Swiss K31 to 500yds: Practical Accuracy (Schmidt Rubin shot with GP11ammo)
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What happens when a country of watch makers and scientists make firearms?
The K31 was a design originating from the 1911. Both the rifle and cartridge have century-old elements... and how does it perform to deliver a highly efficient .30 caliber, 174 grain projectile to longer distances?
Ammunition used: Swiss military issued GP11 7.5x55mm, vintage 1981.
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Distance Conversions:
150y - 137m
200y - 182m
250y - 229m
300y - 274m
350y - 320m
400y - 366m
450y - 411m
500y - 457m
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Anything to do with the K31 deserves all the likes I can give.
Yes sir I agree
Me agree three 👍 my K31 is just a joy to own and shoot
A stunning rifle a true marksmans rifle.
at swiss army we are trained to shoot and hit targets with open sights on 300m ... this is standard distance for swiss military service...
Genau 👍
Yes, only private shooting range provide targets under 300meters for the GP11. You can hit a coin at 300 meters with standard GP11, k11 long or k31, with the diopter. And with practice (lot) with iron sigth you can hit a 5cm target from that distance easily.
Christian Ratti you can hit a 1.9” circle at 300 meters with iron sights? How do you see a 2” circle at 300 meters?
@@charlieb308 Well, the visual is a black circle of 60cm wide, but grouping fall within 10cm with iron sight, for decent shooters.
Marc Monnerat 4” at 300 meters is world class shooting, most rifles even with scope and super accurate barrels are lucky to get under that. Best I’ve done with iron sights is 1” at 100, 2-3” at 200 and 6” at 300. But this is not with K31 Swiss rifle, with military AR15/M16A2 with accurized barrel
Diopter or a Scope makes a huuuge difference! The most limiting factor on the Rifle are definetively the sights. I run mine with diopter! The Toblerone joke was great!
Luzian Wasescha the diopter sights really turn this service rifle into a target rifle
I would really like to get a set, but they are so expensive here (and rare)! How hard are they to find in CH?
@@9HoleReviews cant you import from Switzerland?
Luzian Wasescha - I installed an NDT scout scope mount on my K31 which had been re-barrelled with a new 308 barrel in Switzerland as part of a batch they did for export.
I could highly recommend that mount so far. Leaves access for easy stripper clip loading which is half the fun of milsurps to me.
9-Hole Reviews ez pz but still expensive. For about 280$ i could get a original one for you
The straight-pull action looks so smooth. I remember Ian from Forgotten Weapons saying that in general straight-pull is worse than bolt-action, but I would say this Swiss precision mechanism is the exception to the rule.
Straight pull is still bolt action. It's faster than anything short of the Enfield. The Swiss rifles 1889, 96/11, 1911, and K31 are very smooth as is the Canadian Ross. The 1895 Mannlicher is a bit rough getting the bolt open. The Ross, Mannlicher, and Schmidt-Rubin are the only successful military straight pulls. As far as modern straight pulls I think the Blaser is it. Other than .22 rimfires from Browning and whomever makes the Olympic guns for the Biathlon.
I think the general question was "does a straight pull make that much of a difference performance wise" in comparison to regular bolt rifle mechanics. I would say it could potentially be an edge but I think from what I recall from ians video and just listening to other sources. In the grand scheme of things its really not that much of a benefit or makes that great of an impact. Not to say it doesn't provide some measurable difference but really it might be so minuscule it comes off more as an esthetic distinction then anything assuming good manufacturing on a regular bolt rifle action vs. straight pull.
@@kylemichaels3373 there's this fancy German straight-pull rifles that don't get manufactured anymore, which was covered in a Forgotten Weapons video. the bolt uses some sort of magnetism as far as I remember.
@@hoppinggnomethe4154 don't know this one but of German straight pulls, Blaser radial system supposedly is very smooth working.
Made a mud test vid of one of these. It actually did better than most of the turn bolts inrange tested.
The K31 is a beauty and a very accurate riffle, Swiss quality here!
