I am a Kashmiri Pandit and my mother personally knows Achint and his family. She also immediately called her friend (Achint's sister) as soon as she saw this. The acount that Achint has given is NOTHING compared to how horrifyingly his father was assassinated. He was tortured the entire night (with cigarette butts etc.), his house was surrounded by Islamic terrorists and his father was later found in a dry well the next day. He was so young when this happened and my mother recalled everything as soon as she heard what I was watching! I am absolutely shattered by how some people did not let him talk about his viewpoints. This Middle Ground video represents the political situation of the country very well nowadays and how absolutely DIFFICULT it has become to express viewpoints and even state facts. At the same time, I am nothing but PROUD of Achint and the way he spoke. He was an absolute gentleman, so soft spoken and my heart cries for him because he was surrounded with such insensitive people. THIS IS EXACTLY what infuriates Kashmiri Pandits in this country. I am glad we still take our space, even though exactly like some people here would not want us to do that.
Thank you so so much for sharing his story and it doesn't mean a lot but I want to apologise for the behaviour and reactions to him sharing some of it. My heart goes out to him and his family.
It's absolutely disgusting of Jubilee to include Pallavi on the programme because she is Pallavi Sharma, an Indian National Congress spokesperson. It is highly inappropriate to include politicians on a discussion between people who are supposed to be laymen.
@@rhythmdew8928 Yes, because she came with an agenda, her political agenda and not as an individual representing Hindu faith and beliefs. This is part of narrative building right here.
@@rhythmdew8928 Yeah she was consistently saying that the divide has happened after 2014 for her all the bad things has happened after 2014 I was also thinking why she is always targetting the government now I get it
@@ShivamSingh-cz8th it's absolutely possible for one's personal beliefs to line up with their political beliefs. If she think the 2014 govt did something wrong, she's allowed to say it. If you don't agree with her, that's allowed too. My point is the other comments just blatantly tagged her a muslim which I think is not fair!
as a Muslim myself, the way Ali approached some of the questions with a lack of empathy was so disappointing especially after Kabir was acknowledging Achint's loss. Being sorry for someone's loss does not mean they're taking responsibility, just showing respect
Dude said “As a part of the Muslim community I am sorry for ur loss” like bro is acting as if the Muslim community is responsible and not some crazy individual
@Rakshita Singh ok and regular people in America commit murders that are all Christian but no one says “I apologize on behalf of the Christian community.” Just because some psycho claims to be Muslim and kills doesn’t mean the community is responsible. Ali is 100% right and the most sensible on this casting. I do agree that maybe he could have showed a little more empathy but his logic was better than everyone elses
@@2ksnipa355 well Achint's father was killed just because he was NOT a muslim ...and whoever killed him was perpetrating the crime on the basis of religion so when the crime is happening on the basis of religion then why not apology should happen on the same basis...and he said as a muslim he was sorry he didn't say i am apologizing on behalf of the whole islamic population.
dollars kitna mila hai 😅😅😂 not only in this debate in bollywood, ads, all over the society 😂 but they don't able to stopped sanatan dharma after their all efforts and Yes they have not courage to invite real hindu who know all knowledge of 4 veads 😅
“None of my business. Not my problem.” The most insensitive thing a person can say sitting in front of a victim. Achint, no words for you loss. You and your family is a victim of hatred of Kashmiri muslims on Kashmiri Hindus. This shouldn’t have happened. It is the combined hatred of one community on another that made this happen, it is not one person’s doing.
@@raghavnamasivayam5098 youre the problem. youre the reason we are having these discussions because youre so stuck up in the divide and wanting to remove islam from India. of course its not only muslims who say its not my problem, its hindus too, its all people who are too insensitive and heartless to care whether thats in the irish english violence etc etc.
@@raghavnamasivayam5098 just a single person doesn't represent the entire community..apart from Kashmir the rest of India is peacefully coexisting with each other.the problem is in the kashmir not in the faith of Muslims.the govt and media should focus where we are lacking in making kashmir more peaceful rather than blaming the whole muslim community for what is happening there or have happened
If Achint had been a Muslim and his family were the victims of the assassination, would Ali still have said “it’s not my problem!”? We are so used to wanting to see one community as being victimised that when perpetrators come from that community we lose all balance and objectivity. I lost interest in this discussion when Achint’s lived experiences were completely dismissed and turned into something else and diverted by attention seeking Pallavi
I think what he meant 2 say was u can't "expect" another Muslim to apologise for what another has done. So he didn't have to apologise but out of respect he should have gave his condolences. As for that politician, this is why some of jubilees videos r crap. Why would u bring a politician to a middle ground talk
Well he was right that all Muslims should not take blame for this but yes, he also sounds rude to me. If anyone is facing discrimination, violence, we should all raise our voice. It's inhumanity to say "that's not my problem"!!! If anyone is taking about pakistani pandits, that doesn't mean he hate Muslims or blaming indian muslim for it.
Apologising and being apologetic are 2 different aspects. Feeling apologetic does not mean that you directly caused a problem but you feel remorse and shame for what happened to the other person. I find it strange when Pallavi started discussing about how Hindus should apologise or feel remorse for Mosques being burnt. Why should a Hindu who has not caused a Mosque to burn be made to feel apologetic? The rules change when it’s the other way round isn’t it? Double standards much 🤷♀️ A middle ground can only ever be attained when a community is objective and is able to introspect within rather than solely celebrating victimhood. If someone from your community makes a mistake or commits a crime in the name of the religion that is wrong and that action would have ruined someone’s life so yes be apologetic about it and condemn what that person from your community did. That is the mature, objective and truly unbiased way to deal with sensitivity.
Lol what past? He’s lying to his teeth. Kashmiri conflict is solely political not religious. More than 80,000 Kashmiri muslims have been killed by Indian military since 1990s while only 89 Kashmiri Hindus were killed by militants mostly for being associated with Indian state and at the same time more than 3000 Kashmiri muslims were killed by same militant group for working for india
If you're inviting a Congress spokesperson, you should be inviting a BJP spokesperson too. This is not fair at all. She had the agenda all along. Shame on you Jubilee !
Zaarah is right about it being easy to talk about these issues in a safe space like this with a group of seemingly upper class well educated lot. Doing so in the real world is more complicated.
a whole lot more. it's actually so deeply ingrained in the minds that people don't wanna even consider that they're wrong. people like my parents- _sigh_
It's only complicated if you make it such. For instance, I'm an atheist and don't care who knows it. I refuse to be judged or let someone try and shame me for it.
Achint is the only person who has suffered due to this hindu-msulim rivalry. Achint is the only person who was talked over most of the time. That's a great reflection of how we're dealing with this problem.
I hated how they were all just silent when they came to sit down. It's one thing to be tongue tied but how did NOBODY even say 'I am sorry for your loss'? And when Kabir eventually said it he was criticised! Saying 'I am sorry for your loss' is NOT the same as taking blame!!! It's a way of expressing sympathy!!!! When Ali said 'Not my business, not my problem' I wanted to kick him below the belt.
It was awkward and no one knew who should speak first. I think they did well. Could have been much better but at least they didn't completely ignore it.
@@silverkittyzen how? he said it as a formal apology on behalf of the community. they all should’ve said im sorry for your loss, but at the same time, none of them are to blame for the death. meanwhile, some of the other people were denying the facts and sidelining the experiences of muslims such as the sacrifice. if you are fearful of death when it comes to tradition, there is clearly something really wrong. so please don’t criticize the muslims without critizing the hindus for denying that muslims face discrimination. i agree with you that the trauma is real, but you have to look at everything from a broad sense
@@KingKong-z4v Are you for real? Do you exist in real world? No wonder, I would love to not meet you in person, I pity those who have to live in your surrounding :P :P
Should have put a Bangladeshi or Pakistani Hindu and seen what they had to say. It willl blow yalls mind what we've been through and how little media rep we get
@Shubham Rawat As expected a lone soul roaming in comment sections😏. You didn't understand our Hindu brothers for sure most of them. And I don't Think so HINDUS near by are abrahmics or religious who have strict code of reading scriptures. All indians who read indian scriptures.. Or dusra ke chodo time kharab hi karoge.
@Shubham Rawat No, u missed the whole point. India is secular because of hindus. If muslims became majority kashmir exodus events would be more frequent. We have already seen how even an educated muslim put their religion ahead of national and secular interest.
The way they were dealing with that man’s trauma makes me real mad as a Black person. What if a white person did that to them about racism? They’d be mad pressed, it makes my blood boil.
Welcome to India. And , if we retaliate we r the oppressors. This is what a hindu faces when he/she talks about their suffering. Even our community's genocide is not reported .
Black thinks that they were the most persecuted and exploited race in world ,once they real about the history of Indian Hindus ,their sufferings,their sacrifices ,their persecution ,the islamic invasion and the the cherry on the top the British Colony for more than 200 years the blood will boil at more than Sun 🌡️ temperature , The most persecuted race in the world are HINDUS 😔😥🙏🏻 ,Still we are tolerant towards all the people ,still they target uss ,
I am not even hindu and can clearly see that Pallavi isnt deep in to hinduism, she is clearly fond of her husband's side(islam). Both Pallavi and Ali were obnoxious in the way they attack people in the group that doesnt go with what they believe in. The both of the them has potrayed a bully mentality in my opinion.
@@captainlevi7188 right like the lack of empathy,kashmiri pandit issue is being used as anti muslim propaganda by the Government but saying that to a victim
Can't people start to protest to have huge worlds best hospital with huge modern equipments in ayodya where people are fighting have ram mandir or mosque...bro we are going to madir or mosque to prey for health can't we make that holy land thats claimed by both hindus and muslim be life saving place to both religions and create employment.
Real title should be "Can North Indian Hindus and North Indian Muslims See Eye To Eye?" Because this stuff would never happen in South India, here we all live together as INDIANS not muslims or Hindus first. and never against each other like these people are.
@@debodatta7398 because Hindus of South Indian are id🥎its, they are too blind to see the reality, in the space of 2016 to 2019 in Karnataka more than 24600 hindu women went missing. The highest conversation and forced conversion rate is in Kerala and Karnataka.. Hindu festivals cannot be decorated with saffron colours, The CM of the states openly call for the destruction of Santan. All because there was that one Dude Called Periperi, who could not resist sleeping with his daughter... And Hindus wouldn't let that slip. Grow up grow up ..
As an Afghan Muslim, it was heartbreaking to hear about Achint's past but it was absolutely infuriating to listen to people's reactions to that. Like how hard is it to empathize with someone who has had to ho through something as painful as that? Kudos to you Achint for your patience and for not hating us Muslims. Respect. Edit: No longer responding to the comments. Thank you but I'm not going to engage in further identity wars.
I am indian and in my college there are many Afghani studying engineering , we love them a lot . The time was hard for them when Taliban took over but we tried as much to make them feel home . I LOVE AFGHANIS SOO MUCH
Maybe I sound crazy but I wish these were even longer. Like 45mins to an hour. This is hands down my favorite series on here to watch. It’s really deep and informative. I’m hooked.
Fr like other videos have 6-7 questions and this had only 4. Although the discussions were more elaborate and detailed. Otherwise there are too many cuts.
I love the moment when Kabir explains Chinmay's point in a better way and Chinmay goes " This guy understands me so well. " Isn't that all which matters concerning the current scenario ?
But his perspective is different right? If in UP mob linching is happened. Then its totally wrong. But I'm as a hindu, i don't feel responsible becuase i haven't even do pr think such thing justifiable. But why should i explain to society? Yes that is insensitive to tell this in front of someone who affected due to this. That is indeed. But guy's perspective is also valid.
@@aarusong16 hopefully you realize I never said anything against his overall perspective. I'm referring to a specific thing he said. However, since you went further, I'd have to say I disagree with where people think they have no responsibility to be part of a positive difference, especially if they belong to a group that throughout history has been a source of violence. It's honorable when someone chooses to be a part of changing that. Looking the other way, in a sense, makes you a part of the problem does it not? As far as him saying he isn't a part of the hate, yeah I get that. But what he said, what I specifically mentioned, was a pretty messed up thing to say regardless
Population of Sikhs in 1947 in Pakistan: 20 lakhs Population of Sikhs in 2024 in Pakistan: 30k Population of Sikhs in 1947 in India: 60 lakhs Population of Sikhs in 2024 in India: 3.8 CR They're reduced to 30k from 20 lakhs in Pakistan, Increased to 3.8 cr from 60 lakhs in India.
My roommate is from pakistan and her boyfriend is from India (I'm from US). Until living with her, I had no idea just how much tension there was between the two countries! I'd love to learn more about this
When I studied in mumbai in school i remember one of my troubled classmates who had to change schools due to psychological reasons. She was elder by few years and her uncle and mother tried hard to make her fit . She was very apprehensive and wouldn't talk. Few years ago connected with her on Facebook . We chatted and turns out she is super friendly . I asked her why was she soo weird in school and what i heard has broken my heart . As a young child her father , her uncle and grandfather were chopped and thrown in a well and she and her sister was molested and rape. The twin sister couldn't survive because her orifices bled and got infected .her mother and aunties faced similar torture with her aunty dying due to internal haemorrhage and mother gangraped. It was a miracle how she and her mother escaped and reached Jammu to her mamaji. She was soo traumatised that for years she couldn't go to school . She started 4th grade with us after long break in mumbai where her other mamaji lived . We always felt she was too tall too fair and too older than us when we were kids and she was picked up a lot by bullies but hats off to whatever she survived
Me hun pallavi :me ek chinaar hun or mera pesha hai ki bjp or hindu ko neecha dinkhao kyu mujhe hypnotise kr dia gya ek muslim ladke ne isliye me ab raNdtv dekhti ho or quint jese channel ko follow krti or apne modern ke nam me secular ki aad me mulla se shadi bhi kr leti hun ye hun pallavi chinnar randi Kesi lagi me doston apko Me akeli nhi hun mere jesi or bhi jese barkha dutt 😇
@@ju_kh_ak8138 bhai maaf krna sab mujhe ek ladkiyon ke liye mere liye bhaut ijjzat hai magar esi ladkiyon ko dekh ke mujhe pta nhi kya ho jata hai musalman hai dushman i know but ye jo ghar ke dushaman hai inka kya karein bolo or sala sabse zyada iske vo ladkiyan hai jo freedom ki baat krti hai magar inhi ladkiyon ko burkha me rehne ka bhi shauk hai kaha ki hypocracy hai first you ask from hindu ki mujhe skirt or chote kapde phen ne do fir uske baad tumhe burkha phenna hai kisi mulle ka bolo bolo randiyan bolo pallavai rannd kuch toh bol
Ali at the starting of the video: "Hindus got killed by muslims, so what? I don't care, not my problem!" Ali minutes later: "yes muslims are being killed, and I blame the government for it." Pallabi throughout the discussion: " I will personally take offense on behalf of all the muslims, and you can not stop me!"
