Winchester M70 6mm Remington Review
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In this video I review a custom Winchester Model 70 short action in 6mm Remington.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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The rifle arrived today and I dialed in the scope just a couple hours ago th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL . I haven’t shot with a scope in probably 25 years. The X on the left was my target. (the shot almost in the bullseye on the right X was my father in laws first shot after I made adjustments) The two shots circled are my first 2 shots. Then I brought it down - shot once. Then brought it over to the left. From there zeroed it in to dead center. This all was from 25 yards out. Follow instructions carefully when mounting the scope. So far I'm very happy with the purchase.
Keep that barrel on it and just get you a new build going on so you can share it with all of us thanks for the great content sir
Leave it alone, its perfect the way it is.
What a gem of a rifle....Keep it that barrel and help us keep this great American cartridge alive!
It's a shame. A faster twist will make it more versatile, 243's bigger brother but inferior when it comes to longer bullets.
Keep it
If you want longer bullets just debarred in 6 mm Remington with a 1:9 twist and get better velocities than the Creedmoor. Beautiful rifle!
Better yet rebarrel to An ackley version. 3500 FPS with a 90 gr tipped game king is great for antelope and whitetail/mulies. I've shot a ton of coyotes on the flot open prairie with it as well.
You just said the same thing in the video why even comment your just repeating what he said
keep it ! a classic rifle with an old caliber is cool ! way cooler than new calibers in chassis rifles, atleast to me. the stock on the model 70 is amazingly beautiful
Beautiful gun! I would re-barrel it in 6mm rem with a 1 in 8 twist with a 26" barrel.
I had one just like this my dad bought me when I was Ten years old and someone stole it when I was 25 watching this almost made me cry.
A oldschool 6mm lover here. It is a reloaders dream. The long neck and the large case just rule. I would compare my 6mm Remington to a 6 Creed and day.
I got my wife a 6mm ruger from a older friend that stoped hunting 22 years ago.
It came with a few boxes of rem 80gr loads in the green and white boxes .
She did wonderful with that gun.
She about 5 years later got me a 77mark 2 in 6mm. I use the factory federal 80gr.
I have taken hogs and deer just fine with the 80gr like she did.
I found a old cz Mauser action in 6mm that is waiting on the grandson to grow into it.
Needless to say we like the 6mm remington.
Yes finally someone reviewed my favorite rifle
So cool to see this video...My dad was an exceptional shot with both rifle and shotgun and I have given his 6mm Rem. to my youngest sister n. My father always said that the 6mm was the best coyote rifle ever made😊👍. I didn't know until today that this rifle is smoking rounds out of its barrel at nearly 4,000 fps!! They are so rare, I'd have to say keep it the way it is🤗
Ed Shilen reworked a rem 700bdl for me in the 80's , and with the old federal premium 100 gr nosler partition factory load it would hold 5/8" , 5 shot groups . I never needed handloads until recent low popularity of oem 6mm rem ammo . i love it .
Ron, use the 85gr Barnes. It is a game bullet. It will perform like a much heavier bullet.
First year Remington 700 BDL rifles in 243 have a 1:9.25 twist. I have one. It stabilizes absolutely everything.
Hi Ron, I have 3 Rifles in 6mm Rem. One I inherited from my Dad, a nice little 6mm Rem ADL, that I used growing up. I recently had a custom rifle made using a new Remington action, Bartlein barrel, with 1:9 twist. Of course I reload. I love the rifle, but it is difficult to reload with the longer high ballistic bullets and stay within the magazine length of 2.825". I have found best accuracy with the 85-90 grain bullets keeping with the max length of 2.825". Biggest issue I have is finding brass. Finding Remington and Winchester Brass is rare, Hornady is really the only one that carries it regularly. The better makers of brass do not make 6mm Rem cases due to such low volume. Shout out to me if you know of a better brass source. By the way, if you were looking to shoot high ballistic match bullets of greater than 100 grains, I would recommend going to even a 1:8 twist.