A German soldier is talking to a Swiss soldier:
"How many soldiers could Switzerland mobilize if we were to invade?"
"Half a million within two days."
"And if we invade with a million troops?"
"We shoot twice and go home."
toecutter hahahahahaha and this will be apparent when we show the Kar98k
Other version says that it was a german prince after a shooting event.
Haha
Heard this was said during World War 1 so you got to try the k11, G11, and 96/11 now lol. 👍
Riflemen with bolt-action rifles don’t win wars. Tanks, artillery, planes, and other forms of shock-and-awe do. Lol
I did not know about the sight hold difference on the K31. Learned something.
-Marky
Yeah i own one too, it took me a couple months of shooting to figure out why shots were off when i kept shooting farther out.
Me neither, couldn't figure out why I was consistently high after 200.
Exciting video as usual. Thank you so much. La Gauloiserie (french youtubers) fire an infantry K31 at 1000m (around 1100 yards). They hit the gong every time. This rifle is impressive.
Just bought one! Made in 1942 and has a name tag under the butt plate.
Superb piece of ordnance!
Now this is what I have need waiting for.. buy a K31 a month ago at a show, took it to the range last week and this 80 year old rifle blew me away with 2-3" groups at 200 meters with my tired eyes. that is with PPU ammo no less. Have not even watched the video yet and already commenting ;)
I live in Switzerland and I'm a member of the local shooting club in St. Gallen and even though lots of people nowadays prefer Stgw 90 (SIG 550) or the older Stgw 57 (SIG 510), my favorite gun to shoot is K31. One of the most popular rifle competitions across the country is to shoot 10 shots at 300 meters (~330 yards) using any of the Swiss service rifles (other guns are not allowed) and a special version of open sights called the diopter. I think the target is 1x1m and the maximum number of points you can score per shot is 10, meaning you hit a 10x10 cm or 4 inch circle from 330 yards. I'm pretty new to the local shooting club, but I was able to score 87 points with the diopter. My friend who is a complete beginner scored slightly over 70 points just with the stock open sights! He inherited the gun from his grandfather who got it from the army. The gun might be really old, but if you get one in a good condition, it still offers an excellent precision and accuracy. I've once asked in the store and they told me that a barrel in good condition can last around 2000 shots before being worn out. The guns are quite cheap here, around $300 for one in a good condition, but newly made barrels are also available, although they cost a whopping $1000 for some reason. There are also countless accessories for this gun that allow you to install a picatinny rail, new stocks (including polymer ones, alike for a sniper rifle) and who knows what else, but I don't know why would anyone do that to such a nice gun :D Thank you for making such a nice video!
I think you might have an issue with the extractor on that K31...the Toblerone ejected down and not up from the chamber...recommend you send it back to Switzerland for refurbishment
That 7.5x55 smacks the ish out of those plates.
Lol watch the mosin.
I own one of these k31, a mosin and a k98. The mosin on steel targets like this nearly rips them off the holder.
7.62x54r packs the hugest punch on torse targets. Should try it some time, you can get a mosin for close to 200 bucks.
@@Robert53areaIn a military loading both the 7.5x55 Swiss and 7.62x54R run about 2650fps with a 175gr bullet. No reason the 54R would hit harder. Also I haven't seen a Mosin for under $300 in about 5 years here in the Midwest. While I agree their a great cheap alternative they have nothing on the accuracy or the fit and finnish of a K31, G96, G96/11, or Schmidt-Rubin 1889.
I bought my two K31s from the arsenal when they were on sale for 25.- [about $25] about 20 years ago, one was modified [barrel with an extra rifling, bipod, Kern sight and muzzle brake] the other it is all original to which I mounted the diopter, which I still use at the shooting range. They are exceptional weapons ...
I have to say, that sound is different. And it is so gorgeous.
One of my all time favorite rifles
I had a choice between the K31 and the K11 and I ended up going with the K11 just due to it being a more interesting, historically speaking, rifle to me. I still shoot it all the time. Manufactured in 1914 and still has the soldier tag in the buttplate. I've taken it out to 800 before with no real issues (300m zero). It's one of my favorite guns to shoot still to this day and always a crowd pleaser.