Pallavi was only doing this all cause she wants to convey to others how government is dividing both castes. It's all political, which I think should not be the correct topic to talk about here. Since she came to discuss about Hindus and Muslims she should have talked about that and not basically showing her opinion that everyone went downhill SINCE 2014.
@Alexios I Komnenos they can, they just brown. We brown people treat each other like crap. If it isn't someone else it's within ourselves based on what caste you're in or which region you're from. That's why our situation is so bad. Look at how Europeans treated an invasion into Ukraine.
@@kh-fk3ko I don't think you should talk on a topic if you don't have the correct info about it. Its literally only the Hindus and Government's fault. They literally torture the muslims bro, the muslims never did anything to them.
Bring some Bangladeshi Hindu and muslims or Pakistani Hindu or Muslims in this show ( as a Bangladeshi Hindu I want to see it) India is more safe for minorities than any other country in the world Btw here I think 4 Muslims vs 2 Hindus??
Guys, Pallavi Sharma is a politician. She's an Indian National Congress spokesperson. Her opinions are agenda driven and it is highly unfair to include her in this discussion which is supposed to be among laymen who have their own opinions.
Bruh if this is true I am pretty disappointed in jubilee. Usually, their content is pretty spot on but this time it seems they havent done their research well. Might have been due to their lack of understanding of this country but still.
This is an integrity issue, they have brought an outright politician on the show driving the agenda. I'd even tolerate Ali to some extent as rude as he is, he is speaking his own mind and not some agenda, but I won't tolerate that thotweiler sitting among them, she barely let even the Muslims speak let alone Hindus themselves.
@@OkarinHououinKyouma Views like Pallavi are exactly why Congress is not winning elections. This has been said by various research institutes and think tanks having a neutral orientation.
I could relate a bit to brother Achint's pain. During 1992-93 Bombay riots my uncle's hand was cut , he was 14 years old boy and other relative was murdered. We don't hate Muslims but there is mistrust. I cannot imagine Brother Achint's trauma. Sorry for your loss. May we have peace.
@@AC-mp7cx BJP has done more to benefit the Muslims than any other govt so far. Scholarships, grants, reservations, triple talaq abolition. Hindus have suffered disproportionately more than any community in Indian subcontinent, just see the situation in Pak and Bangladesh. Acting like victims all the time when you are the biggest perpetrator community.
@@AC-mp7cx I don’t think the person is meaning to say that one community suffered more than the other. They probably mean they had bad experiences which make trusting people difficult for them on a individual level.
@@AC-mp7cx y'all are the "minority" in India but you're the majority in the whole world, after christianity. Be thankful and let people of other religions live in peace. Since y'all are following the *so called* religion of peace.
Pallavi is the only one sitting there and objectifying Hinduism. Feeling the loss and experiencing the loss hits you totally different, Kabir and Achint big salute to you brothers your maturity speaks.
Objectifying Hinduism is fine but selective objectivity that she illustrated is seriously annoying. You can easily feel like she wants to highjack the conversation and wants to superimpose her thoughts on others. She spoke like what she thinks is the ultimate truth. Her tone was also quite different from others.
bro she isnt objectifying the religion cmon dont be like those BJP people. She said what Indian archaelogical evidences proved that there is no proof or whatsoever that Ram was born there, she didnt say it she just narrated the records of indian archaelogical department and to be honest It was intentional move by bjp to say that they really hate muslims and other hindus should too because they took the birthplace of ram, this is agenda
im outraged by how blinded pallavi is!! she is clearly if not indirectly taking the side of one religion throughout the whole video and this debate was not an equal one at all. we would urge you to invite actual hindus to this debate, who are educated and truly know their religion, i sense a liberandu here. also, coming from a kashmiri pandit ancestry myself, i completely empathise with achints' situation and am extremely heartbroken and angered by how his fathers' assassination was not taken into sight and was arrogantly brushed aside. achint, we are very sorry for what happened and would do anything in the world to change the past of kashmir and the GENOCIDE that took place upon kashmiri hindu pandits. very ashaming. JAI SHREE RAM, the temple is magnificently beautiful.
I would love a conversation just between Kabir and Achint. These two were the most humble, looked beyond prejudice and spoke intellectually, but got the least chances to speak.
@@Yahoo1213 watched the video for a little longer and I kind of agree now, pallavi isn’t an ex Hindu but it feels as if she is closer to science and other religions than her own
'Are we settling scores?' As a Hindu , this was disturbing. Hundreds of temples have been destroyed since antiquity but as always, Hindus are expected to endure. Kudos to Mr. Achint for not bowing down to hatred. Peace.
Exactly! I don't wish them to be remorseful as they had nothing to do with it. But, they should atleast acknowledge this issue. But she just tried to deny it altogether.
@@sakshamtyagi9652 Sir, Hinduism is not just a religion. It is a cultural identity, quite like Judaism. An atheist or agnostic person can still be Hindu because Hinduism gives us the liberty to choose our beliefs. Thank you.
@@sakshamtyagi9652 This is typical of people who do not read enough about a specific topic and then jump to comment. Hinduism has different school of thoughts, Instrinsically even a nasthik (atheist) is a hindu (not just for name, but it is a school of thought within hinduism), None of the Abrahamic religion have this particular concept.
@@amadortv971 haha nope. It's small ball-like spice that is actually necessary to give the biriyani flavour. But we put the cardamom as whole cloves so when u accidentally bite into it, you get that pungent flavour that overrides the overall taste of the biriyani.
@@Zdaren they speak perfectly, just because it's a different accent than yours? People are out here learning languages and you can't bring yourself to understand an accent? Do better.
i’m absolutely disgusted by how insensitive Pallavi & Ali were towards Achint’s father’s death. i think Pallavi was speaking more about muslims & from their side and instead of sharing her opinion, she was just trying to get others to agree with her?? this would’ve been way better without Pallavi.
Secularism summarized in India... Entire Hindus are responsible for Babri Masjid Demolition... But when we talk about 450+ temples demolished in Kashmir we are setting scores...
She never said entire hindu community was responsible for it, she just said one wrongdoing cannot justify other. Talking about secularism, we should be secular in our thoughts if we want to coexist. There is nothing wrong in being secular.
@@lifeanddeath3072 bro, what is the need to bring those countries? We were born in India, We will talk about India. I dont support those countries at all. They aint even democratic countries. I would never want to go to such countries.
Education is key. As both Hindus and Muslims live in close knit multi-generational families the discussions in households over the next two decades will define India’s future.
More than education in general… awareness/teaching/intermingling between the two sides. Coz I have seen highly educated people who have been in their respective silos, still having prejudices.
@@metanick1837 I did in like 7th standard. In civics there was this thing about tolerance. Sadly, you don't have the capacity or maturity to grasp that concept when you're that young. When you do get older you're in 11th 12th grade where those subjects don't exist
@@BeastMaster-gc5zgBut do they teach us about the limit of Tolerance..Imagine you watch your parents get absolutely beaten to death...will you just watch them getting murdered to show that you have Tolerance or will you do something..?
This vedio highlights the basic mentality which creates a divide. You can always find liberals such as Pallavi on Hindu side who get ultra agressive defending others and then on other side there is no moderating liberal and more over the most open minded perspective you can get is that of Ali "It's not my problem"
What do you expect from Pallavi. She is a congress spokesperson. Obviously she would try to carry out her propoganda. Congress mostly is anti hindu and pro muslim.
Yeah pallavi and Ali were really rude and insensitive, I like Anchint,kabir and zarah. The other hindu guy barely spoke anything cuz of pallavi taking up all time and Ali "that's not my problem"
Yes she doesn't want to debate by hindu side she is just pretending and claiming by saying we are the majority and as a hindu by birth There is a big difference between wanting to be hindu and just having birth as a hindu She is just wearing a mask of a being hindu
This only shows how insensitive people are towards hindu suffering. Why did vandalising350 temples in Kashmir pushed under a rug while babri is still hot topic?. That achint suffered so much but instead of being sensitive towards him they became hostile.
Because babri mosque a historic mosque was destroyed by a Hindu mob was thousands and no one stopped them. Showing that Hindus are violent and evil like u
Bcoz u hindus dilibertly built temples in Kashmeer and settled (same like jews r doing in west bank) their bcoz ur gov. is telling hindus to move there
Only one person said "I'm sorry for your loss". That was surprising. That should've been the first thing anyone should've said. One woman made her first statement about her, that she felt fear when she heard that the dude was a Kashmiri Pandit. Great that every expressed their feelings and lauded the dude for his maturity but the first thing to come out of their mouths shouldve been an expression of sympathy for the horrendous tragedy the dude went through.
Rather than direct the matter of how discussion of the exodus might cause Islamaphobia, they should have discussed how Hindus are unsafe in Kashmir. This kind of whataboutery is so frustrating for Kashmiri Pandits sharing their stories.
Well, its clear everyone one was sorry for his loss and were uncomfortable in how to start such a discussion. Later they moved from the topic. Its clear.
@@ive-3692 I was a little confused too. I was thinking why would she be scared when kashmiri pandits have had the hard side (i could be wrong correct me if so I'm not the most knowledgeable on this issue but i know a bit). there's a societal prejudice between hindus and muslims and it's from peoples experiences I understand i guess
It's sad how Achint's tragic lived experience was shut down so quickly and he was compared to the people who assassinated his father, especially since his father was targeted because of his religion in the first place. I didn't even see anyone condemning the perpetrators as much as they blamed Achint's potential "lashing out". In an ideal world, they should've discussed why Achint had to go through such a terrible loss in the first place (ie, the Kashmiri Pandit exodus), rather than focusing on how Achint ought to behave. That's simply disrespectful. "None of my business". "What's the difference between you and the perpetrators". It's sad, really.
@@Mushroom-bd3yg I think I made myself pretty clear. The focus was on how he should behave after he faced such a loss and not why he had to suffer through that loss in the first place.
The fact that a brutal genocide, r@pe & exodus of a 400,000-500,000 community from their homeland because of their religion was shut down with a "Not my business" apologia shows the utter disregard for Hindu Lived experiences and atrocities that have befallen them for 1000 years.
@@indiaininfographics2910 precisely! Especially considering the fact that a survivor was sitting RIGHT THERE and they were still making these comments and shutting him down for pretty much the entire video.
I like how both communities reflect the masses in some way. Like we all loved Kabir and Achint we loved how patient and thoughtful they were. How kabir was humble enough to say sorry for Achint's loss, and Achint was understanding enough to actually have this conversation. Then we have Chinmaya and Zarah who harbours some apprehension, not hate but apprehension, due to some experiences of their own. Then we have Ali and Pallavi, who didn't really give anything to the conversation. I didn't feel the slightest bit represented with Pallavi , irritated at times? Yes. I felt more represented with Zarah
The only Kashmiri Hindu in the room and they manage to shut him up. Also they didn't mention in that little text that the Kashmiri Hindus were forcefully converted and killed/kicked out of kashmir for the international viewers who may not have the complete view of the situation.
I was very disappointed that Jubilee casted someone with a political background(Pallavi- spokesperson of congress). Political people can never be true. She is just carrying out her agenda. Also she is married to a Muslim.
You do realise they have had people from political backgrounds countless number of times before. Sometimes even the spokesperson of the very issue that they are debating.
The way Ali said that “not my problem, why take the blame for it” and how Kabir apologised shows two different kinds of persons- emotionally immature and mature and such people exist everywhere regardless of religion.
Real title should be "Can North Indian Hindus and North Indian Muslims See Eye To Eye?" Because this stuff would never happen in South India, here we all live together as INDIANS not muslims or Hindus first. and never against each other like these people are.
@@debodatta7398Yeah udaynidhi Stalin was spreading love when he was saying that sanatan dharm should be eradicated and the whole crowd was cheering for him 😂😂😂 You guys are so delusional and happy in your own imagination NGL I am from Davangere, Karnataka and I am also not andhbhakt .
Yep dam thing. Ali and Pallavi was in a mission to prove that individual actions doesn't represents musim community. But on the next point they were blamming and judging whole BJP becuzz of some individuals actions
Pallavi said: “let’s be honest we’re all privileged but the people on the ground… etc” Achint literally just said his dad was assassinated when he was 15! Does that sound like privilege? Ali also disregarded Achint’s story by saying that things had been peaceful lately…
@@potato6439 Kashmiri pandits built their new lives from scratch after exodus, sure pandit is a privileged casts doesn’t means all pandits are rich especially the ones who were removed from kashmir
@@musqitonebeats2129 You know, there was no caste in the Kashmir region, all people were called Pandits there since it was mainly the learned people of the society who used to go there, stay in isolation and do their research.
Pallavi's and Ali's behaviours were legit making my blood boil. Well Idc about them but I'm really happy with the others behaviour. They were so polite and kind and they were actually speaking facts. Lots of respect for them.
"they were actually speaking facts" lol title is wrong "Can indian hindus and indian muslims see eye to eye?" What about opinions of hindus in pakistan and bangladesh?
