo best car ever
Daniel Costa yes ofcourse is alfa the best....the company that cave us the alfasud,the car that disapeared in a rain shower and ofcours now a days cars with the electronics wich are installed by monkeys...... no they are stunning cars with alot of passion and beautifull sounds but not the best....
+pearl571 It's the best for him. which is the best for you if I dare ask? because no company makes perfect cars and if you disagree I can prove you wrong at any time
The Don I know what I'm talking about I have a very beautifull alfa 156 2.0 and I love it soooo much but to call something the best .that goes to far.... when you say best I think of well build ,reliable good handling/power... just because someone has a lot of passion for a car maker doestn make It the best car. imo alfa makes very pretty cars and a joy to drive but it spends to much time at the mechanic....
+pearl571 give me an example of best car
The Don there is no best car...every body has an opinion....but IMO its the Mercedes-Benz 190E Evo or the Toyota supra.
B : Bring
B : Back
C : Clarkson
So he can punch another producer? Lmao
147 is by far the more beautiful and desirable car in this comparison. Italian style, wonderful sinphony, hot like a beautiful woman.
Golf seems the fat wife of the turkish cook of the restaurant at the corner.
Focus seems a punk teen. Nice, but not charming to me.
Dale Cooper Soul and Passion...
Really yes. It is like a beautiful woman.
It is the first time I hear someone saying 147 is ugly.
I'm curious to know what do you think about really ugly cars like A3 or Golf...
jack keo ,lol i know what you mean
147 is a lovely car, but comparing my 147 to my 159 2.4, my 159 is waaayy nicer, but they're both just great, and anyone who disagrees is just wrong.
147 never gets old♥️
Learned to drive stick in an Alfa 147 twin spark. I guess because my goal was to learn in an Alfa I was rewarded. Didn't stall once! That car will always be in my heart
2018 and the 147 GTA is still in my 3 top Alfa Romeos after the Brera and the Mito
12 years later, and that value is well and truly making it’s way back!
Alfa have 6 cylinder V made from the genius of Mr Busso, Was the last car after 25 year equiped by this incredible engine
Wasnt the Alfa GT the last one with the 3.2 Busso? Made it till 2007 of 2008. Think they killed of the GTA before that.
@@jorrikkerdijk3954 don’t think it had the Busso, it had the 3.2 General Motors V6.
@@shazmeister2005 the GT was the last with the Busso, I have one now!
0:58 silver screen from midnight club 2 :D
There is just something so warm and comforting about Top Gear between Series 2 and 10.
It is now a proper collectors item, love it, my dad is a mega fun of the brand, he used own the sad model
Alfa Romeo GTA the art of the Street.
Ahh, the days where 250hp was massive in a hot hatch.
the gta even to this day looks fresh, the ford and the golf on the other way look like they come from the last century
Not bothered much about the Focus, but the Golf and the 147 seriously captured my heart. Cannot decide which one to take between the two.
i own a 147 and they really are fun to drive but they do have there ''alfa moments'' but still love it
Tf you mean by alfa moments dude
@@roronora it breaking in a bizzare way and costing a fortune to fix
Does That thing have a busso engine??
Yep
yes, it's something that Jeremy forgot, you don't buy a car, you buy a Busso!!!
I want both the R32 and the GTA. They both have nice sounding engines.
Hehe, mine does that too, and it's only an 80bhp ford fusion :). Seems to be the eco-friendly rubber ford uses for the tyres. I can even lock all four wheels under heavy braking (the ABS doesn't work) and it doesn't even leave skidmarks! Regarding slicks, they're much worse in the rain because the grooves in normal tyres push the water away from underneath the tyre whereas with slicks the water just stays there & separates the rubber from the road so you get less grip.
I would love to have a GTA. When you put an LSD in them, they are absolutely perfect.
Davide Cironi's Drive Experience brought me here
The greatest job by the sound editor yet again
Late 2020 and The 147 still Banging
Love my 147 (and my GTV). Only 2.0 TS but still so much fun. Surprises me more and more.
Twin spark motor is a classic!
i bet it fell apart a few weeks later
@@notfound3358 Nope,its a strong motor if u care for it-I have AR 147 with 2.0Ts :D
@@-chytrus-4474does yours leak like crazy from the valve cover? 🤣. I got a 147 2.0TS a couple months ago. At first, I wasn’t really convinced, but then again, the car was dirt cheap. A couple months down the line, the engine is starting to grow on me a little, but that gearbox….it’s so notchy and the throw is so long, it takes so much from the experience
@@MrPrajitura a little wet but not that bad,about the gearbox maybe something is bad?
jokes on them while those r32 and focusRs is probably already been scrapped for making soda cans, Alfa gained collector car status.
really fire that sound editor....
