This is Insane...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2024
- Humankind is the new entry to the grand strategy video game market! The folks over at amplitude have created a historical 4X game that is set to rival sid meiers civilization in terms of its impact in the genre. Naturally the devs wanted to give me early access to see if I could perfectly balance the game and see if this New Civ Killer is broken and if it contains any exploits! Long story short we found infinite money, immortal units, broken diplomacy mechanics and perfectly balanced and overpowered religion! Truly everything in this game is broken and that just makes it the perfect strategy game for me to cover! And guess what the devs decided to add me into the game too!!! Thats right you can even play against the spiffing brit in your game and cry as his unlimited army of immortal horse warriors melts its way through your empire and generates infinite cash! Now today the spiffing brit breaks humankind with industry only to challenge to break the game and have infinite science, food and money by overflowing negative upkeep!
So Is Humankind A Perfectly Balanced Game With No Exploits? Well there is only one way to find out! Get ready for some funny humankind gameplay!
What you have seen here today is part of a fantastic perfectly balanced series on youtube where I go from game to game and break them with wacky exploits to gain things like unlimited gold. If you enjoyed this then be sure to check out more. The style is similar to RT game and callmekevin in parts. A large influence on this series has come from Valefisk and The Killian Experience.
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Title: EVERYTHING IS BROKEN IN HUMANKIND - Humankind Is A Perfectly Balanced Game With No Exploits
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*Goes into giga debt to get government bailout of INFINITE GOLD*
😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
Yay!
Debt is just only in your head if you really thing about it
Wait, this is just real life capitalism.
Yeah that seems about right
The game: You broke everything.
Spiff: Yes.
The game: What did it cost?
Spiff: Becoming French.
That should be a price too far for a Brit.
@@andygreen3575 And yet it happened in this video.
Not worth it
So... it cost him everything.
Well, at least he didn't drink coffee.
Seems like someone exploited the color grading feature in the editing software very fancy!
This video looks like a meme from 2006
Glad it wasn’t only me seeing that! Thought my monitor was dying! 😅
Honestly re-calibrated my monitor because of the funky colour grading.
He's merged his video with pure cheese
it also harmed the sound of the video xD
Spiff: "We're going to be Soviets!"
Me: "Oh. He's going to nuke everyone."
Spiff: "All these nukes are now making us money!"
Me: "Huh. He didn't nuke anyone."
Spiff: "And now let's just nuke everyone."
Me: "There it is."
But americans are the only ones who nuked a place...
@@JohnDoe-on8gl Supernova goes Pop.
@@danzoom Nuked a place with people, specifically.
Philosophers: “We might be living in a computer sim.”
Spiff: Uses exploits to print infinite money.
[Me] Hahaha that's funny there is no way we are living in a sim-
[Federal Reserve] *Exists*
[Me] Oh...
"Build wonder: Christ The Redeemer" Ah yes, let us build a statue of a man who will not be born for another 3,800 years
I mean he already has several cathedrals venerating the same -3800 years old man so it's not too much of a stretch I guess.
Pretty much AdMech and their belief in Omnissiah
Ah yes egiptians versus french with fusion reactors
@@krystofkarda7395 except he was egyptians... and sumerians. And mayans. His first three civs had kind of a fetish going for pyramids...
To be fair this is a world where the Egyptians’ banner was a gun so
At this point I'm convinced that devs intentionally leave underflow and overflow errors in their games for Spiffing Brit to discover and exploit before they'll patch them lmao.
Well, it does generate content. Means people get content about a game(s), and thus might buy them.
Devs definitely are(n't) doing it sometimes (probably).
@@georgeu6994 it definitely got me interested and play through Game pass PC
It should be known that it was literally fixed today
From a coder to another. How do you gamecoders STILL manage to create integer over/underflow bugs for currency in particular. It's literally ONE variable in every game that needs a check before it is increased/decreased over the limit. It's like the oldest exploit in the book
@@Ganinoish why they even choose a 32 but integer is beyond me. ES2 (game by same Devs) is capable of amounts higher than 2mil and thus game has a similar currency scale
Spif's series in a nutshell:
"Don't shoot, he's already dead!"
