Angela Davis likens abolishing the prison system to end of slavery, 2011 | Best of George Strombo

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  • Former Black Panther Angela Davis likens abolishing the prison system to the end of slavery in the United States.
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  • @valq10
    @valq10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    People have been encouraged to equate vengeance with justice, but this is not so. Prof Davis is advocating for justice, yes, but justice based on healing rather than harming. I'm afraid those who consider her stupid failed to understand her point and may suffer from Dunning-Kruger syndrome... America claims to be a Christian nation but prefers to see pain inflicted on the guilty than see the guilty redeemed. As Jesus said: those who have not helped their brother in prison, have failed to help me.

    • @MimiSparkles
      @MimiSparkles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes!

    • @LeoSkyro
      @LeoSkyro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hoped this video would have her explain the actual concrete system she envisions as part of prison abolition, but i guess I'll have to research more.
      Imo punishment, while it's over fetishized in the US and most countries, is still a fundamental part of our legal system. But the problem is that rehabilitation and prevention often get completely ignored.
      definitely abolish private prisons, they're an atrocity

    • @joemccann5376
      @joemccann5376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Those first to mention dunning-kruger , usually suffer the most from it.

  • @lily_lxndr
    @lily_lxndr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Fantastic interview. People have a knee-jerk reaction to the notion of abolition, but Strombo gave her space to make a strong case

    • @adriannasmiths8262
      @adriannasmiths8262 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Get a Job

    • @lily_lxndr
      @lily_lxndr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adriannasmiths8262 I have a job! It’s this!

  • @alexmarkadonis7179
    @alexmarkadonis7179 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    The difference between for profit prisons with prisoner workers and slavery is akin to the difference between tomato paste and tomato sauce.

    • @alexmarkadonis7179
      @alexmarkadonis7179 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Gary Miller are you saying no criminals became criminals because of the environments they grew up in and the circumstances they had to respond to? You would arrest Jean Valjean wouldn't you?
      I am not opposed to forcing white collar criminals to do community service and surrender their assets to compensate victims and the community as a whole, but enslaving people, often for trumped up charges, is not right.
      Read the 13th Amendment. It does not abolish slavery so much as limit it. Nixon and Reagan could not criminalize leftists and black people, but they could criminalize and militate against their recreational drugs--drugs that are now profitable for big business interests and becoming legal again. On the subject of drugs, Reagan's CIA funded death squads by permitting the sale of crack in black communities.
      Death to the US Empire and its corporate masters. Life, freedom, justice, and peace to the US people.

    • @CarbonGlassMan
      @CarbonGlassMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexmarkadonis7179 You're a damn fool. Lots of people grow up in bad environments. Most of them do not become criminals. You're being ridiculous and seem almost proud of your refusal to think.

    • @adamgazurek3747
      @adamgazurek3747 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      One Look at your physionome tells it all

    • @l.w.paradis2108
      @l.w.paradis2108 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adamgazurek3747 Your argument is stunning.

  • @andyforsythe2565
    @andyforsythe2565 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    A society should be judged not but how it treats its outstanding citizen's but by how it treats it's criminals. Fyodor Dostoevsky.

    • @marxistloxistella-ist5179
      @marxistloxistella-ist5179 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      YES!

    • @mariedewitt5033
      @mariedewitt5033 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Angela Davis supplied guns to the Soledad brothers for a courthouse shooting making her number 1 on the FBI most wanted fugitive list. Of course she doesn't like jail. She is a felon.

    • @samuel9skinner
      @samuel9skinner 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mariedewitt5033 she literally was found not guilty and set free lmao

    • @asms_music417
      @asms_music417 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mariedewitt5033 you're saying that people who supply the guns that get used in a crime should be held accountable for that crime? let's think about this...

    • @luke3258
      @luke3258 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@asms_music417 lol if you put it that way the original commenter would have to call for the jailing of every gun, ammo, weapon manufacturer, as well as every Warhawk our country has seen, from Kissinger to every president we have ever had. I bet he would rethink that in an instant.

  • @blirdy1365
    @blirdy1365 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Feb 15, 2011.CBC - Best of George Strombo: "We live in a punishment society. People want their pound of flesh. Oftentimes they're not worried about recidivism. They're not worried about rehabilitation. It's that particular individual whose convicted of a crime needs to pay their debt to society. We're conditioned to hear about 'their debt to society.' So you have a culture of people that are interested in seeing the bad person go to jail." ~4:30

  • @martduenas
    @martduenas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Angela Davis was not a member of the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. She was involved with several community and social justice organizations that worked in alliance with members of the Black Panther Party around issues of poverty, anti-racism, policing, etc.