Edit: $200 for the K11 back in the day by they way.
The papa K11's were way cool. Unreal that they were conceived in 1911 too!
Man I missed the hay day of cheap K31's. Almost pulled the trigger on one back when they were in the $200 range and have regretted not buying it ever since!
@@ducktapepilot They're still criminally under-priced!
Nice, a few companies still bring in the K-11's and even some nice K-31's from time to time. The K-31's go quick, like 1 hour and they are gone. But I wasn't all that informed on the K-11, but think I might take the leap on grabbing one asap. Thanks for the heads up.
@@Kman31ca The biggest difference is that the 1911 and K11 locking lugs are at the middle of the bolt. The K31 has locking lugs at the front, and has a shorter bolt/receiver. The 31 bolt was also simplified.
I'm such a k31 fan boy. My favorite milsurp for sure.
Yup
The only downside to owning one, is not owning two.
(I know this was a year ago, but I couldn’t resist being around likeminded people)
Swiss battle rifle magic.
@@hateferlife just picked up number two tonight lmao
I used to have two of these, one from the 30's and one from the 50's. Both still had the soldiers nametag in the butt plate. I traded one away. But I still have the one that was made in the 30's, along with a few cases of GP11. Amazingly good shooting rifle.
These are some of my favorite TH-cam videos 🏆
Cheers! thank you!
Man that dude can shoot....
Such an elegant, simple, beautiful rifle. One of the finest bolt actions, imo, and I wish it got more representation. I also wish new ones were being made!
Best shooting videos on TH-cam. I like how they describe the rifle and there sights. Great shooting with iron sight, that's the way to practice with your rifle. Keep up the fine videos
I have one of these, i love the action, the bolt and the keg bolt makes it amazing, highly accurate and great stopping power
Thanks for testing this, lads. I love straight-pull bolt-actions
I giggled out loud watching this at work when I saw the magic trick and subsequently shared the video with some of my coworkers. Thankfully most of them are very much 2A supporters and firearms enthusiasts like myself.
haha we enjoyed the fruits of that magic trick.
I have 4 Swiss rifles (M1889, 2xK11, K31)and love them all. Well made and beautiful.
I inherited a K31 from my Grandpa who was shooting it semi-professional up to 350m
It's insane how well it still works, the shaft is a bit worn out - needs some sanding and re-oiling otherwise that thing is insane!
Built in 1952
Henry's a great shot. Enjoyed all the WW era Prac Accur series vids!! Excellent series. Thanks guys!
Swiss think about everything. Their guns are just 1st class.
Super rifles these K31's. Never regretted buying my 1943 walnut stocked model and I really enjoy my range time with it.
I love the care-free, joking to the end of videos, make for a great ending! Be really cool that for New years, we get a blooper reel. Plus yalls shooting is great! I don't think i could do what yall do in so few rounds. I kick my self for not getting a K31 when i had a chance. Has there ever been a Milsurp that Henry or Josh feel bad for missing out on?
Cheers man! I'd really like to have an 03A3 and 03A4 sniper one day. -Henry
@@9HoleReviews I have a Springfield 03A3. If you guys want and i get the time to get to the Dallas area. Could you use it in a Practical Accuracy video?
@@Morae88 shoot us a note at 9holereviews@gmail.com or a message on our Facebook page, we've got a back log right now (not enough time to hit the range!), but we can see if we can make it happen!
The end of the video is awesome... keep them coming boys... always appreciate the awesome content you put out for us Pro 2A guys
I just added a mint condition K31 to the collection. Love the engineering of the rifle and they are more accurate than the shooter. Open sights is the limiting factor not the gun.
Outstanding accuracy. You went through the first 5 targets effortlessly. Running that bolt is a pleasure from the prone. Good job man.
What a beautiful gun...and so accurate after 75 years...great video guys 👍🏻 the power of that cartridge was making that steel dance even at 500 yards.