Thanks for the excellent video. Leave her be and just get a new 6.5 PRC rifle. One my favorite rifles is a custom 6 mm Remington built on a Mauser 98 action. My brother and I bought it together quite some time ago in an estate sale. Wr found under the buttplate when oiling down the stock a handwritten invoice from the gunsmith who built it, detailing eah oart and its price. Beautiful walnut stock, 26” barrel (yes, 26) topped with a basic Leupold 3x9, it’s a 1/2 MOA gun, heavy, but an absolute laser tack driver for Arizona Coues deer.
Yesss! That's exactly what my 6mm Remington is. Built on a k98 action with a walnut stock. It's a beautiful gun.
That's a beautiful rifle. I'll bet no critter has gone very far, after being hit right with your 6-mm.
Wishing you the best Ron.
I have a lot of 6mm/244 guns. Great guns. Your custom is beautiful!
That's awesome Ron, no one has ever had me build a 6mm rem before tho it's one of my favorite cartridges, even better you put it in a far superior action than the cartridge ever came in. I know if I screwed up and ordered the wrong twist I would have been buying the customer a new barrel of what he wanted in the first place. I hear all the time of gunsmiths making mistakes and never paying for it or making it right and it pisses me off. That's not how we do business in my shop
Hi first of all nice video, I own a Remington 660 in 6mm Rem, like the gun very much.
Had the same issue with 105 grn. Bullets they all got in square, went down to 75,80,85 grn. and all is good.
I´m loading 41.5 grn. Vitavhouri behind all of those bullets with only small deviations.
Don't mess with success! Be happy with the fine rifle you have, shooting tiny groups at extreme velocity! There is nothing left on the table.
Forgot to mention, but Ron, you think like I do. I also load my own. Started reloading at a young age and am 60 now and learning more and more every day. Keep giving us these good videos. We like them.
Actually, I think you really need a classic Model 70 caliber, the 257 Roberts! Ned would be very happy, and you'll be looking at 1/2 inch groups on a bad day!
Love your videos. If you like the 6mm Remington why not get it rebarrled in the same caliber but with a 1:10 twist.
That’s all I’d do to it as well. Other then that the 6mm Remington is perfect.
Rebarrel with 9.5 twist in 6mm
@@09dogwood thats right! I was thinking something else.
Beautiful stock on that thing !
I've got 2 6MM's. One is a standard Rem700 SA factory rifle with a 22" 1:9" twist and shoots incredible with everything I feed it. The other 6mm I have is a Rem700 SA, 26" bbl 1:8.5" twist custom job. It also happens to be a "1off wildcat" I developed on the 6mm Rem case. I blew the shoulder diameter out to .460" and blew the shoulder forward further than the 6MM ACKLEY IMPROVED. The case would remind you of the old Gibbs improved cartridges built on the "06" case. It easily exceeds 4000fps with varmint bullets and shoots 100gr, 105gr, and 108gr in the 3700fps to 3900fps with amazing accuracy. It's basically a belt less 240WBY Mag. Boy is it ever a deers' nightmare!!! I named it "244 S.P. EXPRESS." I wanted to stay with the original name and added the "S.P." to the name, as those are the initials of my first and last name.
Keep it the way it is. For the memories.
I agree, this alone is a great reason!
I have 6mm Remington single shot lever action rifle. I enjoy learning, thank you!
Hi! I would leave that barrel as it is! You yourself have made the experience that the lighter bullets did the job without any problems!
I don't think you have to try every new stuff that comes out on the market!
Leave the beauty as it is and enjoy it!
Greetings from Germany
Thanks Andre. Yes, I could and might. The only missing with those lighter bullets is better wind deflection resistance. Of course, that hasn't been much of an issue so far...
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Gentlemen, don't mean to butt in, but...
The key to this conversation is the short action of the rifle. Ron, for what you want to do, you'll need the 7x57 case capacity. This rifle is a beauty, just the way it is. For white tail and down, it's just the ticket. Side note: don't forget about the 80 grain ttsx.
