The thing about the grim is that in a lot of folklore a church grim doesn’t kill you per se, it just shows up as you’re nearing the end of your life. Some stories even portray the grim as a kind of guide that takes you from this life to the next. I think that’s very fitting to the overall theme of the books, that Death isn’t something to fear. And really if you are going to greet death like an old friend who’s a better friend than a dog?
I think it's on character for Hermione to believe Lockhart but call Trelawney out inmediatly. After all, Lockhart's stories are supported by books, while one of the first things Trelawney says is something like "Divination can't really be taught by books" (which is actually true I guess), so I can see why she took that personaly.
Also, it’s an attribute of her character that isn’t too emphasised in potter discourse, but Hermione has a specific brand of cockiness when it comes to academia and being “right”, which trelawnwey accurate points out btw
@@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie there are aspects that can be learned from books though. Your profile pic is Luna (woman) and mine is my Pomeranian (dog). Even my two year old nephew could tell you which one was a woman and which was a dog. You then match the picture to the meaning. The book could have a chart saying woman means xyz and dog means abc. Hermione would be very good at memorizing charts. She does for Runes.
I suspect what the author was going for, especially given the context, was the simple fact that Hermione was an adolescent, (presumably) het girl and Lockhart's... well, Lockhart...
Every time I read that part about Neville breaking the teacup, I can’t stop thinking about that scene from the Matrix, when the Oracle says, “What’s really going to bake your noodle later on is: would you still have broken it if I hadn’t said anything?” I think that’s part of the reason Trelawney comes off as so impressive and believable, because on some level, she’s just playing a mind game, like real fortune tellers.
@@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie Yeah, in the previous episode they were talking about how it would be impossible for Hagrid to have time in his schedule to do both, but if he's only teaching half day it makes sense that the first half of his day is set on the groundskeeper work.
@@BlueSparxLPs it also makes tons of sense that he's only teaching half a day. It's an optional subject only 3rd year onwards, while several other subjects that are mandatory for all students every year (at least till year 5, year 6 and 7 is a bit different), are still taught by only 1 teacher. So the amount of lessons is just significantly less. Only 5 a week probably, compared to about 12 for subjects like DADA or transfiguration.
You know it Deathly Hallows, right before Harry goes in the forest to confront Voldemort, Harry turns the Resurrection Stone to speak to his parents, Lupin , and Sirius. So, in a way, Harry does see a grim before he dies…
One of my favorite Trewlaney's prediction is that Harry was born in the end of the year/during winter and it's actually Voldemort birth she sees. Meaning for me she can see Voldemort's soul inside Harry, leading to this kind of "mistake".
I mean, given that she was the one who prophesized Harry's birth (though she didn't realize this), and I'd be surprised that her roster didn't have students' birthdates . . . even still-was his birthdate not common knowledge?
@@finkiusmaximus well to be fair very few people connected Tom riddle with Voldemort. Creepy theory and it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if JK did it on purpose
@@finkiusmaximusWell, I’m sure Harry’s birthday was common knowledge to most of the wizard/witch community, but Trelawney was an odd witch, who had her head in the clouds. She probably forgot when Harry’s birthday was when she made that statement about Harry’s birthday being in winter. She really was seeing Voldemort’s soul inside Harry during that time.
@boblangford5514 I dont buy it, mainly because she went into a trance on the rare occasions (possibly no more than two) that she made real predictions. I think she just got exposed for being full of it.
My headcanon for Trelawney not using magic to repair or vainsh the broken teapot is that she believes that too much magic in the air interferes with the inner eye. Similarly to how she doesn't come down from her tower very much for similar reasons.
Trelawny could have also been seeing Neville's mom in her prediction. She gets a vision of a white-haired woman tottering around a hospital ward, and just assumes it's his grandmother and not his mother.
no matter the weather, Hagrid is often described as wearing his moleskin coat … “in his shirtsleeves” means he’s wearing a shirt, nothing over top of it.
I’ve always believed that Trelawney is not a seer at all. When she goes into a trance and makes a prediction, it’s actually Cassandra Trelawney the celebrated seer who’s speaking through her. And that’s why she doesn’t remember any of it.
I wholeheartedly believe that the falcon in Harry’s cup also represents Sirius as a character. The falcon patronus represents someone whose nature pulls them to the dark, but has chosen the light in spite of that. It also represents breaking free, like how Sirius not only broke out of prison, but also broke away from his pure-blood manic family after meeting James.
Yes, McGonagall disagrees with Trelawny for so many reasons but she still treats her with compassion when Umbridge wants to not only sack her but turn her out of the castle.
When I was at school, we had 2 of the most evil teachers in the afternoon (probably comparable with Umbridge, they were both horrid people) and their periods next to each other but their classrooms were at opposite ends of the school. Evil teacher 1 KNEW we had evil teacher 2 straight after her, and my school there was only about a 2 minute gap from one class to get to the next. Every week she would release us late on purpose so we were always late to class 2. Evil teacher 2 would without fail flip her lid, knowing that we had evil teacher 1 right before who would release us late on purpose. I hated Monday afternoons with a passion, so I feel for Ron, Hermione and Harry being late to McGonagall’s lesson😂
For me, Hermione using logic to dismiss Trelawney’s prediction of Lavender’s bunny is the one time where I was really annoyed at Hermione. I mean, she is right, but when does logic ever help with grief from loss? For someone who’s usually attuned to people’s feelings, her need to be right got the better of her in this chapter.
Yeah I feel like even at 13 you can figure out that that's one of those moments where you should keep your mouth shut about facts and logic and just comfort your grieving classmate
I always interpreted the trap door to Trelawney’s classroom as being a password-activated thing; it’s just a weak one. Instead of a code word, the password is “get up there?” Because it’s not a protected place, so no need to have a fancy password, but there has to be an easy way up. It’s like setting your computer password to “password” purely for easy access 😂
I think that is a movie thing. I could be wrong though. I haven’t read the books in about 9-12 months. I also came to say about Black not breaking in that day. It took me a while to find anyone else mentioning it so I was starting to doubt myself.
Just wanted to mention Hermione's hypocrisy in this chapter by dismissing divination while praising Arithmancy when Arithmancy is a form of divination using numbers
I think the expression being in his shirt sleeves means he doesn't wear a coat or vest... And Hagrid always wears his coat, so it's a way to show his upset.
Yep, shirtsleeves means you're just in a shirt, dating from an era when the shirt was basically treated as we think of as an undershirt today. All it really means is that he's not wearing his jacket. Which was and is a bigger deal in the UK than in the US.
@@cptjeff1 I hesitated about the relevance of it in modern UK, but remembered it was a big thing from reading the classics (Jane Austen and the like). Are you from UK? I'm from France ☺️
Actually, Sirius Black doesn't break into the castle on October the sixteenth. He breaks in during the Halloween feast on October the thirty-first, presumably intentionally because everyone would be away at the Halloween feast and luckily there would be fewer people in the castle because of the Hogsmeade visit. You could still interpret this as Lavender fearing she would get the news of Binky's death, like she was afraid she would get a letter informing her of this. But it's all in the same chapter, in the same like fifteen pages. And I do like your view that Trelawney mistook Padma for Parvati but she does have an unpleasant experience with Ron too which Ron starts dating Parvati's best friend, Lavender and if my memory is right, Parvati is a little embarrassed by her best friend's behavior during the duration of that relationship. I always liked in the movie where they gave the "suffer but be happy about it" prediction to Harry being read by Ron because that's what Harry does. Like through this book, he'll suffer but ultimately be happy when he finds out Sirius is his Godfather and more so in the end because when Harry dies, he's at peace, he's happy to die to protect the defenders of Hogwarts. As for the Grim, I like to reinterpret the prediction, because sure the leaves shaped like a dog COULD be the Grim but it could also just be a dog which obviously foreshadows that Sirius is literally the dog Harry keeps seeing but also dogs are a symbol of undying loyalty and that's Sirius in a nutshell, his loyalty for James is constant even more a decade after James' death and it extends to Harry until Sirius' death. So it could be further foreshadowing that Sirius is a good guy. For Hermione's attitude for Divination, I want to say that Divination requires considering multiple possibilities of outcomes for the future and to accept that all of them have at least a chance of happening but that's not really something Hermione is good at. She's good at logic and what's likely to happen will happen by her logic and this also applied to McGonagall so their very logical ways of thinking could be why they wouldn't be good at Divination. Also, not relevant but she is just outright rude to Ron when he says his uncle Billius who Ronald BILLIUS Weasley was named after died after seeing the Grim and she says that Harry's not stupid enough to die of fright after seeing a black dog, that's just rude.
