@@shardofkingdoms9816 1. The sun is already halfway through its life. 2. Melee will not outlive the sun 3. Conclusion: There won't always be Melee to be played. ShardOfKingdoms's argument destroyed
The storyline behind this set is absolutely unbelievable, you couldn’t write it if you tried - Biggest prize pool in smash history - First offline major since a global pandemic - Mang0’s godly losers run to get to this point, beating moky (bare minimum top 20 player) n0ne (same as moky), Plup (top 10 player for years and who knocked him into losers), iBDW (arguably 3rd in the world in the online era), and Hungrybox (former #1 in the world and previous Summit champ) - Zain’s dominance over Mang0 this entire year online and Zain’s dominance period - Mang0 going fox against Zain, who has not lost to a fox since Leffen in 2019, and is historically Zain’s best matchup - Mang0 winning twice on Final Destination to reset, a stage that was pretty much considered an automatic win for Zain against spacies - The Marth-Fox matchup being pretty much a topic of discussion for all of Melee’s history up to this point, with many many players agreeing that the matchup is heavily in Marth’s favor - Mang0 never winning a summit and historically having his worst tournament performances at previous summit iterations If this doesn’t make you want to play melee then I don’t think anything will
All of it was because it was the first tournament in person in a long time. Unfortunately, this type of tournament is most likely a once in a lifetime occurrence. All the nerves and pressure of the LAN setting make even these top players crack. I think everyone played worse than usual and it made guessing who would win nearly impossible.
So true I've seen people saying it's not the greatest set of all time just because zain played bad. Not ever taking into account how intimidating a fox playing insanely aggressive after losing 2 matches against a marth on fd is.
Very true. Zain was playing out of his mind this tournament. Mang0 was playing very sloppy up until he started his losers run. Then he got on fire and steam rolled through everyone. Once he faced Zain, Zain kept cracking under Mang0’s insane pressure with his Fox. If you notice that every time Mang0 let up, Zain would take it and run a mile with it. His punish game was so dangerous but at the very end he cracked under the pressure and dropped the combo that could’ve won him the tournament.
@@Clarinet69 They mean that's it's a part of the top 5 sets that have been played, not necessarily that 5 sets here are the best since they only played two
I feel the same way. Zain been looking unstoppable and Mang0 was looking down in both GF sets Never seen fox movement like that, and this is literally the fox slayer he playing against. What an insane losers run
For those confused about what is being blurred it is the logo which was the shine symbol but linked together like the olympic rings. For some reason the olympic committee is super protective of that logo and even though its completely different they still send cease and desist letters to anyone who has linking rings as a logo. Hell even talking about this I wouldn't be surprised if I got a cease and desist.
every single fucking time mang0 got grabbed i thought it was over and then zain would succumb to pressure and mess up and I would let out a sigh of relief
I don't like Mang0, but if he dies from alcohol poisoning after winning Summit with the most skilled Plup, Axe, Zain, Amsa, Hbox, iBDW, Wizzrobe and N0ne we've ever seen with the highest prize pool of all time (in Melee lol) then Armada can sit the fuck down, Mang0 is the GOAT unless Armada makes a comeback and wins some majors back-to-back.
For the first time evo 2016 grand finals has competition and it’s fitting Evo 2016 was the most entered melee tournament And summit 11 is the biggest pot of all time
@@nate5490 Same, like I know it’s obvious this isn’t 5 years in the future yet, but we will be thanking ourselves in 5 years! Maybe waluigi will be in smash by then? Or maybe just maybe, maybe they will make Switch online better?
All it takes is 1 touch for HMW to know Mang0's about to win. "Yo he's cookin'", "Oooh the shield-drop" both preceding a set-winning combo. This felt so old school, man
So old school. As soon as Mango started coming back in the first set, Brandon was just yelling. No more eSports commentary, that was straight Genesis 2 stuff
Hey there, I stumbled upon this video (and wow it was so fun to watch). This might seem like a random question, is it normal for the contestants to sit inside someone’s apartment close together like that when they play, or is that a Covid thing?