The 7x57 in a model 70 really needs a long action, as is evidenced by the 257 Bob.
This is just two cents, and is definitely worth what it costs. I wish you good hunting, Ron.
@@RonSpomerOutdoorskeep it as is! Try Barnes brass TTSX bullets in 80 grains. That will give you a longer, sleeker, boat tail design bullet with better aero and gives great weight retention on larger game for extreme terminal performance.
That is what I'm using this year on white tail in a Custom 250-3000 (250 Savage) Remington 600 Mohawk.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I recently purchased a Mauser that had been chambered in 6mm Remington. When I purchased the rifle online it said it was a 6mm international after taking a mold of the chamber I found out it was a 6mm Remington. I reload so I am reloading an 85-grain t-rex (Maker Bullets ) which should shoot well. I have enjoyed you for years and have used some of the great info you have given out. Thank you for all you do
Get it re barreled with the twist rate you originally wanted!
I love your presentations, so clear and easy to understand. Thank you for the info - appreciate it 👍
I got my first 6mm in 1973. A friend got a 6mm ADL Remington for $200 from a finance company foreclosure. So I got a 6mm Ruger M77 so we could load together. My Ruger had the tang safety and classic barrel band. Just really nice. I broke the stock so got a new one - no barrel band - but still tang safety.
With a 2-7 Redfield I could shoot roughly the same as Mr. Spomer did with his. We used 85gr Sierra boat tails for whitetail in N. WI. It was a magic machine. they went instantly down provided they were in range.
I did shoot one at over 400 yards - snow on the ground, the animal was walking. I made a good shot but didn't account for the horizontal movement of his walk. Punched a hole between two ribs in/out - lunged him. That hollow point didn't have enough left to expand. But the buck only went about 10 yards and laid down to bleed out.
Later in life, just for fun, I bought a Reminting 788 6mm - such a simple but hardy rifle. It was so mint that I never shot it. No bluing scratches on the bolt, crown still black, no scratched on the stock. I should sell it... So, anyway, I bought a 788 .243. It doesn't shoot as well as my old Ruger. But I only shoot factory loads thru it - that may be the difference.
I'll keep my old Ruger and the .243. I'm not a real collector so I think I'll list that 788/6mm. I'll never buy another cartridge for deer. I understand there are newer/better 6mm carts out there however, their advantage wouldn't be noticed where I hunt.
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Always a pleasure to watch you videos, Ron
I'd love to still have the 788 Remington I used to have, the 95gr I used on deer was a tac driver. I hold the scope and see it on impact
The grain on that stock is beautiful.
Brob: Indeed it is. I remember the day I saw the blank at the Fajen facility in Missouri many, many years ago. Head-man Donnie Gemes was showing me blanks for this project rifle and I was immediately attracted to this one's incredible free-style marbling and contrast combined with the perfect straight grain in the belly and fore-end.
I have an old Sako L579 in 243 Ackley that I just love. Shoots 75 grain Speer hollow points like a laser beam. Oddly enough, I have never chronographed it. Probably should some day. I say leave that little rascal the way it is. It’s unique.
That is a real good looking rifle and have to say the 6mm/244 chambering is one of my favorites.
I have one that says .244 on the barrel. What grain is best for this .244?
@@gradyhernandez4699 my choice for deer sized game is an 80 grain Barnes TTSX. My 1:9 twist shoots everything from 58 to 100 grain very well.
@@spearfishrifleandtrap8982 what about the one that says .244 on barrel .not " 6mm"??
@@spearfishrifleandtrap8982 mine has .244 stamped on barrel..not 6 mm
@@gradyhernandez4699 Your rifle is likely a 1:12 twist and MAY not shoot anything longer than a 90 grain bullet.
I have a 243, 6mm remmington, and a 6.5 creedmore I love those rifles
I really enjoy your channel especially when you talk about cartridge history's and how they stack up against the modern cartridges today.