I think not being able to find McGonnegals after trelawneys can be easily enough explained by a) they’ve never come from north tower before and b) the castle’s corridors and staircases actively fuck with them
To quote the harry potter wiki: "Headmaster Albus Dumbledore had originally decided that this course should no longer be taught at Hogwarts. It was considered obscure and inaccurate to most. However, seeing that the applicant for the teaching post (Sybill Trelawney) was the great-great-granddaughter of the celebrated Seer Cassandra Trelawney, Dumbledore decided to give her a chance." So divination was taught at hogwarts before Trelawney came.
The fun thing about Trelawney is that in that first scene with her, she immediately identifies Neville as a giant ball of nerves, and then proceed to unsettle him even more by asking about his grandmother
RE the selective subject scheduling: option A) they do timetables AFTER they know who's taking which subject and schedule them in a way to ensure everybody can attend all of their lessons. option B) UK secondary schools have X and Y groups. Depending on how many students there are in each year, you would have for example English Y9 X group and English Y9 Y group. So a teacher who teaches this would run the same lesson twice just with different students at different times. And it's the same for all the subjects. So each of your lessons would have a different mix of students from your year in them. You finish English and half of the students head out to maths and the other half head out to selective because they are in the other group for maths that takes place later for example. Therefore ensuring there are enough combinations possible to make scheduling of "selective subjects" ("options" in the UK) possible. Not ever explained in HP like this but defo works like this IRL.
THIS!!!!! THANK YOU!!! love J and Ben and their discussions, but listening to them go in circles on the class scheduling without coming to or even considering this conclusion when it's such a common thing not just in the UK legitimately had me feeling really frustrated (not that they did anything to deserve that reaction from me, but sometimes emotions be like that) and needing to pause to decompress from them miss what felt like (to me) the *pretty obvious* answer. Went to the comments and was starting to feel like somehow I was the *only* one who saw it but your comment has me feeling so relieved and idk what else. But seriously thank you for saying it and confirming im not alone! T.T👍
My understanding of Trelawney was that she was basically being smothered by people's expectations of what "real" divination should be like. She's wrapped herself up in the show to insulate herself from people who would otherwise make ridiculous - and sometimes dangerous - demands of her.
I am pretty sure the church yard that Sirius haunts in dog form is the one in Godricks Hollow, he first went to the Potter home and then checked the graveyard at the church to find the grave and say goodbye to his friend.
I've always preferred the Auror path for Harry. From the time he first gets to school, he feels compelled to thwart not just Voldemort, but evil in general--the theft of the stone, the heir of slytherin, etc. The only career he ever wanted was Auror from the time he found out about it. The only time he showed any interest in teaching was when Hermione talked him into it. It also shows a character growth arc that Voldemort doesn't have; despite the fact that Hogwarts was the first place they each felt truly at home, Harry was able to move on with his life, where Voldy was stuck in wanting to come back and be at/control Hogwarts.
I find it funny that this book came out the same year as The Matrix, which does the same joke where a fortune teller predicts someone breaking a piece of china, in that instance a vase. Bernie: "Coincidence? I think NOT!"
I always liked the theory that all the people Trelawny predicted would die soon were the ones who would later die druing the Battle of Hogwarts, which also includes Harry
Mee too. And I also don't think that Trelawny is a fraud in the sense that she isn't a (good) seer. In my mind it is more that many expect fortune telling to yield exact results and that you could intentionally predict something specific, but that isn't the case. Trelawny just likes to say every prediction she makes out loud and without reasoning. That is so much part of her personality, that it doesn't occur to her that someone wouldn't like to know that he is probably having a early death. Which in turn leads to many believing she is a fraud because a) she didn't meet their expectations and/or b) the shere number of death predictions due to the battle of Hogwarts. Additionally I think divination is equally hard to practice as to test. You can not say that someone hasn't seen something, so you just can make things up in a convincing way, which is also the way how Harry and Ron pass divination.
20:52 guys have you completely forgotten what high school is like? "joke is over"? a buIy will always bring up one bad thing about you, weeks, months after it's "over". unless his own friends tell him it's old, he won't stop. also, Ginny has "nothing to be teased about" in book2? siblings tease siblings no matter what, and fred & george especially will do that to anyone.
Yeah, it is basically a running gag of the slytherins. Additionally I think that it would be quite amusing to them that of all students the so brave and famous student that has always stolen the house cup from them now faints just because a Dementor has been on the train.
I feel like if only had Harry responded in kind and mercilessly mocked Malfoy's stupidity and pathetic-ness, bawling his eyes out at a scratch on his arm after he f-ed around and found out that Hippogriffs don't take kindly to insults, he probably would have been too ashamed to drag his father it to have Buckbeak executed! Imagine if Harry pantomimed getting a scratch, and crying "oh, he's killed me!" To raucous laughter from the Gryffindors! Pretty sure he'd drop the injured act right quick.
Love the show especially the 20 minutes of rambling caused by the chapter art. Sirius doesn’t enter the castle the first time on Oct 16th, but on Halloween. I think he picked Halloween because of the feast. Black dogs are known through folklore and mythology to be associated with death or danger. While falcons are seen as hunters, which could be where the enemy idea comes in.
Guys, in shirtsleeves just means that he's only wearing his shirt, sans the overcoat he usually wears. An expression from a bygone era, when gentlemen would not let themselves be seen not fully dressed in their suits.
Also...Fred and George trying to cheer up Harry, Malfoy's hypocrisy, Harry seeing Sir Cadogan fall and asking him if he's all right, Hagrid's enthusiasm about class and hippogriffs and the first mention of flobberworms, Harry's effort to help Hagrid on his first day, the first mention of Animagi and Harry missing the mention completely, Hagrid realizing that Harry shouldn't be outside the castle at night and calling out him and Ron and Hermione for it. Also, cf. Ron as Seer video for PoA references.
A polecat isn't a cat, it's in the weasel family and is the wild ancestor to domestic ferrets. It looks like a ferret, but it is more muscular, broad, and lean, has darker coats without white feet or patches, and tends to be more solitary.
I would have loved if every time Trelawny predicts Harry’s demise is that it would correspond with the way a Horcrux was destroyed. Two snake bites (diary and cup), stabbed twice (ring and locket), fire (diadem), magic (Harry), and head cut off (nagini).
Just FYI, a polecat is a skunk (possibly a ferret or weasel or something of that nature, but generally a skunk). Being "in your shirt sleeves" means without a jacket. It's not something you generally see in modern times, but, there are some people that always wear a jacket or suit, and it's a very informal look to be without one.
@@sawanna508 Yeah, here in America, where true Polecats aren't native, the term polecat generally refers to a skunk. In Europe, after some research, it seems to refer to several species of weasel, most often certain varieties of ferrets. As this is written by a British author, we can reasonably assume she did indeed mean a ferret.
I remember my first time on a horse... I was set up on the saddle with no instructions. It took off running and it took everything my 10 year old self had to just hang on... It wasn't exactly a hippogriff but...
This is my favourite Malfoy line from all of the books. You'd Better Hurry Up, They'll Be Waiting For 'The Chosen Captain'. 'The Boy Who Scored' Whatever They Call You These Days."
Maybe because Hermione was the only student taking all those three elective classes… that’s why McGonagall started the negotiations for the time turner… Maybe other years there was more overlapping of students and the schedule had to be more conventional (different classes at different times for the same grade year)
Also since it seems like a teacher at hogwarts teaches all 7 years (or 5 for electives) so they also have to fit all those years into a teachers time table. Although that being said it seems like a wiser choice to give a teacher a time turner rather than a 13 year old. Even if the 13 year old in question is Hermione
@@maxwell9211 But Hermione is not the only student who takes Arithmancy, Muggle Studies and Ancient Rune. She is just the only Griffindor who takes them. ( Ernie takes one of those subjects too for example).