@@peak_911should be done I'd say. I'm from Bangladesh and I'm seeing how Hindus are being discriminated against by the majority Muslims. the situation is even worse in Pakistan sadly
Pallavi was representing the hindu side just because she was born in that religion and not because she wanted to.This is not fair to put her up from hindus side.
Pallavi mahn. She was pushing her thoughts onto others not presenting her views/points. I could see the chinmay dude getting nervous when he spoke after pallavi. I appreciate kabir and achint a lot for keeping their calm and presenting their points how they should, unlike pallavi. Great discussion!
She was being completely statistical. She wasn't letting others speak. She spoke with Ali when he dismissed Anchit's trauma. She said that a few people don't represent an entire community But then was questioning the whole hindu community when the ram mandir case was brought up. I think Kabir was the wisest And the most compassionate person in that room. There should have been more talks between him and Anchit.
I think Ali and Pallavi were kinda rude when achint was talking about his trauma. Achint experienced his father being assassinated first hand. I cant even imagine going through it. Respect to kabir for giving his condolences and being apologetic even though he didnt have to be.
To be honest I don't think Pallavi was here from the Hindu side she was here from the anti-BJP side. More than she represented Hindus and their ideologies she criticized the govt for everything.
Exactly.. Bc uske ghar wale khatam hogae usko tolerate hone ka gyan pel rahi h... Desh bat gya do bar.. Abhi bhi Ashanti h....Kashmir ko alag krne k lie khade hojate h... Agar Muslim marega to poori community ek hojaegi.. Kashmiri pandit mara to bolta h ali humse kya matlab ... Ye to haal h ... Or unsab k bad bhi tolerate hone ka gyan de rhe h...
Shame on you Jubilee, bringing a anti-hindu politician to represent the Hindu community. It was just a forum to bash those 2 hindus & make them feel bad about their indentity. Anchit having the most traumatic experiences was shut down & belittled that's so messed up.
@@felidaesaremoresuperiortha5855 Stfu you bigot go do your homework. This woman is an opposition politician who's job is to spread lies & hate for the majority community & tarnish the image of the country. Were you born yesterday? Don't you know how politics work.
Pallavi has the sirname 'Sharma' which is also a hindu sirname. But as she married a muslim and and has issues with the religion she was born in, she should change her sirname, to a muslim sirname. She's also a part of a very hypocrite political party here in India INC, which pays less attention to religious rights of the majority religious group here in Indian .
There's a imposter among us 1)Pallavi Sharma is from Congress she is a politician who is obviously anti bjp 2)She has given several anti-hindu statement before that and it was evident which side she supported on this debate How is it fair to include her from the hindu side
I am a Kashmiri Pandit and it was saddening to see Pallavi making a mockery of Achint's pain just to state her point. I felt Kabir was most sensible amongst all of them. Ali was absolutely disrespectful to Achint.
Kabir wants the demolishment of Babri to be acknowledged but as soon as a Kashmiri Pandit who has witnessed his father being assassinated speaks up about the demolshment of 350 < temples in Kashmir, Kabir is like "so we're keeping scores now?". Sadly for a Hindu today, the middle ground is to forget the trauma and suffering their bloodline have experienced in the past just to not be judged and appear bigoted.
That’s not the full story. Hindus should ignore their past cause it’s shameful and it was caused by us. We wanted to break the mosque not them. We started riots didn’t we? We initiated so much violence and then complained when it came back to us. The suffering we put out came back, that’s the law of karma which you should know if you’re such a staunch Hindu but sadly people like you speak without putting much thought into it and just blame others. Look I don’t want to offend you with this and if I did I am so sorry and trust me when I say this, both Hindus and Muslims were at fault and we should leave it in the past as we try to dissolve conflicts which have stood for years and bringing up the past would be like adding fuel to the fire.
@@achintbhat9187 Hello Achint. Please have my condolences for what had happened when you were younger; you underwent what nobody else on this Earth should have to experience in their lives. I appreciate that you chose to come on this set and speak your truth in front of hundreds of thousands of people watching this video. Thank you.
What Cartman from South Park said about Muslims was pretty accurate, he said that not all of em are dangerous but a few are and we can never know which are those “few”.
my heart aches to see people like Pallavi who have the ability to show empathy for one side yet not for the others. It is for people like her it becomes very hard for both the communities to coexist.
Becuase there’s a massive imbalance between the two sides . 70% of India is hindu, they are majority and the authority you cannot ‘both sides’ this issue
@@shsfehyrjust because there are 70+ % hindus .. we hindus still exist, otherwise hindus would have been wiped out, just like what happened in literally ever islamic country
Pallavi has a political agenda to put forward here ( member of INC). I don't think someone with a political background should be allowed in a discussion like this.
She made fair points, as did others. I don't clearly understand why did she/her words get under your skin. I am not Indian, but it seems this might have something to do with her being vocal of what's happening in India post-2014.
i mean, she stated false historical records & as soon as Achint mentioned the record of temples demolished in kashmir, she and the other guy were like “so we’re keeping records now?” (Various materials have been found during excavation which suggest the presence of a Hindu structure beneath. Also, The Supreme Court noted that the Babri Masjid was not built on a vacant land and the excavated underneath structure was not Islamic in nature)
@@tejasvirana9923 The other guy did not say "so we're keeping records now?" He said "are we settling scores?" Settling score is an English expression which means entirely different thing than keeping records. Someone had done you wrong, and you are doing him wrong now in return is "settling scores". On to your point of excavation: If there is a Mosque in place, how come you could excavate there. You must demolish it first to see if there is anything else underneath. Isn't it?
@@shoeb434 and obviously, everything in our history is noted so it is important that we mention the “scores” the amount of times Hindus have been exploited is just depressing and I know that people from all religions live here peacefully now but it still hurts us because of all that our ancestors had to go through & YET WE ARE SUFFERING.
Ali and Pallavi, a little sympathy would go a long way. Just thinking how Ali would have reacted if the situation was reversed. Kabir is a sweetheart. He understands reality with sympathy
The way Ali reacted when Anchit pointed out that 350 or so temples were burnt. I get it was a bit immature from Anchit's side because it kinda gave the vibe that he was downplaying atrocities committed on Muslims,but seriously was it even necessary? The way Ali just sprang into that mode..Like have some empathy?
Even before the independence European newspapers like nyt and times have printed wrong and twisted images of India to reflect and expand the negative side I'm a 12th class student and our politics ncert book qoutes and shows times and other European newspaper headlines And they were always against india and anti asian
@@souvikbera3067 then he should have said the west. Europe and North America are clearly not the same. instead of giving a rude answer try to understand and learn from your mistake.
13:27 why she suddenly got angry on the fact that there was a mandir below the mosque.... But then she turned the conversation to the ram was born on that place.... Nobody says that Ram lalla was born on the exact same place but we say there was a mandir which was built there and after that babri masjid was built on top of that. And ASI have also provided enough evidence of that that's why court couldn't say anything now on this matter. Cause we have enough proof of that we had a mandir on that land and muslim must give us our mandir back.... But just like someone from the panel said " not my business, not my problem" I would like to same thing "not my mosque, not my problem" But that mosque wasn't used for many centuries then why people cry over for it now??
Politics that's why, they have internalised hatred for being unable to convert us after so many years, only nation standing as it did 5 thousand years ago.
As a hindu, i disapprove of whatever pallavi has said, It felt more like propaganda , And BTW they are discussing about BJP and not even 1 person is of BJPs ideology, thats what i hate about this interviews, They are just PROPAGANDA we get to hear everyday by left parties ,nothing else to learn
@@Abdullah-mn6sw But then there are ample cases of Congress affiliated people being total degenrates, then why would you invite Pallavi considering the fact that she is INC spokesperson. This is hypocracy
@@kunalmandhare3144 I think you misunderstood me, I should have put a question mark. I wanted to say that even if someone is related to BJP or Congress that doesn't necessarily mean they fit into a perfect box of ideology. For the record I agree that bringing a political rep to such a discussion was wrong.
@@Abdullah-mn6sw yes they may or may not fit into that ideology. In fact how you interpret a particular ideology is also subjective. We all know Atal bihari vajpayee ji, Gopinath Munde and Pramod Mahajan were also pro hindutva but they interpreted it differently than Advani. So, calling all of BJP and all of congress degenerates is naive. And yes, my point was exactly limited to do not bring people from political outfits to such discussions, try and bring people with neutral views as well as people truly represent their lobbies (in this case religion).
I think people like Pallavi are the reason why Congress is so weak and will never win. I mean.... she's still living in her own dream land. She had to wake up and smell the coffee. The hindus have woken up and are demanding equal treatment. And ignoring the reasons for the rise of hindutva will just make things harder for INC.
Absolutely disgusting, how the Kashmiri pandit was shut down just for saying the truth, “are we settling scores ?”, no remorse, for the genocide of Kashmiri pandits,the thousands of temples destroyed and mosques built over.
What was the point of his comment if not settling scores? His detractors said those things happened and were terrible. They also pointed out that the destruction of temples doesn't justify the destruction of masjids. Both are bad and should stop.
@@itr8247 He wasn't referring to that masjid. He was referring to temples in Kashmir. I'm also not sure why Muslims of today should suffer because of something Muslims of the past did (i.e. building a masjid on top of a temple). There is a middle ground that doesn't result in continued suffering on either side. To do otherwise is just settling scores.
@@writerchick94 Hindus are not asking for every destroyed temple to be returned They are asking only 3 temples tk be returned. Having mosque on that site is also illegal in Islam.
hahah pandits are less than 2% of kashmiri population. 97+%. of kashmir valley is muslim and it is highly anti india. ur million troops cant even keep pandits or biharis safe in kashmir from kashmiri locals
Those who still talk and think that it's absurd to blame an entire community for Islamic Jihadi attacks and genocides, I recommend those people to take some time to read Quran & Hadees and then you'll know why this special peaceful community does it. I know it might be sounding communal to those delusional secular or liberal people, but I hope for you guys to at least know the exact reason behind their actions. For a sneak peak of sorts, check what Kafir and Mushriq means
Me being a kashmiri pandit i know fully well what achint has been through Seeing ur family getting killed ,houses getting burned nd us running away from our mother land for the fear of our lives. And just watching people like pallavi being so ignorant about these facts and the other girl literally being “scared” of us makes me feel pity for their mindset.
Do you know how many Muslims of Jammu were murdered in 1947? Jammu was ethnically cleansed from it's Muslim population. I have sympathy for the Kashmiri Pandits for what they have suffered after the 90's but Muslims of Jammu also suffered the same fate in 1947.
why is the girl being scared of voicing her opinions bother u so much??? she has a genuine reason to be scared.... it would be ignorant on YOUR part if u disagree with the fact that muslim woman have the complete freedom of speech and opinion in modern day india where majority are hindus
@@Lyallpuriya muslims never have sympathy for hindus , you clearly talk about ummah(islamic brotherhood) that means you will favour muslim even if he is the oppresor
As a pakistani muslim, its so infuriating to see pallavi and ali's insesnitive reaction to achint's loss. My muslim brothers and sisters can reassure u, we must not be represented by such an insensitive individual. Prayers go out to achint and his family.
With all due respect, Pallavi took away more from the conversation than she gave. Her representation could have been so much better in terms of communication, but all she did was speak more than the Muslims themselves about them and dismiss Achint's gruesome side of history. I was shocked to find her trying to state facts that everyone was already painfully aware of and sideline some genuine problems Hindus face. She could have been the perfect middle ground but chose not to. Kabir and Zarah were phenomenal with their words. I wish we got to hear more from Achint. This comment has been gaining some attention, so an update: I have come to the realization that Pallavi is a member of a political party. Middle Ground is a conversation for laymen to have since politicians will obviously have biases, so I hope Jubilee avoids that in the future. Having said that, let's not bash anyone for their personal choices or hate against an ideology. Extremism results in chaos. Middle Ground is for the viewers to have a deeper understanding of social and economic issues as well, and if you refuse to understand the 'other side', you are refusing to bring the very change you want to see. I have grown as a person watching these videos, and I am sure that if you broaden your perspective, you will too. Thank you :)
What you're seeing with Pallavi is a classic case of overcompensation. She isn't trying to please or win favours from the other side. In the beginning of the video she talked about how her family was anti-Muslim and still won't even talk to her husband. When you are surrounded by so much negativity, you feel compelled to neutralise all that negativity and end up overcompensating with positive sympathy and empathy. The solution to that is not muting people like Pallavi but to make sure that children are being brought up in neutral environments. If Pallavi's husband is also extremely pro-Muslim, I wouldn't be surprised if their children also continue the cycle by being anti-Muslim.
@@silverkittyzen Honestly it kinda feels like Jubilee will usually have one of these sorts of people in the group who is more favorable to the other group's point of view than their own. They also had someone like that in the Israel-Palestine episode and the Police-BLM Activist episode I think it makes for an interesting dialogue and perspective, but I do think that it sorta unevens the numbers when these people tend to be in the minority compared to their group overall. Could be helped imo by having 4 people on each side instead of 3
@@KarthikAyyalasomayajula I completely agree with this! I know Jubilee is very accepting and takes particular care in choosing people, but sometimes it ends up in one side dominating the other(as in this case). I hope the future videos include this, because the middle ground is a wonderful outlet for me and many others and it would be a shame to not see even participation.
@@KarthikAyyalasomayajula I know it is likely to happen but I don't believe Jubilee does it on purpose. I don't think they evaluate people's leanings or opinions before being shortlisted. They only look for people who identify with a certain label. The criteria that would concern them more would be English speaking ability, the ability to express themselves clearly, etc. They don't want people to be aware of the prompts beforehand. Like I said, anti-Muslim mentality is not uncommon among Hindu households so it is not uncommon to find people who have very pro-Muslim views like her. Moreover, Hindus who strongly adhere to their religion while being anti-Muslim are usually older people or people who are uneducated or can't speak English very well.