@@jjmah7 it's the smash summit house. It's not really an apartment it's like a big ass house where the best melee players in the world get invited to compete every year. It's one of the most prestigious smash tournaments, if not the most prestigious
When Toph and Waffles said "who wants the 70% of the 45 thousand dollars" I got so emotional. Hearing that callback to commentary from tournaments on Waffles' channel over 11 years ago - we're still here. From Mango Juice and Pat's House - with prize pools of 45 bucks - to this. Goddamn melee, don't stop.
dude mango won 45k, the pot was 150k. Its so unbelievable how far we have come as a community and how far the game has been pushed. This is the greatest game ever made.
People saying Zain didn't play his best, the thing is that mango's pressure was so immense it made zain start actually making mistakes, his hands were probably shaking. Zain knows NOWHERE is safe and mango was in his head
The storybook ending to the Slippi Rollback era and a new beginning for a rebirth of the offline scene. Couldn't ask for a more fitting Grand Finals here. Instantly in the Melee annals forever. Long live this wonderful game. Melee is sick.
im honestly so happy that these two made it to GF, easily deserved it the most for putting in all those hours during the online era. cannot be understated that zain and mang0 are the best players in the world, super excited to see this new era of melee unfold, melee's so fucking sick
Storybook ending, perfect description to it. I’m not an Hbox hater, and his ultimate content is super entertaining, but I’m so happy the people that dedicated to melee during Covid got 1st and 2nd. Mango, who has done so much to keep the melee scene hype, got his 1st summit win. Scar commenting felt nostalgic but also natural and entertaining. This tournament being so hype and its results also highlight how crucial Fizzi is to melee as a community/culture too. The production being top notch added that much more to it too. Thank you Melee personalities, it was an amazing experience seeing this live.
Between HBOX coming back, the mango losers run, zain looking unbeatable, and the mango zain finals it is the best tourney in my mind, storyline and gameplay, and the clutch in this set and the winner pulling the out the W was the icing on the cake. I just really enjoyed the whole thing. Thanks you to each person who donated to make this tourney prize pool crazy, and all the production crew who made it happen. Thanks for a amazing weekend.
Don’t forget how insane Plup looked until facing Zain. He dropped something like 3 total games (not sets, just games) making his way through pools, through the gauntlet, and through the final bracket until winners semis against Zain. The defeat by Zain seemed to mess him up, but before that he was playing out of his mind.
@@ostensiblyquerulous yea I honestly had a feeling plug was going to win the tourney going into Sunday, but zain and mango stole the show haha, what a insane tourney
zach smith Plup is entirely momentum based, the longer the tournament goes on the worse he does, just how he is. And against Mang0 and Zain, neither are gonna get steamrolled or flustered because they already play against the fasted players. Except aMSa, he flustered both of them.
35:57 is like a timewarp back to 2009. Crowd cheering for Mango with Brandon on commentary. Didn't realize it in the moment but that gave me goosebumps watching it back later
(SPOILERS) Just have to shoutout Zain’s sportsmanship at the end - went straight for the hug with Mang0 before anything else. Such a respectable player in the game and out of it. He missed out on $23k (as in, that was the difference between 2nd and 1st place) and man you can tell the pressure this tournament was so real the closer it got to the end... tough loss, but huge shoutouts to the ManG0AT!! The Mang0 nation celebrates this day.
not to say it as an excuse, but do you think the chants at the end maybe got into his head even harder??? dude was getting shaky on those final stocks. both were. shit was intense. zain fucking flubbed last stock so hard dude im so sad. fucking amazing melee though.
@@MotivatedStudent2000 Mang0s tag in game used to be "NEO!" because i think it was that everytime he played he just felt like Neo from The Matrix, or something like that, it's in Mang0s episode on the smash bros documentary.
I don’t think it’s possible to truly play good in a tourney.. you’re always gonna play “bad” compared to what you know you’re capable of, so it’s a matter of who is less affected by the tourney pressure. damn near every legendary set has so many flaws due to the pressure of wanting to win. Apex 2015 for example is known as one of the most legendary tourneys but if we watch it now, we realize how sloppy the play really was, and the fact that Armadas fox was still so new, yet he made it to grands and almost won.. then there’s evo 2016 where hbox got his signature rest cuz armada did the worse air dodge ever, etc.
@@joey5745 Zain definitely played worse this match compared to how he usually plays. IDK if he was able to hear the crowd but man, everyone was basically cheering against him.
