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Just got into F1 and i must say something, the tech and engineering is quite basically becoming the same, so I think that the wheel base being longer is just to cope with the times to allow for better stuff inside. It isn't a 3.5l v10 or v6. I just think the rules are extremely strict, too strict honestly there's no loopholes or BEnding of rules without hurting ferrari's ego. So honestly, i wouldnt mind a mix of both
@@skwisgaarskwigelf331 Yeah, it really hit me a few years ago when a marshall picked up a piece of debris - that relatively small endplate on the front wing looks like a damn coffee table in human hands!
Love the video, very informative! Small note: the 3D viewing effect on the length-width graph to me was kinda annoying, as you see the data fly by but you can’t understand it.
@@Driver61 yea I'm sure you heard plenty about it already but I'd always recommend keeping your x/y axis stationary. If you wanna add movement make the line move from left to right, make sure you can read the graph in the time you show it for
@@Driver61 I would have enjoyed to see the y-axis zeroed (range zero to 6m), in order to get an idea for the order of magnitude variation in dimensions - as it is, the changes seem bigger than they really are. EDIT: This is meant purely constructively - your content is always solid!
I remember standing next to the Brabham BT 53 at the Montreal paddock in 1984, and realizing how tiny it was. If we put it next to this year's Mercedes it would be an amazing contrast. And that Brabham had a 3/1 power to kg ratio with its 1,400 bhp in qualifier mode and 540 kg! That car was a beauty and a beast at the same time.
Old open wheelers are absolutely tiny. Usually the drivers are only just a bit shorter than the cars are long. At the massive expense of safety though.
No car had 1400bhp. They didnt have a dyno that went up that far. But as lots of engineers say about this myth, its the most technologically advanced engine ever as every year it increases horse power by 100 on its own.
@@aobrien2 The famous Brabham BMW had nearly that figure...aound 1340 / 1350 brake HP in qualifying trim. During the race, not at all of course.. they were in the 800/900. 1st Because in the 80' they already tried to slow cars down by banning refuelling and, most important. Those thing had up to 5.2 bars of pressure showed into those turbos, there's no way a thing like that can do more than 2 flying laps before tearing itself apart.
I understand the regulation changes though. Racing is always dangerous, but what happened in the 90s was way too much. It is unacceptable to have 2 fatal and 1 nearly fatal crash in a single race weekend, like happened in 1994 at Imola.
@@jensboomgaard that was 1 weekend. No one had lost their life at a track for 14 years before and none happened after till 2014 to Bianchi under a VSC. So it wasn’t too much it was a freak event
As you said a wider car takes more width out of the track, so overtaking is harder, also this effect doubles because both cars are wider. Same goes lenght for every meter the cars get longer its two meters more of car they need to do a full overtake. If we think about overtaking a truck or a car on the road doing 80km/h its way easier to overtake the car because its much shorter, so for we need less space to complete that overtake. With width and leght also came more space for aeroparts which make them way to dependent on that. I for myself like to see if the drivers have to wrestle the car if they are on the limit, a little oversteer always looks cool and would make the driver more importment. If this trend continiues we may see F1 cars flat out at every corner, which would create boring races (that last one is may a bit over the top but i guess you get the point) I'm not an expert, but in short the cars should be way shorter and more narrow with less aero, without reducing the safety part.
No, that's absolute bullshit. In order to overtake you have to first get alongside the other car. F1 cars used to be over 210cm wide in the 80s until 1993, and IndyCars were also much wider than today's F1 cars and they all battled it out on the track like crazy. Large width is almost never an issue. The tracks are wide as fuck.
@@amjan you shouldn"t be that impolite when you don"t even understand what is being said. car widths are an issue, since not every place on track is equally fast, drivers mostly use very similar ideal lines, and any overtake is a deviation from that to a slower line. also, as you said yourself, for an overtake to happen you have to get alongside first, and then ahead. that is 2 car lengths difference you have to make up somewhere.
It’s not entirely possible to have way shorter and more narrow cars without reducing safety at this moment. But moving back to ground effect is a good start. It helps to reduce the aero load on the chassis, so in the next major rule change, this can be possible.
I'd love to see a limit on maximum wheelbase. Let's say 3200mm or thereabouts. EDIT: Interesting, I had no idea that the 2022 regs included a wheelbase limit. Still, 3600mm is a bit much.
I start watching formula 1 in the Alonso era, 2005 or 2006 I can't remember. But the car from 1998 to 2008 was the best one in my opinion. The looking was awesome. The speed as well. Good overtaking. I think if we go back to those dimensions, and maybe give more freedom given to the team, F1 will be incredible.
Aha, that sure explains why the F1 of ~2005-2012 looked so much cooler. My only concern for 2022 is that better overtaking ends up making things too easy for teams with faster cars. Specially seeing how Alonso keeping Hamilton behind on a freaking Alpine has been one of the highlights of this season.
As you said in the beginning of the video the cars do look much slower than footage from say a decade or two ago, interestingly enough it actually has a lot to do with the aspect ratio of the footage. I forget the exact details of how it makes them look slower but it’s basically to make it easier to follow what’s happening I believe.
You touched briefly on the size of the fuel payload - I feel no refueling is the most arbitrary and backwards thinking regulation F1 has ever incorporated. Over 50 years ago Indycar changed the rules to require methanol (now ethanol) to improve safety on the track and in the pits rather than eliminate refueling. In this day and age there is not one single benefit from requiring a race length supply of petrol be carried by each race car. Just ask Romain Grosjean.
Give me a small, v10 hybrid, with smaller tyres, smaller rims, simplified front and rear winged f1 car. Start changing tracks backs to what they used to be like eau rouge, tamberello and 130 r, just with extra padding and protective barriers. Then just maybe will f1 be as good as it ever was. And 2000s tyres and refueling....... and no drs
When showing graphs please make sure to have them flat and big on screen so we can pause the video and look at It. What the editor did on this one kinda detracts on the effort he/she undoubtedly puts in.
You forgot to mention one thing... shorter wheelbases also make for quicker overtakes because there is less car length to overtake in the first place, so you have to spend less time side by side before you've got passed that other car you over trying to overtake.
Race organizers should ,organize a special type of race with no limitations and restrictions, except for 5 , it should be safe to drive, must not exceed a given horsepower ,should no not hold more than a specific amount of fuel, should not be wider than x meters, should not be longer than y meters.
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The part that really bothers me about the new cars(apart from the hub caps-yuk!)is the length and especially the weight. The two meters width is great with the wide tires. But for F1, inside of 20 years, to have gained near 200kg is absurd. I think that the team that designed the new cars should be given a new mission: put F1 cars on a diet to shed at least 50-75kg. If you look at the cars of the 90’s-00’s on track, they have such quick change of direction and appear agile, lithe, and trim. I think this can be achieved without sacrificing safety.