Even my crush dint ignore me as much as they ignored the points of Anchit (Kashmiri Pandit) who has practicle experience of how bad things can go if you don't keep it in control to this other people whos idea of India is by reading some headlines of news paper which aren't even Indian. Says a lot.
What were his points? That justification of Ram Mandir bc Temples were destroyed in the past? Live in the present, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
@@Redwater352 many hindus vote congress By that logic are they muslims ? No Pallavi is well known advocate She married to muslim guy If you read quran, muslim guy is not allowed to marry non muslim or kafir She is muslim Plz read history, and compare it to present
A very one-sided discussion imo. Standing up for Muslims is considered progressive and empathetic, while stating facts about atrocities against Hindus is considered fascist and regressive. True representation of today’s “woke” culture. Especially the Pallavi chick is so disappointing to watch
@Rakshita Singh Bruhhhhh do you know That in Bangladesd those goons are arrested .... millions of Hindus live in gulf muslim countries that are safe there
Pallavi reduced the takeaway from this conversation. The idea of Middle Ground is to have contrasting points of view whereas hers was “friendly fire” within the context of the discussion. Also Jubilee totally skipped over what the Kashmiri Pandit genocide was, sticking to a damn bland Wikipedia entry describing the community.
Jubilee is super woke. If that had of been Muslims being genoicided you can bet there would have been a whole episode discussing it. Unless of course it happened in China.
@@poocrayon4588 lmao nope. like there is nothing being said in china, there is nothing being said in other places where muslims have died on a large scale, such as israel
@@rezamohammed9778 The whole point was they wouldn't say it against China. Only little countries who they feel free to talk about. China is totally different, don't act like Palenstine doesn't and hasn't had controlling forces and many of it's own citizens who want the total destruction of Israel. Hamas ring a bell?
I ain't really looking forward to see more content based in Indian Demographics because media tends to bring wrong and privileged people as representative and that affects and changes the whole narrative. I couldn't care less about Pallavi's argument as I knew her background and she shouldn't really be considered as a representative. I wanted more of Achint's argument as he is a victim of the divide and we need more people like him in the discussion.
Agreed 💯. I wish they would’ve let Anchit speak more since he was a victim of the Hindu-Muslim divide. Having a Muslim victim of Hindu extremism would have been too so we could hear both sides.
Those who still talk and think that it's absurd to blame an entire community for Islamic Jihadi attacks and genocides, I recommend those people to take some time to read Quran & Hadees and then you'll know why this special peaceful community does it. I know it might be sounding communal to those delusional secular or liberal people, but I hope for you guys to at least know the exact reason behind their actions. For a sneak peak of sorts, check what Kafir and Mushriq means
How is it that only one person said "I'm sorry for ur loss" and the way ali and pallavi reacted to the situation just threw me off, achint wasn't even blaming the whole community for the loss and by saying sorry for his loss, Kabir wasn't taking responsibility he was just being respectful
Exactly ..... the type which disowns and insults her own sect... did the opposite team said anything abt the opposition govt or hebnious things of the past??
@@mukool7477 She's right though? Everything she said was right. Others just didn't speak out like she was willing to and there's always part of it that are cut out. Graham Stephan a youtber went on one of these episodes and he explained that alot of the talk doesn't make it into the final cut so maybe there's a reason as to why her points made it
@@denzilrodrigues3316 she is clearly wrong. First of all, she is not a hindu. Second she told a guy who lost his father that he was same as his killers. Now, i am in full support of france and chinese govt on the issue against uighurs.
@@t-rexkalita1379 I agree I didn't like when she compared him to the killers. And about her not being a hindu... she identifies as one so bit of a sticky one there. Why do you think she isn't a hindu? just curious. Could be that she still carries out hindu practsies and belives in the hindu faith but her marriage has made her see the other side so she shares a different view from other Hindus?
@@mukool7477 Mate I literally said I don't agree with her on that. I've been in India myself when the CAA was passed and the government shut down the entire city cutting our electricity and Internet supply. I've heard of churches being burnt and Christians being discriminated and assaulted in India all my life. I already know what it is
I thought this is a neutral platform. But when i came to the video muslim is talking about muslim. And so called hindus is also talking about muslim. 😢
I,as a hindu consider that the woman is extremely incorrect about the evidence issue as their has been more than enough evidence and social issues for the area to be Ram Mandir.
The debate has 4 Muslims and 2 Hindus. Pallavi and Ali are one hell of a PoS. They want Anchit's personal loss to blamed on Anchit's own destiny. While Ali's own community want responsibility from Hindus. Lol.
I am a Kashmiri Pandit and my mother personally knows Achint and his family. She also immediately called her friend (Achint's sister) as soon as she saw this. The acount that Achint has given is NOTHING compared to how horrifyingly his father was assassinated. He was tortured the entire night (with cigarette butts etc.), his house was surrounded by Islamic terrorists and his father was later found in a dry well the next day. He was so young when this happened and my mother recalled everything as soon as she heard what I was watching!
I am absolutely shattered by how some people did not let him talk about his viewpoints. This Middle Ground video represents the political situation of the country very well nowadays and how absolutely DIFFICULT it has become to express viewpoints and even state facts.
At the same time, I am nothing but PROUD of Achint and the way he spoke. He was an absolute gentleman, so soft spoken and my heart cries for him because he was surrounded with such insensitive people. THIS IS EXACTLY what infuriates Kashmiri Pandits in this country. I am glad we still take our space, even though exactly like some people here would not want us to do that.
Thank you for sharing his story
Saddening
This comment should be pinned.
more power to all kashmiri pandits out there❤🌹
Thank you so so much for sharing his story and it doesn't mean a lot but I want to apologise for the behaviour and reactions to him sharing some of it. My heart goes out to him and his family.
It's absolutely disgusting of Jubilee to include Pallavi on the programme because she is Pallavi Sharma, an Indian National Congress spokesperson. It is highly inappropriate to include politicians on a discussion between people who are supposed to be laymen.
Also she is so condescending
Does that discredit her as a strong Hindu woman who advocates her believes so promisingly?
@@rhythmdew8928 Yes, because she came with an agenda, her political agenda and not as an individual representing Hindu faith and beliefs. This is part of narrative building right here.
@@rhythmdew8928 Yeah she was consistently saying that the divide has happened after 2014 for her all the bad things has happened after 2014 I was also thinking why she is always targetting the government now I get it
@@ShivamSingh-cz8th it's absolutely possible for one's personal beliefs to line up with their political beliefs. If she think the 2014 govt did something wrong, she's allowed to say it. If you don't agree with her, that's allowed too. My point is the other comments just blatantly tagged her a muslim which I think is not fair!
as a Muslim myself, the way Ali approached some of the questions with a lack of empathy was so disappointing especially after Kabir was acknowledging Achint's loss. Being sorry for someone's loss does not mean they're taking responsibility, just showing respect
Dude said “As a part of the Muslim community I am sorry for ur loss” like bro is acting as if the Muslim community is responsible and not some crazy individual
@Rakshita Singh ok and regular people in America commit murders that are all Christian but no one says “I apologize on behalf of the Christian community.” Just because some psycho claims to be Muslim and kills doesn’t mean the community is responsible. Ali is 100% right and the most sensible on this casting. I do agree that maybe he could have showed a little more empathy but his logic was better than everyone elses
@@2ksnipa355 this!!
@@2ksnipa355 well Achint's father was killed just because he was NOT a muslim ...and whoever killed him was perpetrating the crime on the basis of religion so when the crime is happening on the basis of religion then why not apology should happen on the same basis...and he said as a muslim he was sorry he didn't say i am apologizing on behalf of the whole islamic population.
That’s true Ali did sound harsh
They have got 1 billion Hindus but all they found was Pallavi
dollars kitna mila hai 😅😅😂 not only in this debate in bollywood, ads, all over the society 😂 but they don't able to stopped sanatan dharma after their all efforts and Yes they have not courage to invite real hindu who know all knowledge of 4 veads 😅
hahahahhahahahha
Bro...she is not a hindu....it reflects some thing else... saying she is hindu....I hope u get what it is reflecting in her
Shee married with muslim boy and she also accepted Islam
@@aniket_barma that says it all.
“None of my business. Not my problem.”
The most insensitive thing a person can say sitting in front of a victim.
Achint, no words for you loss. You and your family is a victim of hatred of Kashmiri muslims on Kashmiri Hindus. This shouldn’t have happened. It is the combined hatred of one community on another that made this happen, it is not one person’s doing.
The irony is that this attitude of 'not my problem', from people on both sides, is the problem.
Not my problem is a problem.
@@thecrimsondragon9744 It's the muslim community that says that
Right, I understood the idea he was trying to present but it simply wasn't the time or the way of doing it.
@@raghavnamasivayam5098 youre the problem. youre the reason we are having these discussions because youre so stuck up in the divide and wanting to remove islam from India. of course its not only muslims who say its not my problem, its hindus too, its all people who are too insensitive and heartless to care whether thats in the irish english violence etc etc.
@@raghavnamasivayam5098 just a single person doesn't represent the entire community..apart from Kashmir the rest of India is peacefully coexisting with each other.the problem is in the kashmir not in the faith of Muslims.the govt and media should focus where we are lacking in making kashmir more peaceful rather than blaming the whole muslim community for what is happening there or have happened
If Achint had been a Muslim and his family were the victims of the assassination, would Ali still have said “it’s not my problem!”? We are so used to wanting to see one community as being victimised that when perpetrators come from that community we lose all balance and objectivity. I lost interest in this discussion when Achint’s lived experiences were completely dismissed and turned into something else and diverted by attention seeking Pallavi
I think what he meant 2 say was u can't "expect" another Muslim to apologise for what another has done. So he didn't have to apologise but out of respect he should have gave his condolences. As for that politician, this is why some of jubilees videos r crap. Why would u bring a politician to a middle ground talk
Well he was right that all Muslims should not take blame for this but yes, he also sounds rude to me.
If anyone is facing discrimination, violence, we should all raise our voice. It's inhumanity to say "that's not my problem"!!!
If anyone is taking about pakistani pandits, that doesn't mean he hate Muslims or blaming indian muslim for it.
@Khartikeyen Satheraman what r u talking about
Apologising and being apologetic are 2 different aspects. Feeling apologetic does not mean that you directly caused a problem but you feel remorse and shame for what happened to the other person. I find it strange when Pallavi started discussing about how Hindus should apologise or feel remorse for Mosques being burnt. Why should a Hindu who has not caused a Mosque to burn be made to feel apologetic?
The rules change when it’s the other way round isn’t it? Double standards much 🤷♀️
A middle ground can only ever be attained when a community is objective and is able to introspect within rather than solely celebrating victimhood. If someone from your community makes a mistake or commits a crime in the name of the religion that is wrong and that action would have ruined someone’s life so yes be apologetic about it and condemn what that person from your community did. That is the mature, objective and truly unbiased way to deal with sensitivity.
@@myas-3995 bang on!
I am impressed with Achint's patience and Kabir's patience. Especially Achint considering his past.
agreed, much respect to them both
Lol what past? He’s lying to his teeth. Kashmiri conflict is solely political not religious. More than 80,000 Kashmiri muslims have been killed by Indian military since 1990s while only 89 Kashmiri Hindus were killed by militants mostly for being associated with Indian state and at the same time more than 3000 Kashmiri muslims were killed by same militant group for working for india
@@RatherA source?
@@RatherA you can clear your beliefs by watching videos about kashmiri pandits gen*cide
@@RatherA why would he lie? And what source do you have before you came here crying?
If you're inviting a Congress spokesperson, you should be inviting a BJP spokesperson too. This is not fair at all. She had the agenda all along. Shame on you Jubilee !
Zaarah is right about it being easy to talk about these issues in a safe space like this with a group of seemingly upper class well educated lot. Doing so in the real world is more complicated.
a whole lot more. it's actually so deeply ingrained in the minds that people don't wanna even consider that they're wrong.
people like my parents-
_sigh_
It's only complicated if you make it such. For instance, I'm an atheist and don't care who knows it. I refuse to be judged or let someone try and shame me for it.
she barely talked-
It's not easy having such conversation in a normal setting with your friends as anyone can turn hostile very soon
@@Zdaren dude, they're speaking about their culture in another country. They're gonna have accents. Deal with it smh
Achint is the only person who has suffered due to this hindu-msulim rivalry. Achint is the only person who was talked over most of the time. That's a great reflection of how we're dealing with this problem.
True. That hindu girl is also the best example of the indian left i have seen. Blame the victims for the problems and then leave the pot boiling.
Why she didn't say "thanks for not blaming hindus" when zarah talked about her problems? Thats when she realised that she should sympathise 😬😬
She doesn't know anything and wants to work on issues without understanding of the actual events.
She was ignorant Ngl.
@@अण्वायुवरीवर्त yeah no one does, except those claiming cow dung will save India
@@arun3568 many people do know but they are not the ones controlling the society.
The way they sidelined achint's trauma is so sad.
I hated how they were all just silent when they came to sit down. It's one thing to be tongue tied but how did NOBODY even say 'I am sorry for your loss'? And when Kabir eventually said it he was criticised! Saying 'I am sorry for your loss' is NOT the same as taking blame!!! It's a way of expressing sympathy!!!!
When Ali said 'Not my business, not my problem' I wanted to kick him below the belt.
This is what happens with Hindus & still Other side Is projected as PERPETUAL VICTIM
@@silverkittyzen leave I use to trust jubilee but now I understood its all Propaganda
It was awkward and no one knew who should speak first. I think they did well. Could have been much better but at least they didn't completely ignore it.