You were talking about the crazy scheduling of 3rd year classes. In Scotland in 00s this sort of seems normal. Because at my school had 8 subjects, 6 of which were mandatory and the other 2 were from a choice of 5 or 6 subjects which happened simultaneously. So JKR was probably just basing the schedule against what is the norm in the country it's based in.
Please continue to do your studio episodes even when you do the live stuff! Record the studio episodes first then do your life stuff, and upload them separately! You two having this conversation without an audience is PERFECTION. The live stuff is awesome but for people who can’t be there we want to hear you boys just talk amongst yourselves. We don’t need random people shouting out stuff! Only just started this episode but loving it already, especially seeing the length of the episode 😊 EDIT: I’ve taken the live episodes out of my playlist because it’s just not the same as the podcast we’ve come to know and love.
HEY BROTHER(S)!!!! I love 90+ min episodes & the fact that 5 mins in and you havent even started on the chapter yet. Really enjoying this podcast each week, boys!
Yall should consider doing livestream episodes. May be a good hybrid to avoid the crowd interruptions (it didn't bother me, personally) and still get live interaction. I think you guys would rock doing livestreams. Of course there will be moments that you can't edit out, but you guys are pros. Your "bad" moments are still gonna be great.
1. I think Hagrid's classes start later so he can take care of his gamekeeper/Keeper of Keys and Grounds duties 2. Do you think before the war there used to be more electives and they just didn't feelbthe roles afterwards 3. Maybe if Dumbledore didn't have 3 jobs he could teach an Alchemy class
I figured the third-year timetables were just on the table and George handed them out. I'm not surprised that someone on the team already knows the Quidditch schedule :)
In English schools, there are often option 'blocks' to make students choose subjects. I remember in my secondary school History and Geography was always in the same block so you could only choose one.
Yup. Same in Australia but I’m guessing it’d be the same in the US. When I was in high school 20 years ago they used software to put in your preferences, and classes wouldn’t happen if there wasn’t enough interest, but most optional subjects were opposed for good reason. Metalwork vs Computer Science. Or Sports Science vs Art. And the teachers would have to come back and say that you can either do this or that because of the numbers.
While this was never explicitly stated to us, I believe this was the same way in my US high school. I remember the system we used to select classes would block out some of the electives when we chose others. I always just assumed it was related to the credits given to ensure we had the right credits in the right areas to graduate, but scheduling conflicts would make a lot of sense.
What I always thought was: Because the teachers know for such a long period in advance which subjects the students chose and they are given individual schedules it stands to reason that each subject is taught to multiple groups of students if necessary so that everyone can choose everything. Except that if you choose too many, you need to attend to "groups" that are scheduled at the same time and you get a time turner. I think Hermione also says that she drops another class so that her time table is back to a regular one. That couldn't be the case if she assigned to every class, they are organized in slots and there are three classes per slot.
Gentlemen, this was one of your finest episodes yet. I especially enjoyed the section about Trelawney acting like a carney psychic with all the cold reading and vagueries that fit your perceptions and the examples sealed it. I merely wanted to mention that Hermione's reaction to Trelawney's fraudulent behaviour in comparison to Lockhart could also originate from the fact that she had a schoolgirl crush on a handsome, older man and she was blinded to his faults and dismissed them as they surfaced. She also worshipped the written word at that point, so that could play a part. The same biases don't apply in the case of Trelawney, because the subject on a whole is interpretive rather than concrete which her mind rebels against it and thus, she was bad at the subject and was clearly inclined to see the faults that Trelawney displayed to an extreme. Her callous disregard for Lavender's feelings was a prime example of her dislike for the subject and is carried over to the last book by displaying a general dismissiveness of non-standard magic like Luna's creatures or the Deathly Hallows. P.S: Both Ron and Harry fail their O.W.Ls as they both got a Poor whilst Acceptable is the final passing grade for any subject.
Polecat is a ferret or weasel. A roan is a horse’s coat color that is a mix of light and dark hairs…similar to a merle coat color in dogs. Mixing sorrel/chestnut hair with gray (white) hairs gives an overall pinkish color - think Chili and Bingo from Bluey.
Love the show guys it's so nice to have all your theories organized in one long chronological read through. I've long been accepting nearly all of what you guys say as canon for harry and Pixar. What do you think would've happened if lilly had just given in and made petunia prettier? Is there a world where she's not magic averse, doesn't settle for Vernon the bigot, and Harry isn't abused? Keep up the great work!
Beater: absolutely crushes a bludger and sends it straight at the opposing keeper Hagrid: catches it and throws it back at them "you'll have to try harder than that ya git!"
Your point at the beginning about the community was lovely to hear. This pod is my new favourite thing! Absolutely loving it guys, makes me so happy to think theres literally years more of this to come
The first magic noticed, of course not by the Dursley's, are owls flying around outside their house during the day. Next is a cat reading a map. Thanks for my Sunday morning analysis. Enjoying it fully.
Trelawney’s grandmother was Cassandra, and that’s definitely on purpose lol. In Greek mythology, Cassandra was a priestess that could foresee but she was cursed to never be believed.
It's only Hermione's schedule that is so wonky, because she's doing all the electives. There's no overlap at all for the students that just signed up for the usual two or three. And there are mixed houses for the other subjects and not all of the classes conflict. Later on in Ch 12, Ron states that Ernie Macmillian has told him that Hermione hasn't missed a Muggle Studies class and notes half of them are at the same time as Divination.
My copy of PoA is British and does not have chapter art. What she says about books and spells, lol. Divination class--different side to students: we find out who has and hasn't heard of the Grim, Hermione's skepticism and backtalk to Trelawney, Harry's loss of temper about people wondering if he'll die or not, and, later at lunch then Transfiguration, Hermione's and McGonagall's matter-of-fact reactions.
The term "in shirtsleeves" is one I grew up with on an AFB. It means going around wearing a shirt but no coat or jacket (Hagrid is generally described as always wearing a moleskin overcoat). It is a term from a time when formal dress was more common and everyday.
1:29:25 I'm sure you'll catch this when you get there but Trelawney wad being hired to fill a position and Dumbledore wasnt even sure if he wanted to continue offering Divination, so Divination was definitely offered for Voldemort and Crouch Jr. It seems like its a more recent thing to be skeptical about in the wizarding world.
I love that you guys are doing a tour on the West coast and have done one on the East coast. I really really really hope that you intend to do one here in the middle of the country. You know, for those of us who can't jet off to either coast at the drop of the hat. I would love to be at one of these and meet you two and your awesome team. I'm sure other fans around here would agree. If you choose Omaha, NE for one of them or Lincoln, NE we have lots of place here that would work. We also just have lots of great places I think you two would enjoy visiting. We have the Henry Doorly Zoo in Omaha, along with the Durham Museum, a beautiful greenhouse garden called Lauritzen Gardens, the wonderful Joclyn Art Museum, and lots more. While Lincoln is smaller, we still have lots of great places here. Sorry for turning this into a Travel Promo for my home state, but I think there would be lots of places in the middle of the country that would be great for a Through the Griffin Tour Central/Midwest. PS. I love these along with your main channel! Thanks, from a fellow TH-camr.
I enjoyed hearing you guys talk about spending time at Lake Champlain. When I was little, I lived on the New York side in a village called Champlain, which itself was in the town called Champlain.
28:46: As someone who went to a small High School, I would often have classes where I was the only student. so if that's what Hermione's doing, I can relate.
George probably has all the info because he had already been in trouble the first day back (likely for something he did last year and wasn't discovered until summer break cleaning) and was called to the office giving him the opportunity to snoop and likely was delegated the duty of handing out schedules as a punishment for said rule breaking as no house had yet earned points to remove.
15:07 That might have something to do with her ancestor - Cassandra. In Greek Myth, the oracle Cassandra was always right but (because of possibly a curse) nobody ever believed her.