I just searched up melee match and this was one of the first things that came up. I have never ever watched a melee match before and never played smash before but I think just seeing how complex and competitive this can get makes me wanna go ahead and try it out. :)
@@bool_master hey thanks for the response! Just one question. I want to specifically play melee but would that mean I would have to get a GameCube? Or is it possible to play through an emulator on the pc. If you can play on the pc, can you still play online on it. Sorry if this is a stupid question i just don’t know lol.
@@marcosaenz4719 yes! You can play on an emulator. If you got to slippi.gg all the information is there for you to get started playing online on your pc.
@@marcosaenz4719 it will be intimidating to start with because it takes a lot of technical skill, but if you devote, like, half an hour a day to just getting down the basics, then play for fun at your leisure, you will improve relatively quickly
Scar: "This could be the last game" Me: *Checks time on video. 10 minutes into a 40 minute vid Me: "Damn, 30 minute popoff? Does Hungrybox somehow end up winning?"
I mean mango would (and did) have to win three games from there to reset the bracket, and only then would it be a mystery still so I think that’s fair.
My first set ever was ken vs isai 15 years ago. I fell in love instantly with competitive melee. No other e-sports has come close to bringing the intensity that this sets have brought us. I just can't believe the way that this game has and is still evolving. Amazing set, congrats to Mango.
Even tho I watched it live I had to come and watch it again. One of the greatest sets ever played. Melee is sick Edit: I’ve now watched this every single day since the tournament
There are a few sets in Melee's History that sit in a tier of their own as some of the greatest ever played. This set easily joins that tier. That was freakin' amazing.
>zain up 2-0 *looks at video timer* >10 minutes in to a 42 minute video Oh, so this is like on survivor when you're only half way through the episode but they're already going to tribal council. Something's going down.
what a great analogy. god i wish i saw this live. i havnt watched hardly any melee in so long but this set reminds me of exactly what I've been missing.
Watching this live, I can't believe I broke the first rule in the book of Melee: Don't Sleep on The Kid. Mango finally taking a Summit after 5+ years of trying, in one of the greatest runs ever. Thank you to both of these players, and everyone else at Summit, for continuing to reinvent this game and deliver moments like these - 20 years and counting!
The plot armor is real - went in a doubter after the first match with plup, and came out a believer after watching the entire loser's bracket run - and here I am a month later rewatching the finals
I can’t put my finger on what exactly makes me root for Mang0 - best guess is he’s a ‘people’s champ’ meaning you take away his world class Melee skill and he’s just a regular dude. Whereas you take away a guy like Zain’s world class Melee skill and he’s still good at other stuff and has other things going for him. Everybody wants to watch a regular person be incredibly sick at one thing in the world, and put all his effort into that.
@@zogbogbean2464 maybe that’s why you root for him dude, but not me. I don’t cheer for people because they have ‘alpha energy’. If that was the case for me I’d root for Hbox. Dude is always trying to intimidate his opponents with his intensity.
This redeems all the bullshit this scene has gone through. Thankful to Fizzi forever... The online era should never die and should supplement the growth of the LAN tourneys yet to come. GG and the slippi kids are coming :) just give us some time.
This has taught me more then ever that if your still alive even with 1 stock you can still win he didn't give up and thats what got him the W. He made Zain feel pressure like never before and God that was some amazing set
I know we haven't played Melee offline for a while but the recency bias is super strong here imo... Leffen/Mango at Genesis, Armada/PPMD at Apex, Armada/Hungrybox at Evo... Idk if I can put this ahead of those.
I wonder if this set can be cited someday in some overall “greatest tournament sets of all time” list or whatever melee needs to be seen so much more after thissss
I'm 5 minutes in and cannot believe how fast and technical they're both playing. If you showed this to a player even three years ago it would completely blow their mind, let alone any time before that. Players are becoming so skilled. This was the best tournament I've ever seen.
When this was over my immediate reaction was that this is the greatest set(s) of all time. I've since rewatched it three more times, and I stand by that statemet. You couldn't ask for a better story. Mang0 going Fox against Zain's Marth just the prove the naysayers wrong. Reverse 3-0ing Zain while winning back to back on FD (a task that the experts pretty much said was all but impossible) Then of course the second set that went to game 5 last stock each 0% and Mang0 taking it in the end. Add to all that and you have the return to LAN and the biggest prize pool in Smash history. An all time classic.
greatest melee i have ever watched in my life. this friendly rivalry, and the amount of COMFORT to just fucking COMPETE AGAINST EACH OTHER and make something sublime, TOGETHER AS A TWO PERSON EFFORT, is something i have never seen before in competitive gaming in my life. i cried after watching this set live. . . "There's so much more Melee to be played." - Mang0
I've been an avid watcher of this game for 9 years now and this was absolutely the craziest set ever. What an incredible tournament and an even more amazing ending
Mang0 had the eye of the tiger here you could tell he wanted this so bad! Also everyone played so well at this tournament. The Amsa sets were amazing, plup was killing it. Melee is moving into a new dimension and the players are getting sooo damn good.
