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00:00 Intro
00:36 Growing up, I was taught to stay away from the other side
03:19 Someone I know has died because of this conflict
08:43 The government has created more divide between Hindus and Muslims
15:11 Hindus and Muslims can coexist peacefully in India
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"I'm not afraid of Muslims,
I'm not Afraid of Britishers,
I'm afraid of Hindus against Hinduism"
-Veer Savarkar 🙏🏻
He was afraid of britishers first of all, he wrote multiple maafinamas, second he did coalition with Muslim league, third he is afraid of Hindus against extremism of hinduism(hindutva)
this is a beautiful quote that shows how people go against their own religion just to be hateful !!!
@@sage.eclipse not to be hateful, to show we are not hateful (it's deep, see if you it)
@@sage.eclipse
Muslim (lslam) dangerous for humanity.
🇲🇲Muslim vs Buddhist
🇨🇳Muslim vs atheist
🇮🇱Muslim vs Jews
🇮🇳Muslim vs Hindu
🇮🇶Muslim vs Christian
🇮🇷Shia vs Sunni
Peaceful community ❤
@@AshishBabar84 true. also known as virtue signalling, giving an illusion of being selfless by all means or logic.
“None of my business. Not my problem.”
The most insensitive thing a person can say sitting in front of a victim.
Achint, no words for you loss. You and your family is a victim of hatred of Kashmiri muslims on Kashmiri Hindus. This shouldn’t have happened. It is the combined hatred of one community on another that made this happen, it is not one person’s doing.
The irony is that this attitude of 'not my problem', from people on both sides, is the problem.
Not my problem is a problem.
@@thecrimsondragon9744 It's the muslim community that says that
Right, I understood the idea he was trying to present but it simply wasn't the time or the way of doing it.
@@raghavnamasivayam5098 youre the problem. youre the reason we are having these discussions because youre so stuck up in the divide and wanting to remove islam from India. of course its not only muslims who say its not my problem, its hindus too, its all people who are too insensitive and heartless to care whether thats in the irish english violence etc etc.
@@raghavnamasivayam5098 just a single person doesn't represent the entire community..apart from Kashmir the rest of India is peacefully coexisting with each other.the problem is in the kashmir not in the faith of Muslims.the govt and media should focus where we are lacking in making kashmir more peaceful rather than blaming the whole muslim community for what is happening there or have happened
"hum toh majority hai" no girl you are no longer a part of the majority.
May you find peace in the fridge.
I have problem with people in society who have muslim names but practice hinduism and also hindu names and practices islam and some people do the both. 😅what should we name them?
It was never a 3v3 convo to begin with but rather a 4v2
It was 4v3. See first then comment
agree bro
@@Byteminds-gd2je was seventh person inivisible?
@@Byteminds-gd2je what?? there were 6 people only. did u watch the video first?
Agree
It's absolutely disgusting of Jubilee to include Pallavi on the programme because she is Pallavi Sharma, an Indian National Congress spokesperson. It is highly inappropriate to include politicians on a discussion between people who are supposed to be laymen.
Also she is so condescending
Does that discredit her as a strong Hindu woman who advocates her believes so promisingly?
@@rhythmdew8928 Yes, because she came with an agenda, her political agenda and not as an individual representing Hindu faith and beliefs. This is part of narrative building right here.
@@rhythmdew8928 Yeah she was consistently saying that the divide has happened after 2014 for her all the bad things has happened after 2014 I was also thinking why she is always targetting the government now I get it
@@ShivamSingh-cz8th it's absolutely possible for one's personal beliefs to line up with their political beliefs. If she think the 2014 govt did something wrong, she's allowed to say it. If you don't agree with her, that's allowed too. My point is the other comments just blatantly tagged her a muslim which I think is not fair!
The way they were dealing with that man’s trauma makes me real mad as a Black person. What if a white person did that to them about racism? They’d be mad pressed, it makes my blood boil.
Welcome to India. And , if we retaliate we r the oppressors. This is what a hindu faces when he/she talks about their suffering. Even our community's genocide is not reported .
Black thinks that they were the most persecuted and exploited race in world ,once they real about the history of Indian Hindus ,their sufferings,their sacrifices ,their persecution ,the islamic invasion and the the cherry on the top the British Colony for more than 200 years the blood will boil at more than Sun 🌡️ temperature ,
The most persecuted race in the world are HINDUS 😔😥🙏🏻 ,Still we are tolerant towards all the people ,still they target uss ,
@@divyanshsinha1045 bro hindu isn't a race
@@divyanshsinha1045 divyansh this isn't oppression olympics we have all been exploited in terrible ways
@@divyanshsinha1045 bruhhhhhh didn't British killed millions of Indians regardless of there religion
The way Ali said that “not my problem, why take the blame for it” and how Kabir apologised shows two different kinds of persons- emotionally immature and mature and such people exist everywhere regardless of religion.
I agree. What Kabir was doing was NOT taking the blame. He was showing empathy. ❤
Real title should be "Can North Indian Hindus and North Indian Muslims See Eye To Eye?" Because this stuff would never happen in South India, here we all live together as INDIANS not muslims or Hindus first. and never against each other like these people are.
@@debodatta7398Yeah udaynidhi Stalin was spreading love when he was saying that sanatan dharm should be eradicated and the whole crowd was cheering for him 😂😂😂
You guys are so delusional and happy in your own imagination
NGL I am from Davangere, Karnataka and I am also not andhbhakt .
@@debodatta7398 yeah you are political obsessed fool, just blindly hating ,and your name represent bengali what an irony.
Yep dam thing. Ali and Pallavi was in a mission to prove that individual actions doesn't represents musim community. But on the next point they were blamming and judging whole BJP becuzz of some individuals actions
Muslim in minority:- democracy.
Muslim in majority:-
Sharia law.
Why do hindus flock to nations with sharia law then???
what do u know about Sharia law ?
I hope u have read about it in the Qur'an? because u have already commented on it !!
@@kaise_ho_dost_mere most hindus in pakistan wiped by sharia people.
What do you know about sharia law?
@@kaise_ho_dost_mere I didn’t reply to you fam tf!!!
The way they sidelined achint's trauma is so sad.