I must really enjoy these episodes. I have restarted this one like 5 times at this point. There is a huge storm coming through the Orlando area where I live and we have lost power really quick 4-5 times at this point. Granted I think the little area I live has sketchy power because I live near the farms and lakes in Clermont.
The trio struggling to find the north tower and then arriving to find their classmates all already there sounds just like my experience at college, where I would frequently miss most of first period because no one had told me that the lesson was in a different part of campus, only to find everyone else there when I eventually found the class. It didn’t help that I had never needed to find my own way from class to class before, since the teachers at my old school, where I’d been since Year 3, had treated me like a small child (aside from when they rolled out the old “you’re a big lad now, you should know better” speech) right up until the day that I left, so I was used to just being ferried from one class to another.
I think the previouse divination teacher is retiring and Dumbledore didn´t want to continue the lessons but out of courtesy for her famous seer grandmother (or greatgranmother Casandra) he goes to interview her. Also I think Alchemy is taught in Hogwarts sometime before Dumbledore is headmaster, I think there is something about it on wizardingworld. They also had kind of drama classes during the time Dumbledore was teaching transfiguation, they did a christmas pantomime of the fountain of fair fortune from the tales of Beedle the bard, but it ended in fiery disaster.
I had no idea what you were talking about when you were saying "circa dugin" then I realized it's sir cadogen. I always thought it was pronounced "cad-oh-gen"
Idk if someone commented this but I think when Trelawney asks if Neville’s grandmother is doing well, it seems more like she’s seeing into the future of her at St. Mungo’s in the OotP with Neville when Harry meets Neville’s parents. Could also be the Snape dressing up as her, but idk how she could confuse Snape for an elderly woman.
I can't wait for ya'll to address S.P.E.W in GOF... it was honestly so messed up that only Hermione cared about how terribly Winky is treated, and it *always* bothered me. Harry is so apathetic. edit: added more detail
Probably because he has met the elves and knows that they are very brainwashed and servitude is deeply embedded in their culture. It will take years of re-education to undo that. Hermione should also know that, but she is in full throes of youthful activism
I think they will kinda say its bad and gloss over most of it a per usual, i like them but theyre not very talkative about the hard topics in and around HP
@@havewissmart9602 I know. I honestly like the pay offs - kreacher leading the house elves in the battle of hogwarsts, ron expressing concern over the elves which leads to his and hermione's first kiss. I just wish rowling had resolved it more humanely rather than falling on a lazy excuse of "they like it that way."
An easy fix for the elective classes being at the same time is that they draw up the time tables based on student's choices. After all, there are new time table's every year. What's more jarring is when later we learn there is another exam at the same time as *Charms* which is a core class that everyone needs to take. We'll see if it's brought up when we get to the chapter.
Re: Malfoy going on _ad nauseum_ about Harry fainting in front of a dementor, my family had a saying about jokes, "Once it rings twice it clinks and three times it stinks." Then if you were going for the tweak, you'd say, "But in your case, the first time it stinks."
I think the "is your grandmother well? I wouldn't be so sure" is because she saw in the future and saw Nevilles grandmother in the hospital visiting Nevilles parents in Order of the Phoenix
Great to hear you guys are taking on some of the criticism from the live eps! I think it was so harsh beacuse people love the podcast so much and love to hear Ben and Jay’s ideas and thoughts more than anything. Keep up the great work and loving the production quality lately!
Before showing Harry the profecy in year 5, Dumbledore tells Harry "I had gone there to see an applicant for the post of divination, though it was against my inclination to allow the subject of divination to continue at all." So it was already available before Trelawny started. He also, when talking to Harry in year 6 about Trelawny and Firenzi, says something about not foreseeing the issues with his divination classes "having never studied the subject myself." Which to me, it implies that it was not offered at the time. A power hungry 12-13 year old Dumbledore would have, not only, taken every class available, but also would have wanted to know more about his future.
I have to wonder if Grindelwald being a known Seer would make Dumbledore more or less likely to pursue Divination. On the one hand, you know it works, but on the other, you already have easy access to it without studying it, and there might also be a visible difference between the subject being taught and the genuine seer abilities he sees in Grindelwald that makes him think the class is only a pale imitation of the real thing. Though I have a suspicion none of this actually matters, because my vague recollection is that he only meets Grindelwald after school, or at least when he's a few years into it already. Too late to use him as a consideration on whether to take the class or not. So "it was never taught" might still be on the table.
@@riluna3695 I really only go off of the books for my info. I saw a little bit of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them that made me realize it can't be Canon and while I like the movies, I like them more like I would fanfic. JK is not a great writer when she planned the whole story, so going back and adding to it was a fail, in my opinion. (and probably not just mine since they cut off what was supposed to be a longer series) Dumbledore did meet Grindlewald after he had graduated from Hogwarts. He may have learned something from him, and that may be the reason he was against divination continuing to be taught, but I don't think Dumbledore put much stock in it as a form of magic. Or, because of his fear of Grindlewald, he was just afraid of divination.
“Shirtsleeves” is common in the Uk. It just means that you’re wearing a shirt and no jacket. There’s a common Scottish idiom “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations” which means essentially that a family starts off with nothing, accumulates wealth, but ends up back where they started, losing everything. :)
A darker interpretation for the unexpected gold prediction:
Sirius' death and him leaving everything to Harry.
The thing about the grim is that in a lot of folklore a church grim doesn’t kill you per se, it just shows up as you’re nearing the end of your life. Some stories even portray the grim as a kind of guide that takes you from this life to the next.
I think that’s very fitting to the overall theme of the books, that Death isn’t something to fear. And really if you are going to greet death like an old friend who’s a better friend than a dog?
Do you mean the Grim actually exists in Muggle folklore??
@@LeaF-vo2mx Yep, they’re called church grims and they appear in English and Nordic folklore. Here’s the Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_grim
Love this take
I think it's on character for Hermione to believe Lockhart but call Trelawney out inmediatly. After all, Lockhart's stories are supported by books, while one of the first things Trelawney says is something like "Divination can't really be taught by books" (which is actually true I guess), so I can see why she took that personaly.
True. 😊
Also, it’s an attribute of her character that isn’t too emphasised in potter discourse, but Hermione has a specific brand of cockiness when it comes to academia and being “right”, which trelawnwey accurate points out btw
@@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie there are aspects that can be learned from books though. Your profile pic is Luna (woman) and mine is my Pomeranian (dog). Even my two year old nephew could tell you which one was a woman and which was a dog. You then match the picture to the meaning. The book could have a chart saying woman means xyz and dog means abc. Hermione would be very good at memorizing charts. She does for Runes.
I suspect what the author was going for, especially given the context, was the simple fact that Hermione was an adolescent, (presumably) het girl and Lockhart's... well, Lockhart...
@@hufflepomwhat in the world are talking about? My picture is Anne Frank? Honestly I tried to make sense of your comment but I can not.
Every time I read that part about Neville breaking the teacup, I can’t stop thinking about that scene from the Matrix, when the Oracle says, “What’s really going to bake your noodle later on is: would you still have broken it if I hadn’t said anything?” I think that’s part of the reason Trelawney comes off as so impressive and believable, because on some level, she’s just playing a mind game, like real fortune tellers.
I thought about that too when they talked about that scene.
I imagine what Hagrid does before lunch is actually CARE FOR magical creatures.
True. Or do his game keeping duties, as well. 😉
@@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie Yeah, in the previous episode they were talking about how it would be impossible for Hagrid to have time in his schedule to do both, but if he's only teaching half day it makes sense that the first half of his day is set on the groundskeeper work.
@@BlueSparxLPs it also makes tons of sense that he's only teaching half a day. It's an optional subject only 3rd year onwards, while several other subjects that are mandatory for all students every year (at least till year 5, year 6 and 7 is a bit different), are still taught by only 1 teacher. So the amount of lessons is just significantly less. Only 5 a week probably, compared to about 12 for subjects like DADA or transfiguration.
I was thinking that too! He is still the games keeper after all. He has other things to do!!
Yes! Since he has both jobs Hagrid has a lot to do! And caring for animals can take a lot of time!