This is Zains first loss to a Fox since June 2nd 2019, his first loss to a Fox on FD since March 25th 2018, and his first loss to a solo fox not named Leffen since March 10th 2018 when he lost to Crush.
10:03 this is one of my all time favorite Smash commentary moments. A reference to a set from 12 years prior, with one of the players and multiple commentators being present in both.
I watch this set every so often because this was the first tournament I ever watched fully and this was what convinced me to play the game. Every few months ill watch again and notice more as I get better. And every time I watch it just gets more and more insane.
@@thomas-tk6ce He said it at the end to, I commented this before I heard that; I know it's true. But this turn around is insane. One of the greatest set of all time from a player that was losing confidence prior.
the story lines, the return of offline melee, the losers run, game 10 bracket reset, largest prize pool EVER?!, and the highest level melee ever witnessed? oh my god its just,,,it will be very hard to top this, so incredible
They're actually pretty mirrored. This Summit was the highest prize pool. That EVO was the highest player count. Both eventual winners were sent to Losers by Plup who was playing insane. They both went on an insane Losers run (beating each other in the process) including running it back against Plup only to finally go against the Top player of the time. Both were in nightmare scenarios in the first set, being 2 FD games or down in stocks game 5 and being grabbed at kill percent on their last stock. Clutching it to Game 10 and winning. The only appropriate thing is to have the Spiderman meme pointing at each other. Melee is scripted bro. 😏
You've seen Fox like thousands of times over the years, but mango still keeps his play fresh and stylish, even with that massive prize pool hanging in the balance. Man never plays lame.
I think it’s cause melee is so hard, that to be a top player you have to be all in. Your life has to be melee. So when you have so many people dedicating their life to something in search of the truth, then you can only get great results. In melee the truth is found after each set. Who had more skill but more importantly will.
MOST INSANE SET I'VE EVER WATCHED! Literal tears came out of my eyes from how much of a roller-coaster ride this was. Thank you Mang0 and Zain for playing melee :3
When Mango won on FD, the music playing was alternate FD theme. When Zain won, it was the normal FD theme. What if holdong down a trigger on the stage select screen was what Fox needed to win on FD all along?
Well I've come back to watch this set again, probably the 10th time - greatest Grand Finals in Melee history if you ask me. When I hear Toph scream "We got a second set!" and HMW yell "We got a reset!" I still get goosebumps.
I will never stop coming back to watch this. Favourite 2 players of all time, the GOAT commentators (pressure makes diamonds bobby?? Jesus HMW is Godlike), old school brain melting fox gameplay from mang to win. Incredible
awesome Melee! This reminded me how fun, intense and satisfying the game can be. Also happy for Mango, very well deserved!
SUP M2K
Come back to Melee king :(
M2K YO
lol m2k
when you see m2k comment live
“There is so much more melee to be played”
Always has been, always will be.
Til nick all stars drops 😏
@@shardofkingdoms9816
1. The sun is already halfway through its life.
2. Melee will not outlive the sun
3. Conclusion: There won't always be Melee to be played.
ShardOfKingdoms's argument destroyed
yessir, melee is sick also
@@nihatnihat8264 absolute comedic genius
I cant get over how through smash history, Mango progressively transforms into an old war veteran.
Most underrated comment on this video.
Thats the Mango
Responding to this after his recent tipped off W never sleep on the kid
@@kevykev188 HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
this was absolutely fucking insane in every way
Wavy melee fan? Nice.
Woah, you watch melee???? Sick
Oh hey we got a melee fan. Yeah this set was absolute fire bro.