My American self loves the look of the beefy cars. Probably has to do with me liking the muscle era but if smaller cars mean more action then I’m all for it
Actually, the biggest reason why cars today "feel" more stable is because FIA and their crappy video stabilization. The tech is wonderful, I can never imagine such SMOOTH footage from a track monster F1 Car, but it makes it feel lifeless. My point is proven crystal-clear by the un-stabilized helmet-cam that has come this season. Just remove stabilization, maybe briefly or reduce its effect briefly. The absolute and utter violence of even this generation cars.
The 2005 car Fernando drove in Abu Dhabi pretty much showed everyone wanted the return of shorter more nimble cars and the onboards at the time made them look incredibly fast. Nowadays these cars look slow even though they're much faster even from the outboard shots which may be down more to the FOV or aspect ratio of these cameras
I totally agree with you. I wish F1 cars were still smaller. They are getting too big and hard to pass. More about racing the track these days than racing eachother.
2:55 So I took a close look at this graph and I can't agree with you. First, cars from 1970 to 1998 were even wider than today ones, let alone 1999-2015 cars. Second, most of the tracks were narrower than the current ones. So to me it doesn't look like the size is the biggest factor for overtaking problems. Forcing the cars to be a few centimeter shorter won't have any significant affect. They should address the main issue which is probably the aero.
Great video! It is amazing how large the cars have gotten and agree that we need to see the size reduced. Maybe not to the level of 2004, but maybe to 2017 levels. None the less I'm very interested to see how the new 2022 regulations work out. It will probably will take a couple years to really have an answer if this reg change worked as intended (the logic behind these reg changes do make sense). Personally, I think they need to scrap tracks like Monaco unless they reduce the size of these cars as the current size is too large for tracks like that.
I think a good way to reduce the length of the car is to get rid of the massive turbo, seeing as the MGU-H is being scrapped for 2025, and the MGU-K could probably return back to it's KERS configuration. Also shorten the wheelbase and width while we're at it too, lets make them look like rockets again.
Graphics like 3:04 are infuriating for a scientist like me. I never had the chance to take a look at the X and Y axis and what this actually means, instead I get a moving upwards trajectory line that absolutely tells me nothing and I have to hear you tell me how much longer the cars got. Static images are not always bad.
Shorter cars. Narrower cars. V8's turbocharged with downforce from under the chassis. Not for the sake of old school, but for the sake of the fun. I am not a V10 sound guy but I would rather have old school motors without all the hybrid stuff. The cars are safe enough now to bring back some of the old danger and crazed horsepower. If we keep going in the current direction the cars will be as long as a bus.
I couldn't be less interested in the F1 sport. But I could easily watch hours of MotoGP although I don't own a bike yet alone have permission to drive one. Sport is not about results, it's about entertainment, and watching F1 feels like watching computers race instead of humans. MotoGP is all about technique and it's mesmerizing to watch
I think the biggest thing that should be fixed is the max width of the car. Reduce it by 20-30 cm and it would be much better. Everything else is less important. The reason every team is going to always build up to max width allowed is that with human driver, the cockpit always has some minimum size and minimum center of gravity. And to get that center of gravity through corners faster, you want to put the wheels as far away from the driver (sideways) as possible.
TBH, since the halo went onto the cars, I totally quit watching. Approximately 3 weeks ago I saw a 2021 Ferrari in profile and thought it to be some sort of exaggeration because the car is so long and out of proportion, the wheels looking tiny and the driver sitting soooo far back. The cars are hideous to my eyes. I much prefer the open-ish cars on short wheelbases. All of this extra equipment along with a huge fuel cell just takes away excitement. If I was the "head rule maker" of F1, I would have car length, width, and height rules. Add up an sensible length, width, and height, whatever that number is, the cars must fall within that total number with very very minor discrepancy. The cars can toss the hybrid crap to the bin...or not. Run a huge fuel cell, or not. The Formula would be set for the length+width+height total and an engine displacement limit, purely N/A, no rev limiter, no fuel flow restriction.
Make the battery pack and electric motor smaller, and the ICE more powerful. This could shorten and lighten the cars, and drive further battery innovation.
Formula E is doing the right think. Gen 3 car is the smallest of all. They are decreasing the size and despite the first race borefest, the last ones where pretty good with plenty of action. F1 needs to follow the example and go back with smaller cars.
I know monaco has been around since the day formula 1 started but in my opinion I think they should just get rid of the track now it's too tight as the cars a larger which makes overtaking kinda impossible to do and it's not like they can make the track any wider as it's a street circuit they either need to move the monaco gp somewhere else or make a new circuit somewhere
I'd love to see smaller, lighter, pure electro cars.The agility would be insane. Sure, we lose the sound - but for sound, bring back the V10 - sounded way better. The abnormous length really makes the cars a good bit uglier.
Still wish they pushed harder and the cars even shorter. The new 2022 regs are a step in the right direction, but Monaco, Abu Dhabi and a few other circuits are still going to be an absolute snoozefest.
F1 of the 80's and 90's were spectacular, the change of direction was crazy! F1 back then looked like the best cars in the world, they could do it all and is what caught my attention as I was still an indy/nascar fan back then. Then again the races were always in the middle of the night if we got them at all. A habit I still have, I watch them live not in replay. Something the announcers never seem to get to this day. I get it that the European and British hate Americans but we love the sport and wish we were treated better honestly. Both in the coverage and allowance of our drivers in the sport, Haas pisses me off in this respect. I wish Michael and Scott never drove in F1 had I known how it would affect American drivers to this day.
Pure racing is almost "mission impossible" with this aero-trucks. You could see some epic wheel to wheel racing in historic films in Zandvoort with few cars next to each other... Not in 2021...
How long were the cars from the late '80s? They also had to cover the full race distance without refuelling (and had about 150kg of fuel at the start of the races)
You totally missed the main reason for longer wheel base and that is longer wheel base cars are more stable in corners are less inclined to spin then short wheel base cars.
They'd have to get rid of the battery for the cars to get significantly smaller and lighter again. That's up to the engine manufacturers. F1 either needs to play their game and add hybrid systems for the sake of 'road relevance' or abandon it entirely in favor of a lower cost spec engine concept that runs on renewable fuels like ethanol, hydrogen, or something else. Unless F1 is willing to go full electric it will have to accept that it will likely need spec engines at some point because Internal Combustion Engines likely have zero road relevance in the long term. So F1 may end up being powered by engines made by specialists like Ilmor + Cosworth + Ferrari but rebranded with the labels of big car manufacturers like IndyCar does. There's interesting engine concepts out there as well like the CITS two-stroke that F1 could explore. There might not be anything wrong with this approach either, it just sends a different eco-friendly message. If F1 wants to truly adopt an environmentally friendly image they should tackle the air travel and fleet of trucks they use to get to every race instead of the race cars. To paraphrase Jay Leno "You drive your environmentally friendly car during the week so that we can still go racing on the weekends."
