Throw a 34mm mikuni and header with a little stiffer valve springs and you will be happy. The carb alone even without a header makes a huge difference in power
@@caseymoore9737 what size pilot and main jet is inside the\your 34mm mikuni ? I just got me a 459cc and want to go the cheaper PWK flatslide 34mm carb route, be awesome to know the jetting size as a reference point to aim for. Cheers
From someone who hurt their back lifting something heavy while bending over, young and didn't think, get your self an engine lift or something like that to put those engines into those frames. I was working as a hod carrier and reached over and picked up two bags of cement at 94lbs per bag and my back has never been the same. I was 20 years old at the time and strong as hell, I weighed 154lbs and could pick up 4 five gallon buckets of mortar and carry them. I started working as a hod carrier for my dad at around 10 and nobody taught me how to properly lift nor stressed the importance of lifting properly. Still at the end of the day it was my decision to move those two bags at once instead of doing it one at a time. Either way I deal with daily back pain now so be smart and be careful with your back.
Note the Yellow spring on the rear driven pulley. if it inward facing it would be a red spring. They usually come with red springs but tend to have more clearance when run this way outward. Not an issue with the kit but I have always made my own jackshaft holder for the rear driven because i am cheap lol. Its a pain. and tensioning the belt vs the chain is a pain too the cheap way. always needed a chain tensioner which makes more noise and places to fail and they do.
I purchased the 459cc for a golf cart I'm doing. Haven't mounted it yet, but I'm super excited based on the videos you have up. The one part I really need is the exhaust header! I'm not really going away from stock except to the air intake and exhaust (due to space requirements).
Great content as always, your banter and craziness cracks me up! The videos where you guys are just having fun are the best. Can’t wait for the next deuce video.
I liked your comparison video. I am really excited to see the videos on the performance parts videos. Thanks. Just so you know, I watch most of Cars and Cameras videos and I think you are far ahead on construction, fabrication, shop efficiency, and almost all respects of a little engine shop. That is one reason that I am a patreon of "Red Beard's Garage".
First visit to the channel. I liked your analysis of the 2 motors. It wasn't what i wanted to hear… it was what i was going to hear. That's good for everything in life. Stay true to yourself & everybody you come into contact with. Thank you for sharing!
Driver is on backwards…. Which people tend to do on the 40 converters. This is mentioned a few times below in the comments and is true. The driver is fine to be mounted “backwards” just shim the driven to line up.
I just bought a 459 yesterday It's going in my ez go gxt-804. Glad i saw this video The original 2 cylinder in the cart was terrible. Best way to run a pulse pump?
I have a predator 420 with a stage 1 and a torque converter on a 2 seater off road buggy thing. The torque converter keeps slipping and burning and I have no idea how to remedy it. It’s at the point where it will kill my project entirely if I can’t find a way to effectively connect the engine to the wheels any tips or suggestions?
At the very least, if you're trying to cut down on wind noise while recording, for the go pro, they make a simple foam housing that does a pretty solid job of cutting down on wind noise. Or if you're handy with foam carving, you can make your own for cheap. It's not one of those items that go pro really advertises, but it's worth trying out
When you went up the road and it hit the governor. I would say, it was where the cvt didn't push the belt up quick enough so it was in its lower gear for pulling off thn hit the governor and that split second the belt did it's thing and "changed gear" moved from small on the engine to moving up to change gears and gets smaller on the other end for top speed. On a scooter it has rollers in the variator pully on the engine and you can change the weight of thm witch will change whn it starts moving the belt so you're able to keep it at an rpm where the power band is for full power💯💯💯👍👍👍👌👌
On the surface, I wouldn’t want either one for my kart. That cart was creeping through the woods. That’s the kind of power for maybe an 11-15 yr olds. I do understand the video for the sake of comparison and thanks for that. I freaking love your channel
I bought a 420 and cut down the crank shaft for my generator. With more hp it will start my furnace now. The 459 would be better but wasn’t out when I did that. I did install a billet rod in it before I put it in.
I just installed the 459 cc engine in a utility S X S . I need help wiring the ignition switch to the engine and do away with the rocker start switch. Thank You. I love your videos.