Didn't expect to see you here. Nice documentaries btw
Ayy nice to see you here wavy
The storyline behind this set is absolutely unbelievable, you couldn’t write it if you tried
- Biggest prize pool in smash history
- First offline major since a global pandemic
- Mang0’s godly losers run to get to this point, beating moky (bare minimum top 20 player) n0ne (same as moky), Plup (top 10 player for years and who knocked him into losers), iBDW (arguably 3rd in the world in the online era), and Hungrybox (former #1 in the world and previous Summit champ)
- Zain’s dominance over Mang0 this entire year online and Zain’s dominance period
- Mang0 going fox against Zain, who has not lost to a fox since Leffen in 2019, and is historically Zain’s best matchup
- Mang0 winning twice on Final Destination to reset, a stage that was pretty much considered an automatic win for Zain against spacies
- The Marth-Fox matchup being pretty much a topic of discussion for all of Melee’s history up to this point, with many many players agreeing that the matchup is heavily in Marth’s favor
- Mang0 never winning a summit and historically having his worst tournament performances at previous summit iterations
If this doesn’t make you want to play melee then I don’t think anything will
Well said.
@@ipat202 this is why i love this game
All of it was because it was the first tournament in person in a long time. Unfortunately, this type of tournament is most likely a once in a lifetime occurrence. All the nerves and pressure of the LAN setting make even these top players crack. I think everyone played worse than usual and it made guessing who would win nearly impossible.
why would this cool story make me wanna play this shit looking game lol
My headset fell off my ears after what Mango did I kept saying "Mango Nation, Fox McCloud" after game 3
The script writers deserve a bonus after this tournament
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Would have been better if yingling won tho
yessir
lmao yes i love it
i literally own the stuffed animal in ur pfp
In the wise words of PPMD: "What if I'm the one making you play bad".
So true I've seen people saying it's not the greatest set of all time just because zain played bad. Not ever taking into account how intimidating a fox playing insanely aggressive after losing 2 matches against a marth on fd is.
Very true. Zain was playing out of his mind this tournament. Mang0 was playing very sloppy up until he started his losers run. Then he got on fire and steam rolled through everyone.
Once he faced Zain, Zain kept cracking under Mang0’s insane pressure with his Fox. If you notice that every time Mang0 let up, Zain would take it and run a mile with it. His punish game was so dangerous but at the very end he cracked under the pressure and dropped the combo that could’ve won him the tournament.
Mango lost his first bracket set, his entire tournament is a losers run
@@raphaelchantigny7409 what I meant to say is that up until he lost to Plup he was playing bad
That quote is badass
This is the first Melee tournament I've watched. Holy shit I'm sold.
Is your last name Yingling?
Perfect one to start with.
Welcome to the best part of the world
Hope you enjoy your stay
Melee is the GOAT
I said the same thing 9 summits ago
top 5 sets of all time
Love your videos dude
@@Clarinet69 They mean that's it's a part of the top 5 sets that have been played, not necessarily that 5 sets here are the best since they only played two
@@Clarinet69 And I was taking you literally ;)
@@IzWarped now kiss each other
Didn't know you were a smash guy. Cool af.
I actually can't believe what I just witnessed. Felt literally scripted.
Plot armor
I feel the same way. Zain been looking unstoppable and Mang0 was looking down in both GF sets
Never seen fox movement like that, and this is literally the fox slayer he playing against. What an insane losers run
Melees main character
I do not have the words to express how legit watching this tourney has been.
Pay scar enough money and anyone can win. He writes the script.
Certified banger.
Cant wait for the breakdown on this one. Buttclenched is an understatement.
Yo walt!
"Pressure can make diamonds bobby"
Use that in your next video
How are you not checkmarked?
Waiting for the 1 hour plus frame data video on this
For those confused about what is being blurred it is the logo which was the shine symbol but linked together like the olympic rings. For some reason the olympic committee is super protective of that logo and even though its completely different they still send cease and desist letters to anyone who has linking rings as a logo. Hell even talking about this I wouldn't be surprised if I got a cease and desist.
Watching live was an honor.
every single fucking time mang0 got grabbed i thought it was over and then zain would succumb to pressure and mess up and I would let out a sigh of relief
@@GabRadis it was the crowd chanting that got to him
I had so many heart attacks
@@Flip-a-dip-dip same
an experience of a lifetime. been watching since 2014 and I can easily say that was the best melee I've ever seen.
Amazing fact: Zain hasn't lost to a single fox in a set, in bracket since Leffen at Smash N' Splash 5... Until now.