I really hate the idea of more regulations. I love it when engineers have freedom over the design of the cars. But these cars need to be made smaller to make the sport better. And one way they can do this is reintroducing refueling. And before you start saying something about safety, WEC, Indycar, NASCAR, etc. all do this with no problems at all
I keep wondering why they're always talking about wanting to make the racing more interesting and continually failing. Their priority appears to be to see faster lap times each season while making the cars and racing less exciting.
The data for width in your graph at 1:25 is wrong: it shows the width as going from 2 meters in 1995 (which is correct) to something around 1650 for 1996, then back up to 1800 for 1997, skyrocketing back to 2200 for 1998, and then down to 1800 for 1999 and later (which is correct). The only change was from 2 meters up to and including 1997, to 1800 in 1998. I wonder if this is a data input error into the spreadsheet, or a data collection mistake which would cast a doubt over the veracity of the whole graph.
What would you think about F1 switching to more of the Le Mans Hypercar model (once it’s proven) where they have to be tested for a few specific things including the actual amount of downforce (and perhaps dirty air) they produce vs rules about the form of the car? Seems like this would lead to way more variability in the cars which could be interesting, but also obviously has its own challenges with developing cars during season etc.
For serious racing, the smaller more agile cars generally are much more fun to watch. While watching school busses on a figure 8 track is amusing, watching limos at Bathurst or Monaco would likely be boring as (appropriate 1 letter word here). The shorter the wheelbase the less stability and thus more control in the driver's hands. While the manufacturer's title is important to teams, it's the driver's championship that is usually of most interest to fans. This reminds me of the complaints expressed during the active suspension era that the cars practically drive themselves (coming soon to a track near you) and that the driver's championship was largely a farce at that point. It's certainly something the FIA needs to consider when establishing the formula for F1.
These cars are massive, bigger than a Le Mans car. Reduce the wheelbase more that the proposed 2022 size. Reduce the side of the front wings both in height and depth, remove 2 of the 4 planes and reduce the rear wing. Get the cars moving. But mostly, remove the carbon brakes and go back to metal, to give an actual braking zone of decent length, or reduce the diameter of the carbon brakes, no doubt these will grow into the 18" wheels unless there is a rule on their diameter. Weight, get 100 kg out of these things. Get rid of the Hybrid crap and lets have a 2.0ltr V8 screamer.
Yes keep moving in the right direction. Size should be reduced and performance hits should be offset by relaxing fuel flow restrictions, which should make a slightly louder car too!
Even if i totally agree that the old cars looked much faster and better, there is one thing thats wrong in this video. It is said that when the cars width got reduce, the length also was reduced. But thats not true. The cars in 1997(2000mm wide)were about 4,35-4.40 metres long. But the cars from 1998 onwards(1800mm wide) did not get shorter. 1998 the cars had the same length and even got longer in the years following(2000 - about 4,54 m-the had already become 20cm longer!) This was because of the need of more underfloor-area to produce downforce and also because the wheelbase had to be increased, to give the narrower cars back some stability that was lost due to the narrower track. Longer wheelbase improved lateral and longitudinal weight transfer and gave the aerodynamicists and designers more space for packaging (and lowering the CG)and aerodynamic-downforce production. Also saying the suspensions were "unrefined" is not really fair to say. A lot of work went into the geometries of the suspension in the late 90's and early 00's and the geometries itself brought much less restrictions than the geometries that followed later because of the zero keel-philosophy. The basic layout, introduced in 1998 by Rory Byrne, with vertical dampers and horizontal torsion bars pivoting on vertical rockers and a sophisticated anti-roll bar jointed at the centre and a third damper pivoting at the top on the rockers, is still in use today, even if there was a lot of developement of course(rotary dampers, mass dampers, j-dampers, fric, additional dampers etc.).
Lets compare the amount of FATAL crashes of F1 Races in the 2010's-2020's to the FATAL crashes that happened to F1 drivers in the 1970's-1990's And see which is safer Its obvious that the newr cars are safer bro
He was also just downright wrong about the f-150 number. They are longer yes but f1 cars are only 2m wide which is about the same as a honda accord and smaller than a f150 by a few centimeters for the narrower models.
Can I tell the difference between 320kph and 300kph when an F1 car zooms past me? Probably not. Can I appreciate a car slowing from 300kph to 60kph in the span of how far I can piss? Yes. Yes I can. And it was especially impressive when you could see the carbon fibre rotors light up like the sun in an instant during hard braking.
@@MediHusky nah check out the formula 1 tracks and thier braking points. It's like at least 20m away from the turn. Especially at the end of a straight. And even if they were 10m this guy says he can piss as the distance they take to brake. So If we take any reasonable distance he can piss farther than 10m.
Fully agreed, it's something I've been thinking for years now - the cars have just become so huge that it's made certain tracks almost impossible to overtake on. I miss the nimble darts from the late 90s and early 2000s, definitely my favourite era for cars.
I got hooked on F1 in the late 90's early 2000s, the cars just looked violent. They were quick to start, quick to change direction quick to slow. They may not have been faster, but the LOOKED and SOUNDED faster, and that is what is important. Fans don't care about the stopwatch really, they want to see the drivers tame a beast that looks like the average motorist couldn't dream of driving it.
The modern cars don't make as much of an impression on me as the cars from around 2005 did. I had always attributed this to the fact that I watch F1 more regularly now and I've become accustomed to the speed, but more stable and less agile cars is another good explanation.
Need them to go back and update the running order graphics to something watchable. Back even a couple years ago the on-screen graphics made it very difficult to follow the race vs what we have now, and go back to the early 2000s or the 90s and its basically unwatchable.
I recently watched a clip of highlights from 2012, and those cars just looked faster. They also seemed way more agile, when they pulled out from behind a car to pass it looked way more quick and violent compared to the slowness of todays cars.
Watch Mick Schumacher drive his dad's 91' V8 Jordan 191 and see how excited and happy he is. Describing it as "so pure" and "true" and how connected you are with the car - being small, light, loud engine noise, a manual gearbox, no power steering. The F1 cars of the early 90s are the most beautiful. If only they would bring that style and form of racing back but with the modern safety of today. It will never happen even though it would be successful and more entertaining for the fans. The 2021 season is OK but the hybrid era F1 is not as exciting. It's not even close. This video demonstrated a small part of that. The cars today are basically a computer with a quiet engine and 4 tyres.
F1 really screwed the sound up too. Not even a hybrid problem, next gen WRC and BTCC cars are hybrid and still sound awesome. The engines are the same displacement too, just two less cylinders.
That's true, Mick really enjoy driving old Formula car, even though he drive Michael worse Formula car he still enjoyed it more than current Formula, not to mention when he drive Michael's Ferrari F2004 which is much better. That alone enough to explain why current F1 car sucks so bad.
actually it was the 90s where a lot of the tech innovations were made, those were times where there was ABS, traction control, even automatic gearbox and not manual lol, and maybe more. so no, it wasnt actually all just pure in that period, changes come and go. its a sport that's continuosly changing so you cant just say this period was good or bad, its like all one period . in the modern f1, they have actually reduced the driving aids , so the 90s were not "pure" racing at all, more like the opposite, and also, power steering was introduced at that time and was used a lot, which is something that is still continued today and didnt get banned.