You know it Deathly Hallows, right before Harry goes in the forest to confront Voldemort, Harry turns the Resurrection Stone to speak to his parents, Lupin , and Sirius. So, in a way, Harry does see a grim before he dies…
One of my favorite Trewlaney's prediction is that Harry was born in the end of the year/during winter and it's actually Voldemort birth she sees. Meaning for me she can see Voldemort's soul inside Harry, leading to this kind of "mistake".
I mean, given that she was the one who prophesized Harry's birth (though she didn't realize this), and I'd be surprised that her roster didn't have students' birthdates . . . even still-was his birthdate not common knowledge?
@@finkiusmaximus well to be fair very few people connected Tom riddle with Voldemort. Creepy theory and it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if JK did it on purpose
@@kristinmartin2899 I'm not talking about Tom. I'm talking about Harry and his 31 July 1980 D.O.B.
@@finkiusmaximusWell, I’m sure Harry’s birthday was common knowledge to most of the wizard/witch community, but Trelawney was an odd witch, who had her head in the clouds. She probably forgot when Harry’s birthday was when she made that statement about Harry’s birthday being in winter. She really was seeing Voldemort’s soul inside Harry during that time.
@boblangford5514 I dont buy it, mainly because she went into a trance on the rare occasions (possibly no more than two) that she made real predictions. I think she just got exposed for being full of it.
Hermione’s reaction to Lockhart is pure and simple adolescent crush.
My headcanon for Trelawney not using magic to repair or vainsh the broken teapot is that she believes that too much magic in the air interferes with the inner eye. Similarly to how she doesn't come down from her tower very much for similar reasons.
Trelawny could have also been seeing Neville's mom in her prediction. She gets a vision of a white-haired woman tottering around a hospital ward, and just assumes it's his grandmother and not his mother.
no matter the weather, Hagrid is often described as wearing his moleskin coat … “in his shirtsleeves” means he’s wearing a shirt, nothing over top of it.
Yeah, sometimes a quick google search might be the right thing to do instead of just speculating during the podcast...
I’ve always believed that Trelawney is not a seer at all. When she goes into a trance and makes a prediction, it’s actually Cassandra Trelawney the celebrated seer who’s speaking through her. And that’s why she doesn’t remember any of it.
33:43 The way you told the story of Sir Cadogen makes him feel like wizarding world equivalent of Don Quixote and honestly im here for it. Lmao
Sir Cadogan clearly gives off a strong Quixote vibe from the novel alone.
I love that! 😊
I wholeheartedly believe that the falcon in Harry’s cup also represents Sirius as a character. The falcon patronus represents someone whose nature pulls them to the dark, but has chosen the light in spite of that. It also represents breaking free, like how Sirius not only broke out of prison, but also broke away from his pure-blood manic family after meeting James.
Yes, McGonagall disagrees with Trelawny for so many reasons but she still treats her with compassion when Umbridge wants to not only sack her but turn her out of the castle.
When I was at school, we had 2 of the most evil teachers in the afternoon (probably comparable with Umbridge, they were both horrid people) and their periods next to each other but their classrooms were at opposite ends of the school. Evil teacher 1 KNEW we had evil teacher 2 straight after her, and my school there was only about a 2 minute gap from one class to get to the next. Every week she would release us late on purpose so we were always late to class 2. Evil teacher 2 would without fail flip her lid, knowing that we had evil teacher 1 right before who would release us late on purpose. I hated Monday afternoons with a passion, so I feel for Ron, Hermione and Harry being late to McGonagall’s lesson😂
For me, Hermione using logic to dismiss Trelawney’s prediction of Lavender’s bunny is the one time where I was really annoyed at Hermione.
I mean, she is right, but when does logic ever help with grief from loss? For someone who’s usually attuned to people’s feelings, her need to be right got the better of her in this chapter.
Yeah I feel like even at 13 you can figure out that that's one of those moments where you should keep your mouth shut about facts and logic and just comfort your grieving classmate
Sadly, yes.
I always interpreted the trap door to Trelawney’s classroom as being a password-activated thing; it’s just a weak one. Instead of a code word, the password is “get up there?” Because it’s not a protected place, so no need to have a fancy password, but there has to be an easy way up. It’s like setting your computer password to “password” purely for easy access 😂
Black didn’t break in to the castle on 16 October. They are outside class that day. He breaks in on Halloween after they go into the Village.
Ye he breaks in during the feast. I think Ron says something about Sirius not knowing the time after his stint in Azkaban.
Wasn't there a Prophet article about him being sighted in a village not far from Hogwarts that day, or is that a movie thing?
I think that is a movie thing. I could be wrong though. I haven’t read the books in about 9-12 months. I also came to say about Black not breaking in that day. It took me a while to find anyone else mentioning it so I was starting to doubt myself.
@@occheermommy I’m a little too obsessive over details in these books. lol.
@@suziwolf4830 yes. It is in the book but it is the first week of school.
Just wanted to mention Hermione's hypocrisy in this chapter by dismissing divination while praising Arithmancy when Arithmancy is a form of divination using numbers
I think the expression being in his shirt sleeves means he doesn't wear a coat or vest... And Hagrid always wears his coat, so it's a way to show his upset.
Yep, shirtsleeves means you're just in a shirt, dating from an era when the shirt was basically treated as we think of as an undershirt today. All it really means is that he's not wearing his jacket. Which was and is a bigger deal in the UK than in the US.
@@cptjeff1 I hesitated about the relevance of it in modern UK, but remembered it was a big thing from reading the classics (Jane Austen and the like). Are you from UK? I'm from France ☺️
Actually, Sirius Black doesn't break into the castle on October the sixteenth. He breaks in during the Halloween feast on October the thirty-first, presumably intentionally because everyone would be away at the Halloween feast and luckily there would be fewer people in the castle because of the Hogsmeade visit. You could still interpret this as Lavender fearing she would get the news of Binky's death, like she was afraid she would get a letter informing her of this. But it's all in the same chapter, in the same like fifteen pages.
And I do like your view that Trelawney mistook Padma for Parvati but she does have an unpleasant experience with Ron too which Ron starts dating Parvati's best friend, Lavender and if my memory is right, Parvati is a little embarrassed by her best friend's behavior during the duration of that relationship.
I always liked in the movie where they gave the "suffer but be happy about it" prediction to Harry being read by Ron because that's what Harry does. Like through this book, he'll suffer but ultimately be happy when he finds out Sirius is his Godfather and more so in the end because when Harry dies, he's at peace, he's happy to die to protect the defenders of Hogwarts.
As for the Grim, I like to reinterpret the prediction, because sure the leaves shaped like a dog COULD be the Grim but it could also just be a dog which obviously foreshadows that Sirius is literally the dog Harry keeps seeing but also dogs are a symbol of undying loyalty and that's Sirius in a nutshell, his loyalty for James is constant even more a decade after James' death and it extends to Harry until Sirius' death. So it could be further foreshadowing that Sirius is a good guy.
For Hermione's attitude for Divination, I want to say that Divination requires considering multiple possibilities of outcomes for the future and to accept that all of them have at least a chance of happening but that's not really something Hermione is good at. She's good at logic and what's likely to happen will happen by her logic and this also applied to McGonagall so their very logical ways of thinking could be why they wouldn't be good at Divination. Also, not relevant but she is just outright rude to Ron when he says his uncle Billius who Ronald BILLIUS Weasley was named after died after seeing the Grim and she says that Harry's not stupid enough to die of fright after seeing a black dog, that's just rude.
I think not being able to find McGonnegals after trelawneys can be easily enough explained by a) they’ve never come from north tower before and b) the castle’s corridors and staircases actively fuck with them
Also Professor McGonnagal may not teach in the same class room every year.
To quote the harry potter wiki:
"Headmaster Albus Dumbledore had originally decided that this course should no longer be taught at Hogwarts. It was considered obscure and inaccurate to most. However, seeing that the applicant for the teaching post (Sybill Trelawney) was the great-great-granddaughter of the celebrated Seer Cassandra Trelawney, Dumbledore decided to give her a chance."