Don't know how I missed this video, but I'm watching and enjoying it. I love the rifle and the cartridge. Great video Mr Spommer. 👍
Interesting hearing you talk about a 788 in 6mm Remington, my first hunting rifle (which I still use) is a 788 in 243, awfully similar! It's why I have a soft spot for 243 Winchester, similar story I suppose. That M70 sure is a nice rifle though
Je possède un788 en 6mm RM je charge en 75 grs je vais essayer en 90 grs comme vos poudres sont imr nous en Europe vectan si je trouve une table correspondant.
Real purdy rifle! Love the scope and mount combo also - very nice choice.
I still have my Remington 788 in 6mm that was my first deer rifle in 1980 and some handloads from then too! I was only 12 with my Rockchucker loading 100gr Speer 6mm custom. Love that gun as much as my custom Weatherby.
Great video.
Keep it. It shows on your face how you enjoy shooting it. If you want another, build another.
Loved the video Ron. Love the 6mm Remington too.. I have an old tang safety Ruger 77 that likes 90 gr Game Kings and H4350..
I'd shoot that beautiful rifle until it's time to swap barrels then a 1in 10 or 9 twist would be neat..
I have the same gun. Mine loved 105 gr handloads in either Noslers or Hornady BTSP. Has been a good rifle for me.
Fine review of a heck of a cartridge by any standard. I had two .244/6mm rifles back in the 70's. Use them for chuck shooting at 300+ yards. Never used them on deer though as our state allows deer hunting with shotguns only. Loaded my Mauser bolts with Sierra 85 gr. boattail bullets - they flat shot up a storm! Thanks for rekindling some fine memories.
I would keep it the way it is. You seem to shoot it very well!! Especially for whitetails that 58 70 grainers will be perfect with a well placed shot. Keep up the great videos Ron. God bless!!
Ive had the 6mm since 1974 just turned 61 absolutely love that Gun I have killed the majority of my deer with it ..I also bought my wife one the shells are hard to come by I wish the manufacturers at least keep the ammo alive it’s a great caliber keep it I hope with the help of people like your self to keep the great little gun alive and well ...kinda tired of hearing about the creedmore Honesty thanks for the great video
I have a Remington 700 BDL 6mm Rem since 1976 and still use it and love it. That rifle is gorgeous no way would change from 6mm Rem. I do wish my 6mm Rem had a 24 inch barrel. I could care less for a faster twist Remington 9 1/8 is perfect and in my Factory rifle with it I have shot my smallest groups 7/8 inch at 300 yards with both Sierra 85gr HPBT and Hornady's 100gr BTSP.
My Son shot a Antelope with the Sierra 85gr HPBT at just under 400 yards and it folded straight down never took a step, very impressive and this was with my favorite Coyote load. With the Hornady I took my largest Mule Deer to date.
I caught Magnum fever in the 80's and started using a .264 Win Mag for most of my Deer and Antelope hunting but to this day I never have shot at a animal I could not of taken with my M700 6mm Rem period. All this talk about long range is talk as 99.9 percent of game is bagged less than 500 yards and my average Antelope shot has been 290 yards, Deer have been closer for a average.
So no way would I go for another 6mm but I would take a little longer barrel something like 24 inches.
Hornady's 100gr BTSP is a Excellent Antelope bullet and I would shoot to 600 yards if I had to with it. I am in the process of working with a new Deer round with Nosler's 95gr BT and Reloader 26 for a tougher bullet for Deer and faster FPS.
I would just keep your rifle till you shoot out your barrel and hunt Deer and Antelope with Sierra 85gr BTHP or try Nosler's 90gr AB like the saying if it ain't broke don't fix it. You have a Beautiful Rifle in a true Classic round IMHO.