I hated how they were all just silent when they came to sit down. It's one thing to be tongue tied but how did NOBODY even say 'I am sorry for your loss'? And when Kabir eventually said it he was criticised! Saying 'I am sorry for your loss' is NOT the same as taking blame!!! It's a way of expressing sympathy!!!!
When Ali said 'Not my business, not my problem' I wanted to kick him below the belt.
This is what happens with Hindus & still Other side Is projected as PERPETUAL VICTIM
@@silverkittyzen leave I use to trust jubilee but now I understood its all Propaganda
It was awkward and no one knew who should speak first. I think they did well. Could have been much better but at least they didn't completely ignore it.
@@silverkittyzen how? he said it as a formal apology on behalf of the community. they all should’ve said im sorry for your loss, but at the same time, none of them are to blame for the death. meanwhile, some of the other people were denying the facts and sidelining the experiences of muslims such as the sacrifice. if you are fearful of death when it comes to tradition, there is clearly something really wrong. so please don’t criticize the muslims without critizing the hindus for denying that muslims face discrimination. i agree with you that the trauma is real, but you have to look at everything from a broad sense
Ali at the starting of the video: "Hindus got killed by muslims, so what? I don't care, not my problem!"
Ali minutes later: "yes muslims are being killed, and I blame the government for it."
Pallabi throughout the discussion: " I will personally take offense on behalf of all the muslims, and you can not stop me!"
Pallavi was only doing this all cause she wants to convey to others how government is dividing both castes. It's all political, which I think should not be the correct topic to talk about here. Since she came to discuss about Hindus and Muslims she should have talked about that and not basically showing her opinion that everyone went downhill SINCE 2014.
It's not his fault though, it is however the governments job to stop both people from doing that from one another.
That's Muslim for ya
@Alexios I Komnenos they can, they just brown. We brown people treat each other like crap. If it isn't someone else it's within ourselves based on what caste you're in or which region you're from. That's why our situation is so bad. Look at how Europeans treated an invasion into Ukraine.
@@kh-fk3ko I don't think you should talk on a topic if you don't have the correct info about it. Its literally only the Hindus and Government's fault. They literally torture the muslims bro, the muslims never did anything to them.
basically debate is Between
Hindu - Anchit and chinmay
Muslim - Pallavi, ali, sarah and kabir.
I don't know how come pallavi is considered muslim😂😂
If I am a Muslim and I vote for bjp, I become a Hindu? What is this logic 🤯🤯
@@Redwater352where did that come from?
@@rituarya9187 she is already married to a muslim guy...
@@Redwater352 many hindus vote congress
By that logic are they muslims ? No
Pallavi is well known advocate
She married to muslim guy
If you read quran, muslim guy is not allowed to marry non muslim or kafir
She is muslim
Plz read history, and compare it to present
I am feeling sad that my name is Pallavi after seeing this...this lady is showing empathy to one community but can't show the same to a person who lost his father...to me she did not represent hindu community...she seemed more hinduphobic and pro muslim.. moreover she is married to a Muslim then how can she be a part of this when it clearly shows she is pro muslim and ditched even her parents out of this bias...on the other hand Kabir seemed a real nice and genuine person here...we need more people like him ...throw this pallavi and Ali out of the discussion
The true nature of the teachings show an affect on their mentality and shows who actually is the intolerant one , it is clear that pallavi ( not you ) is ready to go to lengths in order to appease the minority community, she's an average product of ncert education and communist authors, unfortunately average person in Delhi/southern states share the same idea or siblings of the same idea as hers
She is muslim. As she merried to a muslim so according to Islam she converted.
I can feel ur pain girl😂😂
She is a Hindu, why throw her out? I don’t understand.
@@rituarya9187how foolish you are you didn't know what muslims do 😂😂
"Not my problem"
Ok that was insensitive as fck
Precisely why there was no point of this video.
@@aaryakulkarni2222 There were other people in the vide too??
But his perspective is different right? If in UP mob linching is happened. Then its totally wrong. But I'm as a hindu, i don't feel responsible becuase i haven't even do pr think such thing justifiable. But why should i explain to society? Yes that is insensitive to tell this in front of someone who affected due to this. That is indeed. But guy's perspective is also valid.
@@aarusong16 hopefully you realize I never said anything against his overall perspective. I'm referring to a specific thing he said.
However, since you went further, I'd have to say I disagree with where people think they have no responsibility to be part of a positive difference, especially if they belong to a group that throughout history has been a source of violence. It's honorable when someone chooses to be a part of changing that. Looking the other way, in a sense, makes you a part of the problem does it not?
As far as him saying he isn't a part of the hate, yeah I get that.
But what he said, what I specifically mentioned, was a pretty messed up thing to say regardless
yes!! we can easily dodge any question saying that
Secularism summarized in India...
Entire Hindus are responsible for Babri Masjid Demolition...
But when we talk about 450+ temples demolished in Kashmir we are setting scores...
@Vibhor Srivastava nonsense the literally president is connected to a genocide
She never said entire hindu community was responsible for it, she just said one wrongdoing cannot justify other. Talking about secularism, we should be secular in our thoughts if we want to coexist. There is nothing wrong in being secular.
bruhh itna sach nahi bolna tha !! XD
@@maazahmad4974 secularism in Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan?
Kasmir is not hindu muslim issue you andhbhakt.. It's more separatist and border issues
Debate is happening between:- 2 Hindus , 3 converted Muslims & One is going to be converted soon.... 💀
Insallah ❤❤
@@Aarif857 beshak bhaijaan JAI MAHAKAL...
Andh bhakt spotted
@@Ahmed-vw3iw arre Pappu supporter spotted...
(Ek bhi baat galat likhi ho to bata..)
Le jao bhai hme aise log chahiye bhi nahi 😂😂we reject her from our society @@Aarif857
I am a Kashmiri Pandit and my mother personally knows Achint and his family. She also immediately called her friend (Achint's sister) as soon as she saw this. The acount that Achint has given is NOTHING compared to how horrifyingly his father was assassinated. He was tortured the entire night (with cigarette butts etc.), his house was surrounded by Islamic terrorists and his father was later found in a dry well the next day. He was so young when this happened and my mother recalled everything as soon as she heard what I was watching!