* Gunfire sounds *
Except that the guns are made of gold, and the bullets are made of solidified tea extract. And sometimes plutonium.
@@SephirothRyu The guns are made of YOKRSHIRE TEA GOLD*
(someone had to say it)
@@a-blivvy-yus Ironically its actually the bullets.
@@SephirothRyu That too!
"Should we balance or game?"
"Nah, just put spiff in it and let him balance it for us"
"And by balance, we mean just making the less OP stuff more OP so that EVERYONE can break the game."
Perfectly Balanced as all things should be.
64 Bits? Who would need that many bits! Nobody ever would need that many bits. Let's go with 32, that's sounds like enough.
- probably Amplitude Studios
To be fair they should just implement a check before the flip. Maybe one of the unpaid intern made this mistake. But fear not her organs are already harvested for it. Its unreasonable to use 64bit for this. This is an extreme not likely to happen in normal circumstances.
32 bits have a range of +-2.1 billion. Some quick math reveal 2^21 is just a bit under 2.1 million so they didn't even use 32 bits...
@@fast9881 I think they used 4 bytes (integer) but the values are multiplied by 1000 - so if you had 1234 money it would be stored as 1234000 in the memory
To be fair, in this day and age integer overflow should be a total non-issue. Established programming languages come equipped in their standard library with arbitrary precision numbers, or at the very least an open-source library exists for such purpose. Using variables of native type "integer" should be almost banned from serious projects. They are only good for learning purposes during school and a very few niche situations where extreme optimization is required. This is not an intern mistake, it's a project lead designer mistake.
@@fast9881 Yeah, I also thought about that after posting. But, minor detail, it would be 22 bits or you wouldn't have the ~2.1 million for both positive and negative numbers.
And for the rest maybe the game is multiplying by 1000 like @Kaos supposed, or it may use 10 decimal places to accomodate for the percentage bonusses. Wouldn't know why so many, but maybe...
Romans: "Rome wasn't built in a day"
Spiff:*builds Rome in one day*
Romans: "how the F....."
You dislike the stuff that gets uploaded by my fingers clicking upload? Are you just a h8er boi? I say see you l8er, boi. Don't watch the stuff that gets uploaded by my fingers clicking upload anymore. Your dislikes are damaging my good good GOOD reputation. I am a superstar, dear adam
@@AxxLAfriku no clue who you are but.... report
Toaster
Toaster
true doe
Hearing Spiff sound "French" was probably the most cursed and unbalanced thing my ears have ever witnessed in this plane of existence..
5:14 “I’ve realized we are so far in the lead of any of the other AI’s.”
ANY. OF THE OTHER. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCES.
THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH
oh noooooooooo
spiff is a perfectly balanced ai with no exploits
“Okay, we’ve built nukes. Now it’s time to bankrupt our economy.”
*Picks Soviet Union*
Well actually the building of nukes was when the soviet economy started to pick up as it had previously had no developed industry and spent most of its early years developing it and the nukes came about at the time that they finally had some industry and weren’t at war
I never thought I'd see a real one out in the wild. It's a "Well, actually..." comment. *Takes photo*
*SOVIET ANTHEM STRONGLY PLAYS IN THE BACKGROUND*
@@Lapeno456 I hate that I can hear this comment.
@@Lapeno456 *HELL MARCH INTENSIFIES*
King Spiff: "Adviser! Schedule a new city to be built!"
His adviser: "Of course your majesty"
King Spiff: "When will it be finished?"
His advisor: "About... two minutes ago"
Me playing humankind: “wow this game is really fun but it’s kinda tough sometimes”
Spiff: “so I broke it”
Spiff. Your oversaturated video made me worry my video settings were off. Beautiful
Yes the mental doubt is setting in! First you change the monitor settings next you change your tea brand!!!
@@thespiffingbrit Perfectly balanced video editing with no exploits.
when i look at mrbeast thumbnails in my recomended, my retinas burn unitil i see monocrome.
lol, just be colourblind! You won't even notice. The colours looked good to me!
@@thespiffingbrit heresy on this channel, but Twinnings 1706 > Yorkshire Gokd
If this game had an online multi-player function, I would be shitting myself if Spif entered the lobby.
