Rolex Submariner Vs Tudor Black Bay 58 Blue - Analysis, beyond the obvious | Hafiz J Mehmood
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Watch References:
Rolex 116610LV 116610LN 116619LB
Tudor Black Bay 58 Blue M79030B-0001
My wrist size in all the clips: 6.5"
My wrist span: 55mm
Watch case size: 40mm on Submariner; 39mm on BB58
Watch lug to lug: 49mm on Submariner; 47mm on BB58
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Finally a TH-cam who does wrist shots with a bit distance. So good. I love it bro!!
Most of the others do Macro shots. So difficult to see how it looks like in real life. Keep on your work man. I already subscribed.
Thanks so much. I’m glad they’re working. I couldn’t find those in others reviews when I wanted to see them myself especially from third persons perspective/view, and that’s when I decided to do it myself :)
@@HafizJMehmood keep up that distance wrist shot! It makes you stand out!
This! Literally every other watch channel should learn from this. I love this channel.
Great job with this vid. The wrist shots from a distance were a really helpful perspective - nobody does that.
Thanks so much. I’m glad they’re working. I couldn’t find those in others reviews when I wanted to see them myself especially from third persons perspective/view, and that’s when I decided to do it myself :)
@@HafizJMehmood you did really good on that. I mean really good, like the best among watch review. Keep up the good work.
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I'm not interested in any of these anymore (I've had multiple Submariners nad Black Bays in the past) so I try to be as objective as possible. Blue Tudor, after getting rid of these gold accents in original 58, is now a direct competitor to Sub in my opinion. Both look sharp, crispy and contemporary. And I think that Tudor is just... better looking watch. In every aspect.... I understand why people go for Sub, there is so many reasons. But if I had to choose one, ignoring all the hype and value retention, just looking at the watch itself, I would go for blue BB58, even if both were at the same price.
mwojciak I’d wouldn’t go for either. Sub is overrated, I prefer my 16600 seadweller. As for the Tudor, it’s a nice watch with an interesting vintage look, but because of that it isn’t as practical as the sub....but the real Tudor successor or competitor to the Rolex Submariner is the Pelagos. It’s truer to the spirit of the Submariner which was designed as a tool watch to be used and abused.
If Tudor made the Pelagos in a slightly smaller size whilst retaining its depth rating and all its feature, it would surpass and out sell all the blackbays and would draw far more people away from Rolex sports watches. But for some reason Tudor seem to be solely focused on their Blackbay range rather than developing the Pelagos any further. Which is a real shame.
@@arghjayem I tottaly agree. I love Pelagos, especially ETA version. and I have one :) In my opinion it is the ultimate no-nonsense tool watch, the only true Submariner of these days.
@@arghjayem just curious which part of bb58 isn't practical as they are both diver's watch with single direction bezel? BTW, I have both and bb58 blue get a lot of my wrist time because it's just so beautiful and comfortable to wear
I am loving my blue bb 58. I agree this you completely and the color really seals the deal for me. Sure, people can say it is just another blue watch, but specifically navy blue watches are hard to find on the market. I am confident this will become a collectible in the future. The sub has the date option and the better bracelet with micro-adjust.
I don’t really have a comment on the Blackbay as it doesn’t really interest me. But I absolutely love my Pelagos. I have owned most iterations of Rolex. The Pelagos seems to hit it directly on the head. I have the left-hand drive version and it is meant to be abused.
The overall sync up to the second between the 2 watches is everything, bravo! 😁
I was happy to get a BB58 navy blue and love it. Great video! Thanks a lot!
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CORRECTION in the vid *** Lug to lug of Rolex Submariner is 47.5mm - my apologies for incorrectly quoting it to be 49mm in the video.
Great idea to compare cases without bracelets, very informative.
Hafiz, you have a knack for dressing with the watch to make it pop. Great job friend. 👍🏼
One of the best videos available today for these models, 👏 congrats for the efforts !!! Your are one of the best reviewers, top 3 for me, keep them coming and good work
Just got my BB58 Blue today. Excellent watch for smaller wrist. Tudor hit the sweet spot with the 39mm dial and compact lug to lug. The colour Blue is a beautiful deep blue and looks really classy. I'm loving this watch and am sure it will get the most wrist time out of all my collection.