Great Video, I think you definitely need to get Rid of the Governor. I have a Brand New 420cc Predator Engine that has sat in my Garage for 3 Years. I need to find a Go Csrt Frame for it. I would love to find a old Honda Oddesy Frame. I would also like to buil up the Engine. Thanks for the Video.
I liked my built 212 compared to my 420 which had stiffer springs and 34 mm mikuni just for the fact my 212 had the black mamba can and never stopped revving up, pretty sure past 10,000 rpms. Wasnt as fast off the line but would smoke the 420 in the long run
@@caseG80 I don't know about you guys but pretty often for me, thats why I'm building a street legal 440cc 2 speed bike that should do more than 100 mph and cruise around 70 mph just to keep up with traffic. What I meant with that comment tho is after a long distance it doesn't have to be 100 miles I was just making an example of a long distance. Those 212cc run good but push them a little hard and it'll crap itself
Hi RBG, just wondering if your still doing any projects with the 459cc? I'm using mine on a long tail mud motor. Been working ok for me, have heard some are saying their mud motor setups with the same engine are bogging down. Is there any performance upgrades you recommend. Anything you would not do? I know for my purpose do not disconnect the Low Engine oil sensor. Thanks Rangers... Lead the Way!
Do you have to buy the torque converter Cvt kit or can you buy the motor and set it up with out it. I have a go kart that has a old 10hp robin subaru with the torque converter
Found this video while searching for engine replacements for my sons go kart. What a great video. You do a really good job of demonstrating what you're talking about. Question: will the 420cc Predator fit in my sons Coleman KT196?
Mine appears to have a pressure switch connected to an electronic circuit that cuts the ignition. The circuit has a short delay to let the engine start. With the pressure switch unplugged the engine runs. You can install a T and keep the protection. Mine has had some issues starting in very cold weather, where I had to unplug the pressure switch to get it started.
This video really surprised me. I used to have a little 1 seater with a bone stock 212 on it and the governor shut it off right around 40 and it had about the same acceleration as the stock 420 on that cart. It's crazy to see how big of a difference tire size, weight and gearing can really make with these small engines. I'd love to have that 459 on my old go kart lol
For a large pressure washer you think it would be worth the extra money for the 459? Or just stick with the 420 I’ll definitely be pushing the limits of a typical 13hp engine with the pump I’m going with.
I’ve got a 2012 John Deere RSX850i side by side motor is junk comes stock with 62 hp I’m thinking of fabricating a new motor that’s more reliable not really needing the speed but reliability is a must any recommendations?
could i stick a snowmobile engine in one of these??? im looking for a beat up frame like that since i already have a couple of sleds with reverse.. juts wonderingg how much engine space theior really is
Awesome video! I do need some help is there any way to contact you to run some ideas by? I’ve got a Manco 606 and I just purchased predator 459 today. It was previously all stock with a Suzuki 169 cc in now I need a new engine mounting kit/plate. Do you know where I can get one?
Tengo un motor 420cc ,me gustaría saber si es muy débil si se trabaja con un centrifugal clutch y que tan potente puede ser ??? Me gustan mucho sus videos ,un saludo desde Costa Rica América central 💯💯
I acquired a brand new predator 420 engine from a generator, but it has a short stubby tapered shaft on it. So I’m thinking I need to replace the crank with a 3 inch keyed shaft. I am eliminating the low oil sensor, and the governor since I have it apart. should I upgrade the crank or do other performance mods since I have to buy a crank?
Both definitions are correct cvt or torque converter . Torque converter transmits torque from the engine to the driven load which is exactly what it is doing on this go cart or a minibike .
You would probably have issues with oil draining from the head and the dipper probably won't do a good job of slinging oil. Predator makes a few vertical shaft engines
Hello i recently purchased a used honda clone that i assume was a race kart engine. When i went to adjust the valve lash i noticed the springs were bigger and longer than stock and painted yellow. What kind of springs are these? I also noticed that the cam had a very light duration to the lobes with numbers etched on the side. The numbers are 10-5-104 in big numbers. Does anyone know what these numbers mean? Is this like a box stock cheater cam? Any info would help. Thanks!