Hi,,How do you find getting amo,,for the 6mm Rem,? That is the only thing wrong ùp here in Ontario Canada, I've got 14 boxes of Hornady Super Performance 6mm Rem,,95gr,,But l cleaned that store out,,Mine is a Tikka M55,,,6x18 Bushnell scope 😳and I love it,
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About 10 years ago I purchased 500 pieces of brass bullets and Primers and powder.
I just hope I live long enough to use it all.
Love videos with caliber history. Thanks for sharing Ron! 😃👍🏻 keep the 6mm and buy another Winchester model 70 😉
Yo Manuel Silva Hinostroza mate un venado con 6 mm remington mas de 500 metros en una laguneta
Hey Ron great job. If you’re going to give up the 244 Remington I would suggest the next step would be a .257 Roberts. A forgotten cartridge that is in my heart as my grandfather used to use it for almost all of his meat accumulation. Take care stay safe
I have a M77 6mm that my dad bought used when I was 4 years old. It's an excellent gun. Its not load picky and the action is extremely good for a Ruger. I called 4 coyotes in at once and I nailed all 4 of them. I give all the credit to the rifle and luck because honestly in not that good of a shot lol.
I'm an old school shooter . I like the 20 century creations. I remember the barrel controversy. Always liked the 24's and 25. Fast,with excellent accuracy. Leave ìt!!!!
That’s easy. Keep her as she is and get another in the faster twist. Beautiful rifle.
Ron, check out the 6 mm ARC cartridge. It's very accurate even with factory ammo.
I love the rifle, that is a beauty! I bought a used Remington model 722 rifle in .244 Rem caliber in the mid 1980s, and of course I couldn't load any ammo with bullets heavier than 85 grains because of the slow twist rate, but it was a flat shooting rifle. By the mid 1990s I wore the barrel out and I thought about replacing the barrel but decided against it and I bought a Remington 700 BDL in the 6mm Remington and I had the wood stock replaced with a synthetic stock and I love how the rifle shoots.
I’d leave her alone! Always loved 6mm Remington. Absolutely love the look of that rifle
Beautiful rifle that shoots 1/2” MOA , it’s a keeper. Build another rifle if you want but it would be a shame to mess with that one.
Ron. I have a model 70 Featherweight in 6mm Remington I bought in the early 90's off the shelf at my buddies shop. Brand New. Killed everything imaginable with it. 1 in 8 or 9 twist. Lost tag so can't verify for certain. Taken deer and woodchuck at 340+ yards. Favorite gun by far
Good looking rifle. Excellent group.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
By the time it needs a new barrel, who knows what will tickle you.
Maybe a Roberts (?), maybe a 275 Rigby to couple with your 416.
Again, no need to rebarrel. I'm sure that you've got plenty of rifles to play with.
I agree.
If you do want to rebarrel in a 6.5, why not pay homage to the 6mm rems mauser heritage and stay in the x57 family with a 6.5x57 ?
Get itin a low twist rate (as is common in europe), you'd have a not so common but capable 6.5 cartridge that takes the heavier and longer bullets better than the creedmore. Just an idea.
Ps. Or would you need to change your action length for that ? The x57 family does often need a mid sized action length to be at it's best , doesn't it?
@@LexLuthor1234 The 6.5x57 . . . a beautiful cartridge that can perform. What I thinking, Ron has a real Rigby in 416 (a "proper" African cartridge), so I thought a light rifle in .275 Rigby would be nice match.
@@martinstiastny7679 hello :). Aha, indeed that too would make a nice historical match and reference. ;)
Ps. Being practical, going for the .275 Rigby/7x57 Mauser would also allow Ron to Sell any 7mm08 he might have, freeing up space For that fast twist 6 mm he wants. A win a win, potentially.
I have a Ruger M77 Varmint (heavy barrel) in 6mm Remington. When I acquired the rifle, it came with a fixed 15 power/target scope that I've left on. It is a beauty.
I have a Parker Hale in .243 for hunting so the 6mm is for the range and some predator control (mostly coyotes).