Well... there is online multiplayer, so you're one step closer to shitting yourself 😂
So far I have won all 9 MP games I have played
@@thespiffingbrit To my point exactly. Have a great day and continue breaking games.
@@thespiffingbrit And made players ragequit !
I can imagine playing like: Oh, here's my caveman... just gathering some resources... end turn... next turn: nuke incoming... @_@
in a game called 'airships: conquer the skies', there is a minor exploit where you pillage a town, abandon it, let the enemy A.I take it over, then when you take it back, you can 'gentle takeover' it to get the benefit of pillaging AND gentle takeover. there are some nations you can play have that are fun as well, like if you choose the flag of 'the bee' ship production is quicker.
Me, who has never played this game before but loves spiffs content: "I like your funny words, Magic Man!"
Off course the oversaturated video exploited me into worrying about my settings and checking to see I wasn’t going blind, only Spiff exploits even his own viewers 😅🤣
Glad I’m not the only one who fell for that!
and the slightly lower music
I was really confused for a bit haha
Everyone is red from all the radiation. Subtle foreshadowing.
I went to my settings... I thought its reading mode feature 💔😂
"Sir, where do you want the nuclear missile test site?"
"Put it in between the Fusion Reactor and the Elephant Cannons."
"Everything is broken in humankind"
Are we still talking about the game?
If you know you know
I'm so happy to see you playing humankind more! It's a perfect game to break.
Spiff needs to get his eyes checked. The colors are extra spicy.. pardon me as I edit a misspelling "colour" for all you lovely brits
He found an exploit and now the color is perfectly balanced
@@mrfivethumbs *colour
So the orange tint isn't such me. Good
ye the editor probs duplicated lumetri somewhere
I was about to ask if this was on my part
For anyone complaining about the aesthetic of the video: if you're seeing it as an oversaturated mess that's a symptom of an underlying eyesight issue. Thoroughly wash your eyes out with a warm spot of tea and your vision- and by proxy, this video- will return to normal. Cheers!
Bloody 'ell bruv, instructions unclear. I've now become a homeless man living out of a shopping cart in Slough.
@@veritusahriman9720 just do it again, it ought to work the second time!
@@veritusahriman9720 did you make sure it was yorkshire tea??
good god man if it was typhoo stop making comments and get yourself to A&E!
"I love Battle Elephants. They're just so fun!"
~The Spiffing Brit
Man I miss the release build of Humakind. The science and industry societies were so broken and so far ahead of everything else but they were ridiculously fun.
I like tea
me TOO
Me to. wich type?
Me too wow
Mmmmmmm tea
Epic gaming
When posting an Elephant with a cannon on its back please remember to mark the parcel "FRAGILE" because if anyone can somehow drop and break an Elephant with a cannon on its back the Royal Mail will find a way !
Clearly, the answer is to attach 6 elephants to each other via their backs, and move the cannons to their sides, so that you not only have two cannons per elephant, but when the Royal Mail drops it on the wrong side it will still land with an elephant on its feet. Also, the Royal Mail may need to borrow a Hercules or an Antonov-225 for delivery, and they probably will at least drop THAT back on the ground right side up.
@@SephirothRyu its going to take a hell of a lot of duck tape, a real large jiffy bag and a just smidge of therapy afterwards but I think you may have the solution...
The AI in my games have somehow broke the game themselves, reaching a whopping 7k fame before turn 100 on slow and on the 2nd or 3rd to hardest difficulty
History nerds: “You can’t build a fission reactor 3,000 years before Jesus is born”
The Spiffing Brit: “Connor, Hold my tea”
The ai: "im pretty sure the player cheats"
Whoa whoa whoa, calm down the Joshua, this isnt Global Thermonuclear War…or tic tac toe
Player has unfair advantage compared to the ai: exploits.
@@alleythetoaster8401 lol perfect review
The stock images are a bit more spicy today
A bit spicy.
Excessive sun tans after the holidays
If the exploits ever get too much then there's a place for you to chill here... Don't worry, I'll supply the Yorkshire tea!!!