I picked the 459cc up to replace a 420 in a Yamaha G2. I'm still looking for an exhaust flange so I can weld up a new header. It's 1-1/2 ID and I think the bolt a 2-3/8 center to center. Does anyone know where we can buy that from? You can get 1-1/2 "OD header pipe from Amazon, but the header flange is the mystery. I also can't fist the aftermarket OMB type air filter upgrade on because it's too close to the frame. Is there a way to come off of that 62mm piece with a close 90 deg and then go to the filter. I ride on a very dusty roads and it killed my 420. Is there a flat air box available for these engines? Thanks RB!
I have the same engine, but for this 40 Series 1" Torque converter its asking me if i want a 3/4 driven pulley or a 7/8 driven pulley... what does that even mean and do? And which do i want
Bought the 459 last week for a go cart I’m re doing. I’m looking forward to the future mods for this motor! Thank you
Right on!
Throw a 34mm mikuni and header with a little stiffer valve springs and you will be happy. The carb alone even without a header makes a huge difference in power
How fast does it go?
@@caseymoore9737 what size pilot and main jet is inside the\your 34mm mikuni ? I just got me a 459cc and want to go the cheaper PWK flatslide 34mm carb route, be awesome to know the jetting size as a reference point to aim for. Cheers
@@RedBeardsGaragequick question i have same buggy. What rims and tires are you running
Dude I've only recently discovered your channel and you've blown up over 7 years . I'm happy for you man. Congrats .
From someone who hurt their back lifting something heavy while bending over, young and didn't think, get your self an engine lift or something like that to put those engines into those frames. I was working as a hod carrier and reached over and picked up two bags of cement at 94lbs per bag and my back has never been the same. I was 20 years old at the time and strong as hell, I weighed 154lbs and could pick up 4 five gallon buckets of mortar and carry them. I started working as a hod carrier for my dad at around 10 and nobody taught me how to properly lift nor stressed the importance of lifting properly. Still at the end of the day it was my decision to move those two bags at once instead of doing it one at a time. Either way I deal with daily back pain now so be smart and be careful with your back.
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@@Parents_of_Twins fix your back with peptides
Note the Yellow spring on the rear driven pulley. if it inward facing it would be a red spring. They usually come with red springs but tend to have more clearance when run this way outward. Not an issue with the kit but I have always made my own jackshaft holder for the rear driven because i am cheap lol. Its a pain. and tensioning the belt vs the chain is a pain too the cheap way. always needed a chain tensioner which makes more noise and places to fail and they do.
I purchased the 459cc for a golf cart I'm doing. Haven't mounted it yet, but I'm super excited based on the videos you have up. The one part I really need is the exhaust header! I'm not really going away from stock except to the air intake and exhaust (due to space requirements).
How did it work out? A friend wants to do the same I am interested to see/hear if it was a good addition.
As I've said in another video, where the 224 & 212 were compared: I'd say the torque curve was the deciding factor in the results.
And the reinforced block is huge, pretty much puts it in the same class as the tilotson
224 has a plastic cam gear
Great content as always, your banter and craziness cracks me up! The videos where you guys are just having fun are the best. Can’t wait for the next deuce video.
Just discovered this channel, and man I love it!! Awesome content
Welcome aboard!
Love the comparison videos. Thanks for great content.
Thanks for watching!
I liked your comparison video. I am really excited to see the videos on the performance parts videos. Thanks. Just so you know, I watch most of Cars and Cameras videos and I think you are far ahead on construction, fabrication, shop efficiency, and almost all respects of a little engine shop. That is one reason that I am a patreon of "Red Beard's Garage".
We appreciate you being here!
Definitely Should Leave Those rims & tires on that go cart & have the frame painted blue with a silver flake it would look sooooo good
Vă mulțumim pentru modul detaliat de prezentare.....Succes in tote proectele...
Emotional Damage @ 18min. I was like, "Its a turd!" Then you realized the stop still in place. You're a master of suspense
First visit to the channel.