@@silverkittyzen how? he said it as a formal apology on behalf of the community. they all should’ve said im sorry for your loss, but at the same time, none of them are to blame for the death. meanwhile, some of the other people were denying the facts and sidelining the experiences of muslims such as the sacrifice. if you are fearful of death when it comes to tradition, there is clearly something really wrong. so please don’t criticize the muslims without critizing the hindus for denying that muslims face discrimination. i agree with you that the trauma is real, but you have to look at everything from a broad sense
"nikah" she converted to Islam, it is not a fair debeat
hahahaha its 2 Hindus vs 4 Muslims again not a fair battleground. What a shame!!
It's not fare debate
4 mudlim, two victim card , 2 hindu
You should made a debate all Hindus than it will be fair you.😂@@ShashankaPappala
@@KingKong-z4v Are you for real? Do you exist in real world? No wonder, I would love to not meet you in person, I pity those who have to live in your surrounding :P :P
Correct
Should have put a Bangladeshi or Pakistani Hindu and seen what they had to say. It willl blow yalls mind what we've been through and how little media rep we get
@Shubham Rawat very much agreed
@Shubham Rawat 😁 Another Libru. Who don't want to see the difference between facts and ideology ( of a cult).
@Shubham Rawat itna easy nahi hota to leave ur house and everything u built in pakistan and bangladesh, not every hindu is rich like u
@Shubham Rawat As expected a lone soul roaming in comment sections😏.
You didn't understand our Hindu brothers for sure most of them. And I don't Think so HINDUS near by are abrahmics or religious who have strict code of reading scriptures.
All indians who read indian scriptures..
Or dusra ke chodo time kharab hi karoge.
@Shubham Rawat No, u missed the whole point. India is secular because of hindus. If muslims became majority kashmir exodus events would be more frequent. We have already seen how even an educated muslim put their religion ahead of national and secular interest.
The way they were dealing with that man’s trauma makes me real mad as a Black person. What if a white person did that to them about racism? They’d be mad pressed, it makes my blood boil.
Welcome to India. And , if we retaliate we r the oppressors. This is what a hindu faces when he/she talks about their suffering. Even our community's genocide is not reported .
Black thinks that they were the most persecuted and exploited race in world ,once they real about the history of Indian Hindus ,their sufferings,their sacrifices ,their persecution ,the islamic invasion and the the cherry on the top the British Colony for more than 200 years the blood will boil at more than Sun 🌡️ temperature ,
The most persecuted race in the world are HINDUS 😔😥🙏🏻 ,Still we are tolerant towards all the people ,still they target uss ,
@@divyanshsinha1045 bro hindu isn't a race
@@divyanshsinha1045 divyansh this isn't oppression olympics we have all been exploited in terrible ways
@@divyanshsinha1045 bruhhhhhh didn't British killed millions of Indians regardless of there religion
I am not even hindu and can clearly see that Pallavi isnt deep in to hinduism, she is clearly fond of her husband's side(islam). Both Pallavi and Ali were obnoxious in the way they attack people in the group that doesnt go with what they believe in. The both of the them has potrayed a bully mentality in my opinion.
you're spot on
On the other hand, Kabir won hearts.
@@pratikb8131 absolutely not...he went onto say "are we settling scores right now?"
100%
@@captainlevi7188 right like the lack of empathy,kashmiri pandit issue is being used as anti muslim propaganda by the Government but saying that to a victim
1000 YEARS OF COEXISTENCE WOW I didn't know oppression, genocide, and slavery is termed as coexistence
What genocide?
@@lumiant2882 the kashmiri pandits?????
@@conantt29 They didn't face a genocide, it was an exodus.
@@lumiant2882 It was a genocide followed by an exodus.
It was the most brutal genocide in India since 1947.
@@xlr8_bs514 80 deaths is not considered a genocide.
Honestly Achint and Kabir are the only two people who are actually having a proper conversation. The others speak irl as if they were on twitter
Can't people start to protest to have huge worlds best hospital with huge modern equipments in ayodya where people are fighting have ram mandir or mosque...bro we are going to madir or mosque to prey for health can't we make that holy land thats claimed by both hindus and muslim be life saving place to both religions and create employment.
@@VeganSanatani
let's see who gonna win in the upcoming battle
@@explorer063 we have already won..
Look at the election results
Real title should be "Can North Indian Hindus and North Indian Muslims See Eye To Eye?" Because this stuff would never happen in South India, here we all live together as INDIANS not muslims or Hindus first. and never against each other like these people are.
@@debodatta7398 because Hindus of South Indian are id🥎its, they are too blind to see the reality, in the space of 2016 to 2019 in Karnataka more than 24600 hindu women went missing.
The highest conversation and forced conversion rate is in Kerala and Karnataka..
Hindu festivals cannot be decorated with saffron colours,
The CM of the states openly call for the destruction of Santan.
All because there was that one Dude Called Periperi, who could not resist sleeping with his daughter... And Hindus wouldn't let that slip.
Grow up grow up ..
As an Afghan Muslim, it was heartbreaking to hear about Achint's past but it was absolutely infuriating to listen to people's reactions to that. Like how hard is it to empathize with someone who has had to ho through something as painful as that? Kudos to you Achint for your patience and for not hating us Muslims. Respect.
Edit: No longer responding to the comments. Thank you but I'm not going to engage in further identity wars.
Thank you for understanding dude
fellow afghan muslim!
@@swetasinha2294 👍👍
@@user400 ❤️🇦🇫
I am indian and in my college there are many Afghani studying engineering , we love them a lot . The time was hard for them when Taliban took over but we tried as much to make them feel home . I LOVE AFGHANIS SOO MUCH
Maybe I sound crazy but I wish these were even longer. Like 45mins to an hour. This is hands down my favorite series on here to watch. It’s really deep and informative. I’m hooked.
Fr like other videos have 6-7 questions and this had only 4. Although the discussions were more elaborate and detailed. Otherwise there are too many cuts.
hopefully one day do release uncut versions too!
Pallavi is not Hindu, she is herself atheist and Anti Hindu.
@@cacspathshala3554 no one cares stop spamming
Agreed, with topics discussed and the people involved, it was way too short.
Girl in red is a Muslim now. She did a nikah.
Are you sure??
@@abhi.ku2432 definitely. Nikkah can only happen between 2 muslims.
@@Shawn_mike34 are you Muslim?😂 and how do you know abt her marriage or if she did a Nikka because I think so your talking rubbish
@@Shawn_mike34not really,
@@electraheart2823 you saying "not really" to look cool but it's far from reality. Nikah can ONLY happen between 2 muslims
inviting a politician to talk about political issue , sums up the credibility of this channel
like she is just a wannabe liberal
I am literally shocked, just found out she is a spokesperson of the INC, no wonder
who..? was a politician
@@12pack pallavi
@@sameulroy2757 lol wtf no doubt now i understand why she is inclined
I love the moment when Kabir explains Chinmay's point in a better way and Chinmay goes " This guy understands me so well. " Isn't that all which matters concerning the current scenario ?
ikr...that was wholesome
True that was so wholesome
Stop acting as if Islam is not evil.
@@TedEhioghae no it’s not dude
@@TedEhioghaeno it's not
"Not my problem"
Ok that was insensitive as fck
Precisely why there was no point of this video.
@@aaryakulkarni2222 There were other people in the vide too??
But his perspective is different right? If in UP mob linching is happened. Then its totally wrong. But I'm as a hindu, i don't feel responsible becuase i haven't even do pr think such thing justifiable. But why should i explain to society? Yes that is insensitive to tell this in front of someone who affected due to this. That is indeed. But guy's perspective is also valid.
@@aarusong16 hopefully you realize I never said anything against his overall perspective. I'm referring to a specific thing he said.
However, since you went further, I'd have to say I disagree with where people think they have no responsibility to be part of a positive difference, especially if they belong to a group that throughout history has been a source of violence. It's honorable when someone chooses to be a part of changing that. Looking the other way, in a sense, makes you a part of the problem does it not?
As far as him saying he isn't a part of the hate, yeah I get that.
But what he said, what I specifically mentioned, was a pretty messed up thing to say regardless
yes!! we can easily dodge any question saying that
Population of Sikhs in 1947 in Pakistan: 20 lakhs
Population of Sikhs in 2024 in Pakistan: 30k
Population of Sikhs in 1947 in India: 60 lakhs
Population of Sikhs in 2024 in India: 3.8 CR
They're reduced to 30k from 20 lakhs in Pakistan, Increased to 3.8 cr from 60 lakhs in India.
Same goes to hindus as well bro. Hindus in Pakistan 1947 is over 20% but now they r less than 2%
reproduced data like ur mother did to u? lol
Sikhs in pakistan are like 8000 not 30k
Migration??
Genocide and forced conversion. @@khubaibking7061
Would love to see a middle ground with Pakistan and India, as someone with parents from either country
How interesting. I'd genuinely love to hear how did your family come to be.
Imagine watching cricket
I have friends from Pakistan and we have a middle ground discussion ever time we meet. We watched cricket together peacefully which is a lot to say.
My roommate is from pakistan and her boyfriend is from India (I'm from US). Until living with her, I had no idea just how much tension there was between the two countries! I'd love to learn more about this
There arent any Hindu left in Pakistan, so how you are going to do that Mr.?
When I studied in mumbai in school i remember one of my troubled classmates who had to change schools due to psychological reasons. She was elder by few years and her uncle and mother tried hard to make her fit . She was very apprehensive and wouldn't talk. Few years ago connected with her on Facebook . We chatted and turns out she is super friendly . I asked her why was she soo weird in school and what i heard has broken my heart . As a young child her father , her uncle and grandfather were chopped and thrown in a well and she and her sister was molested and rape. The twin sister couldn't survive because her orifices bled and got infected .her mother and aunties faced similar torture with her aunty dying due to internal haemorrhage and mother gangraped. It was a miracle how she and her mother escaped and reached Jammu to her mamaji. She was soo traumatised that for years she couldn't go to school . She started 4th grade with us after long break in mumbai where her other mamaji lived . We always felt she was too tall too fair and too older than us when we were kids and she was picked up a lot by bullies but hats off to whatever she survived
horrible 😲
Me hun pallavi :me ek chinaar hun or mera pesha hai ki bjp or hindu ko neecha dinkhao kyu mujhe hypnotise kr dia gya ek muslim ladke ne isliye me ab raNdtv dekhti ho or quint jese channel ko follow krti or apne modern ke nam me secular ki aad me mulla se shadi bhi kr leti hun ye hun pallavi chinnar randi
Kesi lagi me doston apko
Me akeli nhi hun mere jesi or bhi jese barkha dutt 😇
@@rudrakshasaraf2197 my blood boils when I see women like PALLAVI.
@@ju_kh_ak8138 bhai maaf krna sab mujhe ek ladkiyon ke liye mere liye bhaut ijjzat hai magar esi ladkiyon ko dekh ke mujhe pta nhi kya ho jata hai musalman hai dushman i know but ye jo ghar ke dushaman hai inka kya karein bolo or sala sabse zyada iske vo ladkiyan hai jo freedom ki baat krti hai magar inhi ladkiyon ko burkha me rehne ka bhi shauk hai kaha ki hypocracy hai first you ask from hindu ki mujhe skirt or chote kapde phen ne do fir uske baad tumhe burkha phenna hai kisi mulle ka bolo bolo randiyan bolo pallavai rannd kuch toh bol
i hope she's okay now
Ali at the starting of the video: "Hindus got killed by muslims, so what? I don't care, not my problem!"
Ali minutes later: "yes muslims are being killed, and I blame the government for it."
Pallabi throughout the discussion: " I will personally take offense on behalf of all the muslims, and you can not stop me!"
Pallavi was only doing this all cause she wants to convey to others how government is dividing both castes. It's all political, which I think should not be the correct topic to talk about here. Since she came to discuss about Hindus and Muslims she should have talked about that and not basically showing her opinion that everyone went downhill SINCE 2014.
It's not his fault though, it is however the governments job to stop both people from doing that from one another.
That's Muslim for ya
@Alexios I Komnenos they can, they just brown. We brown people treat each other like crap. If it isn't someone else it's within ourselves based on what caste you're in or which region you're from. That's why our situation is so bad. Look at how Europeans treated an invasion into Ukraine.
@@kh-fk3ko I don't think you should talk on a topic if you don't have the correct info about it. Its literally only the Hindus and Government's fault. They literally torture the muslims bro, the muslims never did anything to them.
Bring some Bangladeshi Hindu and muslims or Pakistani Hindu or Muslims in this show ( as a Bangladeshi Hindu I want to see it)
India is more safe for minorities than any other country in the world
Btw here I think 4 Muslims vs 2 Hindus??
Bangladesh hindhus are as safe as Muslims in North India
Guys, Pallavi Sharma is a politician. She's an Indian National Congress spokesperson. Her opinions are agenda driven and it is highly unfair to include her in this discussion which is supposed to be among laymen who have their own opinions.
Bruh if this is true I am pretty disappointed in jubilee. Usually, their content is pretty spot on but this time it seems they havent done their research well. Might have been due to their lack of understanding of this country but still.
exactly!!! this is my point
This is an integrity issue, they have brought an outright politician on the show driving the agenda. I'd even tolerate Ali to some extent as rude as he is, he is speaking his own mind and not some agenda, but I won't tolerate that thotweiler sitting among them, she barely let even the Muslims speak let alone Hindus themselves.
@@OkarinHououinKyouma Views like Pallavi are exactly why Congress is not winning elections. This has been said by various research institutes and think tanks having a neutral orientation.
True, patani is pappu ko kyu bulaya
I could relate a bit to brother Achint's pain. During 1992-93 Bombay riots my uncle's hand was cut , he was 14 years old boy and other relative was murdered. We don't hate Muslims but there is mistrust.
I cannot imagine Brother Achint's trauma. Sorry for your loss. May we have peace.
muslims have suffered too if not more
@Lil Omii that simply isnt true, especially considering the bjp and how Muslims are the minority and the situation in Kashmir but okay
@@AC-mp7cx BJP has done more to benefit the Muslims than any other govt so far. Scholarships, grants, reservations, triple talaq abolition. Hindus have suffered disproportionately more than any community in Indian subcontinent, just see the situation in Pak and Bangladesh. Acting like victims all the time when you are the biggest perpetrator community.