And with 2 consecutive games on FD to back that shit up
smash n splash 5 leffen won right?
what year was that
@@ssbmblue3327 wizzrobe won that event over hbox
that HURTS damn
35:12 "Pressure makes diamonds, Bobby."
facts
Banger quote
RIP Mang0's liver after this
Yea this win might be the worst thing to happen for what's coming to Mang0's health, tbh im all for it
hhah yeah
Team Beer
I don't like Mang0, but if he dies from alcohol poisoning after winning Summit with the most skilled Plup, Axe, Zain, Amsa, Hbox, iBDW, Wizzrobe and N0ne we've ever seen with the highest prize pool of all time (in Melee lol) then Armada can sit the fuck down, Mang0 is the GOAT unless Armada makes a comeback and wins some majors back-to-back.
@@gishgoyim9170 I agree. Even though I like Armada, Mang0 just surpassed him. Armada needs to come back!
If this was the final set of Melee I wouldn't be dissapointed
There will always be more melee to be played
I wouldn’t be disappointed but I would be sad. I hope melee outlives all of us
Melee will be played until the all of time and space collapse on itself.
Melee will never die bro ❤️❤️
this will go down as one of the greatest sets of all time
100% and it will also go down as one of the greatest losers bracket runs of all time
Added to greatest melee sets of all time
Nah. this is THE greatest set of all time.
You're a smash fan
I will keep rewatching this match for years to come
One of the best sets of all time
THE best!!!
I would say this is THE greatest set of all time
Easily in contention for best of all time lol
For the first time evo 2016 grand finals has competition and it’s fitting
Evo 2016 was the most entered melee tournament
And summit 11 is the biggest pot of all time
Yeah no it's actually THE best set of all time
If you're watching this 5 years from now.
Good choice, enjoy the show.
think i saw a comment like this whenever I go watch a set from Apex 2015 lol, Melee forever.
Yes this was an amazing set, also the first grand finals I have watched!
Glad to be part of the comment thread from 5 years ago
@@nate5490 Same, like I know it’s obvious this isn’t 5 years in the future yet, but we will be thanking ourselves in 5 years! Maybe waluigi will be in smash by then? Or maybe just maybe, maybe they will make Switch online better?
fr
All it takes is 1 touch for HMW to know Mang0's about to win. "Yo he's cookin'", "Oooh the shield-drop" both preceding a set-winning combo. This felt so old school, man
what game was this in I wanna clip it
@@pranitpanda last match
So old school. As soon as Mango started coming back in the first set, Brandon was just yelling. No more eSports commentary, that was straight Genesis 2 stuff
Hey there, I stumbled upon this video (and wow it was so fun to watch). This might seem like a random question, is it normal for the contestants to sit inside someone’s apartment close together like that when they play, or is that a Covid thing?
@@jjmah7 it's the smash summit house. It's not really an apartment it's like a big ass house where the best melee players in the world get invited to compete every year. It's one of the most prestigious smash tournaments, if not the most prestigious
a classic
what’s up checkmark
Egg dog for smash
I love yur "aquire the sire" video
an assclencher
Zamsire?? 0_0
When Toph and Waffles said "who wants the 70% of the 45 thousand dollars" I got so emotional. Hearing that callback to commentary from tournaments on Waffles' channel over 11 years ago - we're still here. From Mango Juice and Pat's House - with prize pools of 45 bucks - to this. Goddamn melee, don't stop.
dude mango won 45k, the pot was 150k. Its so unbelievable how far we have come as a community and how far the game has been pushed. This is the greatest game ever made.
What’s the commentary set they’re referring to?
Yea it sounded like it was kinda huge, toph laughing about it spiked my interest
@@doomgu544 sage, I wanna know too
Dude hearing that just reminds me how hard melee got ho'd. In other esports I watch a garbage player makes six figures a contract.
When Zain plays well, it's terrifying.
When Mango plays well, it's beautiful.
When they both play each other, it's sick.
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Let it be known that no tournament series goes 11-0 against the Kid!
This might be the best set of Melee I've ever seen. Well fucking played to both. Mango looked so good some of these games.
Yeah I don’t even watch Melee often anymore but holy fuck this was hype I couldn’t stop watching.
People saying Zain didn't play his best, the thing is that mango's pressure was so immense it made zain start actually making mistakes, his hands were probably shaking. Zain knows NOWHERE is safe and mango was in his head
melee, hell - this might be the best set ever across all the smash games.