I liked your analysis of the 2 motors. It wasn't what i wanted to hear… it was what i was going to hear. That's good for everything in life. Stay true to yourself & everybody you come into contact with.
Thank you for sharing!
Driver is on backwards…. Which people tend to do on the 40 converters. This is mentioned a few times below in the comments and is true. The driver is fine to be mounted “backwards” just shim the driven to line up.
Those are great tires I put them on everything I have. Carlisle all trail. All kinds of grip. & never wear out
This is awesome! Wish some of you powersports channels were closer too me. I'd love too help out with projects like this
Great video guys! Fun to watch!
I just bought a 459 yesterday It's going in my ez go gxt-804. Glad i saw this video The original 2 cylinder in the cart was terrible. Best way to run a pulse pump?
Intake spacer that has a pulse inlet on it
Got mine today, can't wait for your build. Great work.
Awesome! Thank you!
I have a predator 420 with a stage 1 and a torque converter on a 2 seater off road buggy thing. The torque converter keeps slipping and burning and I have no idea how to remedy it. It’s at the point where it will kill my project entirely if I can’t find a way to effectively connect the engine to the wheels any tips or suggestions?
I'll be getting a 459 after I wear out the 390 I have, hopefully more will be available by then.
Where did you get those rims and tires?
At the very least, if you're trying to cut down on wind noise while recording, for the go pro, they make a simple foam housing that does a pretty solid job of cutting down on wind noise. Or if you're handy with foam carving, you can make your own for cheap. It's not one of those items that go pro really advertises, but it's worth trying out
When you went up the road and it hit the governor. I would say, it was where the cvt didn't push the belt up quick enough so it was in its lower gear for pulling off thn hit the governor and that split second the belt did it's thing and "changed gear" moved from small on the engine to moving up to change gears and gets smaller on the other end for top speed. On a scooter it has rollers in the variator pully on the engine and you can change the weight of thm witch will change whn it starts moving the belt so you're able to keep it at an rpm where the power band is for full power💯💯💯👍👍👍👌👌
Thank you so much for this!!!
No problem 😊
Thanks for the cool videos and GOD BLESS you too man.
This is the coolest channel on youtube ❤
459 because it's already in my shed waiting for better weather. Yeah boy!
Do you have to have the CVT and if you don’t will it make it a lot slower
first time watching.. u guys are pretty cool. earned my sub bro
Awesome! I'd go with the 459 just for the tourque!
I'm glad I found your channel. Thanks.
Welcome!
What torque converter do you recommend if I will eventually upgrade the 459 but don't want to buy 2 converters.
On the surface, I wouldn’t want either one for my kart. That cart was creeping through the woods. That’s the kind of power for maybe an 11-15 yr olds. I do understand the video for the sake of comparison and thanks for that. I freaking love your channel
Glad to have you here!
I bought a 420 and cut down the crank shaft for my generator. With more hp it will start my furnace now. The 459 would be better but wasn’t out when I did that. I did install a billet rod in it before I put it in.
Nice!!
i did one but the cvt belt keep burning any suggestions? THANK YOU!!!!!! 😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔
What tooth axle sprocket and torque converter spricket are you running on this set up?
72 tooth and a 40 series
Thank you! I'm trying to get away from the setup that I have that resulted In no low end. That 459 max setup looks perfect.
I just installed the 459 cc engine in a utility S X S . I need help wiring the ignition switch to the engine and do away with the rocker start switch. Thank You. I love your videos.
Great Video, I think you definitely need to get Rid of the Governor. I have a Brand New 420cc Predator Engine that has sat in my Garage for 3 Years. I need to find a Go Csrt Frame for it. I would love to find a old Honda Oddesy Frame. I would also like to buil up the Engine. Thanks for the Video.
Nice work!
Love the low end torque on the new engine pluss pressure lubrication is way better
That just looked like fun rides regardless to the engine.The 459 seemed to really pour on the torque earlier though.
I liked my built 212 compared to my 420 which had stiffer springs and 34 mm mikuni just for the fact my 212 had the black mamba can and never stopped revving up, pretty sure past 10,000 rpms. Wasnt as fast off the line but would smoke the 420 in the long run
But after 100 miles non stop your 212 would blow up and my 420 would be running without a problem.