At my (Swiss) club, one of the older guys told me the better riflemen were trained in the army to shoot to 800m with the regular K31 and in the art of self-camouflage.
I own 2 K31's (one self-sporterized with telescopic sight and one with diopter) and a K11. The K11 is still wicked! With the diopter I can get inside 12" at 300m all day.
I've only been able to stretch mine out to 300 yards, so far, but if I do my part, it does not miss. An excellent mechanism that only the Swiss could produce.
I am currently getting it set up with a St. Marie clamp on scope mount with a Weaver K6 scope. We'll see what that squeezes out of her, then I'll be getting a 12 power scope for some more serious target shooting (as accurate as the rifle is, I don't think I'll need more than that for most applications).
SWISS ENGINEERING
La meilleure! Das beste! Il migliore... and I don't know how to speak Romanish :)
The army manual states: for the K31 point of aim 10cm below impact with sights set at 100m, 20cm below with sights at 200m and 30cm below with sights at 300m. The K11 iron sights start at 300m, so it goes as follows: aim 30cm below point of impact at 100m, 40cm below at 200m and 30cm below at 300m. If you cannot find GP11 ammo, you want to try lapua 155gr scenar-L, these rifles love longer bullets, forget 168gr SMK or 174gr FMJ. I load 46.2gr Vihtavuori N140 (min dose) and keep hitting the 10 mark at 300m (4 in.) with iron sights, so I stopped experimenting there.
My family has the last name Rubin, I'm very proud that Grandpa was so important.
That way of sighting is smart. Didn’t know that. Way to go Swiss! Great shooting. The end was funny too
Love the k31,that was exeptional shooting and a good depiction of what that gun will do.
Great video and as always great marksmanship.
Henry, You should do a video about shooting with iron sights. I'm sure a lot of people dont understand the holds, esspecially an old battle rifle like this, mausers ect that elevate to 1k meters or more. I've seen a lot of guys at the range think they're rifle is junk or out of wack because they're shooting a bullseye hold with every shot regardless of distance or target size.
I know the comment is a year old but bloke on the range explains the Iron sights on the k31. A 6 o'clock hold is needed for 300+ m
No BS video and very good shooting sir which is great for experienced shooters. Earned a sub and keep em coming.
Just bought one. Can’t wait for it to arrive and shoot it.
I have a lot of milsurps and my favorites to shoot are the Swiss rifles. They are just so smooth and well thought out.
As anything they make!
Thats my dream gun, this video highlights what a great shooter can do with a great gun
Not an expert but the older military rifles seem to be of a higher quality than what they make today. The kind of accuracy you just displayed was impressive from a 60-70 year old rifle and open sights.
I guess an exception to it would be the current Swiss stgw90 (Sig551) standard issue rifle. But this is shown in the price of it
Swiss rifles are always gonna be great.
russian rifles are trash in comparison
Awesome as always!!...hope you never run outa cool guns to shoot!
I am sorry I have only one like to give
Levan Pkh xoxo
Try a Finnish M39! My SKY is heavily worn and still shoots ridiculous accuracy.
Actually just got one shipped to the FFL.
9-Hole Reviews this is going to be sweet
@@michaelpawluk6791 We need D166 and N140 powder to make the magic potion for the M39 though.
9-Hole Reviews iraqvetran8888 has done this in a video or 2, maybe you can reach out to him
@@9HoleReviews i would never use anything heavier than 180gr on a mosin. The same goes for K98k, but most of the ammo for k98k is 196grain sadly
So, I was surprised that there were no further comments made on this fine rifle. The shooter was not seasoned and used to this run. The misses looked obviously due to shooter error and not to the rifle. This rifle will outshoot you! I keyhole and shot groups touching at 100 yds for me! ALso, try one of the scoped St. Marie mounts or the drill and tapped for a scope... makes this very interesting! Swiss Ammo is consistent !