Hey Spiff, I'd love to see if you can break "Gold Rush" I know it technically has a built in cheat with "everything cost $1" but would love to see if it can be broken in a normal play.
Dear god, now Spiff must fight his greatest enemy... TheSpoofingFrench
Hon Hon
J'aime l'oignon frit à l'huile,
J'aime l'oignon car il est bon.
J'aime l'oignon frit à l'huile,
J'aime l'oignon, j'aime l'oignon.
Au pas camarades, au pas camarades,
Au pas, au pas, au pas,
Au pas camarades, au pas camarades,
Au pas, au pas, au pas.
Un seul oignon frit à l'huile,
Un seul oignon nous change en Lion,
Un seul oignon frit à l'huile,
Un seul oignon un seul oignon
Au pas camarades, au pas camarades,
Au pas, au pas, au pas,
Au pas camarades, au pas camarades,
Au pas, au pas, au pas.
Mais pas d'oignons aux Autrichiens,
Non pas d'oignons à tous ces chiens,
Mais pas d'oignons aux Autrichiens,
Non pas d'oignons, non pas d'oignons
Au pas camarades, au pas camarades,
Au pas, au pas, au pas,
Au pas camarades, au pas camarades,
Au pas, au pas, au pas.
Aimons l'oignon frit à l'huile,
Aimons l'oignon car il est bon,
Aimons l'oignon frit à l'huile,
Aimons l'oignon, aimons l'oignon
Au pas camarades, au pas camarades,
Au pas, au pas, au pas,
Au pas camarades, au pas camarades,
Au pas, au pas, au pas.
Everybody: plays games like they are supposed to
Some random british man high on his tea: Hold my tea bitches!
E
The greatest evidence that we do not live in a simulation is that Spiff hasn't exploited it yet.
Orbital Observation Post: "Sir, the civilization below has invented fusion power!" "How? Last I looked they hadn't even achieved air travel yet." "Well, they still don't have that. But they do have fusion power." "What?"
Game Devs: Fix exploits
Spiff: Find more exploits after one week.
Game DEvs: IMPOSSIBLE!
wow i can't believe i got likes so easily thx people of the british empire
@@juffray4831 there's 18 likes
@@uncoolguy5722 GOOD
thank you lovely people for all the likes
Well this are the same devs that putt in pollution and keep insisting its a working mechanic, of course they would think its impossible.
New theory: the US government thinks this works IRL
You mean the banks who own them.
Given the largest part of the spent money per year is the military, what makes you think it's a theory?
USSR have try this and failed
@@drsm7947 economy wasn't why the USSR failed
@@ThomasOwOD i mean they try to sustain big military expenditures
Normal coffee drinkers: Rome couldn't possibly have been built in a day
The Spiffing Brit: Hold my tea
I didn't make the cut off on the first 4,000 elephants but I'm liking and commenting on the video nonetheless to lend my power to Spiff as he breaks the youtube algorithm while breaking games (now that's efficiency).
This game looks like it has potential to be quite great if the developers continue to support it. I hope they do.
That developer has some really good turn based games that they support for a long time. I expect nothing less here
Hey I just saw you on the minuteearth video.
"Spiff yeets nuclear bombs at small islands" Guess the ol' spiffer really did turn froggy. Will this channel now exploit EU subsidies instead of games?
Bikini Atoll became Exposed Hole Atoll... or maybe Big Wet Hole Atoll... It has a big radiation leak once a month now
Fairly sure Spiff recently uploaded a video about carbon credits, does that count?
England is a not-large island.
Spiffing Brit: posts video
Humankind development team: "Okay crunch time is here again."
Elephant with cannon? "Making science"? This is peak civilization!
"We have to go so far into the negative that it flips the interger."
So thats what America is doing with its debt....
Ah! So that's why we go into debt to pay medical expenses.
Guess we just don't have enough medical debt yet to reach the switch
As an American, I can confirm.
We WERE going for the military victory ala nukes...but uh, some other civics prevented us from doing that, so Plan B is to brute-force our way all across the world. Still haven't figured out how to make that work in Afghanistan, but at least we tried.