So divination was taught at hogwarts before Trelawney came.
The quote from the book is 'it was against my inclination to allow the subject of Divination to continue at all"
@@whomigazone thanks. I did not have the English book to look up and quote from.
Also, have to believe that BECAUSE, Dumbledore HEARD ST’s prediction…. .
Head canon: when he retires he becomes the DADA professor
Or he could do it on the side at some point when the children are older. It would be odd to teach his own children.
It would be weird and embarrassing for the children, but from personal experiences, the parents are usually unbothered to teach their own kids
The fun thing about Trelawney is that in that first scene with her, she immediately identifies Neville as a giant ball of nerves, and then proceed to unsettle him even more by asking about his grandmother
RE the selective subject scheduling:
option A) they do timetables AFTER they know who's taking which subject and schedule them in a way to ensure everybody can attend all of their lessons.
option B) UK secondary schools have X and Y groups. Depending on how many students there are in each year, you would have for example English Y9 X group and English Y9 Y group. So a teacher who teaches this would run the same lesson twice just with different students at different times. And it's the same for all the subjects. So each of your lessons would have a different mix of students from your year in them. You finish English and half of the students head out to maths and the other half head out to selective because they are in the other group for maths that takes place later for example. Therefore ensuring there are enough combinations possible to make scheduling of "selective subjects" ("options" in the UK) possible. Not ever explained in HP like this but defo works like this IRL.
THIS!!!!! THANK YOU!!! love J and Ben and their discussions, but listening to them go in circles on the class scheduling without coming to or even considering this conclusion when it's such a common thing not just in the UK legitimately had me feeling really frustrated (not that they did anything to deserve that reaction from me, but sometimes emotions be like that) and needing to pause to decompress from them miss what felt like (to me) the *pretty obvious* answer. Went to the comments and was starting to feel like somehow I was the *only* one who saw it but your comment has me feeling so relieved and idk what else.
But seriously thank you for saying it and confirming im not alone! T.T👍
My understanding of Trelawney was that she was basically being smothered by people's expectations of what "real" divination should be like. She's wrapped herself up in the show to insulate herself from people who would otherwise make ridiculous - and sometimes dangerous - demands of her.
new head canon, Draco took Hagrid's double negative literally. When he gets hurt, he's too proud to admit he misunderstood.
I am pretty sure the church yard that Sirius haunts in dog form is the one in Godricks Hollow, he first went to the Potter home and then checked the graveyard at the church to find the grave and say goodbye to his friend.
@1:20:40 "Shirtsleeves" -- it just means he's wearing a long-sleeved shirt, without a coat or a waistcoat.
I've always preferred the Auror path for Harry. From the time he first gets to school, he feels compelled to thwart not just Voldemort, but evil in general--the theft of the stone, the heir of slytherin, etc. The only career he ever wanted was Auror from the time he found out about it. The only time he showed any interest in teaching was when Hermione talked him into it.
It also shows a character growth arc that Voldemort doesn't have; despite the fact that Hogwarts was the first place they each felt truly at home, Harry was able to move on with his life, where Voldy was stuck in wanting to come back and be at/control Hogwarts.
I find it funny that this book came out the same year as The Matrix, which does the same joke where a fortune teller predicts someone breaking a piece of china, in that instance a vase.
Bernie: "Coincidence? I think NOT!"
Careful; Rowling might not be too happy to have something she wrote compared to something made by two trans women!
@@kayleighlehrman9566 Damn, that's actually a really good point.
Principle: "Er, Bernie,..."
@@kayleighlehrman9566 Yawn
I always liked the theory that all the people Trelawny predicted would die soon were the ones who would later die druing the Battle of Hogwarts, which also includes Harry
I hadn’t heard this before! That’s a good one!
Mee too. And I also don't think that Trelawny is a fraud in the sense that she isn't a (good) seer. In my mind it is more that many expect fortune telling to yield exact results and that you could intentionally predict something specific, but that isn't the case. Trelawny just likes to say every prediction she makes out loud and without reasoning. That is so much part of her personality, that it doesn't occur to her that someone wouldn't like to know that he is probably having a early death. Which in turn leads to many believing she is a fraud because a) she didn't meet their expectations and/or b) the shere number of death predictions due to the battle of Hogwarts.
Additionally I think divination is equally hard to practice as to test. You can not say that someone hasn't seen something, so you just can make things up in a convincing way, which is also the way how Harry and Ron pass divination.
20:52 guys have you completely forgotten what high school is like? "joke is over"? a buIy will always bring up one bad thing about you, weeks, months after it's "over". unless his own friends tell him it's old, he won't stop. also,
Ginny has "nothing to be teased about" in book2? siblings tease siblings no matter what, and fred & george especially will do that to anyone.
Yeah, it is basically a running gag of the slytherins. Additionally I think that it would be quite amusing to them that of all students the so brave and famous student that has always stolen the house cup from them now faints just because a Dementor has been on the train.
I feel like if only had Harry responded in kind and mercilessly mocked Malfoy's stupidity and pathetic-ness, bawling his eyes out at a scratch on his arm after he f-ed around and found out that Hippogriffs don't take kindly to insults, he probably would have been too ashamed to drag his father it to have Buckbeak executed! Imagine if Harry pantomimed getting a scratch, and crying "oh, he's killed me!" To raucous laughter from the Gryffindors! Pretty sure he'd drop the injured act right quick.
Love the show especially the 20 minutes of rambling caused by the chapter art. Sirius doesn’t enter the castle the first time on Oct 16th, but on Halloween. I think he picked Halloween because of the feast. Black dogs are known through folklore and mythology to be associated with death or danger. While falcons are seen as hunters, which could be where the enemy idea comes in.
Guys, in shirtsleeves just means that he's only wearing his shirt, sans the overcoat he usually wears. An expression from a bygone era, when gentlemen would not let themselves be seen not fully dressed in their suits.
To modify a classic line, Harry lives rent free in Malfoy's head
Also...Fred and George trying to cheer up Harry, Malfoy's hypocrisy, Harry seeing Sir Cadogan fall and asking him if he's all right, Hagrid's enthusiasm about class and hippogriffs and the first mention of flobberworms, Harry's effort to help Hagrid on his first day, the first mention of Animagi and Harry missing the mention completely, Hagrid realizing that Harry shouldn't be outside the castle at night and calling out him and Ron and Hermione for it. Also, cf. Ron as Seer video for PoA references.
A polecat isn't a cat, it's in the weasel family and is the wild ancestor to domestic ferrets. It looks like a ferret, but it is more muscular, broad, and lean, has darker coats without white feet or patches, and tends to be more solitary.
I legitimately thought it was a skunk 🦨 Is it not a skunk??
I would have loved if every time Trelawny predicts Harry’s demise is that it would correspond with the way a Horcrux was destroyed. Two snake bites (diary and cup), stabbed twice (ring and locket), fire (diadem), magic (Harry), and head cut off (nagini).
Just FYI, a polecat is a skunk (possibly a ferret or weasel or something of that nature, but generally a skunk).
Being "in your shirt sleeves" means without a jacket. It's not something you generally see in modern times, but, there are some people that always wear a jacket or suit, and it's a very informal look to be without one.
It's an Iltis in German which would be a wild ferret just like in the movie. A weasel would be called a weasel.
@@sawanna508 Yeah, here in America, where true Polecats aren't native, the term polecat generally refers to a skunk. In Europe, after some research, it seems to refer to several species of weasel, most often certain varieties of ferrets. As this is written by a British author, we can reasonably assume she did indeed mean a ferret.
"The club--an attack!" Could be referring to Harry getting knocked out at the quidditch match by the Dementors.
I remember my first time on a horse... I was set up on the saddle with no instructions. It took off running and it took everything my 10 year old self had to just hang on... It wasn't exactly a hippogriff but...
This is my favourite Malfoy line from all of the books.
You'd Better Hurry Up, They'll Be Waiting For 'The Chosen Captain'. 'The Boy Who Scored' Whatever They Call You These Days."