Great macro photography!!!....superb quality ...and as always ..really interesting content
Excellent analysis & shots, thanks Hafiz!
By far the best vid comparing the two icons. Keep up the great work my friend. Cheers from Canada!
Great review, amazing shots, many thanks Hafiz:) Nice opening words, couldn't have said better my self, just a tiny bit to add. The journey of watch collecting over time will develop and make preferences more and more specific. We begin by buying almost anything we come across and at some point look for a specific piece, the one our preferences printed in our minds. Not taking in mind all what you said in the opening. Watch collecting in my mind is buying what our preferences dictate, not the trend and not just a collectible which might not meet our standards/criteria. Thanks again for the review, and keep on enjoying watches, making great vids in good health.
Excellent comparison and wrist shots. One of the best watch comparison videos I’ve ever seen.
The one that made me smile, was the Bluesy! Thanks for another great video Sir!
I've seen "hand models" now I know a "wrist model" Loved it! Great photography and discourse. Comes up even better on my tele..
Thanks so much :)
Keep on doing such great videos hafiz. Been following you since day 1
Having both watches you are spot on. I was impressed with your review. You are well spoken and the video was amazing! Great job!!
Awesome video especially the wrist shots which gives a better idea on how the watches wear..
i love my new 58 blue, just so perfect on my wrist!
Great review! Hope to be picking up my BB58 soon
A beautiful video.Superbly presented.Two lovely watches.Impressive soundtrack too.Excellent !
Lovely comparison! 2 amazing watches, great video
Excellent comparison. Great job at describing how different the size of the two watches are besides what is on paper. It would be interesting to compare the new 41mm sub to the bb58 though. It seems that Rolex/Tudor are finally moving away from the maxi case design to slimmer more elegant, more vintage sizes. Great to see this trend and both are beautiful watches. But I love my new bb 58 blue a lot
Nice well thought out commentary. Good vid 👍
Thanks for the video, Hafiz. I enjoy your videos, great job!
Great video as always
I love your videos! Your narrating over that music just just EPIC!
Great job on this video man... I enjoyed every shot 👌🏻
Another fantastic video! Wonderful job on the comparison. At end, as you indirectly stated, there is no wrong choice.
The BB58 brought a smile to my face and my wallet😂😍
Great video, thank you!
Great topic for a video. Congrats! Keep on with your great content!
Many thanks 😊
Top notch review and presentation.
Either one would bring a smile to my face.
Neither are available at AD's.
Great as always, but I need the macro shots!
Wonderful photography and very informative narrative.
BB 58 wins it for me for value and more vintage theme.
The hulk is one of my favourite watches. It’s definitively Rolex. I love the green. It’s a shame about the prices. Ridiculous.
Your reviews are, simply, the best.
concise and comprehensive as always. if i may provide my own owner experience, the hulk and the black BB58 have distinctive charms. the rolex occupies much more wrist real estate and is clinical and sharp in finish whilst the tudor is svelte, warm and soft oozing vintage appeal. pragmatically, the soaring rise in hulk value means i will wear it less than the BB58, which is a great daily beater.
Lucky to own both of these but the Tudor has a charm which is yet to go away after 2 months of wearing it
As always excellent video. Personally I'm glad the boxy lugged submariner has been replaced with tapered lugs, it won't be missed.
Simply love you work bro
I went with the BB58 Blue and a Speedy as I love the vintage domed glass vibe. I feel the standard sub design is cloned too much on other watches, so the black one just didn't pop, but i do still like the Smurf... but then I'd probably prefer the Pelagos bezel.
your shows are actually really amazing! Great show! :-)
not if you still want a Rolex lol.
Another great vid
Great video. I have both 😬 Tudor currently on the wrist
Nice video! Thanks bro :)
I’m lucky to own Hulk and Baby Smurf and love both of them, agree with summary, very different watch in look - color, crown guards, lugs and Weight
I wear my Tudor daily and Rolex for special occasions to pop - thanks for review,
Keen on your thoughts between bb58 and new 41mm no date sub - that would be a good review !
great video!
Awesome video! I’d go BB58 for sure 👌🏽 can you please do a video on the Seiko SPB143 😆
Thanks for telling us about the vold
Beautiful video
Another great video. Thanks. I wear the Tudor simply because it fits my wrist better.