    • @Condobius
      @Condobius 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      She was actually a member of the Black Panther Party (the Self Defense bit was dropped after it came to national prominence) for a brief period, until the Party decided to disallow their members from being in other parties outside of the BPP - Davis chose to stick with her ties in the Communist Party but continued to work closely with the BPP. But yeah, Davis was a member of the Black Panther Party at one point

    • @pc4mlc451
      @pc4mlc451 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She ran guns for them.

  • @jaybirdlady1407
    @jaybirdlady1407 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A time to listen and learn from a survivor who has lived the life of a prisoner.

    • @sarahmurphy8030
      @sarahmurphy8030 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Her family on bothe sides were slave owners and came to America on the Mayflower.. let that sink in

    • @buddyguy4723
      @buddyguy4723 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She went to school in Germany and was sent to prison because weapons she owned were used to shoot people in the courtroom lol

  • @bryanwiley5511
    @bryanwiley5511 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Look - Listen - Learn.

  • @bnkundwa
    @bnkundwa ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is a privilege to be a graduate student. Very few are successful.

  • @Leutchik
    @Leutchik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    She says the educational system; and it's true - it totally sucks. so let's consider that maybe we need to throw a lot of money at this problem. well, that was tried Kansas City in the late 90s.
    For decades critics of the public schools have been saying, “You can’t solve educational problems by throwing money at them.” The education establishment and its supporters have replied, “No one’s ever tried.” In Kansas City, they did try. To improve the education of black students and encourage desegregation, a federal judge invited the Kansas City, Missouri, School District to come up with a cost‐​is‐​no‐​object educational plan and ordered local and state taxpayers to find the money to pay for it.
    Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil-more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers’ salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic‐​sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25‐​acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country.
    The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater integration.
    The Kansas City experiment suggests that, indeed, educational problems can’t be solved by throwing money at them, that the structural problems of our current educational system are far more important than a lack of material resources, and that the focus on desegregation diverted attention from the real problem, low achievement.

    • @jaqoffkuntz
      @jaqoffkuntz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I really enjoyed reading your thoughts on this.
      Additionally, investing in the educators is extremely important. That they have their resources, skill development, and lots of support and mentorship. They are shaping young minds and they need our support.

    • @jujube3736
      @jujube3736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The problem also rests on administration who will often times make rules that serve against the interests of teachers and students. Sometimes people like the school boards, superintendents, and school admin are more interested in the way their schools look as opposed to how they actually function.

    • @imperatorvult
      @imperatorvult 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      so why do you think achievement was/is low?

    • @andrewmartsch
      @andrewmartsch ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Being educated starts at home from the time you are born. We need to promote healthy homes for kids to be raised. People should wait to get married and have kids until they are mature enough so that their child isn’t raised in a broken home. A child needs both a mother and father to learn right from wrong and to be loved along with disciplined. The poor education system is not as destructive as a broken home.

  • @RandomMan10
    @RandomMan10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    you all are rooting for scumbags? les see how eager you would be to see a person that has killed a loved one get no sort of punishment

  • @jonathangagne525
    @jonathangagne525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So someone rapes, anyone, is not a crime?!

  • @ferrariunicorn
    @ferrariunicorn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I LOVE ANGELA DAVIS! Me & my daughter so much respect & admiration 🙏🏼♥️

    • @RandomMan10
      @RandomMan10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lets see if you would have the same adoration after some guy kills ur entire family and doesn't get any sort of punishment, just saying

  • @andrewmartsch
    @andrewmartsch ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Where would we keep the criminals who commit the worst crimes? Softer crimes might be easier to help but we can’t just expect them to go get educated without force. Doing crime is partly because you are uneducated but it’s mainly due to having a broken home. Typically one parent, an abusive family, drugs, or alcohol, or all combined. A good home with a family who raises their kids lovingly and properly will be way less likely to get into crime. I disagree with prison abolishment for murderers, rapists, and pretty much all crime since every crime deserves consequences. They have to face them one way or another.

  • @riseoverhere3054
    @riseoverhere3054 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes they should abolish prisons. Insane Asylums are way better then prison because insane asylums take care of people.

    • @riseoverhere3054
      @riseoverhere3054 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @IIIIIIII I was in mental hospital for six months and it was chill no violence and no gangs. I’m on meds for psychosis. I got diagnosed with psychosis.

  • @kr3642
    @kr3642 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Trying to find a list of her main idelogical positions has been an uphill battle for me. I want to go point by point and hear her out. I don't see how getting rid of prison and promoting literacy will stop crime. Bad people come in every flavor and education doesn't stop those that are intent on doing harm. What do we do with them then?