I am absolutely shattered by how some people did not let him talk about his viewpoints. This Middle Ground video represents the political situation of the country very well nowadays and how absolutely DIFFICULT it has become to express viewpoints and even state facts.
At the same time, I am nothing but PROUD of Achint and the way he spoke. He was an absolute gentleman, so soft spoken and my heart cries for him because he was surrounded with such insensitive people. THIS IS EXACTLY what infuriates Kashmiri Pandits in this country. I am glad we still take our space, even though exactly like some people here would not want us to do that.
Thank you for sharing his story
Saddening
This comment should be pinned.
more power to all kashmiri pandits out there❤🌹
Thank you so so much for sharing his story and it doesn't mean a lot but I want to apologise for the behaviour and reactions to him sharing some of it. My heart goes out to him and his family.
inviting a politician to talk about political issue , sums up the credibility of this channel
like she is just a wannabe liberal
I am literally shocked, just found out she is a spokesperson of the INC, no wonder
who..? was a politician
@@12pack pallavi
@@sameulroy2757 lol wtf no doubt now i understand why she is inclined
As a hindu, i'd love to be friends with Kabir and Anchit! If people were more like them, we'd have such a happy nation. Love to both communities
Anchit spoken very well
then get ready to be in a fridge
Real title should be "Can North Indian Hindus and North Indian Muslims See Eye To Eye?" Because this stuff would never happen in South India, here we all live together as INDIANS not muslims or Hindus first. and never against each other like these people are.
you are a bong and you are saying you are from south. Waste bengal banega bangla desh.@@debodatta7398
Kesi ho
Pallavi is basically part of the muslim community, I don't think that there was a fair representation for hate crimes with Achint being the only one who had the trauma, because it would have been insightful to see their opinions more.
exactly
But she's saying what should be said
Real title should be "Can North Indian Hindus and North Indian Muslims See Eye To Eye?" Because this stuff would never happen in South India, here we all live together as INDIANS not muslims or Hindus first. and never against each other like these people are.
@@amitgirhe5984 Real title should be "Can North Indian Hindus and North Indian Muslims See Eye To Eye?" Because this stuff would never happen in South India, here we all live together as INDIANS not muslims or Hindus first. and never against each other like these people are.
@@shelovesrealmadridwell no
I am impressed with Achint's patience and Kabir's patience. Especially Achint considering his past.
agreed, much respect to them both
Lol what past? He’s lying to his teeth. Kashmiri conflict is solely political not religious. More than 80,000 Kashmiri muslims have been killed by Indian military since 1990s while only 89 Kashmiri Hindus were killed by militants mostly for being associated with Indian state and at the same time more than 3000 Kashmiri muslims were killed by same militant group for working for india
@@RatherA source?
@@RatherA you can clear your beliefs by watching videos about kashmiri pandits gen*cide
@@RatherA why would he lie? And what source do you have before you came here crying?
as a Muslim myself, the way Ali approached some of the questions with a lack of empathy was so disappointing especially after Kabir was acknowledging Achint's loss. Being sorry for someone's loss does not mean they're taking responsibility, just showing respect
Dude said “As a part of the Muslim community I am sorry for ur loss” like bro is acting as if the Muslim community is responsible and not some crazy individual
@Rakshita Singh ok and regular people in America commit murders that are all Christian but no one says “I apologize on behalf of the Christian community.” Just because some psycho claims to be Muslim and kills doesn’t mean the community is responsible. Ali is 100% right and the most sensible on this casting. I do agree that maybe he could have showed a little more empathy but his logic was better than everyone elses
@@2ksnipa355 this!!
@@2ksnipa355 well Achint's father was killed just because he was NOT a muslim ...and whoever killed him was perpetrating the crime on the basis of religion so when the crime is happening on the basis of religion then why not apology should happen on the same basis...and he said as a muslim he was sorry he didn't say i am apologizing on behalf of the whole islamic population.
That’s true Ali did sound harsh
Seriously jubilee? You had to bring pallavi to represent hindu here?
Pov important when they have experienced both way.
@@rashmichaudhary4816 but she's not representing both the religions
she married muslim..automatically she is brainwashed@@rashmichaudhary4816
@@rashmichaudhary4816inc ki spock person he wo😂
I'm sorry but Pallavi was so loud she drowned out the actual debate. She showed empathy to the other side yet there was a lack of it towards her own? Doesn't that make this debate futile and not equal?
I am not even hindu and can clearly see that Pallavi isnt deep in to hinduism, she is clearly fond of her husband's side(islam). Both Pallavi and Ali were obnoxious in the way they attack people in the group that doesnt go with what they believe in. The both of the them has potrayed a bully mentality in my opinion.
you're spot on
On the other hand, Kabir won hearts.
@@pratikb8131 absolutely not...he went onto say "are we settling scores right now?"
100%
@@captainlevi7188 right like the lack of empathy,kashmiri pandit issue is being used as anti muslim propaganda by the Government but saying that to a victim
If Achint had been a Muslim and his family were the victims of the assassination, would Ali still have said “it’s not my problem!”? We are so used to wanting to see one community as being victimised that when perpetrators come from that community we lose all balance and objectivity. I lost interest in this discussion when Achint’s lived experiences were completely dismissed and turned into something else and diverted by attention seeking Pallavi
I think what he meant 2 say was u can't "expect" another Muslim to apologise for what another has done. So he didn't have to apologise but out of respect he should have gave his condolences. As for that politician, this is why some of jubilees videos r crap. Why would u bring a politician to a middle ground talk
Well he was right that all Muslims should not take blame for this but yes, he also sounds rude to me.
If anyone is facing discrimination, violence, we should all raise our voice. It's inhumanity to say "that's not my problem"!!!
If anyone is taking about pakistani pandits, that doesn't mean he hate Muslims or blaming indian muslim for it.
@Khartikeyen Satheraman what r u talking about
Apologising and being apologetic are 2 different aspects. Feeling apologetic does not mean that you directly caused a problem but you feel remorse and shame for what happened to the other person. I find it strange when Pallavi started discussing about how Hindus should apologise or feel remorse for Mosques being burnt. Why should a Hindu who has not caused a Mosque to burn be made to feel apologetic?