With Skyrim releasing again, I hope the *Legendary Most Handsome Reanu Keeves* will make his return too😏
Fishing es 6 in skyrim (skyrim is a perfectly balanced game)
I'd like to see heir Reanu Keeves transcend time and restoration loop ESO, Oblivion and Morrowind.
So I was AFK when I reached the "you have 5 seconds to comply" warning...
Fortunately I'm already subscribed. :P
Tea when added to computer +100 to colour grading +10 to sound funkyness +100000000000000000000 to exploitability of everything you touch -colonists now hate you
Darn, missed out on an elephant with cannon. I love these games, I never understand what is going on but spiff seems so excited it is contagious
Spiffing Brit is the only channel that I actually press 'Like' when he says.
I found an exploit today playing this game. its pretty late game as it involves the monchu pichu wonder. But you can get cities with infinite population.
16:36 That was the most convincing French accent I have ever heard, mon ami.
Hey spiff, thanks for the upload, needed something to take my mind off of my brothers passing 🥲
☹️
Sorry for your loss mate
Sorry to hear that friend. I hope you feel better soon and maintain your amazing jazziness
Condolences ❤️
My condolences
This is the earlies I have ever seen one of spiff's vids, and honestly I love some of his goofy antics that just barely tip the edge of over powered.
Vegeta, how big is his industry production?
Vegeta: IT'S OVER 9000!
Spiff: Nukes = Infinite Money
US Government: Yes, this is true
I love breaking humanity with the power of Yorkshire Tea and British attitude, perfectly balanced 👌
*on my death bed*
*a relative brings in a package*
*it's an elephant with a cannon mounted on it*
Edit: *dies in peace*
Your work is so funny, so informative, so entertaining spiff. Watched nearly half your videos in the past 2 weeks :D
Ok this is literally f**king impressing😂 I started this game a few days ago and I'm not even able to get anything over 100 per turn. Nice job man
*Strategy game releases*
Spiffing Brit: “So you have chosen Death”
Imagine if you will, Spiff Sitting Atop a Mountain of broken PC's and Game Disks, Sipping Tea the gods of TH-cam gave him that will give him the power to restore the entire British Empire and exploit reality Itself. I am humbled by your greatness.
"Why not use a giant cannon mounted to an elephent?"
I think the elephant has something to say about that and it's not a very positive or calm review.
Mildly Upset Elephant: **Mashes keyboard furiously**
@@ianperley233 And probably deaf. So communicating via keyboard makes sense.
Increasingly you are reminding me of that fabulous Bob Dylan song. You should make it your theme, because, really and truly, Everything Is Broken.
Can't wait to get my elephant with cannon. I can pull off some great "exploits" with it...
"Humankind is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits, except the every mechanic within it"
Being prompted to get a cup of tea actually made me go make a cuppa.
Of course it's Yorkshire Tea but for a moment i'd thought there wasn't any left.
Thankfully the box had just been moved out of sight.
It's expensive stuff though. The big boxes are nearly £5 but they don't half last ages.
There's a difference between signed and unsigned integers, the devs were probably tired and forgot about that. integers are stored in base 2 directly into the storage, if it's signed, then the first bit, which would have been the most significant bit, is used to store the sign, if it's 1 then the whole number after the bit is counted, 1 is added to it, and then it is turned negative. 1 is added to it because the upper limits for a negative number would be 0, which is the same as the lower limit of a positive number and it would be redundant to have multiple values mean the same thing. Unsigned integers don't do that and are just integers from 0 to 2^(width in bits) - 1.
Signed limits: 2^(width in bits) - 1 + 1 * -1 to 2^(width in bits) - 1
Unsigned limits: 0 to 2^(width in bits) - 1
I can’t wait for my new pet elephant, I’m gonna name it Yorkshire Gold.
This kind of empire could only be ruled by...Reanu Keeves!
I think spiff made basically Atlantis, a ridiculously advanced society with basically magic in a time period where they should not exist. Main difference is that there is that no god can stop spiff
Video saturation only goes up to 100, but Spiff managed to exploit the video editing software to turn up the video's saturation to 4500%
Spiff, the only problem about this exploit is you need to be French to pull it off - come on spiff, I'm sure you can find away to pull this off, pick Britain, get all the tea production, and have infinite resources /s
great exploits as always.