@@kkim5000 I'm an ultimate Evo 2019 fan myself, but I've always preferred ultimate.
@@calvinfullerton600 cool no one asked
Melee is beautiful
Truly is
Best game in the world, 20 years strong and beyond
sick*
The most entertaining game to spectate for me for sure
your hardware mods are beautiful :D
The storybook ending to the Slippi Rollback era and a new beginning for a rebirth of the offline scene. Couldn't ask for a more fitting Grand Finals here. Instantly in the Melee annals forever.
Long live this wonderful game. Melee is sick.
New beginnings (Zain & Mang0 rivalry being cemented in LAN) yet proving the old guard still has it (Hungrybox in 3rd). It’s gonna be sick as hell!
im honestly so happy that these two made it to GF, easily deserved it the most for putting in all those hours during the online era. cannot be understated that zain and mang0 are the best players in the world, super excited to see this new era of melee unfold, melee's so fucking sick
Hehehe annals heh
Storybook ending, perfect description to it. I’m not an Hbox hater, and his ultimate content is super entertaining, but I’m so happy the people that dedicated to melee during Covid got 1st and 2nd. Mango, who has done so much to keep the melee scene hype, got his 1st summit win. Scar commenting felt nostalgic but also natural and entertaining. This tournament being so hype and its results also highlight how crucial Fizzi is to melee as a community/culture too. The production being top notch added that much more to it too. Thank you Melee personalities, it was an amazing experience seeing this live.
Nice pfp, who is she?
“I honestly think fox beats marth”
CodyBDW stands stoically, slowly clapping
Leffen in shambles
Fuck ibdw and leffen
@@kofe87 just leffen
@@spimbles yeah at least Cody is the type of person who is willing to change his perspective. Leffen will never let mango prove him wrong lmfao
@chazzychoo @kofe87 no, fuck you two
stop being insulting to players for matchup for fuck sake
That feel when 2nd place is still the second largest prize pool in Melee history.
And well-deserved, too. That matchup was ART.
lmao sup big b0ng
One of the greatest sets I've ever seen. Melee is so sick man
Yeah this shit was unbelievable. I couldn’t stop watching.
FUCK!!!!
Between HBOX coming back, the mango losers run, zain looking unbeatable, and the mango zain finals it is the best tourney in my mind, storyline and gameplay, and the clutch in this set and the winner pulling the out the W was the icing on the cake.
I just really enjoyed the whole thing. Thanks you to each person who donated to make this tourney prize pool crazy, and all the production crew who made it happen. Thanks for a amazing weekend.
Don’t forget how insane Plup looked until facing Zain. He dropped something like 3 total games (not sets, just games) making his way through pools, through the gauntlet, and through the final bracket until winners semis against Zain.
The defeat by Zain seemed to mess him up, but before that he was playing out of his mind.
@Morph Ball Cody and leffen reeling rn
@@ostensiblyquerulous yea I honestly had a feeling plug was going to win the tourney going into Sunday, but zain and mango stole the show haha, what a insane tourney
zach smith Plup is entirely momentum based, the longer the tournament goes on the worse he does, just how he is. And against Mang0 and Zain, neither are gonna get steamrolled or flustered because they already play against the fasted players. Except aMSa, he flustered both of them.
One of the best for sure. Up there with Apex 2015 and Evo 2013
35:57 is like a timewarp back to 2009. Crowd cheering for Mango with Brandon on commentary. Didn't realize it in the moment but that gave me goosebumps watching it back later
This comment hurt. True, and glad to be revisiting 9 months later.
(SPOILERS)
Just have to shoutout Zain’s sportsmanship at the end - went straight for the hug with Mang0 before anything else. Such a respectable player in the game and out of it. He missed out on $23k (as in, that was the difference between 2nd and 1st place) and man you can tell the pressure this tournament was so real the closer it got to the end... tough loss, but huge shoutouts to the ManG0AT!! The Mang0 nation celebrates this day.
Zain got 23k
mango got 45k
Hbox got 18k
The prize pool was 150k
Everyone went home a lil richer even last place got a k
not to say it as an excuse, but do you think the chants at the end maybe got into his head even harder??? dude was getting shaky on those final stocks. both were. shit was intense. zain fucking flubbed last stock so hard dude im so sad. fucking amazing melee though.