According to the spec sheet on the BB58 it does have a reflective coating on the sapphire crystal.
Amazing video 👍
Appreciate the Great detailed comparisons images. The BB58 is an excellent piece especially when you consider the price tag however, the Sub date does pop so much more by comparison but it comes at a premium.
I like that It doesn't bling as hard as my SMP300m, so it stops trying to shout LOOK AT ME! Dont' get me wrong, I love my SMP300m will never part with it, however, I want to add a new muted look to my lineup. Nice work man!
You mAke some of the best watch videos. Keep it up!
Superb. And you have confirmed what I have long suspected. The Rolex Sub is not for me. I don't care for the bulk at all. And as Rolex has largely vacated the everyday watch space and pushed further upmarket, the Tudor now fills that space brilliantly.
Your wrist shots are superb!
I picked up my Black Bay 58 Blue two days ago and, yes, I do have a smile on my face!
Thanks so much :)
@@HafizJMehmood..... and not a single rude comment about my latest purchase 🤣
I love your videos very much.. I’m at the state of contemplating whether to get the bb58. As I won’t be able to get the sub in AD in this century..
would love a comparison video of the smurf and the blue black bay 58
This was a good watch. Thanks
The tudor is a great watch just don't like how long the minute hand is it bothers me for some reason.
Hafiz releases a new video, I watch immediately!
Thanks so much for the support. It’s viewers like yourself that drive me to do better and more :)
I think its safe to say the Tudor provides a cheaper alternative to the no-date sub. Notwithstanding the historical relations between Rolex and Tudor, hour markers, hands and even the wordings on the dial look similar. What separates them is simply the affordability and availability of these watches.
Nice!
best comparison i've seen
BB58 in blue is by far the better looking watch. The proportions and colours are much more appealing to the eye.
Of course...it will never win the crowd, when compared with a Rolex.
Great video, by the way. Nice style.
Another great video. Could you do a GMT Master II vs. Submariner? Are the lugs narrower on the GMT, less of a maxi case?
Good review Sir! Love my Tudors but I'll take the Submariner everyday
Really good and interesting video pal. 10/10! As for pick the one that suits you well considering you've probably got more chance of winning the National Lottery than getting your hands on a Rolex Sub for me it's the Tudor BB58 in black and rose gold all day long as the wait for one of these is not as long as the Sub!! Hahaha. Keep up the great work and stay safe!!
Solid video, I just can’t get on board with the new Sub. It’s trying too hard with the ceramic and the maxi case. To each their own.
Though both are not my cup of tea, still a great video to enjoy.
Fantastic video. I am going to pull the trigger on the blue Tudor with a NATO :)
Great perspective video! Heft and bezel feel are the two differentiators for me. The Sub has much better heft on the wrist and the bezel clicks are like butter. The Tudor feels like a much less substantial watch. Rotating the bezel feels like skin will rip (I’m sure it’s because I’ve only tried on new Tudors...at least that is what the ADs always say). I would buy one for my sons although. Love your content.
You’re right. The modern subs with oversized lugs are hefty. Buy a Yachtmaster, way more refined.
On paper the 58 looks better and should be more comfortable. I just got the blue bay and it is very comfortable. But nothing can replace the iconic Sub. You know it when you see it. Great vid!!
Hafiz 🙌
I have a Sub (no date), but love the BB58 in blue.
Beautiful watches! But is it me or do bezels look a little misaligned?
And great video mate👍
Best Watch out there
I have the bb58 and the new no date sub, the 58 fits better and is a warmer looking watch. The rolex is what the 58 is copying, and the 58 does a great job. the 58 its a great value. I would recommend as a first watch the 58 and as your collection grows buy the sub. But the 58 will always fit the best.
Very nice video - I am currently torn because my AD has offered my a black bay 58 in either color or a Black Bay GMT. They did say I can wait a full 6 months or more for a sub but I feel that they likely wouldn't sell me one until I purchase a different watch from them first. Would it be overly duplicative to go with the blue BB58 and then have a black sub down the line? The BBGMT would provide a nice variety but with a 6.3 inch wrist and the rumors that next year will bring a BB58GMT, part of me thinks it would be foolish buy. I have been wracking my brain for well over a month - any advice or opinions are helpful!