While the cars today are absolutely brilliant technically speaking, and faster than anything that's come before; they unfortunately cannot compare to the sheer spectacle of the racing from the cars of 15-20 years ago. And that's not even including how they sound.
I don't remember any spectacle in the early 2000... It was when people came up with the phrase "Formula Boring". If you want a bit more action (not much, mind you) you have to go back at least to the late '80s. And still it wasn't comparable to something like Moto GP. On F1 Access there are lots of races from back in those days, I suggest to watch some of them to actually see what was the "spectacle" 40 years ago.
Totally agree on them not looking as fast. We were amazed recently watching some replays from 2012 at how fast they looked, how easily they could pass, and most of all how quick the starts looked. I would love to see smaller and more agile cars, which can follow better - but only as long as it doesn't impact driver safety.
Those cart cars where absolute animals. But top speed like f1 goes for has nothing to do with great racing at all. Seen more entertaining and competitive mx5 races than alot of f1 races.
Those CART cars were still shorter than today's F1 boats. They were perfectly PROPORTIONAL. They were wider making them look absolutely BEASTLY. Fantastic cars!
i agree, recently i watched some older 1990s footage and i was like, damn, these cars look like they are really alive and the drivers actually wrestle the cars around corners, whereas todays F1 looks super clinical and planted, as if the cars drive on rails. I used to watch F1 when i was a teen, i watched almost every race starting 1993 until i believe 2006 (basically the Schumacher era). yes the current cars are faster and for sure more safe but as far as the excitement of actually watching them race goes, its to me really a borefest, i can't get invested at all, thats why i switched to watching GT races, current GT3 cars for example feel much more alive and on top of that still sound like real racecars should. go watch for example a race of the Porsche Carrera Cup and then compare that action and visuals to what you get from a modern F1 race, its just so much more exciting to watch. i get it that F1 has always been the 'pinnacle' of racing and also a platform to push new technologies that eventually came later to everyday cars, but man, as a motorsport F1 to me at least is for years now not the pinnacle anymore.
If I was every arsed to make a video, this is the video I’d make. Two thumbs up. It’s important to remember that the big jump in length was to keep drivers legs behind front axle for safety.
I like 2.5D graphics as much as the next guy and I love the technique and use it all the time…it’s maybe not a great choice for a graph I am trying to look at. Also you missed some collapse transforms switches in AE (assume shape layers or vector files) so the resolution is a bit wonky. There’s a lot of specific tricks to getting that right.
@@joshuawilliams2996 they are bigger in part to accommodate the hybrid power unit which adds more weight. They are also heavier because a hybrid power unit weighs more than a straight ice (~145kg vs ~85kg). You need structure to protect the batteries which are not a stress bearing member so that is excess structural weight.
@@Hello_there_obi Yes, they are heavier. But weight is possibly the most over rated metric in the sport. And this video didn't echo your sentiments at all: it said cars have gotten bigger in dimensions, but given the state of other classes, it is likely that f1 can reduce car length and width.
@@joshuawilliams2996 But never will they be anything close to the size of pre-hybrid cars because of all the additional components that need to be carried, this was stated in the video.
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Heads up you forgot to link the reddit post you were using as a source.
I fully agree. Modern F1 cars are oiltankers.
Just got into F1 and i must say something, the tech and engineering is quite basically becoming the same, so I think that the wheel base being longer is just to cope with the times to allow for better stuff inside. It isn't a 3.5l v10 or v6. I just think the rules are extremely strict, too strict honestly there's no loopholes or BEnding of rules without hurting ferrari's ego. So honestly, i wouldnt mind a mix of both
The cars of 2020 never looked better. Just make wider tracks...
@@itsthatginger1 Thanks, on it!
if you've never seen an F150 you wouldn't imagine how massive it is, the fact an F1 car is larger is crazy
Just look at the front wing when the mechanics are carrying it. It is MASSIVE.
@@skwisgaarskwigelf331 Yeah, it really hit me a few years ago when a marshall picked up a piece of debris - that relatively small endplate on the front wing looks like a damn coffee table in human hands!
On the other hand, I once stood next to a Mazda 787B and I was surprised how small it was...
I've seen one, trust me, those things are huge.
What F150 though? Long box, short box, regular cab, crew cab, double cab, extended cab?
Love the video, very informative!
Small note: the 3D viewing effect on the length-width graph to me was kinda annoying, as you see the data fly by but you can’t understand it.
Thanks for the feedback, taken on board! Glad you enjoyed the video, though!
@@Driver61 no problem man, overall your production quality is sky high :) only recently found your channel, but is has been great binge watching!
I agree, only thing that was bothering me. Great video as always, nonetheless!
@@Driver61 yea I'm sure you heard plenty about it already but I'd always recommend keeping your x/y axis stationary. If you wanna add movement make the line move from left to right, make sure you can read the graph in the time you show it for
@@Driver61 I would have enjoyed to see the y-axis zeroed (range zero to 6m), in order to get an idea for the order of magnitude variation in dimensions - as it is, the changes seem bigger than they really are.
EDIT: This is meant purely constructively - your content is always solid!
I remember standing next to the Brabham BT 53 at the Montreal paddock in 1984, and realizing how tiny it was. If we put it next to this year's Mercedes it would be an amazing contrast. And that Brabham had a 3/1 power to kg ratio with its 1,400 bhp in qualifier mode and 540 kg! That car was a beauty and a beast at the same time.
Old open wheelers are absolutely tiny. Usually the drivers are only just a bit shorter than the cars are long. At the massive expense of safety though.
No car had 1400bhp. They didnt have a dyno that went up that far. But as lots of engineers say about this myth, its the most technologically advanced engine ever as every year it increases horse power by 100 on its own.
@@aobrien2 The famous Brabham BMW had nearly that figure...aound 1340 / 1350 brake HP in qualifying trim. During the race, not at all of course.. they were in the 800/900. 1st Because in the 80' they already tried to slow cars down by banning refuelling and, most important. Those thing had up to 5.2 bars of pressure showed into those turbos, there's no way a thing like that can do more than 2 flying laps before tearing itself apart.
I understand the regulation changes though. Racing is always dangerous, but what happened in the 90s was way too much. It is unacceptable to have 2 fatal and 1 nearly fatal crash in a single race weekend, like happened in 1994 at Imola.
@@jensboomgaard that was 1 weekend. No one had lost their life at a track for 14 years before and none happened after till 2014 to Bianchi under a VSC. So it wasn’t too much it was a freak event
As you said a wider car takes more width out of the track, so overtaking is harder, also this effect doubles because both cars are wider. Same goes lenght for every meter the cars get longer its two meters more of car they need to do a full overtake. If we think about overtaking a truck or a car on the road doing 80km/h its way easier to overtake the car because its much shorter, so for we need less space to complete that overtake. With width and leght also came more space for aeroparts which make them way to dependent on that. I for myself like to see if the drivers have to wrestle the car if they are on the limit, a little oversteer always looks cool and would make the driver more importment. If this trend continiues we may see F1 cars flat out at every corner, which would create boring races (that last one is may a bit over the top but i guess you get the point)
I'm not an expert, but in short the cars should be way shorter and more narrow with less aero, without reducing the safety part.