What a wonderful video, true quality, and even made in Mexico!
5 seconds in and I already liked the video.
Thank the TH-cam algorithm that brought me here recently.
Been binging your videos.
And I have a strange desire for some Yorkshire Tea, and I don't drink tea. But I also hate coffee.
Spiff: I would like to ask for a loan.
Bank: okay. There you have it.
Spiff: Builds an storage of nuclear weapons
Bank: Understandable, have an nice day.
I always approve of exploits ending with mass nuclear devastation!
I would honestly like see a technique like this in a competitive game.
In a competitive game his opponents would notice and admins would ban him
@@Posiman For ?
The nuclear missile is so advanced that when it's not being used, it uses its onboard computers to trade stocks and make you money.
"The missile knows where it is by subtracting where it isn't from where it is."
@@WaterZer0 The missile CAN prove a negative
I like how spiff is casually building christ the redeemer just under 4000 years before christ was a thing
Perfectly Balanced SATURATION...
Is there a way you can claim every wonder in one run?
The one time i went full on production was on empire difficulty. The game ended around turn 170 due to too much pollution. I spent the last 20 or so turns producing new districts in my cities that received a stability and food debuff of hundreds because of the "small" pollution level.
Spiff: EVERYTHING IS BROKEN IN HUMANKIND
Me: And here I was thinking he didn't pay much attention to what's going on in the world...
You can break this games economy and completely decimate the AI and its amazing
Still using premium still feeling like I'm being farmed
That income flip in the end is like having debt collectors at the door looking for a payment of 2 mil but tricking them into thinking they're the ones that have to pay.
4 gallons of tea down...
Haven't slept in 3 days.....
CAN'T.... STOP.... WATCHING.......
*Old Title:* *INDUSTRY ONLY IS BROKEN IN HUMANKIND* - *Humankind Is A Perfectly Balanced Game With No Exploits*
I thought this was gonna be another irl exploit
Devs: Game completed
Also, Devs: What about advertising?
Random guy: Get the spiffing Brit to "test our game".
Spiffing Brit; challenge accepted.
Humans: discover nuclear fusion is possible in 1930
The spiffing Brit: discovers it in the industrial era, almost 4000 years before Christ 😂
Sorry spiff, I couldn’t watch the whole video because KOTOR REMAKE WAS ANNOUNCED AND THERE IS A TRAILER.
I'm really curious how the devs are going to balance this, IF they plan on ever trying to really balance it *LUL*
PS: I'm drinking tea, out of a almost 1 liter mug. Hardcore tea, for hardcore and perfectly balanced show
To be fair *this* level of imbalance isn't possible in a real game. If you put it on the slowest speed, low difficulty, large map with only a few AI's, and have a comprehensive knowledge of the game mechanics then, yeah, it's broken. But that's like saying if LeBron James played against 5th graders it wouldn't be fair.
They actually have done a good jo of making every affinity feel broken, which is it's own kind of balance. That being said, I agree that balance IS particularly bad -- especially on non-standard settings -- and it probably will always be a challenge in this game. Trade, wonders and religion all have serious issues, even when you can't stack wonders. They really just need to lower the yields and bonuses across the board, (similar to Paradox games), so the growth isn't quite so exponential and is more linear and predictable. As you alluded to, I'm sure some of that is intended so that users will get these amazing runs where everything goes right and the devs may not want to remove that. Of course the counterweight is supposed to be the difficulty level so you can't do it every game.
What's crazy is that he didn't even do the most broken stuff. He could have easily also killed his entire continent with the Huns and then done the same massive industry snowball afterwards. Obviously he had already showed off how broken the Huns are (though that video was nowhere near their max potential) and really just wanted to show off the integer underflow oopsie, but he spent an entire era with a balanced culture when the most broken one in the whole game was just right there waiting :(
Don't think they can, it's like the game was designed based on Endless Space 2. Only they forgot that you're not controlling entire star systems in this one.
That's an interesting filter you've used for this vid, Spiff. Very interesting.
This feels like a hive mind taking over a planet, first gathering as many people as possible and then going to town on industry and science, simply consuming anything that gets it the way