@@str8xrippin how often do you go 100 miles nonstop on one of these?
@@caseG80 I don't know about you guys but pretty often for me, thats why I'm building a street legal 440cc 2 speed bike that should do more than 100 mph and cruise around 70 mph just to keep up with traffic. What I meant with that comment tho is after a long distance it doesn't have to be 100 miles I was just making an example of a long distance. Those 212cc run good but push them a little hard and it'll crap itself
Hi RBG, just wondering if your still doing any projects with the 459cc? I'm using mine on a long tail mud motor. Been working ok for me, have heard some are saying their mud motor setups with the same engine are bogging down. Is there any performance upgrades you recommend. Anything you would not do? I know for my purpose do not disconnect the Low Engine oil sensor. Thanks
Rangers... Lead the Way!
Hey man, what clutch do I need for a predator 420 on a yerf dog go kart? Been trying to figure out which one for a few days now!
30 series torque converter.
Do you have to buy the torque converter Cvt kit or can you buy the motor and set it up with out it. I have a go kart that has a old 10hp robin subaru with the torque converter
Found this video while searching for engine replacements for my sons go kart. What a great video. You do a really good job of demonstrating what you're talking about. Question: will the 420cc Predator fit in my sons Coleman KT196?
How do you use the golf cart wheels
We use the hubs located in the videos description on the rear and lug adapters on the front
Thanks for the information 👍🙂🙏
Yip after watching the two motor show down 8 times over I like the new one 459cc😁🎉👌 allsome work guys from cruzermans inventions 😁🎉
In process of installing a 459 in a FL250. I would like to run an oil pressure gauge but need the low oil sensor deleted. Will this be possible?
Mine appears to have a pressure switch connected to an electronic circuit that cuts the ignition. The circuit has a short delay to let the engine start. With the pressure switch unplugged the engine runs. You can install a T and keep the protection. Mine has had some issues starting in very cold weather, where I had to unplug the pressure switch to get it started.
This video really surprised me. I used to have a little 1 seater with a bone stock 212 on it and the governor shut it off right around 40 and it had about the same acceleration as the stock 420 on that cart. It's crazy to see how big of a difference tire size, weight and gearing can really make with these small engines. I'd love to have that 459 on my old go kart lol
"it's crazy to see to see how big a difference...."
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RBG How did you get those size rim and tire on there? Is there a video. I have a Chinese go cart and the rims warp and twist eventually cracking.
Hello do u have any videos on a crossfire 150 with this type of motor installation
what engine would you sudgest murray hard drive with 22 inch tires in the back and what size sprocket please
So I have twister hameerheqd 150cc kart and was wanting to know the size of the front tires and maybe what battery to use?
What go cart is featured in this video? I see Maxxam decals, but would like to know if your willing to share. Wonderful content!
For a large pressure washer you think it would be worth the extra money for the 459? Or just stick with the 420 I’ll definitely be pushing the limits of a typical 13hp engine with the pump I’m going with.
Installing a 459 predator in my UTV. Can you help me with a manual choke thatcould be installed on this engine?
I have 2 420cc engines I did see those Dromax engines in the background what's your opinion on them are they just as good
I bought the 459 for a lawnmower im building and I'm wondering if I need a torque converter or just a clutch
Nice video and review do offer any service or builds on go carts'
What cvt do you recommend and set up for the 459
Would this be good replacement for golf cart that needs new engine
I’ve got a 2012 John Deere RSX850i side by side motor is junk comes stock with 62 hp I’m thinking of fabricating a new motor that’s more reliable not really needing the speed but reliability is a must any recommendations?
I have a question on a baja warrior i bought... I'm having trouble with the chain. Its rubbing against my new tires. Any suggestions
_i wanna see some stiffer contra spring and lighter rollers then test it again._
What size sprockets are you running?
What are you using for a reverse gear if you are or would add it.
What kind of rear shocks do you run on this buggy. I'm on my third set and can't find the right load range.
could i stick a snowmobile engine in one of these??? im looking for a beat up frame like that since i already have a couple of sleds with reverse.. juts wonderingg how much engine space theior really is
So how much do you consider a splash of that Lucus Zinc additive??