No, that's absolute bullshit. In order to overtake you have to first get alongside the other car. F1 cars used to be over 210cm wide in the 80s until 1993, and IndyCars were also much wider than today's F1 cars and they all battled it out on the track like crazy. Large width is almost never an issue. The tracks are wide as fuck.
@@amjan This. Most of the tracks are too large for car widths to matter.
@@amjan you shouldn"t be that impolite when you don"t even understand what is being said.
car widths are an issue, since not every place on track is equally fast, drivers mostly use very similar ideal lines, and any overtake is a deviation from that to a slower line.
also, as you said yourself, for an overtake to happen you have to get alongside first, and then ahead. that is 2 car lengths difference you have to make up somewhere.
Surprised it took so long for somebody else to point this length issue out. Good job!
It’s not entirely possible to have way shorter and more narrow cars without reducing safety at this moment. But moving back to ground effect is a good start. It helps to reduce the aero load on the chassis, so in the next major rule change, this can be possible.
I'd love to see a limit on maximum wheelbase. Let's say 3200mm or thereabouts.
EDIT: Interesting, I had no idea that the 2022 regs included a wheelbase limit. Still, 3600mm is a bit much.
2004 was the pinnacle…and just as quick as the current formula. Current fast laps during the race are ~ 1s slower than 2004 fast race laps.
But 2004 F1 were much faster on straights
Modern F1 cars can't even reach 320 kph
See boys Longer is FASTER but WORSE... I rest my case.
Smaller, lighter, and more agile cars, please! We want to see racing that doesn't seem robotic and isn't over in the first few laps.
Who is here in 2023 and still there is a need to get these cars smaller as they look like boats and are hardly as nimble as the ones of yesteryear.
YESSSS
Me aswell.
I start watching formula 1 in the Alonso era, 2005 or 2006 I can't remember. But the car from 1998 to 2008 was the best one in my opinion. The looking was awesome. The speed as well. Good overtaking. I think if we go back to those dimensions, and maybe give more freedom given to the team, F1 will be incredible.
Aha, that sure explains why the F1 of ~2005-2012 looked so much cooler.
My only concern for 2022 is that better overtaking ends up making things too easy for teams with faster cars. Specially seeing how Alonso keeping Hamilton behind on a freaking Alpine has been one of the highlights of this season.
As you said in the beginning of the video the cars do look much slower than footage from say a decade or two ago, interestingly enough it actually has a lot to do with the aspect ratio of the footage. I forget the exact details of how it makes them look slower but it’s basically to make it easier to follow what’s happening I believe.
You touched briefly on the size of the fuel payload - I feel no refueling is the most arbitrary and backwards thinking regulation F1 has ever incorporated. Over 50 years ago Indycar changed the rules to require methanol (now ethanol) to improve safety on the track and in the pits rather than eliminate refueling. In this day and age there is not one single benefit from requiring a race length supply of petrol be carried by each race car. Just ask Romain Grosjean.
It would even be more fuel efficient to allow refueling again.
It’s a very expensive overhead for teams and a variable that can be removed entirely to force innovation towards fuel efficiency and other areas
@@Bot_967 not really. You can still just allow a max of 110kg fuel per race, even with refueling
Give me a small, v10 hybrid, with smaller tyres, smaller rims, simplified front and rear winged f1 car. Start changing tracks backs to what they used to be like eau rouge, tamberello and 130 r, just with extra padding and protective barriers. Then just maybe will f1 be as good as it ever was.
And 2000s tyres and refueling....... and no drs
Yes, the rear wing might be bizarre but it looks lovely IMO! I'm hyped to see how these new cars will perform!!!
I’m sorry but the way that graph was displayed at the beginning made me choke on my drink laughing 😂🤣Were we really expected to read that 🤦♂️
When showing graphs please make sure to have them flat and big on screen so we can pause the video and look at It. What the editor did on this one kinda detracts on the effort he/she undoubtedly puts in.
You forgot to mention one thing... shorter wheelbases also make for quicker overtakes because there is less car length to overtake in the first place, so you have to spend less time side by side before you've got passed that other car you over trying to overtake.
As long as safety Is the number one priority I don't mind what they look like
Race organizers should ,organize a special type of race with no limitations and restrictions, except for 5 , it should be safe to drive, must not exceed a given horsepower ,should no not hold more than a specific amount of fuel, should not be wider than x meters, should not be longer than y meters.
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That was a well edited, informative video. Well done.
The part that really bothers me about the new cars(apart from the hub caps-yuk!)is the length and especially the weight. The two meters width is great with the wide tires. But for F1, inside of 20 years, to have gained near 200kg is absurd. I think that the team that designed the new cars should be given a new mission: put F1 cars on a diet to shed at least 50-75kg. If you look at the cars of the 90’s-00’s on track, they have such quick change of direction and appear agile, lithe, and trim. I think this can be achieved without sacrificing safety.
My American self loves the look of the beefy cars. Probably has to do with me liking the muscle era but if smaller cars mean more action then I’m all for it
Actually, the biggest reason why cars today "feel" more stable is because FIA and their crappy video stabilization.
The tech is wonderful, I can never imagine such SMOOTH footage from a track monster F1 Car, but it makes it feel lifeless.
My point is proven crystal-clear by the un-stabilized helmet-cam that has come this season. Just remove stabilization, maybe briefly or reduce its effect briefly. The absolute and utter violence of even this generation cars.
The 2005 car Fernando drove in Abu Dhabi pretty much showed everyone wanted the return of shorter more nimble cars and the onboards at the time made them look incredibly fast. Nowadays these cars look slow even though they're much faster even from the outboard shots which may be down more to the FOV or aspect ratio of these cameras
Expecting F1 to declare their new regulations for SUV design of the cars for their next big revision.
Alonso in his Renault in Abu Dhabi in 2020 Looks so fast, light and agile. 👌🏻
I totally agree with you. I wish F1 cars were still smaller. They are getting too big and hard to pass. More about racing the track these days than racing eachother.
2:55 So I took a close look at this graph and I can't agree with you.
First, cars from 1970 to 1998 were even wider than today ones, let alone 1999-2015 cars. Second, most of the tracks were narrower than the current ones. So to me it doesn't look like the size is the biggest factor for overtaking problems. Forcing the cars to be a few centimeter shorter won't have any significant affect. They should address the main issue which is probably the aero.
Monaco will be gone from calendar if cars keep getting larger and larger
Great video! It is amazing how large the cars have gotten and agree that we need to see the size reduced. Maybe not to the level of 2004, but maybe to 2017 levels. None the less I'm very interested to see how the new 2022 regulations work out. It will probably will take a couple years to really have an answer if this reg change worked as intended (the logic behind these reg changes do make sense). Personally, I think they need to scrap tracks like Monaco unless they reduce the size of these cars as the current size is too large for tracks like that.