Sure, I suppose. We've shot a lot of different rifles and this is a pretty decent result. I'm also familiar with the sighting system with similar systems (Finn M39 and Swede M96) outshooting this.
At the end of the day, I'm sure that there are many who can shoot it better than I, and I look forward to consuming their content.
K31 With diopter sights is the most accurate military rifle I've ever shot. I love these videos your not hear to give us a history lesson just a lesson on how to shoot it.
Do something weird like a military shotgun with slugs at abnormal ranges. Or an Italian Carcano aka Kennedy killer. Or a Saiga .308 with its iron sights, even though its not a military issued rifle.
We've got some more stuff upcoming.
@@9HoleReviews i would like to see a 30-30 and 45-70 if you can, thanks!
Dag nab it you beat me to it I just posted the JFK idea then saw this post lol
Re the Carcano, where are they going to get a "magic bullet"?
These are great rifles. I have had a few of them until Norma ammo got so expensive. I bought my fist one for $19 at an army surplus store. Got my second 20 years later for $30. One was an infantry rifle. A long sucker. Then I got a carbine model. I liked it the best. But I didn’t like that long trigger pull.
I wish I could’ve taken advantage of that
Thanks for the K31 vid
Great shooting Henry with an awesome rifle
That rifle impresses the hell out of me. I want!
Not just a good gun, but a good round. I love the 7.5 swiss
Who remembers when big5 sold this dirt cheap along wt mausers MOSINS Enfields I got a cz mauser for 80.00 I miss those days
The only match I competed in was a milsurp 100 yard match. One had to use the issue sights and ammo. I scored third under 2 much more expensive Garands:) That's why I also own a SR M1911 made in 1916-John in Texas
Fellas I really enjoy your videos and content. Great stuff gentleman. Appreciate your service to brudda
Did a mud test video on one of these. The results seriously surprised me.
I just watched the run with the very expensive AR and optic ($3500+). This seventy year old service rifle managed almost the same result, losing only three rounds to the youngster.
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Could be Henry. But that gun is capable!
Henry thank you for mentioning the 1/200 metre hold is bullseye and the 300/> is a 6 oclock hold. Details matter … and are helpful :)
I took my scoped k31 out this weekend and shot 700 yards (my furthest ever) like nothing on a 1/2 D28 plate (14x9). Maybe a 75% hit rate in 10-15 mph wind. Such a sweet shooting rifle. Hand load with a 178gr bullet going 2400 fps. Had about a 22moa come up. Next time I will see if I can try 1000. I feel like this thing could hit pretty easy maybe 50% and the misses are just barely. Maybe a 20" going would hit every single time. I love this rifle! I also shot my m24/47 at 450 with irons and was nailing it nearly every time. I want to get a scope mount for that now too. But a $450 optics rig on a $200 rifle is a little silly haha
Yes! Something to watch at work. Your videos are awesome!
#procrastination
Definitely a bucket list gun to own and shoot
That round was seriously fucking up those plates. Impressive
The Swiss K31 is one of the slickest firing manually operated military rifles ever.
Switzerland. The country that gave us SIG rifles and pistols; Swiss Army knives; Toberone, Lindt, and Nestles chocolates; fondue; watches; Helvetica font; muesli; computer mouse; turbocharger; aluminum foil; cellophane; and Velcro.
Only happened to come across your channel due to someone mentioning in one of forgotten weapons comments that he liked your vids so I thought I'd have a look I've only watched 2 and I'm subscribed hahaha . You breaking the target with your no4 Enfield was a laugh lol. Awesome vids keep it up
Cheers and great to have you around! We're trying to end the year with some exotics too, and we'll push the next video out this coming Thursday.
Love the bolt actions on this course, keep bringing the milsurps out!
The milsurps are almost the forgotten veteran rifles sometimes. Such amazing products!
Great concept on the sights, moving to 6 o clock hold the further out you go. I wonder why that idea hasn't been more prevalent in modern arms. Excellent shooting as usual Mr Chan!
I know right? It's actually a nice touch, and makes so much sense!