I very recently bought the Black Bay 58 Navy Blue to compliment a range of predominantly black-dialled watches in my collection that include the classic Rolex Submariner Date 16610 that I've owned for 19 yrs. The Tudor is a super, very well-made luxury timepiece and I appreciate its rather understated blue dial and bezel compared to the 'bling-blue' ceramic of my Omega Seamaster 300. Like-for-like think of the Blue 58 as a more modern take on its original black and gilt sibling. The blue really pops in daylight or in well-lit rooms and a pleasure to wear. Although not quite up there with the Rolex in the absolute quality stakes - why should it be when barely 40% of the steel Sub's price - go to an AD and try one on. COSC certified movement, 70hrs power reserve and great lume. You won't be disappointed
Sorry, how can a domed crystal add more reflection than a flat crystal as quoted, that makes no sense to me?
Rolex are truly the king of clasps and bracelets
What if: a GOLD Black Bay Fifty-Eight...
Bb58 blue is just an unique piece
So elegant and can be compare with Rolex or even pp
Of course not in details but in design&accuracy
I’m glad I’ve get one serving as my daily driver
High end watchmaking is all about the details so no, you cannot compare Tudor to Rolex and certainly not to Patek. Although its design is not original this is arguably one of the best watches you can get for that price (and even higher) price at the moment. It looks good and the quality is also very good.
@@dstfno chill
Put a ceramic bezel on that Black Bay and glide-lock style clasp and I will take it any day looks-wise over no-date Sub
go for rolex if you can. no matter you have black bay or not, you still will buy a submariner
eventually.
Not necessarily. Some people prefer the looks of the Black Bay to the Submariner. Others like the Submariner, but don't want the stigma that goes with wearing a Rolex watch.
I literally just did that. I love the 58 so much but the goal was always Rolex.
Lug to lug on the Sub is not 49mm. It’s just under 48. I’ve owned both and the 58 won for me, that’s before the newest sub just came out though. I’ll be picking up another submariner, but the BB58 is astonishing at this price point and the only thing the Sub really had on it was 100m more water resistance and the glide lock clasp.
Many thanks. Yeah, I clearly need to measure the lugs again. Thanks again for correction.
I have both love both but I recently bought the bb58 in blue love it feels comfortable on my small wrist great watch for price in comparison for price bb58 is the winner
Good comparison. Always like tudor diver watch. But never to pull the triger. Why? Just look at this comparison. Imo there is no contest at all. But the problem is that the subs is only exist in wonderland
Went to an AD which had both new sub date and bb58 blue in store.. (crazy!) going back tomorrow morning to hopefully pick one of them up. The sub just looks so much better in person when standing next to the bb58, but i am thinking whether the sub is really worth 5k euro more. Investment wise yes but judging purely on watch spec, not so sure! What do you guys think?
Here’s how you can get the BB58 for free: buy the Rolex, sell, make $10k profit then use $4k to buy the BB58 and $6k to go on vacation! Good luck buddy
you correctly pointed out the two aspects of the current submariner that bother me -- 1) supercase kind of reminds me of the Seiko turtle case. Both ugly in comparison to the regular case Rolex used to use. 2) non contoured case/lug shape. For smaller and regular wrists, lets say 7.75" and smaller, the lugs stick out and leave space between lug and wrist. For large wrists this isn't an issue. It seems the lack of contour of the maxicase is only suited to maxi wrists. The BB58 lugs curve down and hug the wrist in a much more ergonomic way. It's almost like the maxicase is crude and bloated... don't know why Rolex changed to it. Rolex' Daytona case fits my wrist (7") better as it is more curved and very similar to the shape of the BB58 case.
Ive got a 2021 Sub but my BB58 Blue gets more wrist time.
I want BB58 with a shinny ceramic bezel
Brilliant, the bb 48 blue is absolutely stunning!
But, like a wise man once said, never buy a Tudor in hopes of covering your dreams of owning a Rolex. You’ll never be happy with it then
Buy the Tudor for what it is
I really like the Tudor blue pelagos and Harrods black bay but rightly or wrongly I think deep down I’d always feel like it’s not a Rolex. I know you wear a watch for yourself and not other people but I just have a sneaking suspicion that I’d not be content with the Tudor in the long term