@@AC-mp7cx I don’t think the person is meaning to say that one community suffered more than the other. They probably mean they had bad experiences which make trusting people difficult for them on a individual level.
@@AC-mp7cx y'all are the "minority" in India but you're the majority in the whole world, after christianity. Be thankful and let people of other religions live in peace. Since y'all are following the *so called* religion of peace.
Pallavi is the only one sitting there and objectifying Hinduism. Feeling the loss and experiencing the loss hits you totally different, Kabir and Achint big salute to you brothers your maturity speaks.
Objectifying Hinduism is fine but selective objectivity that she illustrated is seriously annoying. You can easily feel like she wants to highjack the conversation and wants to superimpose her thoughts on others. She spoke like what she thinks is the ultimate truth. Her tone was also quite different from others.
musalman se shaadi ke hai usne kya expect kar sakte 🥲🥲🥲
@@rohitgajwani prospective shradha lol
@@demonslayer3683 it's not fine, if done other way around will u say the same
bro she isnt objectifying the religion cmon dont be like those BJP people. She said what Indian archaelogical evidences proved that there is no proof or whatsoever that Ram was born there, she didnt say it she just narrated the records of indian archaelogical department and to be honest It was intentional move by bjp to say that they really hate muslims and other hindus should too because they took the birthplace of ram, this is agenda
im outraged by how blinded pallavi is!! she is clearly if not indirectly taking the side of one religion throughout the whole video and this debate was not an equal one at all. we would urge you to invite actual hindus to this debate, who are educated and truly know their religion, i sense a liberandu here. also, coming from a kashmiri pandit ancestry myself, i completely empathise with achints' situation and am extremely heartbroken and angered by how his fathers' assassination was not taken into sight and was arrogantly brushed aside. achint, we are very sorry for what happened and would do anything in the world to change the past of kashmir and the GENOCIDE that took place upon kashmiri hindu pandits. very ashaming.
JAI SHREE RAM, the temple is magnificently beautiful.
I would love a conversation just between Kabir and Achint. These two were the most humble, looked beyond prejudice and spoke intellectually, but got the least chances to speak.
Either remove pallavi from this debate or add ex muslim in this debate that would this debate fairly.
@@Yahoo1213 fr
@@Yahoo1213 exactly 💯
@@Yahoo1213 ex Muslims are no longer Muslims, would it be fair to have an ex Muslim there but no ex Hindu?
@@Yahoo1213 watched the video for a little longer and I kind of agree now, pallavi isn’t an ex Hindu but it feels as if she is closer to science and other religions than her own
'Are we settling scores?'
As a Hindu , this was disturbing. Hundreds of temples have been destroyed since antiquity but as always, Hindus are expected to endure.
Kudos to Mr. Achint for not bowing down to hatred. Peace.
Exactly! I don't wish them to be remorseful as they had nothing to do with it. But, they should atleast acknowledge this issue.
But she just tried to deny it altogether.
Hindu agnostic 🤡 yeah I'm a Marxist liberal
@@sakshamtyagi9652 Sir, Hinduism is not just a religion. It is a cultural identity, quite like Judaism. An atheist or agnostic person can still be Hindu because Hinduism gives us the liberty to choose our beliefs. Thank you.
I'm a hindu agnostic too - don't really believe in hindu mythology but I believe full heartedly in hindu (advaita) philosophy
@@sakshamtyagi9652 This is typical of people who do not read enough about a specific topic and then jump to comment. Hinduism has different school of thoughts, Instrinsically even a nasthik (atheist) is a hindu (not just for name, but it is a school of thought within hinduism), None of the Abrahamic religion have this particular concept.
For both religions, life is like biryani. One cardamom and you’re done
I'm confused s
Is cardamom as a spice not allowed in either religion?
@@amadortv971 no 😂 but when you bite the cardamom it ruins the taste
Well said lol
@@amadortv971 haha nope. It's small ball-like spice that is actually necessary to give the biriyani flavour. But we put the cardamom as whole cloves so when u accidentally bite into it, you get that pungent flavour that overrides the overall taste of the biriyani.
Pallavi is not Hindu now, she is married to a Muslim.
Kabir is so thoughtful and patient with his answers
@@KINGJERMARCUS MANIFEST ITTTT!!!!
@@Zdaren they speak perfectly, just because it's a different accent than yours? People are out here learning languages and you can't bring yourself to understand an accent? Do better.
@@Zdaren i bet they speak English better than you.
right he seemed so nice
Right?? He was so sweet and respectful 😇
Pallavi is a politician....why they have called a politician??
Which party?
@@kinjalroy2419 Indian national congress
@@saloni495 that's why Congress is always losing elections 🤡
@@kinjalroy2419 😂 true
That’s why congress losing elections😂😂
i’m absolutely disgusted by how insensitive Pallavi & Ali were towards Achint’s father’s death. i think Pallavi was speaking more about muslims & from their side and instead of sharing her opinion, she was just trying to get others to agree with her?? this would’ve been way better without Pallavi.
Ofcourse
She is muslim pretend hindu
We cu*ts let the do it to us
She is a politician. Congress party's spokesperson.
Why do you people always try to play a victim card? 😐😐
This is the reality. You woukd never find a muslim favouring a hindu but can definitely find a hindu favouring islam..that is pallavi for you all
As a Muslim who stands up for Hindus this is really heartbreaking to read
Secularism summarized in India...
Entire Hindus are responsible for Babri Masjid Demolition...
But when we talk about 450+ temples demolished in Kashmir we are setting scores...
@Vibhor Srivastava nonsense the literally president is connected to a genocide
She never said entire hindu community was responsible for it, she just said one wrongdoing cannot justify other. Talking about secularism, we should be secular in our thoughts if we want to coexist. There is nothing wrong in being secular.
@@yourcryptobro0 secularism in Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan?
Kasmir is not hindu muslim issue you andhbhakt.. It's more separatist and border issues
@@lifeanddeath3072 bro, what is the need to bring those countries? We were born in India, We will talk about India. I dont support those countries at all. They aint even democratic countries. I would never want to go to such countries.
Education is key. As both Hindus and Muslims live in close knit multi-generational families the discussions in households over the next two decades will define India’s future.
💯 agree and I feel bad for them
when they were being divided🥺🙏
More than education in general… awareness/teaching/intermingling between the two sides. Coz I have seen highly educated people who have been in their respective silos, still having prejudices.
Do schools and colleges actually teach us to not to hate other community..I've never seen something like that in a book.
@@metanick1837 I did in like 7th standard. In civics there was this thing about tolerance. Sadly, you don't have the capacity or maturity to grasp that concept when you're that young. When you do get older you're in 11th 12th grade where those subjects don't exist
@@BeastMaster-gc5zgBut do they teach us about the limit of Tolerance..Imagine you watch your parents get absolutely beaten to death...will you just watch them getting murdered to show that you have Tolerance or will you do something..?
This vedio highlights the basic mentality which creates a divide. You can always find liberals such as Pallavi on Hindu side who get ultra agressive defending others and then on other side there is no moderating liberal and more over the most open minded perspective you can get is that of Ali
"It's not my problem"
What do you expect from Pallavi. She is a congress spokesperson. Obviously she would try to carry out her propoganda. Congress mostly is anti hindu and pro muslim.
Yeah pallavi and Ali were really rude and insensitive, I like
Anchint,kabir and zarah.
The other hindu guy barely spoke anything cuz of pallavi taking up all time and Ali "that's not my problem"
Yes she doesn't want to debate by hindu side she is just pretending and claiming by saying we are the majority and as a hindu by birth
There is a big difference between wanting to be hindu and just having birth as a hindu
She is just wearing a mask of a being hindu
Could it be because the overwhelming majority of the victims are indeed Muslims and not Hindu? Smh
What if i say, Palestine suffers, not my problem 💀
yeah we can see on social media how you take so much sadistic joy in something that is "not your problem"
This only shows how insensitive people are towards hindu suffering. Why did vandalising350 temples in Kashmir pushed under a rug while babri is still hot topic?.
That achint suffered so much but instead of being sensitive towards him they became hostile.
Why we suffer all the time let others suffer
Because babri mosque a historic mosque was destroyed by a Hindu mob was thousands and no one stopped them. Showing that Hindus are violent and evil like u
Bcoz u hindus dilibertly built temples in Kashmeer and settled (same like jews r doing in west bank) their bcoz ur gov. is telling hindus to move there
Only one person said "I'm sorry for your loss". That was surprising. That should've been the first thing anyone should've said. One woman made her first statement about her, that she felt fear when she heard that the dude was a Kashmiri Pandit. Great that every expressed their feelings and lauded the dude for his maturity but the first thing to come out of their mouths shouldve been an expression of sympathy for the horrendous tragedy the dude went through.
I was very confused when she said that. Why does she fear a Kashmiri pandit? Was it because she thought she might receive hate?
@@ive-3692 Yeah, exactly. The fear is that a Kashmiri pandit will hate on all muslims in response to the atrocities they faced.
Rather than direct the matter of how discussion of the exodus might cause Islamaphobia, they should have discussed how Hindus are unsafe in Kashmir. This kind of whataboutery is so frustrating for Kashmiri Pandits sharing their stories.
Well, its clear everyone one was sorry for his loss and were uncomfortable in how to start such a discussion. Later they moved from the topic. Its clear.
@@ive-3692 I was a little confused too. I was thinking why would she be scared when kashmiri pandits have had the hard side (i could be wrong correct me if so I'm not the most knowledgeable on this issue but i know a bit). there's a societal prejudice between hindus and muslims and it's from peoples experiences I understand i guess
It's sad how Achint's tragic lived experience was shut down so quickly and he was compared to the people who assassinated his father, especially since his father was targeted because of his religion in the first place. I didn't even see anyone condemning the perpetrators as much as they blamed Achint's potential "lashing out".
In an ideal world, they should've discussed why Achint had to go through such a terrible loss in the first place (ie, the Kashmiri Pandit exodus), rather than focusing on how Achint ought to behave. That's simply disrespectful.
"None of my business". "What's the difference between you and the perpetrators".
It's sad, really.
Also, what even is Pallavi doing on the Hindu side xD
@@nandinigoel571 wdym?
@@Mushroom-bd3yg I think I made myself pretty clear. The focus was on how he should behave after he faced such a loss and not why he had to suffer through that loss in the first place.
The fact that a brutal genocide, r@pe & exodus of a 400,000-500,000 community from their homeland because of their religion was shut down with a "Not my business" apologia shows the utter disregard for Hindu Lived experiences and atrocities that have befallen them for 1000 years.
@@indiaininfographics2910 precisely! Especially considering the fact that a survivor was sitting RIGHT THERE and they were still making these comments and shutting him down for pretty much the entire video.
If Jubilee brings Congress spokespersons to the debate,
I want J. Sai Deepak and Anand Ranganathan to be on the show as well.
That will be fun.
Who 🤣🤣🤣
You want a news channel debate here as well ?
I like how both communities reflect the masses in some way.
Like we all loved Kabir and Achint we loved how patient and thoughtful they were. How kabir was humble enough to say sorry for Achint's loss, and Achint was understanding enough to actually have this conversation.
Then we have Chinmaya and Zarah who harbours some apprehension, not hate but apprehension, due to some experiences of their own.
Then we have Ali and Pallavi, who didn't really give anything to the conversation.
I didn't feel the slightest bit represented with Pallavi , irritated at times? Yes.
I felt more represented with Zarah
Yea, absolutely agree w/ this breakdown!
100% true
Exactly
Yep,this proves there are all kinds of people among all kinds of people !!
Aly and Pallavi wereone team
The only Kashmiri Hindu in the room and they manage to shut him up. Also they didn't mention in that little text that the Kashmiri Hindus were forcefully converted and killed/kicked out of kashmir for the international viewers who may not have the complete view of the situation.
What fairy tale are you talking about
@@RatherA tum logo ko reality fairy tale hi lagegi
Khud jo ek fairy tale me ji rahe ho
@@RatherA it's called reality my friend.
@@RatherA get educated before countering facts...
@@RatherA go and educate yourself and cry somewhere else
I was very disappointed that Jubilee casted someone with a political background(Pallavi- spokesperson of congress). Political people can never be true. She is just carrying out her agenda. Also she is married to a Muslim.
You do realise they have had people from political backgrounds countless number of times before. Sometimes even the spokesperson of the very issue that they are debating.
Who?
@@lobhasdhuri6566 Pallavi.
@@morningsun8387 which one is pallavi?
@@Xcvbn3355 lol you don't know anything about hinduism.
Shame on you jubilee for inviting inc spokesperson
for real??
The way Ali said that “not my problem, why take the blame for it” and how Kabir apologised shows two different kinds of persons- emotionally immature and mature and such people exist everywhere regardless of religion.
I agree. What Kabir was doing was NOT taking the blame. He was showing empathy. ❤
Real title should be "Can North Indian Hindus and North Indian Muslims See Eye To Eye?" Because this stuff would never happen in South India, here we all live together as INDIANS not muslims or Hindus first. and never against each other like these people are.
@@debodatta7398Yeah udaynidhi Stalin was spreading love when he was saying that sanatan dharm should be eradicated and the whole crowd was cheering for him 😂😂😂
You guys are so delusional and happy in your own imagination
NGL I am from Davangere, Karnataka and I am also not andhbhakt .
@@debodatta7398 yeah you are political obsessed fool, just blindly hating ,and your name represent bengali what an irony.