The rules change when it’s the other way round isn’t it? Double standards much 🤷♀️
A middle ground can only ever be attained when a community is objective and is able to introspect within rather than solely celebrating victimhood. If someone from your community makes a mistake or commits a crime in the name of the religion that is wrong and that action would have ruined someone’s life so yes be apologetic about it and condemn what that person from your community did. That is the mature, objective and truly unbiased way to deal with sensitivity.
@@myas-3995 bang on!
The way pallavi was laughing, when chinmay was expressing his thoughts(12:00) is so crazy!
It's not about the religion or a caste but about the way you behave.
Real
whenever pallavi starts talking i just start laughing💀
her voice irritates me whenerver I listern😭
Real title should be "Can North Indian Hindus and North Indian Muslims See Eye To Eye?" Because this stuff would never happen in South India, here we all live together as INDIANS not muslims or Hindus first. and never against each other like these people are.
That's what I like about South @@debodatta7398
@@debodatta7398 Ever heard of Moplah masscre? If not then do some research
Why
Zaarah is right about it being easy to talk about these issues in a safe space like this with a group of seemingly upper class well educated lot. Doing so in the real world is more complicated.
a whole lot more. it's actually so deeply ingrained in the minds that people don't wanna even consider that they're wrong.
people like my parents-
_sigh_
It's only complicated if you make it such. For instance, I'm an atheist and don't care who knows it. I refuse to be judged or let someone try and shame me for it.
she barely talked-
It's not easy having such conversation in a normal setting with your friends as anyone can turn hostile very soon
@@Zdaren dude, they're speaking about their culture in another country. They're gonna have accents. Deal with it smh
Honestly Achint and Kabir are the only two people who are actually having a proper conversation. The others speak irl as if they were on twitter
Can't people start to protest to have huge worlds best hospital with huge modern equipments in ayodya where people are fighting have ram mandir or mosque...bro we are going to madir or mosque to prey for health can't we make that holy land thats claimed by both hindus and muslim be life saving place to both religions and create employment.
@@studyhard7539jihad and mujahid are not Hindu concepts my friend..if they are Willing to start it, we are going to end it
@@VeganSanatani
let's see who gonna win in the upcoming battle
@@explorer063 we have already won..
Look at the election results
Real title should be "Can North Indian Hindus and North Indian Muslims See Eye To Eye?" Because this stuff would never happen in South India, here we all live together as INDIANS not muslims or Hindus first. and never against each other like these people are.
Pallavi is concerned about her father who is not talking to her because she made her choice and there is achint who will never see his father and they never had any choice in short pallavi knows drama and achint knows reality
Of course you're going to call a woman dramatic lol
@@777ysl6this has nothing to do with gender.
So basically there are 4 Muslims vs 1 Hindu and an oppressed person in that debate.
And he was enough for them
A very one-sided discussion imo. Standing up for Muslims is considered progressive and empathetic, while stating facts about atrocities against Hindus is considered fascist and regressive.
True representation of today’s “woke” culture. Especially the Pallavi chick is so disappointing to watch
"atrocities against hindus" such as?
@@ArmanAlam-il7fw the Kashmir ethnic cleansing, the mopla massacre, persecution in Pakistan and Bangladesh
@@darkpanda239 What ABT lynchings in india and there is no current genocide of Hindus in Pakistan or Bangladesh or kadhmir
@Rakshita Singh Bruhhhhh do you know That in Bangladesd those goons are arrested .... millions of Hindus live in gulf muslim countries that are safe there
@@sobhi1423 Why is gulf always bought into discussion? Millions of Hindus over there are workers, not citizens.
Maybe I sound crazy but I wish these were even longer. Like 45mins to an hour. This is hands down my favorite series on here to watch. It’s really deep and informative. I’m hooked.
Fr like other videos have 6-7 questions and this had only 4. Although the discussions were more elaborate and detailed. Otherwise there are too many cuts.
hopefully one day do release uncut versions too!
Pallavi is not Hindu, she is herself atheist and Anti Hindu.
@@cacspathshala3554 no one cares stop spamming
Agreed, with topics discussed and the people involved, it was way too short.
Its..not a..equal conversation...its 4 ( Muslim) vs 2 (hindu )..
Theirs 3 hindu vs 3 muslims ?
@@you_ma2458 4 muslim vs 2 hindu
@@you_ma2458 Pallavi married with Muslim, so technically she is Muslims now.
Pallavi is more Muslim than those 3 Muslims..not a balanced debate for sure ..
how is she a muslim just for stating how muslims have been treated unfairly lmao
She is dummy.
Pallavi is sitting in wrong row . She is more venomous than average Pakistani 😂😂
Achint is the only person who has suffered due to this hindu-msulim rivalry. Achint is the only person who was talked over most of the time. That's a great reflection of how we're dealing with this problem.
True. That hindu girl is also the best example of the indian left i have seen. Blame the victims for the problems and then leave the pot boiling.
Why she didn't say "thanks for not blaming hindus" when zarah talked about her problems? Thats when she realised that she should sympathise 😬😬
She doesn't know anything and wants to work on issues without understanding of the actual events.
She was ignorant Ngl.
@@user-vi3pi9rf7w yeah no one does, except those claiming cow dung will save India
@@arun3568 many people do know but they are not the ones controlling the society.
Pallavi is more muslim than other 3 muslims 🤣
True💀
Stop acting as if Islam is not evil.
@@TedEhioghae it’s not😂
@@TedEhioghae i think they mean she was speaking for Muslims experience more than her own religion.
@@TedEhioghae stop acting as if you know anything about Islam.
For the Muslims of India who think that they can not live peacefully with Hindus in the area. I got news for u there are two whole countries Pakistan and Bangladesh created just for you.
We need to create a new one for the 200 million Inidan muslims!
@@nami20622ye toh tum ab sapna hi dekh sakte ho..
Kabir is such a role model. Calm, composed but clear about his thoughts, from what I've seen.❤
'Are we settling scores?'
As a Hindu , this was disturbing. Hundreds of temples have been destroyed since antiquity but as always, Hindus are expected to endure.
Kudos to Mr. Achint for not bowing down to hatred. Peace.
Exactly! I don't wish them to be remorseful as they had nothing to do with it. But, they should atleast acknowledge this issue.