Made it look easy! Keep em up boys
I regret selling mine. Someone offered me more money then I paid for it and I thought I could replace it, and then the market dried up. That has happened FAR to many times. I have wised up though, especially with surplus. Now when someone asked to buy something for more then I paid for it, I tell them na, but I can score you one if you really want one. Has saved me from selling my surplus collection, ha.
I have a weird but cool idea how about a Italian Carcano with the same style scope that was used to assassinate JFK?
Easy shots, only 60-80 yards
YESSS, my favorite gun, finally. Keep it up guys!
i really need to pick one of these up....
Great surplus rifles, i got mine for 315 bucks a few years ago. They are probably about the same price today
@@Robert53area They run $6-$800 for nice ones nowadays. $600 for a nice K31 is considered a deal.
@@kylemichaels3373 shit I got mine for a steal then at 475 at a gun show in MD nice clean barrel and no smudged markings or anything. I should've bought 2 of them. As soon as I was walking around with it people wanted to buy it off me
We definitely need the PTR-91 reviewed. PTR vs FAL would be awesome.
That thing packs a punch
That action is so neat
Before the relatively recent mass adoption of optics in the U.S. Army, Soldiers needed to qualify on targets out to 300 meters with their M16 or M4 with open sights. Marines trained to shoot even farther with just irons.
True, every qual. I attended was done as such, and if you had a fairly clean range it was not uncommon to make expert.
Damn that 7.5x55 slaps that steel hard!
Ammo were 37 years old but worked exellent. Rifle without optics and shot very good. This rifle and these ammo were done for real war, not for hunting and other civilian plays, and they do they job. Shooters also are good. Like for video.
cheers. The quality of the rifle and ammo were superb, as you would expect with swiss quality.
Henry is a good shooter. I'm Asian too but I struggled to hit torso size target at 300yards with the same gun and ammo
Love those K31s....wish I would of picked one up at Big 5...about 12 to 16 years ago.. .they plentiful and cheap...I missed the boat...great weapons. Shoe
And the action is as smooth as a Swiss watch
I love my K31except for the wax that drips out of the chamber.
next to the k31, which is a awesome rifle, is the mauser i used to own, a model38 , swedish mauser, numbers matching, 6.5x55 swedish, one of the best rifles i ever owned, a tack driver, with luck, i'll find another one.shakyjake out.
Always good to watch 🙌🏻🙌🏻
cheers!
Do a test on the fn49 rifle in 8mm.
The steel target at 150 yards swings with such force💥👊
Love it. Not into vintage rifles but I really want one.
These rifles will convert someone to the vintage!
Great video as always!
Great video as usual. I knew this rifle would be accurate. Great round.
For the low price of this powerful weapon, I think some scope mods are in order
Hopefully you can do a Swedish M1896 some day. They had those rifles in service as sniper rifles until the 90s, with some of them being marked as guns made in 1899 and 1900. They have a reputation as the most accurate mausers ever made so it would be interesting to see how it does.
This is my favorite rifle to shoot. I picked it up for dirt cheap, and bought 2 battle-packs worth of ammo. Still got about 600 rounds left of gp11 ammo. I've had a few 3/4" groups at 100 yards that surprised the hell out of me in a very pleasing way. To me it just feels right when I'm shooting it. It's heavy, but really doesn't feel that much while shouldered.
I took it out gopher hunting for the fun of it. Ya, gophers don't hold together that well under a 174g bullet lol. Even a few close misses would send the gopher flying just from the impact lol. I got a clamp on scope sight for it. It's off set, and surprisingly holds zero good for the way it clamps on. Plus I can still use the open sights with it. Great rifle.
The 7.5x55 with a 174gr bullet has basically the same ballistics as a .308 even though the case of the 7.5x55 is a fair bit larger. If your bullets are whizzing past gophers I guarantee the blast is not hurting them. That's simply impossible as proven by Demolition Ranch's video of a .50BMG going through a house of cards and not affecting it. Now if your hitting low the dirt could definately be hitting the gophers.