It's not finicky about bullet weights or powder loads. But with 95 Gr. Sierra MatchKings ahead of 43.5 Gr. of IMR 4350 - wow!! A genuine tack driver!
I got a custom barrel in 6 mm Rem with 1:8 twist for my Schultz and Larsen. Just loving it! That cartridge is just so underrated. Precision is great with the 105 Nosler CC
Years ago a friend of mine bought a 7x 61 Schultz and Larsen someone had rechambered to 7mm rem mag because he couldn't find any ammo for the 7x61 long story short I ended up with that gun and been in love with it ever since
I’ll keep it the way it is great looking rifle
Beautiful rifle. My experience with a 6mm cartridges was a 6mm-'06 I built maybe 30 years ago. Sort of the fortuitous convergence of a cheap G98 FN Mauser action from Shotgun News, a friend who had an old stainless steel benchrest bull barrel (a long one, too) in 6mm BR which was, coincidentally, threaded for a Mauser action, the availability of a reamer from a company that rented out reamers, and the discovery of a 20 pound stash of old, military surplus H4831 powder. I got a Bishop stock blank for it (nowhere near as nice as the one in the video), got a gunsmith friend to turn, taper, fit and chamber the barrel, fitted a better trigger. I even got Lee to make me a special Lee Loader with .30-'06 body and .243 head (I set it to neck down maybe the top 3mm of the neck only). I had a lot of fun finding and necking .30-'06, .270 and .25-'06 brass down with a friend's reloading press and borrowed .270 and .243 dies. I worked up loads mainly centered around 60 and 75 grain bullets (the Hornady 75 grain HPs were the cheapest). The result was a really fun, cheap to shoot rifle that shot 3/4" groups at 100 yards - just perfect for vaporizing water-filled soda cans and V8 cans at that distance. Initially I was looking at a .22 Cheetah, but I noticed the slowest powder recommended in published loads was 4350. As far as what to do - get another barrel and store this barrel for the future.
My dad has a Ruger #1 in 6mm Rem that's his go to deer rifle.
Good info!! Thanks, 6mm fan
Love the 6mm Rem! I still have a left handed Remington 788 in 6mm. I’d stick with that just re-barrel it with the proper 1-10 twist that you wanted originally.
Keep it 6mm Remington but with a 1:7 twist.
That would be the ultimate Fudd Rifle
" Fast Utilitarian Deer Dropper "
Keep us updated on this sweet rifle!
Keep it as a 6mm. Had a rem model 788, left hand bolt. Did hand loads and at 100 yards, 5 shot group covered by a dime.
That is a beautiful rifle Ron.
Ron, in my experience if it works that well leave it alone and enjoy it for what it is - a beautiful and accurate rifle that holds great memories for you. What more can you ask for? Best wishes and good luck!
Took my first deer with a 6mm Rem. They are really nice with a 1/8,1/9 twist. Sorry he barreled that way, but from what I can tell, it is doing fine. Larger animals than deer have been taken with bullets as small as 65 grains. Again for the amount of powder used, the 6 mm Rem. is a real sweat spot. Great Show.
I love my 6mm Remington! You also need to get a LabRadar chronograph so you don't have to worry about light. I've never looked aback after buying mine!
To start with I just want to say that is a beautiful looking model 70. The 6mm Rem. is one of my favorite calibers. I bought one years ago in a Rem. model 700 varmint special with a bull barrel and a 1:9 twist. I have shot up to 100 grain bullets out of it with very good success but my favorite bullet out of it has always been the Sierra 85 grain hollow point boat tail. It sounds like you really have an itch to shoot the heavier bullets out of yours. My suggestion would be to replace the barrel on that stock and action with a 1:8 twist but stay with the 6mm Rem. I think if you change the cartridge you just might live to regret it down the road. The bottom line is enjoy what your doing and have fun. Good luck
I agree with George Morris...twist rate of 1:9 seems to be perfect. I purchased a barely used Remington 788 around 1987 or so. I had never heard of the 6mm Remington up until that time and wanted to try it out. Loved it ever since and used it for varmints only, jackrabbits, and coyotes here in Southern California. At first, I tried commercial ammo, about five boxes, and have reloaded it ever since, never buying another box of the store-bought stuff. The lock time on the 788 is nothing short of amazing! So, as George stated, I would go with the faster 1:9 twist as opposed to Winchesters 1:10.