Maybe because Hermione was the only student taking all those three elective classes… that’s why McGonagall started the negotiations for the time turner…
Maybe other years there was more overlapping of students and the schedule had to be more conventional (different classes at different times for the same grade year)
Also since it seems like a teacher at hogwarts teaches all 7 years (or 5 for electives) so they also have to fit all those years into a teachers time table. Although that being said it seems like a wiser choice to give a teacher a time turner rather than a 13 year old. Even if the 13 year old in question is Hermione
@@maxwell9211 But Hermione is not the only student who takes Arithmancy, Muggle Studies and Ancient Rune. She is just the only Griffindor who takes them. ( Ernie takes one of those subjects too for example).
You were talking about the crazy scheduling of 3rd year classes. In Scotland in 00s this sort of seems normal. Because at my school had 8 subjects, 6 of which were mandatory and the other 2 were from a choice of 5 or 6 subjects which happened simultaneously. So JKR was probably just basing the schedule against what is the norm in the country it's based in.
Please continue to do your studio episodes even when you do the live stuff! Record the studio episodes first then do your life stuff, and upload them separately!
You two having this conversation without an audience is PERFECTION. The live stuff is awesome but for people who can’t be there we want to hear you boys just talk amongst yourselves. We don’t need random people shouting out stuff!
Only just started this episode but loving it already, especially seeing the length of the episode 😊
EDIT: I’ve taken the live episodes out of my playlist because it’s just not the same as the podcast we’ve come to know and love.
I 1000000% Agree with this, I literally comment the same thing on every upload since the first live episode
@@bryce5631This is a weak, untrue, and unnecessarily defensive response to polite criticism.
While I personally disagree and enjoy both I do like the idea of uploading both :) hope they see this and consider it
Schedule mayhem is Hagrids fault. Before lunch, he's busy with Groundskeeper tasks, classes in the afternoon, and then assume more groundskeeping
HEY BROTHER(S)!!!!
I love 90+ min episodes & the fact that 5 mins in and you havent even started on the chapter yet. Really enjoying this podcast each week, boys!
Yall should consider doing livestream episodes. May be a good hybrid to avoid the crowd interruptions (it didn't bother me, personally) and still get live interaction.
I think you guys would rock doing livestreams.
Of course there will be moments that you can't edit out, but you guys are pros. Your "bad" moments are still gonna be great.
@@PaddyMcShane Oy. I don't consider audience PARTICIPATION an interuption
I literally said it doesnt bother ME.
Not the same can be said firnmany others who comment as such. @kimgrod
Hagrid has a job and works for his keep, darn-it! 😅 he can’t be bothered to begin teaching til afternoon when the work’s done
Sirius broke into the castle on Halloween not the 16th of October
I don't know, I laughed every time J pretended to faint.
Oh thank god no live audience this week!
1. I think Hagrid's classes start later so he can take care of his gamekeeper/Keeper of Keys and Grounds duties
2. Do you think before the war there used to be more electives and they just didn't feelbthe roles afterwards
3. Maybe if Dumbledore didn't have 3 jobs he could teach an Alchemy class
I figured the third-year timetables were just on the table and George handed them out. I'm not surprised that someone on the team already knows the Quidditch schedule :)
I think it is the same every year anyway.
Sirius broke into the Gryffindor common room on Halloween, not October 16th.
In English schools, there are often option 'blocks' to make students choose subjects. I remember in my secondary school History and Geography was always in the same block so you could only choose one.
Yup. Same in Australia but I’m guessing it’d be the same in the US. When I was in high school 20 years ago they used software to put in your preferences, and classes wouldn’t happen if there wasn’t enough interest, but most optional subjects were opposed for good reason. Metalwork vs Computer Science. Or Sports Science vs Art. And the teachers would have to come back and say that you can either do this or that because of the numbers.
Same with French or Spanish
While this was never explicitly stated to us, I believe this was the same way in my US high school. I remember the system we used to select classes would block out some of the electives when we chose others. I always just assumed it was related to the credits given to ensure we had the right credits in the right areas to graduate, but scheduling conflicts would make a lot of sense.
What I always thought was: Because the teachers know for such a long period in advance which subjects the students chose and they are given individual schedules it stands to reason that each subject is taught to multiple groups of students if necessary so that everyone can choose everything. Except that if you choose too many, you need to attend to "groups" that are scheduled at the same time and you get a time turner. I think Hermione also says that she drops another class so that her time table is back to a regular one. That couldn't be the case if she assigned to every class, they are organized in slots and there are three classes per slot.
Gentlemen, this was one of your finest episodes yet. I especially enjoyed the section about Trelawney acting like a carney psychic with all the cold reading and vagueries that fit your perceptions and the examples sealed it.
I merely wanted to mention that Hermione's reaction to Trelawney's fraudulent behaviour in comparison to Lockhart could also originate from the fact that she had a schoolgirl crush on a handsome, older man and she was blinded to his faults and dismissed them as they surfaced. She also worshipped the written word at that point, so that could play a part.
The same biases don't apply in the case of Trelawney, because the subject on a whole is interpretive rather than concrete which her mind rebels against it and thus, she was bad at the subject and was clearly inclined to see the faults that Trelawney displayed to an extreme. Her callous disregard for Lavender's feelings was a prime example of her dislike for the subject and is carried over to the last book by displaying a general dismissiveness of non-standard magic like Luna's creatures or the Deathly Hallows.
P.S: Both Ron and Harry fail their O.W.Ls as they both got a Poor whilst Acceptable is the final passing grade for any subject.
Polecat is a ferret or weasel.
A roan is a horse’s coat color that is a mix of light and dark hairs…similar to a merle coat color in dogs. Mixing sorrel/chestnut hair with gray (white) hairs gives an overall pinkish color - think Chili and Bingo from Bluey.
Love the show guys it's so nice to have all your theories organized in one long chronological read through. I've long been accepting nearly all of what you guys say as canon for harry and Pixar.
What do you think would've happened if lilly had just given in and made petunia prettier? Is there a world where she's not magic averse, doesn't settle for Vernon the bigot, and Harry isn't abused?
Keep up the great work!
Beater: absolutely crushes a bludger and sends it straight at the opposing keeper
Hagrid: catches it and throws it back at them "you'll have to try harder than that ya git!"
Professor Sybill Trelawney is my alter ego at Barnes and Noble for the last few Harry Potter midnight book releases. Good times were had by all! 🧙🏻
I would NOT trust a schedule handed to me by George PrankGod Weasley
Your point at the beginning about the community was lovely to hear. This pod is my new favourite thing! Absolutely loving it guys, makes me so happy to think theres literally years more of this to come
Jay with his dogs out front and center is crazy
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Yea...a little distracting
The first magic noticed, of course not by the Dursley's, are owls flying around outside their house during the day. Next is a cat reading a map. Thanks for my Sunday morning analysis. Enjoying it fully.
Trelawney’s grandmother was Cassandra, and that’s definitely on purpose lol. In Greek mythology, Cassandra was a priestess that could foresee but she was cursed to never be believed.
Let's do this. Time to make Sunday Pancakes!
It's only Hermione's schedule that is so wonky, because she's doing all the electives. There's no overlap at all for the students that just signed up for the usual two or three. And there are mixed houses for the other subjects and not all of the classes conflict. Later on in Ch 12, Ron states that Ernie Macmillian has told him that Hermione hasn't missed a Muggle Studies class and notes half of them are at the same time as Divination.
My copy of PoA is British and does not have chapter art. What she says about books and spells, lol. Divination class--different side to students: we find out who has and hasn't heard of the Grim, Hermione's skepticism and backtalk to Trelawney, Harry's loss of temper about people wondering if he'll die or not, and, later at lunch then Transfiguration, Hermione's and McGonagall's matter-of-fact reactions.
The term "in shirtsleeves" is one I grew up with on an AFB. It means going around wearing a shirt but no coat or jacket (Hagrid is generally described as always wearing a moleskin overcoat). It is a term from a time when formal dress was more common and everyday.
1:29:25 I'm sure you'll catch this when you get there but Trelawney wad being hired to fill a position and Dumbledore wasnt even sure if he wanted to continue offering Divination, so Divination was definitely offered for Voldemort and Crouch Jr. It seems like its a more recent thing to be skeptical about in the wizarding world.