But she just tried to deny it altogether.
Hindu agnostic 🤡 yeah I'm a Marxist liberal
@@sakshamtyagi9652 Sir, Hinduism is not just a religion. It is a cultural identity, quite like Judaism. An atheist or agnostic person can still be Hindu because Hinduism gives us the liberty to choose our beliefs. Thank you.
I'm a hindu agnostic too - don't really believe in hindu mythology but I believe full heartedly in hindu (advaita) philosophy
@@sakshamtyagi9652 This is typical of people who do not read enough about a specific topic and then jump to comment. Hinduism has different school of thoughts, Instrinsically even a nasthik (atheist) is a hindu (not just for name, but it is a school of thought within hinduism), None of the Abrahamic religion have this particular concept.
i’m absolutely disgusted by how insensitive Pallavi & Ali were towards Achint’s father’s death. i think Pallavi was speaking more about muslims & from their side and instead of sharing her opinion, she was just trying to get others to agree with her?? this would’ve been way better without Pallavi.
Ofcourse
She is muslim pretend hindu
Karen is more vicious than Muslim guys about Islamophobia 😂😂😂
This is precious
Pallavi:- I been married to a Muslim boy.
like we don't know 🙃:)
Pallavi was representing the hindu side just because she was born in that religion and not because she wanted to.This is not fair to put her up from hindus side.
seems she was representing Muslim side
She's hindu whether you like it or not
@@jobwesleycoxjr5103 ur weird
@@clarie8486 Weakest. Comeback. Ever.
@@jobwesleycoxjr5103 idc 😑😑
Fair debate, 4 Muslims and 2 Hindus 💀
Exactly 💀
They know how to play the victim card
Maybe the rest two they called were lower caste hindus.... Who knows?
Huh? I counted 3 on each side
@@RandoAfricaninnit
13:46 actually we do have evidence of existence of Lord Ram's Temple before mosque replaced it. Even the archaeological survey and evidence was shown by muslim archaeologist (KK Muhammed) and he has accepted after the survey and collecting all evidence of base and pillars of temples that there was actually a temple before there was mosque.
take better hindu representatives next time.
Yeah these were too nice and peaceful 😂
Guys, Pallavi Sharma is a politician. She's an Indian National Congress spokesperson. Her opinions are agenda driven and it is highly unfair to include her in this discussion which is supposed to be among laymen who have their own opinions.
Bruh if this is true I am pretty disappointed in jubilee. Usually, their content is pretty spot on but this time it seems they havent done their research well. Might have been due to their lack of understanding of this country but still.
exactly!!! this is my point
This is an integrity issue, they have brought an outright politician on the show driving the agenda. I'd even tolerate Ali to some extent as rude as he is, he is speaking his own mind and not some agenda, but I won't tolerate that thotweiler sitting among them, she barely let even the Muslims speak let alone Hindus themselves.
@@OkarinHououinKyouma Views like Pallavi are exactly why Congress is not winning elections. This has been said by various research institutes and think tanks having a neutral orientation.
True, patani is pappu ko kyu bulaya
I would love a conversation just between Kabir and Achint. These two were the most humble, looked beyond prejudice and spoke intellectually, but got the least chances to speak.
Either remove pallavi from this debate or add ex muslim in this debate that would this debate fairly.
@@Dontreadmycomment151 fr
@@Dontreadmycomment151 exactly 💯
@@Dontreadmycomment151 ex Muslims are no longer Muslims, would it be fair to have an ex Muslim there but no ex Hindu?
@@Dontreadmycomment151 watched the video for a little longer and I kind of agree now, pallavi isn’t an ex Hindu but it feels as if she is closer to science and other religions than her own
I think the girl (pallavi) blaming government that everything happens wrong because of the government after 2014.
Reminds me of a quote which goes..fools are full of confidence and intelligent ones are the ones with doubts..Kabir strikes me as someone with so much wisdom..wish we could hear more of him and Anchit.
For both religions, life is like biryani. One cardamom and you’re done
I'm confused s
Is cardamom as a spice not allowed in either religion?
@@amadortv971 no 😂 but when you bite the cardamom it ruins the taste
Well said lol
@@amadortv971 haha nope. It's small ball-like spice that is actually necessary to give the biriyani flavour. But we put the cardamom as whole cloves so when u accidentally bite into it, you get that pungent flavour that overrides the overall taste of the biriyani.
Should have put a Bangladeshi or Pakistani Hindu and seen what they had to say. It willl blow yalls mind what we've been through and how little media rep we get
@Shubham Rawat very much agreed
@Shubham Rawat 😁 Another Libru. Who don't want to see the difference between facts and ideology ( of a cult).
@Shubham Rawat itna easy nahi hota to leave ur house and everything u built in pakistan and bangladesh, not every hindu is rich like u
@Shubham Rawat As expected a lone soul roaming in comment sections😏.
You didn't understand our Hindu brothers for sure most of them. And I don't Think so HINDUS near by are abrahmics or religious who have strict code of reading scriptures.
All indians who read indian scriptures..
Or dusra ke chodo time kharab hi karoge.
@Shubham Rawat No, u missed the whole point. India is secular because of hindus. If muslims became majority kashmir exodus events would be more frequent. We have already seen how even an educated muslim put their religion ahead of national and secular interest.
her saying that there was no proof of having a ram mandir was so absurd i mean at this point you are questioning the most supreme and respected body that is supreme court of india and yeah she is literally mindwashed if she is a hindu which she is absolutely not
absolutely
he thinks muslims dont have cast system and wtf do you know about cast system
Muslims dont have castes thats why lol its not in islam whilst hindus have caste system because of their religion 😂
there is a catch british made cast system rigid though , in real sense cast system worked on karma not birth it was British who created the lines
@@you_ma2458tum logo se zyada casteism aaj Hindus me bhi nahi hai😂pew survey dekh lena Jake aur 72 sects me divided ho wo alag😂ek sect dusre ko muslim nahi manta😂 mosque alag hai sabki
yo pallavi is the reason why inc should be banned from politics
I think people like Pallavi are the reason why Congress is so weak and will never win. I mean.... she's still living in her own dream land. She had to wake up and smell the coffee. The hindus have woken up and are demanding equal treatment. And ignoring the reasons for the rise of hindutva will just make things harder for INC.