2017 cars are barely any smaller
I think a good way to reduce the length of the car is to get rid of the massive turbo, seeing as the MGU-H is being scrapped for 2025, and the MGU-K could probably return back to it's KERS configuration. Also shorten the wheelbase and width while we're at it too, lets make them look like rockets again.
Graphics like 3:04 are infuriating for a scientist like me. I never had the chance to take a look at the X and Y axis and what this actually means, instead I get a moving upwards trajectory line that absolutely tells me nothing and I have to hear you tell me how much longer the cars got. Static images are not always bad.
Shorter cars. Narrower cars. V8's turbocharged with downforce from under the chassis. Not for the sake of old school, but for the sake of the fun. I am not a V10 sound guy but I would rather have old school motors without all the hybrid stuff. The cars are safe enough now to bring back some of the old danger and crazed horsepower. If we keep going in the current direction the cars will be as long as a bus.
I couldn't be less interested in the F1 sport. But I could easily watch hours of MotoGP although I don't own a bike yet alone have permission to drive one. Sport is not about results, it's about entertainment, and watching F1 feels like watching computers race instead of humans. MotoGP is all about technique and it's mesmerizing to watch
The real question is, why so many aerodynamics!?
I think the biggest thing that should be fixed is the max width of the car. Reduce it by 20-30 cm and it would be much better. Everything else is less important.
The reason every team is going to always build up to max width allowed is that with human driver, the cockpit always has some minimum size and minimum center of gravity. And to get that center of gravity through corners faster, you want to put the wheels as far away from the driver (sideways) as possible.
TBH, since the halo went onto the cars, I totally quit watching. Approximately 3 weeks ago I saw a 2021 Ferrari in profile and thought it to be some sort of exaggeration because the car is so long and out of proportion, the wheels looking tiny and the driver sitting soooo far back. The cars are hideous to my eyes.
I much prefer the open-ish cars on short wheelbases. All of this extra equipment along with a huge fuel cell just takes away excitement. If I was the "head rule maker" of F1, I would have car length, width, and height rules. Add up an sensible length, width, and height, whatever that number is, the cars must fall within that total number with very very minor discrepancy. The cars can toss the hybrid crap to the bin...or not. Run a huge fuel cell, or not. The Formula would be set for the length+width+height total and an engine displacement limit, purely N/A, no rev limiter, no fuel flow restriction.
Make the battery pack and electric motor smaller, and the ICE more powerful. This could shorten and lighten the cars, and drive further battery innovation.
The length is what makes overtaking so hard.
I'm regularly bothered by how slow the cars look this year. They look SO heavy and lumbering about.
Formula E is doing the right think. Gen 3 car is the smallest of all. They are decreasing the size and despite the first race borefest, the last ones where pretty good with plenty of action.
F1 needs to follow the example and go back with smaller cars.
I know monaco has been around since the day formula 1 started but in my opinion I think they should just get rid of the track now it's too tight as the cars a larger which makes overtaking kinda impossible to do and it's not like they can make the track any wider as it's a street circuit they either need to move the monaco gp somewhere else or make a new circuit somewhere
I'd love to see smaller, lighter, pure electro cars.The agility would be insane. Sure, we lose the sound - but for sound, bring back the V10 - sounded way better.
The abnormous length really makes the cars a good bit uglier.
Still wish they pushed harder and the cars even shorter.
The new 2022 regs are a step in the right direction, but Monaco, Abu Dhabi and a few other circuits are still going to be an absolute snoozefest.
And they still manage to turn into the casino hairpin at Monaco...
F1 of the 80's and 90's were spectacular, the change of direction was crazy! F1 back then looked like the best cars in the world, they could do it all and is what caught my attention as I was still an indy/nascar fan back then. Then again the races were always in the middle of the night if we got them at all. A habit I still have, I watch them live not in replay. Something the announcers never seem to get to this day. I get it that the European and British hate Americans but we love the sport and wish we were treated better honestly. Both in the coverage and allowance of our drivers in the sport, Haas pisses me off in this respect. I wish Michael and Scott never drove in F1 had I known how it would affect American drivers to this day.
Pure racing is almost "mission impossible" with this aero-trucks. You could see some epic wheel to wheel racing in historic films in Zandvoort with few cars next to each other... Not in 2021...
That’s such a good point with the Moto GP reference. Hmm…
F1 cars in 2069: literally a tank
If you ever crashed head-on into a barrier, you wouldn't complain about them getting bigger.
How long were the cars from the late '80s? They also had to cover the full race distance without refuelling (and had about 150kg of fuel at the start of the races)
You totally missed the main reason for longer wheel base and that is longer wheel base cars are more stable in corners are less inclined to spin then short wheel base cars.
They'd have to get rid of the battery for the cars to get significantly smaller and lighter again.
That's up to the engine manufacturers. F1 either needs to play their game and add hybrid systems for the sake of 'road relevance' or abandon it entirely in favor of a lower cost spec engine concept that runs on renewable fuels like ethanol, hydrogen, or something else.
Unless F1 is willing to go full electric it will have to accept that it will likely need spec engines at some point because Internal Combustion Engines likely have zero road relevance in the long term. So F1 may end up being powered by engines made by specialists like Ilmor + Cosworth + Ferrari but rebranded with the labels of big car manufacturers like IndyCar does.
There's interesting engine concepts out there as well like the CITS two-stroke that F1 could explore.
There might not be anything wrong with this approach either, it just sends a different eco-friendly message. If F1 wants to truly adopt an environmentally friendly image they should tackle the air travel and fleet of trucks they use to get to every race instead of the race cars. To paraphrase Jay Leno "You drive your environmentally friendly car during the week so that we can still go racing on the weekends."
They just need to make the 2022 cars thinner and they'd be damn near perfect. Even the new cars are the Ford excursion of race cars.
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I really hate the idea of more regulations. I love it when engineers have freedom over the design of the cars. But these cars need to be made smaller to make the sport better.
And one way they can do this is reintroducing refueling. And before you start saying something about safety, WEC, Indycar, NASCAR, etc. all do this with no problems at all
I keep wondering why they're always talking about wanting to make the racing more interesting and continually failing. Their priority appears to be to see faster lap times each season while making the cars and racing less exciting.
The data for width in your graph at 1:25 is wrong: it shows the width as going from 2 meters in 1995 (which is correct) to something around 1650 for 1996, then back up to 1800 for 1997, skyrocketing back to 2200 for 1998, and then down to 1800 for 1999 and later (which is correct). The only change was from 2 meters up to and including 1997, to 1800 in 1998.
I wonder if this is a data input error into the spreadsheet, or a data collection mistake which would cast a doubt over the veracity of the whole graph.