  • @l.w.paradis2108
    @l.w.paradis2108 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Read the Thirteenth Amendment: Prison is the only place in the United States where slavery was not abolished.

  • @umarabdullah5510
    @umarabdullah5510 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Imagine if the Prime Minister gave all non violent prisoners pardons and freed them from prison. It would save money and give many people a new chance at life.

    • @CarbonGlassMan
      @CarbonGlassMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No. It would release criminals back on the streets to commit more crimes. How is that not obvious?

    • @CarbonGlassMan
      @CarbonGlassMan ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mshah1193 No. The people in prison are not in there for the first time. Criminals commit crimes over and over.

  • @jonathangagne525
    @jonathangagne525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Let us go back to slavery, no wait, let's go back further. Y? Because we can ... let's get away from the present ... isn't that better?

  • @ot8479
    @ot8479 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    SUCH AN INSPIRATIONAL WOMAN!!!!!!!!

  • @user-ej5gx7ph7q
    @user-ej5gx7ph7q 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Angela is a living legend and a voice of our future 💗

  • @nathanscovell2895
    @nathanscovell2895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m ok for healing people on drugs. As for murderers, rapists… they belong in prison. As for pedophiles, I say capital punishment is the only option. I believe there is no rehabilitation for them and even if there was, I would not care for them to receive it. Their absence from this world only makes it better.

    • @hardtravelin2
      @hardtravelin2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @IIIIIIII from other things I have heard from Davis she seems to be implying that apart of abolition would have to involve a broader restructuring of our society: greater focus on education, rehabilitation, but also more generally those and other economic reasons which lead to crime. She is not advocating solely for prison abolition and nothing more that’s an oversimplification of her point

  • @lorettawalker2850
    @lorettawalker2850 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My Shero Angela Davis 🖤✊

  • @sarahhillhouse9384
    @sarahhillhouse9384 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sweet black angel

  • @rojintel313
    @rojintel313 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    يتاجرون بها كقميص عثمان بن عفان ....من يقرأ التاريخ.. يرى المستقبل ....

  • @mehtabalvi1979
    @mehtabalvi1979 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Angela Davis is the BEST. REMARKABLY WOMAN. INSPIRATION. ROLE MODEL

    • @HAVANA1955
      @HAVANA1955 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      She is a hypocrite ....she is a trained Marxist ....i will never forget when she visited Cuba and hold hands with the most brutal dictator Fidel Castro ...!

  • @johnbarber8788
    @johnbarber8788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    angela does not true history of Bharat- jihqdist/commie/christain biase shame -

  • @diamondfateful
    @diamondfateful 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Angela Davis is a brave human being!

  • @MM-nb7oe
    @MM-nb7oe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gunrunning, Jim Jones promoting, East German Commie fangirl says whaaaaat..

  • @rojintel313
    @rojintel313 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    السيد محي الدين شيخ نعسان بن حنيف عنوان وسلاح لمحور الشيعي .محور الشر...

  • @wanefelicia8779
    @wanefelicia8779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    We dont need to be THAT dramatic🙄...ppl that violate the rights of others SHOULD be behind bars ✌this doesnt mean that there are not innocent ppl in jail or ppl jailed who shouldnt be🙈

    • @lyrablack8621
      @lyrablack8621 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Educated people don't violate the rights of others. Education is empathy

    • @nikkigallup6984
      @nikkigallup6984 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      This isn't dramatic. The system we have clearly is not working. This is a well informed and intelligent alternative. Most criminals are not in prison for rape, murder, pedophilia, or any other violent crime. Most are in for addiction, shoplifting, issues with their drivers license, homelessness, and mental health problems. Prison for years and then being released into society with no money, no home, no car, and no job causes a revolving door.

    • @andyforsythe2565
      @andyforsythe2565 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jane Dough your comment just proved that you can.

    • @asms_music417
      @asms_music417 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the only issue with your statement, is that this means a lot of cops and about every president who ever lived, should be behind bars. Prison itself is political, and biased.

    • @CarbonGlassMan
      @CarbonGlassMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lyrablack8621 Yes they do. What world do you live in where educated people don't violate the rights of others? The Unibomber was pretty educated. The guy that shot up the movie theater was a medical student. Doctors, lawyers, economists, politicians, scientists have all murdered and raped and stolen from people. Seriously, what are you talking about?

  • @nik8861
    @nik8861 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    angela davis is cool as hell

  • @ringogringo814
    @ringogringo814 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a traitor.

  • @xwispr
    @xwispr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lmao