@@baghyasrib6929 Facts
😂😂😂
rehne do ..only brown sahebs are voting that party
To be honest I don't think Pallavi was here from the Hindu side she was here from the anti-BJP side. More than she represented Hindus and their ideologies she criticized the govt for everything.
You realise the whole debate was organized by an arm of lef-media kabal? So this was obvious.
Exactly.. Bc uske ghar wale khatam hogae usko tolerate hone ka gyan pel rahi h... Desh bat gya do bar.. Abhi bhi Ashanti h....Kashmir ko alag krne k lie khade hojate h... Agar Muslim marega to poori community ek hojaegi.. Kashmiri pandit mara to bolta h ali humse kya matlab ... Ye to haal h ... Or unsab k bad bhi tolerate hone ka gyan de rhe h...
True
Yep
Pallavi is technically a non Hindu, because generally religion of the husband would be their religion, and none of these people are Muslims or Hindus they are just people who belong to those communities.
The way Pallavi approaches to the issues will eventually lead her to the state that we say in hindi as "Dhobi ka kutta, na ghar ka na ghat ka."
Pallavi's and Ali's behaviours were legit making my blood boil. Well Idc about them but I'm really happy with the others behaviour. They were so polite and kind and they were actually speaking facts. Lots of respect for them.
"they were actually speaking facts" lol
title is wrong "Can indian hindus and indian muslims see eye to eye?"
What about opinions of hindus in pakistan and bangladesh?
@@peak_911 this interview focused on india.
@@peak_911should be done I'd say.
I'm from Bangladesh and I'm seeing how Hindus are being discriminated against by the majority Muslims. the situation is even worse in Pakistan sadly
@@abhaysardar2275why don't they make for pakistan and bangladesh?
do you know condition of hindus of pakistan and bangladesh?
omg ru a kpop stan? i see sugaaa on ur pfp!
As an Afghan Muslim, it was heartbreaking to hear about Achint's past but it was absolutely infuriating to listen to people's reactions to that. Like how hard is it to empathize with someone who has had to ho through something as painful as that? Kudos to you Achint for your patience and for not hating us Muslims. Respect.
Edit: No longer responding to the comments. Thank you but I'm not going to engage in further identity wars.
Thank you for understanding dude
fellow afghan muslim!
@@swetasinha2294 👍👍
@@user400 ❤️🇦🇫
I am indian and in my college there are many Afghani studying engineering , we love them a lot . The time was hard for them when Taliban took over but we tried as much to make them feel home . I LOVE AFGHANIS SOO MUCH
Excellent debate between 4 muslims and 2 hindus, much respect Achint and Kabir bhai
I dont understand how this lady Pallavi is justifying everything wrong.
Pallavi is the only one sitting there and objectifying Hinduism. Feeling the loss and experiencing the loss hits you totally different, Kabir and Achint big salute to you brothers your maturity speaks.
Objectifying Hinduism is fine but selective objectivity that she illustrated is seriously annoying. You can easily feel like she wants to highjack the conversation and wants to superimpose her thoughts on others. She spoke like what she thinks is the ultimate truth. Her tone was also quite different from others.
musalman se shaadi ke hai usne kya expect kar sakte 🥲🥲🥲
@@rohitgajwani prospective shradha lol
@@demonslayer3683 it's not fine, if done other way around will u say the same
bro she isnt objectifying the religion cmon dont be like those BJP people. She said what Indian archaelogical evidences proved that there is no proof or whatsoever that Ram was born there, she didnt say it she just narrated the records of indian archaelogical department and to be honest It was intentional move by bjp to say that they really hate muslims and other hindus should too because they took the birthplace of ram, this is agenda
Pallavi said: “let’s be honest we’re all privileged but the people on the ground… etc” Achint literally just said his dad was assassinated when he was 15! Does that sound like privilege? Ali also disregarded Achint’s story by saying that things had been peaceful lately…
that's what islam does to you, rotten the brain cells
We don't k know if the dude is privileged tho. His father being a martyr doesn't tell us that he has no money?
@@potato6439 Kashmiri pandits built their new lives from scratch after exodus, sure pandit is a privileged casts doesn’t means all pandits are rich especially the ones who were removed from kashmir
@@musqitonebeats2129 I never said they were rich In the first place
@@musqitonebeats2129 You know, there was no caste in the Kashmir region, all people were called Pandits there since it was mainly the learned people of the society who used to go there, stay in isolation and do their research.
Leaving Pallavi and Ali aside everyone else were reasonable. Achint, Kabir, Chinmay and Sarah are the common people. Their fears are true and they can live together, but it's for ignorant people like Ali and agenda driven people like Pallavi where things get really ugly for common people. This video is a whole summary of what's happening in India.
What i am seeing is that the Hindu girl having a muslim husband and her parents not liking her husband,created a view of her husband people as victim and the side of her parents as the aggresive
I love the moment when Kabir explains Chinmay's point in a better way and Chinmay goes " This guy understands me so well. " Isn't that all which matters concerning the current scenario ?
ikr...that was wholesome
True that was so wholesome
Stop acting as if Islam is not evil.
@@TedEhioghae no it’s not dude
@@TedEhioghaeno it's not
Education is key. As both Hindus and Muslims live in close knit multi-generational families the discussions in households over the next two decades will define India’s future.
💯 agree and I feel bad for them
when they were being divided🥺🙏
More than education in general… awareness/teaching/intermingling between the two sides. Coz I have seen highly educated people who have been in their respective silos, still having prejudices.
Do schools and colleges actually teach us to not to hate other community..I've never seen something like that in a book.
@@metanick1837 I did in like 7th standard. In civics there was this thing about tolerance. Sadly, you don't have the capacity or maturity to grasp that concept when you're that young. When you do get older you're in 11th 12th grade where those subjects don't exist
@@BeastMaster-gc5zgBut do they teach us about the limit of Tolerance..Imagine you watch your parents get absolutely beaten to death...will you just watch them getting murdered to show that you have Tolerance or will you do something..?