Mine has a 1.4 litre duratec petrol engine. Dual overhead cam, four valves per cylinder, and the book says 80bhp (60kW) at 5700rpm. The logbook says it was manufactured in 2005. The tyres are Goodyear (or maybe michelin, can't remember) with the word "eco" in the name. I bought it second hand so I don't know exactly how long they've been on the car, or even whether they're the stock tyres hehe :)
R.I.P Top gear and the Grand Tour. Umm... 2019 anyone?
They have specials still.
I had the 1.6 Alfa 147. Loved it and would buy it again in a second 😍
I've got a 2009 147 T spark, the 1.6. I've had it since October, great to drive and it's been faultless
@@robinstreets1792 after one year how has the car been, I may buy one 147 TS 1.6 of 2009 this why I am asking
@@iliaz7057 I changed it for a 1.4 Guilietta, the Turbo version and l absolutely love it.
The 147 was great, engine and gear box were sound, but I was having smaller issues, the parts weren't readily available so had to go to Alfa which wasn't cheap
Out of the 2, I would definitely go for the Guilietta
@@robinstreets1792 gullietta is much more expensive though
@@iliaz7057 I got a 2011 model, it was more certainly, but definitely worth it.
The 147 was great, no major issues, just small niggly ones, just have a good check of the one you are looking at and a decent drive. Make sure there isn't any play in the gear lever, that's one of the issues I had. I could only find the part from Alfa, just a plastic holder that the gear lever sits in, it had worn, and as I remember, they wanted almost £200 for the replacement part
Seen one on coilovers and a front lsd seemed really solid
6:16 always the best shot from the track!
btw, where is the top-gear review of the 147 GTA Autodelta?
Dont compare a Volkswagen or a Ford with ALFA ROMEO !
Alfa Romeo its a highClass Luxury Car !!!
Alfa Romeo ♥
Deft Audio Editor strikes again.
still love my 147 :p its a blackline not a GTa but still kinda the same as it has no locking diffs etc. :) but i have to say i have it now for 3 years and still no errors to report, its just such a good car, it feels diffirent then other cars :)
I reckon the terrible sound is deliberate in order to push you to shell out for the DVDs
Mine is 15 years old, has got 93000 on the clock and still going strong. It wont keep up with the high end hot hatches of today, but it's a damn sight better looking than all of those German square cars :D
93000 in 15 years. Even if that's miles (160000 km) i assume you just drive it and from your mechanic. My Ford Falcon is 13 years old and has 347000 km on it (215000 miles).
Surely you could get a decent after market LSD for it?
I don't know how Alfa ever thought 250bhp and fwd without one was a good idea. That engine though, what a stunner!
Alfa went even further, introducing a 3.7V6 328 bhp version later that year, as for Autodelta, they've managed to improve that already insane performance upto 422 bhp.
Razor Ramon, how can Clarkson complain about wheel wobble after he has wrecked the tyres burning it around the track like that? At least the car tells the driver he has wrecked the tyres!
@@razor_ramon_ That was Autodelta, all of theirs 156/147 came with LSD
What is it with early 2000's tv audio ? the WRC youtube channel has also a problem with sound mixing in their season reviews
lol at the understeer/front wheel burnout 2:36
The Alfa looks much better, sounds much better, is much more comfortable and much faster... even the name Alfa Romeo vs Volkswagen (people's car). Easy choice for sane people.
i had both...soled the alfa after 1 year...it's fun to drive, but really unstable and it doesn't feel kinda right etc. but holy shit it spent more time at my mechanics garage and alfas service than in my own garrage...and trust me, the r32 is ASTONISHING! Seriously, it's almost perfect.
Ibrahim Strika You must have been unlucky with your car then. My 147 is 14 years old and ive only had problems with it once.
one of the best sounding v6 engine ever built
@@MrExzyz i know right. Golf every time.
It's funny that it should have been under 11,000 pounds in three years based on what Jeremy said but this thing is still around 10,000 pounds 17 years later
Any 200bhp 250ftlb+ fwd car requires limited slip quaife diff and often better shocks spings and most importantly arbs. Once fitted they are a fully usable masterpiece.