What would you think about F1 switching to more of the Le Mans Hypercar model (once it’s proven) where they have to be tested for a few specific things including the actual amount of downforce (and perhaps dirty air) they produce vs rules about the form of the car? Seems like this would lead to way more variability in the cars which could be interesting, but also obviously has its own challenges with developing cars during season etc.
For serious racing, the smaller more agile cars generally are much more fun to watch. While watching school busses on a figure 8 track is amusing, watching limos at Bathurst or Monaco would likely be boring as (appropriate 1 letter word here).
The shorter the wheelbase the less stability and thus more control in the driver's hands.
While the manufacturer's title is important to teams, it's the driver's championship that is usually of most interest to fans.
This reminds me of the complaints expressed during the active suspension era that the cars practically drive themselves (coming soon to a track near you) and that the driver's championship was largely a farce at that point.
It's certainly something the FIA needs to consider when establishing the formula for F1.
Smaller lighter cars with v10 engines and I will start watching again
I prefer LWB. On Berlinettas etc. it improves the proportions.
Love F1 but cars now are too big and certainly miss the old amazing sounding engines without hybrid. Furthermore F1 is too overregulated.
These cars are massive, bigger than a Le Mans car.
Reduce the wheelbase more that the proposed 2022 size.
Reduce the side of the front wings both in height and depth, remove 2 of the 4 planes and reduce the rear wing. Get the cars moving.
But mostly, remove the carbon brakes and go back to metal, to give an actual braking zone of decent length, or reduce the diameter of the carbon brakes, no doubt these will grow into the 18" wheels unless there is a rule on their diameter.
Weight, get 100 kg out of these things. Get rid of the Hybrid crap and lets have a 2.0ltr V8 screamer.
Yes keep moving in the right direction. Size should be reduced and performance hits should be offset by relaxing fuel flow restrictions, which should make a slightly louder car too!
Take me back to the early 2000😃 smal cars and high revving engines👌🏻
just gonna wait until f1 car look like a limousine 😂
Even if i totally agree that the old cars looked much faster and better, there is one thing thats wrong in this video. It is said that when the cars width got reduce, the length also was reduced. But thats not true. The cars in 1997(2000mm wide)were about 4,35-4.40 metres long. But the cars from 1998 onwards(1800mm wide) did not get shorter. 1998 the cars had the same length and even got longer in the years following(2000 - about 4,54 m-the had already become 20cm longer!) This was because of the need of more underfloor-area to produce downforce and also because the wheelbase had to be increased, to give the narrower cars back some stability that was lost due to the narrower track. Longer wheelbase improved lateral and longitudinal weight transfer and gave the aerodynamicists and designers more space for packaging (and lowering the CG)and aerodynamic-downforce production. Also saying the suspensions were "unrefined" is not really fair to say. A lot of work went into the geometries of the suspension in the late 90's and early 00's and the geometries itself brought much less restrictions than the geometries that followed later because of the zero keel-philosophy. The basic layout, introduced in 1998 by Rory Byrne, with vertical dampers and horizontal torsion bars pivoting on vertical rockers and a sophisticated anti-roll bar jointed at the centre and a third damper pivoting at the top on the rockers, is still in use today, even if there was a lot of developement of course(rotary dampers, mass dampers, j-dampers, fric, additional dampers etc.).
They need to go back to the car size from the early 2000s
The eighties was and always will be The Golden Age.
Shorter cars with v10s or v12s! Miss that engine sound.
Great video! :)
The evolution of motorhome racing. Soon F1 will have a full bonnet to cover the halo. And then a full skirt. And then kotex will fund F1
This whole video I was thinking "have you seen the 2022 car?"
Yeah those 100mm are going to make all the difference in making the cars look so much quicker. 🙄
Unpopular opinion: The larger F1 cars look wayyyyy better than the old ones do
Tires are larger than ever, they turn faster so they don't need to slow down or accelerate as much.
#BringBackV12s
The v12s were shit, everyones just nostalgic about it, the v8s were more realistic
Bring back refueling the 1 thing that made racing 10x better.
personally i dont want cars that look like there doing 160 mph i want cars that race each other instead of a 50 + lap parade
Lets compare the amount of FATAL crashes of F1 Races in the 2010's-2020's to the FATAL crashes that happened to F1 drivers in the 1970's-1990's
And see which is safer
Its obvious that the newr cars are safer bro
Doesn't correlate with size.
"Look at this graph" proceeds to not show it
Look at this (photo)graph
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He was also just downright wrong about the f-150 number. They are longer yes but f1 cars are only 2m wide which is about the same as a honda accord and smaller than a f150 by a few centimeters for the narrower models.
Would be nice to see the "evolution" of weight in F1 cars! So heavy today..
Weight would naturally come down if they were stricter on enforcing the length.
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Yeah they are almost heavy as a Opel Corsa
@@TheEmolano Haha, true in a way. :)
Can I tell the difference between 320kph and 300kph when an F1 car zooms past me? Probably not.
Can I appreciate a car slowing from 300kph to 60kph in the span of how far I can piss? Yes. Yes I can. And it was especially impressive when you could see the carbon fibre rotors light up like the sun in an instant during hard braking.
How far can you piss?
@@ilham7345 the distance it takes for an F1 car to slow from 300 to 60 obviously
Holy shit you cam piss 30+meters thats nice jet bro. Imma aspire to be like you.
Please it's probably 10m we're talking about 300-60 not 320-60.
@@MediHusky nah check out the formula 1 tracks and thier braking points. It's like at least 20m away from the turn. Especially at the end of a straight. And even if they were 10m this guy says he can piss as the distance they take to brake. So If we take any reasonable distance he can piss farther than 10m.
Fully agreed, it's something I've been thinking for years now - the cars have just become so huge that it's made certain tracks almost impossible to overtake on. I miss the nimble darts from the late 90s and early 2000s, definitely my favourite era for cars.
They either need to reduce the size or remove/adapt some tracks
Monaco is a joke now. Maybe it should be updated.
@@jondonnelly3 or just remove it from the F1 calendar
@@jondonnelly3 agreed, monaco in Formula E for example is acually exciting
Especially the V10 engines. Those were my favorite because the music chord of a V10 is a major third.
I got hooked on F1 in the late 90's early 2000s, the cars just looked violent. They were quick to start, quick to change direction quick to slow. They may not have been faster, but the LOOKED and SOUNDED faster, and that is what is important. Fans don't care about the stopwatch really, they want to see the drivers tame a beast that looks like the average motorist couldn't dream of driving it.
they are faster BUT EASIER to drive, this is not F1
The modern cars don't make as much of an impression on me as the cars from around 2005 did. I had always attributed this to the fact that I watch F1 more regularly now and I've become accustomed to the speed, but more stable and less agile cars is another good explanation.
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Need them to go back and update the running order graphics to something watchable. Back even a couple years ago the on-screen graphics made it very difficult to follow the race vs what we have now, and go back to the early 2000s or the 90s and its basically unwatchable.
@@benbunch4159 I remember when the lap counter counted down instead of up.