Seems to me like Pallavi was speaking for her husband here rather than herself lmao.
lol..she is muslim in disguise of hindu
she would love to see muslims become the majority relgigon in India
Shame on you Jubilee, bringing a anti-hindu politician to represent the Hindu community. It was just a forum to bash those 2 hindus & make them feel bad about their indentity. Anchit having the most traumatic experiences was shut down & belittled that's so messed up.
Exactly, my blood is actually boiling after seeing this video. All she said was fabricated and lies. Hate Jubilee for doing this
anti hindu? u pindus want to be discriminated soo bad.
@@felidaesaremoresuperiortha5855
Stfu you bigot go do your homework. This woman is an opposition politician who's job is to spread lies & hate for the majority community & tarnish the image of the country. Were you born yesterday? Don't you know how politics work.
@@stannisbaratheon5763 politics work? arent u still livin in ur moms house arguing with ppl.
Pallavi has the sirname 'Sharma' which is also a hindu sirname. But as she married a muslim and and has issues with the religion she was born in, she should change her sirname, to a muslim sirname. She's also a part of a very hypocrite political party here in India INC, which pays less attention to religious rights of the majority religious group here in Indian .
Pallavi is not letting others talk. She loves the sound of her own voice
Vio
If she did let him speak then she would have realised how wrong it was
I bet her kids would be Muslims too.
Babri masjid is built on the ruins of our temple
@@dracarysgirl2048 yes.
This was more like middle ground between 2 hindus, 3 muslims and one politician.
I honestly don't think Hindus did anything wrong. It's always the muslims. Look at Europe, Israel and of course India.
Would love to see a middle ground with Pakistan and India, as someone with parents from either country
How interesting. I'd genuinely love to hear how did your family come to be.
Imagine watching cricket
I have friends from Pakistan and we have a middle ground discussion ever time we meet. We watched cricket together peacefully which is a lot to say.
My roommate is from pakistan and her boyfriend is from India (I'm from US). Until living with her, I had no idea just how much tension there was between the two countries! I'd love to learn more about this
There arent any Hindu left in Pakistan, so how you are going to do that Mr.?
I like how both communities reflect the masses in some way.
Like we all loved Kabir and Achint we loved how patient and thoughtful they were. How kabir was humble enough to say sorry for Achint's loss, and Achint was understanding enough to actually have this conversation.
Then we have Chinmaya and Zarah who harbours some apprehension, not hate but apprehension, due to some experiences of their own.
Then we have Ali and Pallavi, who didn't really give anything to the conversation.
I didn't feel the slightest bit represented with Pallavi , irritated at times? Yes.
I felt more represented with Zarah
Yea, absolutely agree w/ this breakdown!
100% true
Exactly
Yep,this proves there are all kinds of people among all kinds of people !!
Pallavi is like white woman of this discussion
😂😂😂
Hindus only believes in power of arguments but other side believes in power of swords, that's why we lose against other side.
Hindus have attacked mosques, churches, *not synagogues (one positive, probably cause the Jews were surrounded by mostly Christians and Muslims). It’s not allat innocent
@@l-go5rn see pakistani hindus and how they are living there before commenting on us. You cult people always criticise other but infact are worse.
I could relate a bit to brother Achint's pain. During 1992-93 Bombay riots my uncle's hand was cut , he was 14 years old boy and other relative was murdered. We don't hate Muslims but there is mistrust.
I cannot imagine Brother Achint's trauma. Sorry for your loss. May we have peace.
muslims have suffered too if not more
@Lil Omii that simply isnt true, especially considering the bjp and how Muslims are the minority and the situation in Kashmir but okay
@@AC-mp7cx BJP has done more to benefit the Muslims than any other govt so far. Scholarships, grants, reservations, triple talaq abolition. Hindus have suffered disproportionately more than any community in Indian subcontinent, just see the situation in Pak and Bangladesh. Acting like victims all the time when you are the biggest perpetrator community.
@@AC-mp7cx I don’t think the person is meaning to say that one community suffered more than the other. They probably mean they had bad experiences which make trusting people difficult for them on a individual level.
@@AC-mp7cx y'all are only the minority in India but you're the majority in the whole world. Be thankful and let people of other religions live in peace. Since y'all are following the *so called* religion of peace.
Kabir is so thoughtful and patient with his answers
@@KINGJERMARCUS MANIFEST ITTTT!!!!
@@Zdaren they speak perfectly, just because it's a different accent than yours? People are out here learning languages and you can't bring yourself to understand an accent? Do better.
@@Zdaren i bet they speak English better than you.
right he seemed so nice
Right?? He was so sweet and respectful 😇
Would love to see more of such banter. Lovely exchange of thoughts. More intellectual than emotional. Levelheaded I mean.
2:50 you're wrong bro, we all know well, its the sole reason why we try our best to maintain as much distance from your "peaceful community" as possible. We know what you did to hindus in kashmir, Pakistan, Bangladesh, west bengal, moplah, mewat etc. We know what you did to our temples like ram mandir, vishweshwar nath, adinath, krishna janmabhoomi, and over 300 temples whose ruins lie around qutub minar complex.
Only one person said "I'm sorry for your loss". That was surprising. That should've been the first thing anyone should've said. One woman made her first statement about her, that she felt fear when she heard that the dude was a Kashmiri Pandit. Great that every expressed their feelings and lauded the dude for his maturity but the first thing to come out of their mouths shouldve been an expression of sympathy for the horrendous tragedy the dude went through.
I was very confused when she said that. Why does she fear a Kashmiri pandit? Was it because she thought she might receive hate?
@@ive-3692 Yeah, exactly. The fear is that a Kashmiri pandit will hate on all muslims in response to the atrocities they faced.
Rather than direct the matter of how discussion of the exodus might cause Islamaphobia, they should have discussed how Hindus are unsafe in Kashmir. This kind of whataboutery is so frustrating for Kashmiri Pandits sharing their stories.
Well, its clear everyone one was sorry for his loss and were uncomfortable in how to start such a discussion. Later they moved from the topic. Its clear.
@@ive-3692 I was a little confused too. I was thinking why would she be scared when kashmiri pandits have had the hard side (i could be wrong correct me if so I'm not the most knowledgeable on this issue but i know a bit). there's a societal prejudice between hindus and muslims and it's from peoples experiences I understand i guess
Pallavi is a politician....why they have called a politician??