I love that you guys are doing a tour on the West coast and have done one on the East coast. I really really really hope that you intend to do one here in the middle of the country. You know, for those of us who can't jet off to either coast at the drop of the hat. I would love to be at one of these and meet you two and your awesome team. I'm sure other fans around here would agree.
If you choose Omaha, NE for one of them or Lincoln, NE we have lots of place here that would work. We also just have lots of great places I think you two would enjoy visiting. We have the Henry Doorly Zoo in Omaha, along with the Durham Museum, a beautiful greenhouse garden called Lauritzen Gardens, the wonderful Joclyn Art Museum, and lots more. While Lincoln is smaller, we still have lots of great places here.
Sorry for turning this into a Travel Promo for my home state, but I think there would be lots of places in the middle of the country that would be great for a Through the Griffin Tour Central/Midwest.
PS. I love these along with your main channel!
Thanks, from a fellow TH-camr.
I enjoyed hearing you guys talk about spending time at Lake Champlain. When I was little, I lived on the New York side in a village called Champlain, which itself was in the town called Champlain.
28:46: As someone who went to a small High School, I would often have classes where I was the only student. so if that's what Hermione's doing, I can relate.
@16:35 Sirius broke in on Halloween, not on Oct 16th
George probably has all the info because he had already been in trouble the first day back (likely for something he did last year and wasn't discovered until summer break cleaning) and was called to the office giving him the opportunity to snoop and likely was delegated the duty of handing out schedules as a punishment for said rule breaking as no house had yet earned points to remove.
To be "in shirtsleeves" is a formal way of saying informal. Basically, not wearing a jacket/vest/sportcoat, just wearing a shirt.
15:07 That might have something to do with her ancestor - Cassandra.
In Greek Myth, the oracle Cassandra was always right but (because of possibly a curse) nobody ever believed her.
If Malfoy were a girl, Ginny would have to face a fierce competition
LOL, No sitting in his shirtsleeves simply means he's not wearing his coat or vest- he's just wearing a shirt
I must really enjoy these episodes. I have restarted this one like 5 times at this point. There is a huge storm coming through the Orlando area where I live and we have lost power really quick 4-5 times at this point. Granted I think the little area I live has sketchy power because I live near the farms and lakes in Clermont.
The trio struggling to find the north tower and then arriving to find their classmates all already there sounds just like my experience at college, where I would frequently miss most of first period because no one had told me that the lesson was in a different part of campus, only to find everyone else there when I eventually found the class.
It didn’t help that I had never needed to find my own way from class to class before, since the teachers at my old school, where I’d been since Year 3, had treated me like a small child (aside from when they rolled out the old “you’re a big lad now, you should know better” speech) right up until the day that I left, so I was used to just being ferried from one class to another.
I think the previouse divination teacher is retiring and Dumbledore didn´t want to continue the lessons but out of courtesy for her famous seer grandmother (or greatgranmother Casandra) he goes to interview her.
Also I think Alchemy is taught in Hogwarts sometime before Dumbledore is headmaster, I think there is something about it on wizardingworld. They also had kind of drama classes during the time Dumbledore was teaching transfiguation, they did a christmas pantomime of the fountain of fair fortune from the tales of Beedle the bard, but it ended in fiery disaster.
Draco making fun of Harry nonstop reminds me a lot of memes.
And his reenactments of Harry fainting are basically a gif.
I had no idea what you were talking about when you were saying "circa dugin" then I realized it's sir cadogen. I always thought it was pronounced "cad-oh-gen"
Shirtsleeves is an old-fashioned way of saying someone is wearing a shirt without a coat, vest, waistcoat, etc. I like your interpretation better 😂
Idk if someone commented this but I think when Trelawney asks if Neville’s grandmother is doing well, it seems more like she’s seeing into the future of her at St. Mungo’s in the OotP with Neville when Harry meets Neville’s parents. Could also be the Snape dressing up as her, but idk how she could confuse Snape for an elderly woman.
I can't wait for ya'll to address S.P.E.W in GOF... it was honestly so messed up that only Hermione cared about how terribly Winky is treated, and it *always* bothered me. Harry is so apathetic.
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He never really changes either. One of the last things he thinks about in the entire series is Kreacher bringing him a sandwich.
Probably because he has met the elves and knows that they are very brainwashed and servitude is deeply embedded in their culture. It will take years of re-education to undo that. Hermione should also know that, but she is in full throes of youthful activism
@@coolnerdlll6053 I know, that part is infuriating to me 😂
I think they will kinda say its bad and gloss over most of it a per usual, i like them but theyre not very talkative about the hard topics in and around HP
@@havewissmart9602 I know. I honestly like the pay offs - kreacher leading the house elves in the battle of hogwarsts, ron expressing concern over the elves which leads to his and hermione's first kiss. I just wish rowling had resolved it more humanely rather than falling on a lazy excuse of "they like it that way."
An easy fix for the elective classes being at the same time is that they draw up the time tables based on student's choices. After all, there are new time table's every year. What's more jarring is when later we learn there is another exam at the same time as *Charms* which is a core class that everyone needs to take. We'll see if it's brought up when we get to the chapter.
Re: Malfoy going on _ad nauseum_ about Harry fainting in front of a dementor, my family had a saying about jokes,
"Once it rings
twice it clinks
and three times it stinks."
Then if you were going for the tweak, you'd say, "But in your case, the first time it stinks."
I think the "is your grandmother well? I wouldn't be so sure" is because she saw in the future and saw Nevilles grandmother in the hospital visiting Nevilles parents in Order of the Phoenix
Roan is the main color in the animals coat is thickly interspersed with another color typically describing horses or cows like a red roan horse
Great to hear you guys are taking on some of the criticism from the live eps! I think it was so harsh beacuse people love the podcast so much and love to hear Ben and Jay’s ideas and thoughts more than anything. Keep up the great work and loving the production quality lately!
LOL. Picturing Hagrid on Sirius’ motorbike, with the sidecar, playing keeper😅
Before showing Harry the profecy in year 5, Dumbledore tells Harry "I had gone there to see an applicant for the post of divination, though it was against my inclination to allow the subject of divination to continue at all." So it was already available before Trelawny started. He also, when talking to Harry in year 6 about Trelawny and Firenzi, says something about not foreseeing the issues with his divination classes "having never studied the subject myself." Which to me, it implies that it was not offered at the time. A power hungry 12-13 year old Dumbledore would have, not only, taken every class available, but also would have wanted to know more about his future.
I have to wonder if Grindelwald being a known Seer would make Dumbledore more or less likely to pursue Divination. On the one hand, you know it works, but on the other, you already have easy access to it without studying it, and there might also be a visible difference between the subject being taught and the genuine seer abilities he sees in Grindelwald that makes him think the class is only a pale imitation of the real thing.
Though I have a suspicion none of this actually matters, because my vague recollection is that he only meets Grindelwald after school, or at least when he's a few years into it already. Too late to use him as a consideration on whether to take the class or not. So "it was never taught" might still be on the table.
@@riluna3695 I really only go off of the books for my info. I saw a little bit of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them that made me realize it can't be Canon and while I like the movies, I like them more like I would fanfic. JK is not a great writer when she planned the whole story, so going back and adding to it was a fail, in my opinion. (and probably not just mine since they cut off what was supposed to be a longer series)
Dumbledore did meet Grindlewald after he had graduated from Hogwarts. He may have learned something from him, and that may be the reason he was against divination continuing to be taught, but I don't think Dumbledore put much stock in it as a form of magic. Or, because of his fear of Grindlewald, he was just afraid of divination.
Back in school (in France) we had two classes at the same time. We had week A and week B with different schedule so it never bother me 😅
Harry: Malfoy, 🎶 why you so obsessed with me? 🎶
Mean Girls reference? 😏
“Shirtsleeves” is common in the Uk. It just means that you’re wearing a shirt and no jacket. There’s a common Scottish idiom “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations” which means essentially that a family starts off with nothing, accumulates wealth, but ends up back where they started, losing everything. :)