Yep dam thing. Ali and Pallavi was in a mission to prove that individual actions doesn't represents musim community. But on the next point they were blamming and judging whole BJP becuzz of some individuals actions
Pallavi said: “let’s be honest we’re all privileged but the people on the ground… etc” Achint literally just said his dad was assassinated when he was 15! Does that sound like privilege? Ali also disregarded Achint’s story by saying that things had been peaceful lately…
that's what islam does to you, rotten the brain cells
We don't k know if the dude is privileged tho. His father being a martyr doesn't tell us that he has no money?
@@potato6439 Kashmiri pandits built their new lives from scratch after exodus, sure pandit is a privileged casts doesn’t means all pandits are rich especially the ones who were removed from kashmir
@@musqitonebeats2129 I never said they were rich In the first place
@@musqitonebeats2129 You know, there was no caste in the Kashmir region, all people were called Pandits there since it was mainly the learned people of the society who used to go there, stay in isolation and do their research.
Pallavi's and Ali's behaviours were legit making my blood boil. Well Idc about them but I'm really happy with the others behaviour. They were so polite and kind and they were actually speaking facts. Lots of respect for them.
"they were actually speaking facts" lol
title is wrong "Can indian hindus and indian muslims see eye to eye?"
What about opinions of hindus in pakistan and bangladesh?
@@peak_911 this interview focused on india.
@@peak_911should be done I'd say.
I'm from Bangladesh and I'm seeing how Hindus are being discriminated against by the majority Muslims. the situation is even worse in Pakistan sadly
@@abhaysardar2275why don't they make for pakistan and bangladesh?
do you know condition of hindus of pakistan and bangladesh?
omg ru a kpop stan? i see sugaaa on ur pfp!
It would hve made sense if they had Hindus from Pakistan and Bangaldesh too. You would have got a holistic view.
How about Hindus from Everywhere else too? Why are you excluding all 200+ countries 😂
Pallavi was representing the hindu side just because she was born in that religion and not because she wanted to.This is not fair to put her up from hindus side.
seems she was representing Muslim side
She's hindu whether you like it or not
@@jobwesleycoxjr5103 ur weird
@@clarie8486 Weakest. Comeback. Ever.
@@jobwesleycoxjr5103 idc 😑😑
It was never a 3v3 convo to begin with but rather a 4v2
agree bro
@Byteminds-gd2je was seventh person inivisible?
@Byteminds-gd2je what?? there were 6 people only. did u watch the video first?
Agree
That Pallavi is from congress. Of course she is gonna speak against BJP and everything related to it. She is the worst candidate here
Pallavi mahn. She was pushing her thoughts onto others not presenting her views/points. I could see the chinmay dude getting nervous when he spoke after pallavi. I appreciate kabir and achint a lot for keeping their calm and presenting their points how they should, unlike pallavi. Great discussion!
She was being completely statistical. She wasn't letting others speak. She spoke with Ali when he dismissed Anchit's trauma. She said that a few people don't represent an entire community But then was questioning the whole hindu community when the ram mandir case was brought up. I think Kabir was the wisest And the most compassionate person in that room. There should have been more talks between him and Anchit.
@@bhakti8008 agreed!
She married a muslim guy i dnt think she is middle ground😑
A Hindu woman who married a Muslim, behaving More Muslim than Muslims
Yup at point it was kind of annoying. Some of her points were kind of correct but the way she was pushing her thoughts on other was just NO
As hindus, we don't own pallavi.
she is the spokeperson of congress, so what can you expect. Her name is pallavi sharma
I think Ali and Pallavi were kinda rude when achint was talking about his trauma. Achint experienced his father being assassinated first hand. I cant even imagine going through it.
Respect to kabir for giving his condolences and being apologetic even though he didnt have to be.
Pallavi was extremely radical !!
@@ashilyjustin4748 exactly
Pallavi was a terrible representation for the Hindu community, I’m sorry.
It's was unfair ,4 muslim representatives and only 2 hindus (ps- people like Kabir is a gem)
It was kind of insulting. I'm pretty sure he didn't need to be spoken for, yet they did anyways...
To be honest I don't think Pallavi was here from the Hindu side she was here from the anti-BJP side. More than she represented Hindus and their ideologies she criticized the govt for everything.
You realise the whole debate was organized by an arm of lef-media kabal? So this was obvious.
Exactly.. Bc uske ghar wale khatam hogae usko tolerate hone ka gyan pel rahi h... Desh bat gya do bar.. Abhi bhi Ashanti h....Kashmir ko alag krne k lie khade hojate h... Agar Muslim marega to poori community ek hojaegi.. Kashmiri pandit mara to bolta h ali humse kya matlab ... Ye to haal h ... Or unsab k bad bhi tolerate hone ka gyan de rhe h...
True
Yep
Someone married to muslim can't be hindu
Pallavi is not letting others talk. She loves the sound of her own voice
Vio
If she did let him speak then she would have realised how wrong it was
I bet her kids would be Muslims too.
Babri masjid is built on the ruins of our temple
@@dracarysgirl2048 yes.
8:57 there you go 4 muslims and 2 hindus
Shame on you Jubilee, bringing a anti-hindu politician to represent the Hindu community. It was just a forum to bash those 2 hindus & make them feel bad about their indentity. Anchit having the most traumatic experiences was shut down & belittled that's so messed up.
Exactly, my blood is actually boiling after seeing this video. All she said was fabricated and lies. Hate Jubilee for doing this
anti hindu? u pindus want to be discriminated soo bad.
@@felidaesaremoresuperiortha5855
Stfu you bigot go do your homework. This woman is an opposition politician who's job is to spread lies & hate for the majority community & tarnish the image of the country. Were you born yesterday? Don't you know how politics work.
@@stannisbaratheon5763 politics work? arent u still livin in ur moms house arguing with ppl.
Pallavi has the sirname 'Sharma' which is also a hindu sirname. But as she married a muslim and and has issues with the religion she was born in, she should change her sirname, to a muslim sirname. She's also a part of a very hypocrite political party here in India INC, which pays less attention to religious rights of the majority religious group here in Indian .
There's a imposter among us
1)Pallavi Sharma is from Congress she is a politician who is obviously anti bjp
2)She has given several anti-hindu statement before that and it was evident which side she supported on this debate
How is it fair to include her from the hindu side
Jubilee, or at least their Indian team, is a woke channel and they specifically chose these woke fellas to make a point. That's what they do.
So anti-bjp is anti-hindu? bhag bsdk.
@@ankershiv those two are seperate points. he did not mentioned "as" or "because"
Bhavna Jalalbisht
Not a single she ever made ever anti hindu statment, stop lying.
@@OkarinHououinKyouma ture af
I am a Kashmiri Pandit and it was saddening to see Pallavi making a mockery of Achint's pain just to state her point. I felt Kabir was most sensible amongst all of them. Ali was absolutely disrespectful to Achint.
Ali is typical hatefull Muslim around us, who refuse to take even prasaad bcoz its haraam in Islam.
No she did not make a mockery of achint's pain
@@arshan3217 sure she did
@@arshan3217 she did made fun of him.
@@manasraina3528 she didnt
I am Hindu 🕉️ but respect all religions 🤝 ☪️ ✝️ ☸️ ✡️ 🪯
I disrespect all religions, but Hinduism the most
@AmirbekSharipov-b5zFor what??
Kabir wants the demolishment of Babri to be acknowledged but as soon as a Kashmiri Pandit who has witnessed his father being assassinated speaks up about the demolshment of 350 < temples in Kashmir, Kabir is like "so we're keeping scores now?".
Sadly for a Hindu today, the middle ground is to forget the trauma and suffering their bloodline have experienced in the past just to not be judged and appear bigoted.
That’s not the full story. Hindus should ignore their past cause it’s shameful and it was caused by us. We wanted to break the mosque not them. We started riots didn’t we? We initiated so much violence and then complained when it came back to us. The suffering we put out came back, that’s the law of karma which you should know if you’re such a staunch Hindu but sadly people like you speak without putting much thought into it and just blame others. Look I don’t want to offend you with this and if I did I am so sorry and trust me when I say this, both Hindus and Muslims were at fault and we should leave it in the past as we try to dissolve conflicts which have stood for years and bringing up the past would be like adding fuel to the fire.
@@kingdom8029 then don't cry when the same karma destroys mosques also 😂
350< temples in Kashmir: can I please get a proper source?
@@achintbhat9187 Hello Achint. Please have my condolences for what had happened when you were younger; you underwent what nobody else on this Earth should have to experience in their lives. I appreciate that you chose to come on this set and speak your truth in front of hundreds of thousands of people watching this video. Thank you.
What Cartman from South Park said about Muslims was pretty accurate, he said that not all of em are dangerous but a few are and we can never know which are those “few”.
my heart aches to see people like Pallavi who have the ability to show empathy for one side yet not for the others. It is for people like her it becomes very hard for both the communities to coexist.
Becuase there’s a massive imbalance between the two sides . 70% of India is hindu, they are majority and the authority you cannot ‘both sides’ this issue
@@shsfehyr but majority of the world is Muslim, and they are the most radical and religious people ever.
80 +
I honestly don't think is possible for us to coexist...
@@shsfehyrjust because there are 70+ % hindus .. we hindus still exist, otherwise hindus would have been wiped out, just like what happened in literally ever islamic country
Pallavi has a political agenda to put forward here ( member of INC). I don't think someone with a political background should be allowed in a discussion like this.
Wow 4 muslims and 2 hindus great debate
Hindu or Muslim, Pallavi is the wrong pick for this video; listening is key to finding a middle ground.
i absolutely agree.
She made fair points, as did others. I don't clearly understand why did she/her words get under your skin. I am not Indian, but it seems this might have something to do with her being vocal of what's happening in India post-2014.
i mean, she stated false historical records & as soon as Achint mentioned the record of temples demolished in kashmir, she and the other guy were like “so we’re keeping records now?”
(Various materials have been found during excavation which suggest the presence of a Hindu structure beneath. Also, The Supreme Court noted that the Babri Masjid was not built on a vacant land and the excavated underneath structure was not Islamic in nature)
@@tejasvirana9923 The other guy did not say "so we're keeping records now?" He said "are we settling scores?" Settling score is an English expression which means entirely different thing than keeping records. Someone had done you wrong, and you are doing him wrong now in return is "settling scores".
On to your point of excavation: If there is a Mosque in place, how come you could excavate there. You must demolish it first to see if there is anything else underneath. Isn't it?
@@shoeb434 and obviously, everything in our history is noted so it is important that we mention the “scores”
the amount of times Hindus have been exploited is just depressing and I know that people from all religions live here peacefully now but it still hurts us because of all that our ancestors had to go through & YET WE ARE SUFFERING.
Ali and Pallavi, a little sympathy would go a long way.
Just thinking how Ali would have reacted if the situation was reversed.
Kabir is a sweetheart. He understands reality with sympathy
The way Ali reacted when Anchit pointed out that 350 or so temples were burnt.
I get it was a bit immature from Anchit's side because it kinda gave the vibe that he was downplaying atrocities committed on Muslims,but seriously was it even necessary?
The way Ali just sprang into that mode..Like have some empathy?
@@rt20089he’s a minority , in a hostile environment minorities adapt and act this way
@@shsfehyrso true. But is it justified? Zarah is also a minority, her demeanor seemed more mature in that moment, would you agree?
@@shsfehyr I'm sorry are you saying he was minority in this panel where 4 people were speaking for muslims
Quoting NYT?! Seriously that's the last thing you want to do while debating on Hindu-Muslim conflict.
India will not secular , if Muslims will majority in India becouse 92 percentage Muslim countries are Islamic not secular like india
Even before the independence
European newspapers like nyt and times have printed wrong and twisted images of India to reflect and expand the negative side
I'm a 12th class student and our politics ncert book qoutes and shows times and other European newspaper headlines
And they were always against india and anti asian
@@absurd3694 nytimes European kabse hogaya bhai. Acche se padhai Karo 12th mein.
@@dmat606 He meant the west, jyada oversmart mat ban
@@souvikbera3067 then he should have said the west. Europe and North America are clearly not the same. instead of giving a rude answer try to understand and learn from your mistake.
13:27 why she suddenly got angry on the fact that there was a mandir below the mosque.... But then she turned the conversation to the ram was born on that place.... Nobody says that Ram lalla was born on the exact same place but we say there was a mandir which was built there and after that babri masjid was built on top of that. And ASI have also provided enough evidence of that that's why court couldn't say anything now on this matter. Cause we have enough proof of that we had a mandir on that land and muslim must give us our mandir back.... But just like someone from the panel said " not my business, not my problem"
I would like to same thing "not my mosque, not my problem"
But that mosque wasn't used for many centuries then why people cry over for it now??
Politics that's why, they have internalised hatred for being unable to convert us after so many years, only nation standing as it did 5 thousand years ago.
As a hindu, i disapprove of whatever pallavi has said, It felt more like propaganda , And BTW they are discussing about BJP and not even 1 person is of BJPs ideology, thats what i hate about this interviews, They are just PROPAGANDA we get to hear everyday by left parties ,nothing else to learn
Pallavi is one of the spokesperson in Congress, what can we expect from her😂😂
BJP has a lot members from RSS. Are there is ample cases of BJP and RSS affiliated people being total degenerates.
@@Abdullah-mn6sw But then there are ample cases of Congress affiliated people being total degenrates, then why would you invite Pallavi considering the fact that she is INC spokesperson. This is hypocracy
@@kunalmandhare3144 I think you misunderstood me, I should have put a question mark. I wanted to say that even if someone is related to BJP or Congress that doesn't necessarily mean they fit into a perfect box of ideology. For the record I agree that bringing a political rep to such a discussion was wrong.
@@Abdullah-mn6sw yes they may or may not fit into that ideology. In fact how you interpret a particular ideology is also subjective. We all know Atal bihari vajpayee ji, Gopinath Munde and Pramod Mahajan were also pro hindutva but they interpreted it differently than Advani. So, calling all of BJP and all of congress degenerates is naive. And yes, my point was exactly limited to do not bring people from political outfits to such discussions, try and bring people with neutral views as well as people truly represent their lobbies (in this case religion).
yo pallavi is the reason why inc should be banned from politics
I think people like Pallavi are the reason why Congress is so weak and will never win. I mean.... she's still living in her own dream land. She had to wake up and smell the coffee. The hindus have woken up and are demanding equal treatment. And ignoring the reasons for the rise of hindutva will just make things harder for INC.