Would you recommend the 40 series torque converter or the 780 with this 459?
I'm wondering the same thing... he is using the 40 but I seen a video and everyone was saying 780
Maybe a dumb question, are the torque converter kits the same for the 420 and the 212 ?
Awesome video! I do need some help is there any way to contact you to run some ideas by? I’ve got a Manco 606 and I just purchased predator 459 today. It was previously all stock with a Suzuki 169 cc in now I need a new engine mounting kit/plate. Do you know where I can get one?
I am looking to upgrade a kazuma coyote 150cc kart, would the 459 fit on this type cart?
Now the real question is how the 459 compares to the Duromax 420 and 440.
426 Hemi 😆
Omg love it good job bro
Tengo un motor 420cc ,me gustaría saber si es muy débil si se trabaja con un centrifugal clutch y que tan potente puede ser ??? Me gustan mucho sus videos ,un saludo desde Costa Rica América central 💯💯
Im putting this motor into a cart I'm building, what size rear sprocket would you recommend? I'm looking for more top end speed.
a bigger one
I acquired a brand new predator 420 engine from a generator, but it has a short stubby tapered shaft on it. So I’m thinking I need to replace the crank with a 3 inch keyed shaft. I am eliminating the low oil sensor, and the governor since I have it apart. should I upgrade the crank or do other performance mods since I have to buy a crank?
What torque converter is that can you link it for me please for the max performance engine I just got one and I need one for my go kart
It's A good videos. I would use either one just cause I'm A little bit of A wrench.& gear head myself on things like those to.
I love you for calling it a cvt like it is. Instead of a "torque converter "
I'm giving you a like which I never do. In fact I purposely dislike videos that ask for likes because we know how youtube works.
Both definitions are correct cvt or torque converter . Torque converter transmits torque from the engine to the driven load which is exactly what it is doing on this go cart or a minibike .
Can i run a pretedor 212 horizontal shaft motor on its side? Like vertically?
You would probably have issues with oil draining from the head and the dipper probably won't do a good job of slinging oil. Predator makes a few vertical shaft engines
If you have a Chinese buggy can it still have the reverse if you put one of those motors
Would the 459 fit on a Coleman Ct200uex if removing the gas tank?
Just picked up a yamaha G2 with no engine for a screaming deal. Primary use will be off road and utility work so I think I'll go with the 459.
Is that entire garage/shop just for this lawnmower engine modifications stuff?
Please do a 440 duro max comparison to the 459
Hello i recently purchased a used honda clone that i assume was a race kart engine. When i went to adjust the valve lash i noticed the springs were bigger and longer than stock and painted yellow. What kind of springs are these? I also noticed that the cam had a very light duration to the lobes with numbers etched on the side. The numbers are 10-5-104 in big numbers. Does anyone know what these numbers mean? Is this like a box stock cheater cam? Any info would help. Thanks!
What kind of engine u recommend for a 4 seater go kart the original engine seems to weak I want a little more power
know what im goin to be savin up for!! 459!!
Did you take out the governor?
Will performance parts for the 420cc work for the 459cc? Air filter, jets, exhaust, ect?
Can you do a video on the gas tank delete for either the 420 or 459cc?
What’s the link for the torque converter ?
I picked the 459cc up to replace a 420 in a Yamaha G2. I'm still looking for an exhaust flange so I can weld up a new header. It's 1-1/2 ID and I think the bolt a 2-3/8 center to center. Does anyone know where we can buy that from? You can get 1-1/2 "OD header pipe from Amazon, but the header flange is the mystery. I also can't fist the aftermarket OMB type air filter upgrade on because it's too close to the frame. Is there a way to come off of that 62mm piece with a close 90 deg and then go to the filter. I ride on a very dusty roads and it killed my 420. Is there a flat air box available for these engines? Thanks RB!
I have the same engine, but for this 40 Series 1" Torque converter its asking me if i want a 3/4 driven pulley or a 7/8 driven pulley... what does that even mean and do? And which do i want