Thanks for bringing this video to us, I "liked" and subscribed.
I've starting to want a model 70 super badly now. Still unsure what cartridge I'll use but 6mm is what I have my eye on. Great video Ron, thankyou sir.
You're welcome.
Beautiful rifle! I remember reading about this rifle in a magazine article years ago! The Teflon coating is much more worry free than bluing. Sell it to me!
I would keep it as is, light recoil for a grandson or granddaughter with the lighter bullets. For a team hunt, do you another build Ron! I used the 6mm Remington in a 700 rem varmint master that shot 100gr noslers very well. Many ground hogs fell victim to that heavy slug way before range finders and technology has enabled me to double my distances. Now I personally prefer cooper rifles chambered in .204 and 6.5x284 the .204 is a great round out to 700yrd nothing better than being able to see red mist in the scope.
Beautiful stock!
I think it’s perfect how it is. I wouldn’t touch a thing. Beautiful rifle in a great caliber.
I have a Winchester model 70, with of all things a Remington barrel in 6mm Remington on it with a 9” twist. My thoughts of a barrel change went away after my last range trip.
I would start a new project or purchase a new rifle.
👍 on the video.
Ron,
Keep it "classic". I have a 6mm Remington full Männlicher stocked Steyr Luxus with a single set trigger that was special ordered from the factory in the late 1980's. It shot 0.5 " or less five shot groups at 100 meters with factory loads right out of the box. I purchased it new from a gunsmith friend when the gentleman who ordered it decided that he didn't want to spend the money and backed out of the sale after it had arrived in the States. I don't believe that the 6mm Remington clambering was ever a standard Steyr factory offering. It has been in my gun cabinet since 1993 and I'll have to measure the barrel twist ... I can't remember! When I hauled it out for a routine oiling an acquaintance of mine happened to be visiting for some advice on restocking his F-Class Open rifle and he has been attempting to convince me to part with it ever since. I'm 80 years old and will probably never use it but I can't quite get over a bad case of separation anxiety. It's probably only had a box of 20 rounds through the barrel when I first mounted the scope. As Townsend Whelen said "only accurate rifles are interesting" but, I always say, beauty AND accuracy... that's a keeper.
I'd keep it as is. I have a Remington Model 600 (not the Mohawk) in 6mm Remington. I bought it from a friend who used it for years in Arizona.
Don't leave those of us who do have a 6mm Rem in the cold.
I have a custom 600 Mohawk with a 20" barrel in 250 Savage. Fantastic little gun!
Same here short ribbed barrel, love that rifle can carry it for days shoots around .75 at 100..
Heck, keep that rifle as is and just use it as an excuse to get a whole new rifle...
Not that I've ever used that line on my wife. 🤔
Re-barrel in a 244 Ackley Improved in a 1:8" twist rate, 24-26" long. Basically match the 240 Weatherby.
Then try the 115 Berger VLD's. That will be a great long range rig!
The Speer 85gr boattail soft point kills deer like lightning in my 243.
Ron I love this one…that stock with gold fajen logo coupled with gold ring Leopold and the grain..man what a beauty….I bet that thing would take the 85gr nosler rdf to its full potential…I have em in.223
Well done mate.....
First off, what a beautiful gun! To your question as to whether or not to rebarrel the rifle, I think it depends on the purpose you want it to serve. If you want to use it for varmint/deer, I think it is perfect the way it is. If you want to shoot long range, then swap out the barrel, scope, and stock to maximize accuracy at longer distances. Keep in mind, sometimes with a popular caliber comes even more limited reloading supplies- especially during this time. There’s my 2-cents. 😁
The 6x57 Mauser as it was called originally and then forgotten about for decades ,was very close to be the new millitary cartridge in the then new Spandau rifle, but Mauser won out in contest and that left it forgotten .