@@baghyasrib6929 Facts
😂😂😂
rehne do ..only brown sahebs are voting that party
Facts
Absolutely disgusting, how the Kashmiri pandit was shut down just for saying the truth, “are we settling scores ?”, no remorse, for the genocide of Kashmiri pandits,the thousands of temples destroyed and mosques built over.
What was the point of his comment if not settling scores? His detractors said those things happened and were terrible. They also pointed out that the destruction of temples doesn't justify the destruction of masjids. Both are bad and should stop.
@@writerchick94 If a mosque was built on a destoryed temple, it should be returned to a temple.
Same hindus did with Sikhs in Delhi in 1984..
@@itr8247 He wasn't referring to that masjid. He was referring to temples in Kashmir. I'm also not sure why Muslims of today should suffer because of something Muslims of the past did (i.e. building a masjid on top of a temple). There is a middle ground that doesn't result in continued suffering on either side. To do otherwise is just settling scores.
@@writerchick94
Hindus are not asking for every destroyed temple to be returned
They are asking only 3 temples tk be returned.
Having mosque on that site is also illegal in Islam.
wtf is that title? we do see eye to eye.
Loved the debate among 4 Muslims and 2 Hindus.
True .
One of Hindu being affected by genocide while all Muslims being free from it .
Guess what who’s in danger .
Haha my point exactly 💯
don't say that lmfao most hindus think like the girl, but we are more quiet while BJP stans are crazy loud.
But in reality 3/4 Hindus are sickular (pseudo sickularism)
Exactly what I was thinking.
His calm shows how strong kashmiri pandits are ... hats off to him!
hahah pandits are less than 2% of kashmiri population. 97+%. of kashmir valley is muslim and it is highly anti india. ur million troops cant even keep pandits or biharis safe in kashmir from kashmiri locals
But I don’t think being just strong is enough...they've faced enough ..Taking action is what we all need
Those who still talk and think that it's absurd to blame an entire community for Islamic Jihadi attacks and genocides, I recommend those people to take some time to read Quran & Hadees and then you'll know why this special peaceful community does it. I know it might be sounding communal to those delusional secular or liberal people, but I hope for you guys to at least know the exact reason behind their actions. For a sneak peak of sorts, check what Kafir and Mushriq means
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Because his calmness his parent died. Because of his calmness minorities are dying. You can't show calmness front of extremest and terrorists 😂
Me being a kashmiri pandit i know fully well what achint has been through
Seeing ur family getting killed ,houses getting burned nd us running away from our mother land for the fear of our lives.
And just watching people like pallavi being so ignorant about these facts and the other girl literally being “scared” of us makes me feel pity for their mindset.
Do you know how many Muslims of Jammu were murdered in 1947? Jammu was ethnically cleansed from it's Muslim population. I have sympathy for the Kashmiri Pandits for what they have suffered after the 90's but Muslims of Jammu also suffered the same fate in 1947.
Even in the comments section you guys fight...so hopeless
why is the girl being scared of voicing her opinions bother u so much??? she has a genuine reason to be scared.... it would be ignorant on YOUR part if u disagree with the fact that muslim woman have the complete freedom of speech and opinion in modern day india where majority are hindus
I knew from the very start Hindus won't support each other and have different thoughts but looking at pallavi . Shows her hypocrisy
@@Lyallpuriya muslims never have sympathy for hindus , you clearly talk about ummah(islamic brotherhood) that means you will favour muslim even if he is the oppresor
6:23 “ I am the representative for myself “ dude, you are literally called here to represent that religion smh.
As a pakistani muslim, its so infuriating to see pallavi and ali's insesnitive reaction to achint's loss. My muslim brothers and sisters can reassure u, we must not be represented by such an insensitive individual. Prayers go out to achint and his family.
You probably earn money from arabs
Do you people even have heart ohhh I am glad
@@kaizsionbrat9899 xd
@@AN-fv2zv cause it's unbelievable sometimes
@@kaizsionbrat9899 i also thought the same 😂. they may say whatver they want, but i dont believe them
With all due respect, Pallavi took away more from the conversation than she gave. Her representation could have been so much better in terms of communication, but all she did was speak more than the Muslims themselves about them and dismiss Achint's gruesome side of history. I was shocked to find her trying to state facts that everyone was already painfully aware of and sideline some genuine problems Hindus face. She could have been the perfect middle ground but chose not to. Kabir and Zarah were phenomenal with their words. I wish we got to hear more from Achint.
This comment has been gaining some attention, so an update:
I have come to the realization that Pallavi is a member of a political party. Middle Ground is a conversation for laymen to have since politicians will obviously have biases, so I hope Jubilee avoids that in the future. Having said that, let's not bash anyone for their personal choices or hate against an ideology. Extremism results in chaos. Middle Ground is for the viewers to have a deeper understanding of social and economic issues as well, and if you refuse to understand the 'other side', you are refusing to bring the very change you want to see. I have grown as a person watching these videos, and I am sure that if you broaden your perspective, you will too. Thank you :)
What you're seeing with Pallavi is a classic case of overcompensation. She isn't trying to please or win favours from the other side. In the beginning of the video she talked about how her family was anti-Muslim and still won't even talk to her husband. When you are surrounded by so much negativity, you feel compelled to neutralise all that negativity and end up overcompensating with positive sympathy and empathy. The solution to that is not muting people like Pallavi but to make sure that children are being brought up in neutral environments.
If Pallavi's husband is also extremely pro-Muslim, I wouldn't be surprised if their children also continue the cycle by being anti-Muslim.
@@silverkittyzen Honestly it kinda feels like Jubilee will usually have one of these sorts of people in the group who is more favorable to the other group's point of view than their own. They also had someone like that in the Israel-Palestine episode and the Police-BLM Activist episode
I think it makes for an interesting dialogue and perspective, but I do think that it sorta unevens the numbers when these people tend to be in the minority compared to their group overall. Could be helped imo by having 4 people on each side instead of 3
Ughh she was so annoying!
@@KarthikAyyalasomayajula I completely agree with this! I know Jubilee is very accepting and takes particular care in choosing people, but sometimes it ends up in one side dominating the other(as in this case). I hope the future videos include this, because the middle ground is a wonderful outlet for me and many others and it would be a shame to not see even participation.
@@KarthikAyyalasomayajula I know it is likely to happen but I don't believe Jubilee does it on purpose. I don't think they evaluate people's leanings or opinions before being shortlisted. They only look for people who identify with a certain label. The criteria that would concern them more would be English speaking ability, the ability to express themselves clearly, etc. They don't want people to be aware of the prompts beforehand. Like I said, anti-Muslim mentality is not uncommon among Hindu households so it is not uncommon to find people who have very pro-Muslim views like her. Moreover, Hindus who strongly adhere to their religion while being anti-Muslim are usually older people or people who are uneducated or can't speak English very well.
Even my crush dint ignore me as much as they ignored the points of Anchit (Kashmiri Pandit) who has practicle experience of how bad things can go if you don't keep it in control to this other people whos idea of India is by reading some headlines of news paper which aren't even Indian. Says a lot.
Bro had to sneak in his crush 💀
@Chris P Bacon why 😂
What were his points? That justification of Ram Mandir bc Temples were destroyed in the past? Live in the present, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
@@krishrao4348 Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.
@@krishrao4348 so you don't live in past ??
The hindus here haven't read hindu philosophies and history. The muslims here also haven't read Muslim philosophies and history. Fair debate..👍 😂😂😂
basically debate is Between
Hindu - Anchit and chinmay
Muslim - Pallavi, ali, sarah and kabir.
I don't know how come pallavi is considered muslim😂😂
If I am a Muslim and I vote for bjp, I become a Hindu? What is this logic 🤯🤯
@@Redwater352where did that come from?
@@rituarya9187 she is already married to a muslim guy...
@@Redwater352 many hindus vote congress
By that logic are they muslims ? No
Pallavi is well known advocate
She married to muslim guy
If you read quran, muslim guy is not allowed to marry non muslim or kafir
She is muslim
Plz read history, and compare it to present
A very one-sided discussion imo. Standing up for Muslims is considered progressive and empathetic, while stating facts about atrocities against Hindus is considered fascist and regressive.
True representation of today’s “woke” culture. Especially the Pallavi chick is so disappointing to watch
"atrocities against hindus" such as?
@@ArmanAlam-il7fw the Kashmir ethnic cleansing, the mopla massacre, persecution in Pakistan and Bangladesh
@@darkpanda239 What ABT lynchings in india and there is no current genocide of Hindus in Pakistan or Bangladesh or kadhmir
@Rakshita Singh Bruhhhhh do you know That in Bangladesd those goons are arrested .... millions of Hindus live in gulf muslim countries that are safe there
@@sobhi1423 Why is gulf always bought into discussion? Millions of Hindus over there are workers, not citizens.
Pallavi reduced the takeaway from this conversation. The idea of Middle Ground is to have contrasting points of view whereas hers was “friendly fire” within the context of the discussion. Also Jubilee totally skipped over what the Kashmiri Pandit genocide was, sticking to a damn bland Wikipedia entry describing the community.
Jubilee is super woke. If that had of been Muslims being genoicided you can bet there would have been a whole episode discussing it. Unless of course it happened in China.
@@poocrayon4588 lmao nope. like there is nothing being said in china, there is nothing being said in other places where muslims have died on a large scale, such as israel
@@rezamohammed9778 I think you mean Palestine
Jammu genocide was a hundred thousand times worse and the worst part is indian gov doesn't want anyone to know about it
@@rezamohammed9778 The whole point was they wouldn't say it against China. Only little countries who they feel free to talk about. China is totally different, don't act like Palenstine doesn't and hasn't had controlling forces and many of it's own citizens who want the total destruction of Israel. Hamas ring a bell?
A INC spokesperson Pallavi, converted muslim giving her secularism. 😂
I ain't really looking forward to see more content based in Indian Demographics because media tends to bring wrong and privileged people as representative and that affects and changes the whole narrative.
I couldn't care less about Pallavi's argument as I knew her background and she shouldn't really be considered as a representative. I wanted more of Achint's argument as he is a victim of the divide and we need more people like him in the discussion.
So you also would've like to have a muslim who was a victim of hindu extremism?
@@amritdhillon5062 yeah why not.
@@amritdhillon5062 would have loved to see both sides
Agreed 💯. I wish they would’ve let Anchit speak more since he was a victim of the Hindu-Muslim divide. Having a Muslim victim of Hindu extremism would have been too so we could hear both sides.
Those who still talk and think that it's absurd to blame an entire community for Islamic Jihadi attacks and genocides, I recommend those people to take some time to read Quran & Hadees and then you'll know why this special peaceful community does it. I know it might be sounding communal to those delusional secular or liberal people, but I hope for you guys to at least know the exact reason behind their actions. For a sneak peak of sorts, check what Kafir and Mushriq means
How is it that only one person said "I'm sorry for ur loss" and the way ali and pallavi reacted to the situation just threw me off, achint wasn't even blaming the whole community for the loss and by saying sorry for his loss, Kabir wasn't taking responsibility he was just being respectful
I just wish Pallavi weren't there in this discussion.
We could have had more of the rest of them.
Exactly ..... the type which disowns and insults her own sect... did the opposite team said anything abt the opposition govt or hebnious things of the past??
@@mukool7477 She's right though? Everything she said was right. Others just didn't speak out like she was willing to and there's always part of it that are cut out. Graham Stephan a youtber went on one of these episodes and he explained that alot of the talk doesn't make it into the final cut so maybe there's a reason as to why her points made it
@@denzilrodrigues3316 she is clearly wrong. First of all, she is not a hindu. Second she told a guy who lost his father that he was same as his killers. Now, i am in full support of france and chinese govt on the issue against uighurs.
@@t-rexkalita1379 I agree I didn't like when she compared him to the killers. And about her not being a hindu... she identifies as one so bit of a sticky one there. Why do you think she isn't a hindu? just curious. Could be that she still carries out hindu practsies and belives in the hindu faith but her marriage has made her see the other side so she shares a different view from other Hindus?
@@mukool7477 Mate I literally said I don't agree with her on that. I've been in India myself when the CAA was passed and the government shut down the entire city cutting our electricity and Internet supply. I've heard of churches being burnt and Christians being discriminated and assaulted in India all my life. I already know what it is
I thought this is a neutral platform. But when i came to the video muslim is talking about muslim. And so called hindus is also talking about muslim. 😢
I,as a hindu consider that the woman is extremely incorrect about the evidence issue as their has been more than enough evidence and social issues for the area to be Ram Mandir.
Pallavi and Ali are a bit insensitive about Anchit’s history. But Pallavi might as well have been on the muslim side.
on the muslim side lol
is that the non-indian side?
She is a Inc spokesperson apparently, what is she even doing here ?!
I think she already got converted to Islam for marrying her husband.
@@cjk9988 Doing what the INC has always tried to do. Make sure Tata-Ambanis and the RSS stays under control.
@@fidelsebastian2097 No. Indians can be Muslims.
The debate has 4 Muslims and 2 Hindus.
Pallavi and Ali are one hell of a PoS.
They want Anchit's personal loss to blamed on Anchit's own destiny. While Ali's own community want responsibility from Hindus. Lol.
It's just so easy to expose hypocrisy
-j sai deepak
Ya the no. game made me unsubscribe them and I reported the video as well
Agreed
Don't worry, pyare anon. 2025 Ab Dur nahi
@@ojasgarg5553 reported for what 😂😂😂💀💀
It's 2 Hindus v/s 4 muslims. Pallavi is muslim by marriage. Not a fair battle ground.