Which party?
@@kinjalroy2419 Indian national congress
@@saloni495 that's why Congress is always losing elections 🤡
@@kinjalroy2419 😂 true
That’s why congress losing elections😂😂
The worst about debate is pallavi he is totally manuplated from inside.He quoted new york times and had sad feeling about 1 mosque which is actually built on non islamic pillars but had no mercy for the hundreds of temples which were more older than someone's relogion .Well keeping aside,the debate between 2 hindus and 4 muslims is done wonderfully.
I don't agree when pallavi said its been going downhill since 2014. she is just blaming the government when this very government discarded the section 370 and freed kashmir. this very government has brought forward the issues happening in kashmir as well as kerela. i absolutely support muslims and am not against the community as a whole but it feels like pallavi is so against her own community while proving to herself that she is not against the muslims.
She is muslim. It's mandatory for a girl to convert in Islam for marrying a muslim .
Quoting NYT?! Seriously that's the last thing you want to do while debating on Hindu-Muslim conflict.
India will not secular , if Muslims will majority in India becouse 92 percentage Muslim countries are Islamic not secular like india
Even before the independence
European newspapers like nyt and times have printed wrong and twisted images of India to reflect and expand the negative side
I'm a 12th class student and our politics ncert book qoutes and shows times and other European newspaper headlines
And they were always against india and anti asian
@@absurd3694 nytimes European kabse hogaya bhai. Acche se padhai Karo 12th mein.
@@dmat606 He meant the west, jyada oversmart mat ban
@@souvikbera3067 then he should have said the west. Europe and North America are clearly not the same. instead of giving a rude answer try to understand and learn from your mistake.
I was very disappointed that Jubilee casted someone with a political background(Pallavi- spokesperson of congress). Political people can never be true. She is just carrying out her agenda. Also she is married to a Muslim.
You do realise they have had people from political backgrounds countless number of times before. Sometimes even the spokesperson of the very issue that they are debating.
Who?
@@lobhasdhuri6566 Pallavi.
@@morningsun8387 which one is pallavi?
@@Xcvbn3355 lol you don't know anything about hinduism.
Achnit and Kabir's opposing views and their patience makes for a perfect debate.
Chinmay and Pallavi have never talked anywhere except Twitter
Pallavi's husband is making money to buy a big fridge 😔
Pallavi has the same logic as "oh my sister's husband is black, I'm not racist". Ma'am you might have some issues
Pallavi reduced the takeaway from this conversation. The idea of Middle Ground is to have contrasting points of view whereas hers was “friendly fire” within the context of the discussion. Also Jubilee totally skipped over what the Kashmiri Pandit genocide was, sticking to a damn bland Wikipedia entry describing the community.
Jubilee is super woke. If that had of been Muslims being genoicided you can bet there would have been a whole episode discussing it. Unless of course it happened in China.
@@poocrayon4588 lmao nope. like there is nothing being said in china, there is nothing being said in other places where muslims have died on a large scale, such as israel
@@rezamohammed9778 I think you mean Palestine
Jammu genocide was a hundred thousand times worse and the worst part is indian gov doesn't want anyone to know about it
@@rezamohammed9778 The whole point was they wouldn't say it against China. Only little countries who they feel free to talk about. China is totally different, don't act like Palenstine doesn't and hasn't had controlling forces and many of it's own citizens who want the total destruction of Israel. Hamas ring a bell?
Bro the part in which they discussed about "govt has created more divide bw hindus and muslims" is actually a discussion bw 4 muslims not 1 hindu and 3 muslims.
I absolutely loved the video and it made me so emotjonal knowing that theree would be so many people in my country who are well educated and have opinions that actually make sense... From seeing our beautiful friendships on the daily basis to laughing eating crying togetherrr , i can proudly say that despite the tragedies that have occurred and depsitee the hate one person fathoms against someone elsee both the communities togetherr will exist peacefully without any tragedies occuring in the future let all of us work towards that idealistic dream of ours, because if it can happen in our daily livess the beautiful friendship we have with each other, it can also happen on a national level ...I respect all my muslim brothers and sisters and i would never be partial and hateful against you ...We have no enemies
Absolutely disgusting, how the Kashmiri pandit was shut down just for saying the truth, “are we settling scores ?”, no remorse, for the genocide of Kashmiri pandits,the thousands of temples destroyed and mosques built over.
What was the point of his comment if not settling scores? His detractors said those things happened and were terrible. They also pointed out that the destruction of temples doesn't justify the destruction of masjids. Both are bad and should stop.
@@writerchick94 If a mosque was built on a destoryed temple, it should be returned to a temple.
Same hindus did with Sikhs in Delhi in 1984..
@@itr8247 He wasn't referring to that masjid. He was referring to temples in Kashmir. I'm also not sure why Muslims of today should suffer because of something Muslims of the past did (i.e. building a masjid on top of a temple). There is a middle ground that doesn't result in continued suffering on either side. To do otherwise is just settling scores.
@@writerchick94
Hindus are not asking for every destroyed temple to be returned
They are asking only 3 temples tk be returned.
Having mosque on that site is also illegal in Islam.
To be honest, Pallavi added nothing to the Hindu side. She might as well have been on the Muslim side.
I think its because her husband is a muslim and she might have changed her pov gradually by living with him..just my opinion tho
@@dhanyadileep10 maybe she feared he will whoop her asss returning home after this shoot🤣🤣
Hindu never divide their country in the name of Hinduism, but muslim did it for Islam, debate end.
Idhar hindu kahan h.
Idhar toh sab muslim h
Ek arab muslim aur ek indian muslim.
This vedio highlights the basic mentality which creates a divide. You can always find liberals such as Pallavi on Hindu side who get ultra agressive defending others and then on other side there is no moderating liberal and more over the most open minded perspective you can get is that of Ali
"It's not my problem"
What do you expect from Pallavi. She is a congress spokesperson. Obviously she would try to carry out her propoganda. Congress mostly is anti hindu and pro muslim.
Yeah pallavi and Ali were really rude and insensitive, I like
Anchint,kabir and zarah.
The other hindu guy barely spoke anything cuz of pallavi taking up all time and Ali "that's not my problem"