2022 cars are getting smaller. Just slightly longer than a Rolls Royce Ghost extended wheel base version. wow, that's great.
as much as I am loving this title fight for this year... I want to see the 2022 cars on the road so bad
Merc is just gonna win again and it’s terrible
@@LukSter18998 this time last year ham was 90+ points ahead of bottas. Even if he does win, it'll be down to the last race I bet.
2022 is going to be a new exciting year for both nascar and f1 as nascar is also unveiling their new gen 7 cars
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Wow this aged poorly
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I recently watched a clip of highlights from 2012, and those cars just looked faster. They also seemed way more agile, when they pulled out from behind a car to pass it looked way more quick and violent compared to the slowness of todays cars.
I love those old overtakes....on f1 2021 i still do it like back in the days and exaggerate the dart to the side at the last instant
Watch Mick Schumacher drive his dad's 91' V8 Jordan 191 and see how excited and happy he is. Describing it as "so pure" and "true" and how connected you are with the car - being small, light, loud engine noise, a manual gearbox, no power steering. The F1 cars of the early 90s are the most beautiful. If only they would bring that style and form of racing back but with the modern safety of today. It will never happen even though it would be successful and more entertaining for the fans. The 2021 season is OK but the hybrid era F1 is not as exciting. It's not even close. This video demonstrated a small part of that. The cars today are basically a computer with a quiet engine and 4 tyres.
They weighed just over to 500kg.
And that Jordan was a bad car for the time too
F1 really screwed the sound up too. Not even a hybrid problem, next gen WRC and BTCC cars are hybrid and still sound awesome. The engines are the same displacement too, just two less cylinders.
That's true, Mick really enjoy driving old Formula car, even though he drive Michael worse Formula car he still enjoyed it more than current Formula, not to mention when he drive Michael's Ferrari F2004 which is much better. That alone enough to explain why current F1 car sucks so bad.
actually it was the 90s where a lot of the tech innovations were made, those were times where there was ABS, traction control, even automatic gearbox and not manual lol, and maybe more. so no, it wasnt actually all just pure in that period, changes come and go. its a sport that's continuosly changing so you cant just say this period was good or bad, its like all one period . in the modern f1, they have actually reduced the driving aids , so the 90s were not "pure" racing at all, more like the opposite, and also, power steering was introduced at that time and was used a lot, which is something that is still continued today and didnt get banned.
While the cars today are absolutely brilliant technically speaking, and faster than anything that's come before; they unfortunately cannot compare to the sheer spectacle of the racing from the cars of 15-20 years ago. And that's not even including how they sound.
I don't remember any spectacle in the early 2000... It was when people came up with the phrase "Formula Boring". If you want a bit more action (not much, mind you) you have to go back at least to the late '80s. And still it wasn't comparable to something like Moto GP.
On F1 Access there are lots of races from back in those days, I suggest to watch some of them to actually see what was the "spectacle" 40 years ago.
Totally agree on them not looking as fast. We were amazed recently watching some replays from 2012 at how fast they looked, how easily they could pass, and most of all how quick the starts looked. I would love to see smaller and more agile cars, which can follow better - but only as long as it doesn't impact driver safety.
F1 hasn't had sleek looking (thus fast looking) cars in 2 decades. They just get uglier and uglier ..
@@xenuno You're not wrong. I think the last really good ones I can remember was '05-06ish but it's always going to be personal preference.
@@xenuno completely disagree, I think the current generations look the fastest and meanest of any generation thus far
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They look like ugly sailboats.
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Remember the CART cars of 2000 compared to the F1 cars of that year? Now its the other way around.
Those cart cars where absolute animals. But top speed like f1 goes for has nothing to do with great racing at all. Seen more entertaining and competitive mx5 races than alot of f1 races.
Those CART cars were still shorter than today's F1 boats. They were perfectly PROPORTIONAL. They were wider making them look absolutely BEASTLY. Fantastic cars!
Yup, I remember them. 2000 was the year I started watching CART and was absolutely mesmerized. Those cars were SO cool 😊
They were the coolest American open wheel racecars ever.
What does CART stand for? If I'm not mistaken, Sebastien Bourdais won championships in CART
i agree, recently i watched some older 1990s footage and i was like, damn, these cars look like they are really alive and the drivers actually wrestle the cars around corners, whereas todays F1 looks super clinical and planted, as if the cars drive on rails. I used to watch F1 when i was a teen, i watched almost every race starting 1993 until i believe 2006 (basically the Schumacher era).
yes the current cars are faster and for sure more safe but as far as the excitement of actually watching them race goes, its to me really a borefest, i can't get invested at all, thats why i switched to watching GT races, current GT3 cars for example feel much more alive and on top of that still sound like real racecars should.
go watch for example a race of the Porsche Carrera Cup and then compare that action and visuals to what you get from a modern F1 race, its just so much more exciting to watch.
i get it that F1 has always been the 'pinnacle' of racing and also a platform to push new technologies that eventually came later to everyday cars, but man, as a motorsport F1 to me at least is for years now not the pinnacle anymore.
Can you do analysis of pre war grand prix cars and engines likes of w125
Pre war? F1 started in 1950..
If I was every arsed to make a video, this is the video I’d make. Two thumbs up.
It’s important to remember that the big jump in length was to keep drivers legs behind front axle for safety.
It was mandatory to have drivers legs behind front axle from 1988 onwards
No it wasn'. The video tells you why and when!
Drivers must sit backwards then, as the length behind them in dis-proportionate to the length out front.....Like a Chevy Monte Carlo in reverse! LOL
I like 2.5D graphics as much as the next guy and I love the technique and use it all the time…it’s maybe not a great choice for a graph I am trying to look at. Also you missed some collapse transforms switches in AE (assume shape layers or vector files) so the resolution is a bit wonky. There’s a lot of specific tricks to getting that right.
The pre 2017 cars looked insane when they raced and changed direction.
They were beautiful
No/ 2009-2016 cars looks extremely ugly. I want to erase this era. 2000-2008 was good. Today cars are better than 2009-2016
This echoes what I've been saying for a while: The hybrid power units have ruined everything
No, no it doesn't. As mentioned in the video, there are multiple ways to handle all of it, and lmp1 cars, hybrid or not, were limited to 4.7m.
@@joshuawilliams2996 they are bigger in part to accommodate the hybrid power unit which adds more weight. They are also heavier because a hybrid power unit weighs more than a straight ice (~145kg vs ~85kg). You need structure to protect the batteries which are not a stress bearing member so that is excess structural weight.
@@Hello_there_obi Yes, they are heavier. But weight is possibly the most over rated metric in the sport. And this video didn't echo your sentiments at all: it said cars have gotten bigger in dimensions, but given the state of other classes, it is likely that f1 can reduce car length and width.
@@joshuawilliams2996 But never will they be anything close to the size of pre-hybrid cars because of all the additional components that need to be carried, this was stated in the video.
@@PointNemo9 exactly