Great great car. A legend at this stage. And in a few years worth more than new too. All time classic.
2019 still a great car
future classic. a mint one is worth nearly 20 grand now
change the diff and put some anti-roll bars if you decide to buy one and i'm saying this because one of my friends had one (with a new diff and anti roll bars).
And now they are going up in value!
2019 and dang the 147 still looks good. The other two... not so much.
innamorato della 147 grande alfa....
e l'ho comprata dopo questo video ma non gta per colpa dello stato
@@turic95 io l ho comprata 3 anni fa ' ma e una 150 cv m blu elettrico molto bella
@@mikmich4721 fatto bene
I get it. It's a cliche, but Alfas have that special Italian spirit. As a friend of mine said, they make a car dance, not merely accelerate, turn and stop. And they understand aesthetics: the Italians have this view that it's just as important that something be beautiful as functional, if not more. Isn't that sort of what life's about? It's kind of the automotive equivalent of economics or art and poetry. The former is about how we live, the latter is about why we live.
This is what I Like so much about Clarkson. I totally agree with him in his choice of cars now looking back in my old age the Only real classic cars I love are British n Italian cars with the exception of the golf n Peugeot 205 GTIs n of course the AC Cobra, who doesn't Love a Healey 3000 an MGA or a classic Lancia n an Alfa maybe a fiat 124 coupe?
look today at alfa and look to anothers!!! lol
What?
true, true
im going out to hug my italian beauty
Im looknig at one of these, in 2020, and all of the 4 for sale have the Q2 diff and are well maintained/full history. Now how to i break the news to my missus.... hmmm
Everyone complaining about the audio issues. It's not BBC's fault, TH-cam converts the audio to one channel-sound, so everything gets messed up. At least someone said that on another Top Gear video, and it kinda makes sense. If you wanna watch Top Gear for real, do like every sane person would, and download it with Torrents :P
It’s now 2019. A well maintained 147 (btw you can easily fix in a Q2 differential) is worth considerably more than the Golf or the Ford. Easily EUR 12‘000 for a good one. So much to loosing value...
Got it wrong with the Alfa’s depreciation
0:59 anyone else notice the midnight club 2 soundtrack?
Hearing "Silver Screen (Shower Scene)" here after hearing it in Midnight Club II is pretty wild
The RS is like a trackcar for the road, its horrible to drive. Cruisign on the highway in the RS is a disaster. Every little crack on the road pulls you to the sides.
The Alfa is build for the road, and is softer and comfy to ride.. and it have a GREAT engine sound as well.
I would rather have the VW, but the Alfa is still a more usable car than the RS
It's still hot in 2019 ;)
@Thornfox i think its because the original video has surround audio and i guess youtube suppresses it.
With a Q2 it's still a great car, even now!!! And by the way....Busso forever!!!
I couldn't hear anything because of the music
Is nobody going to make a GTA joke? Ugh.. fine.
Rockstar should skip all the Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Corvettes and just get Alfa Romeo in their game.
Lol
Beta Juliet or Julietta
Mikael Soltaniha if rockstar actually added this car, would they legally be allowed to call it the 147 GTA? 0_o
It would probably be called a crazy name in italian or latin.. CERBERUS, I could imagine :D
Mikael Soltaniha GTA means Gran Turismo Alleggerita (with less weight)
@thefirestorm10t
same on their website... In my case if I want to hear him, I have to switch from 5.1 to 2.1... so from surround to stereo, and then it is fixed for me
My big brother had a 147 GTA and it was brilliant! Not particularly unreliable either, and what an engine! I so regret not buying one when they were £5k... Because now they are going up and up and up... And for good reasons!
I had driven it a few times and it was giving you a right kick in the back, brilliant stuff 😎❤️
If only Clarkson would have punched the sound producer
Funny how he mentioned the depreciation but they're no worth more than they were brand new lol.
Really? You couldn't pay me to own one.
now they're worth up to 16k in Italy
1:00 This song makes me miss Midnight Club II.
I have a 2000-made 145, still great.
I can't hear a damn thing he's sayin
When a 147 GTA now costs £10k... Oof
Q2 diff would have sorted all his complaints out which I believe was an option. Go for the JTD diesel 16v for the poor man's version. Obvs the GTA is amazing.
Somehow he was wrong! Today it costs way more compared to mk1 RS& Mk4 R32 Golf! And its a nicer place to be in!That interior is absolutely fantastic!