I love my 6mm rem , had since I was 12 , 51 now.i could never get rid of it
I would get the new barrel in the twist that you like and enjoy! 👍😎
I don't think I would mess with it. I think I would start a new project because I love the romance of these old and very effective rifle cartridges. Even though you messed up on the twist rate, 87 to 90 gr bonded bullets are devastating on larger critters, including elk.
Still have my Grandpa's old Remington model 600 "Mohawk" in 6mm Rem. Can still find factory ammo but it's not cheap. I have reloaded for it too, great Coyote rifle.
@Robin Alley Yes it does.
Beautiful wood and a Hart barrel, now that is old school great...I would not change/modify this heirloom quality rifle...The 70-80 grain bullets at your listed velocities is like a 22-250 on steroids...
When I was a boy in the early 1980's in eastern Montana my dream rifle was a Remington Model 700 Classic in 6mm Remington. My brother heard me talking about the gun and bought one for himself! I couldn't bring myself to buy the exact same rifle he bought so I ended up buying a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in .270 Winchester. I never loved the rifle. It was always kind of like dating the sister of your dream girl. I'm still pining for that 6mm and my .270 sits neglected in the back of my safe.
That would be an awesome little round Ron ! I like the bolt in the model 70's , I've got it in 416 rem mag , now I'd like to have something smaller then my 300 win mag , there's lots of deer and coyote here in missouri. I'd keep that gun Ron , or buy another caliber ? 😁 take care Ron 😁😎
Ron I have an early post war CZ commercial 98 (Model 21) rebarreled to 6mm Remington in Germany it shoots hole on hole or touching cloverleaf groups with Factory Remington 100 grain loads and a 105s. I've never used lighter bullets and love the accuracy from this gun. Rebarrel it or keep it as it is and have another one built that will handle the heavier bullets.
Hey Ron. Thanks for a great vid. I am an old 244/6mm fan. I LOVE that cartridge! I wouldn't change the rifle. It's just too pretty...too perfect. The newer 75-90 grain bullets perform as well as the older 100 grains {except for BC...I know that matters) but I wouldn't change it. I'm just an old sentimentalist i guess. There are plenty of 6mm that will shoot the 100+ grain bullets...(I know you've got one or more of them!). OBTW I've NEVER seen a rifle throw keyhole bullets like you showed...WOW! Let us know what you finally decided to do?
Enjoyed the review, brought back some memories of a 700 Rem I had back in the day in 6mm, the chucks didn't stand a chance within 500 yards. I wouldn't change that rifle at all, seems to be a great shooter and it looks even better, save it for the lighter bullets. I would like to see you do is pick up a used Savage Axis and use it for a cheap build rifle in 6mm Creedmoor. Reasons, most people like a more affordable rifle, the 6CM is really coming on in the shooting circles, you can pick the barrel you want with say a Hart heavy sporter with a 1:8" twist, show people how to design and build a rifle the right way and using the Savage action which is IMHO very accurate how anyone can have a multi caliber rifle with the ability to change barrels themselves in a matter of 30-45 minutes. That would be a really interesting video with one of your excellent reviews.
Excellent idea Ken. I'll see if I can get around to that.
It's been almost two years now and I'm wondering what you decided! I'm all for tradition, but time and engineering are constantly moving forward. Personally, I would like to see a 1:9 twist or even faster and then some testing to see how well it stabilizes a 100 gr. bullet, give or take a few grains. Last year in Wisconsin 19,000 dear were hit by cars. A 90 or a 100 grain would be an ideal bullet for deer hunting in Wisconsin, or what do you think? There are probably many of us looking forward to an update on this story.
I love it keep that barrel...the best part of this video is when you said its off a smidgen lmao....I really enjoyed this video