@@auto144p6 NOpe
@@auto144p6 with tge door shut they might not have been able to hear it
@@auto144p6 maybe? I assume that room is meant to be soundproof though. But I understand being shaky during game 5 last stock grands lol
GREATEST SET OF ALL TIME, WATCHING LIVE WAS AN ABSOLUTE HONOR.
I popped off like 8 times. I love Mango
i felt things watching this set
Love your tag, watching this set live got me screaming "THIS IS THE RETURN OF NEO!". If you know you know.
@@donweas0 Who is Neo? :)
@@MotivatedStudent2000 Mang0s tag in game used to be "NEO!" because i think it was that everytime he played he just felt like Neo from The Matrix, or something like that, it's in Mang0s episode on the smash bros documentary.
melee is sick
Ay Breadsword, love your stuff man!
BASED-SWORD!!! Are you going to make a melee video? :0 @BREADSWORD
@@TapDat52K A breadsword melee vid would be sick
yes. it always has been.
We’re is the best place to get a gamecube with melee
Mango turns to Zain: “We both played bad“
“But this time, you played badder”
It was all of that pressure, a pressure so BIG it turns Gods into entry level 0-2ers, we all would cave under such a large amount of money,
I don’t think it’s possible to truly play good in a tourney.. you’re always gonna play “bad” compared to what you know you’re capable of, so it’s a matter of who is less affected by the tourney pressure. damn near every legendary set has so many flaws due to the pressure of wanting to win. Apex 2015 for example is known as one of the most legendary tourneys but if we watch it now, we realize how sloppy the play really was, and the fact that Armadas fox was still so new, yet he made it to grands and almost won.. then there’s evo 2016 where hbox got his signature rest cuz armada did the worse air dodge ever, etc.
@@joey5745 Zain definitely played worse this match compared to how he usually plays. IDK if he was able to hear the crowd but man, everyone was basically cheering against him.
@@XxRaceRCxX that’s the playing against mango special right there
Scar: "He's jumping OVER, he's moving UNDER, he's slidin' around!" lmaoooo
He brings the hype
Time stamp?
Scar is such a legend
@@Mannydude96 15:45
Three dots -> Open transcript -> Ctrl + F
I just searched up melee match and this was one of the first things that came up. I have never ever watched a melee match before and never played smash before but I think just seeing how complex and competitive this can get makes me wanna go ahead and try it out. :)
Glad to have you! I’ve been playing for a couple years, if you ever want to play lmk!
@@bool_master hey thanks for the response! Just one question. I want to specifically play melee but would that mean I would have to get a GameCube? Or is it possible to play through an emulator on the pc. If you can play on the pc, can you still play online on it. Sorry if this is a stupid question i just don’t know lol.
@@marcosaenz4719 yes! You can play on an emulator. If you got to slippi.gg all the information is there for you to get started playing online on your pc.
@@marcosaenz4719 it will be intimidating to start with because it takes a lot of technical skill, but if you devote, like, half an hour a day to just getting down the basics, then play for fun at your leisure, you will improve relatively quickly
The best game ever 20 years.
Can we talk about how mang0 played a total of 28 matches seriously fucking wild
a 7 set losers run is legendary
@@kennythekid130 you’re 100% right I also think a run like that is super intimidating for his opponents
Mango is the goat of melee people gotta respect that
it made him stronger as he fought!
@@amphilol8579 Armada will have something to say about this probably 😅
leffen will never hear the end of this
What did big lef say this time?
@@jdizzle1779 fox marth
Yeah I'm confused too ??
@@ericemery1228 The whole Fox Marth debate. Leffen thinks it's hugely in Marth's favor but Mang0 just won
Leffen should also never hear the end of the fact that he lied about zero helping push him towards suicide :)
Hax was right.
Scar: "This could be the last game"
Me: *Checks time on video. 10 minutes into a 40 minute vid
Me: "Damn, 30 minute popoff? Does Hungrybox somehow end up winning?"
lmao
great comment, liked
However many likes this comment gets, it deserves more
I mean mango would (and did) have to win three games from there to reset the bracket, and only then would it be a mystery still so I think that’s fair.
My first set ever was ken vs isai 15 years ago. I fell in love instantly with competitive melee. No other e-sports has come close to bringing the intensity that this sets have brought us. I just can't believe the way that this game has and is still evolving. Amazing set, congrats to Mango.
mine was mango vs wobbles evo 2013, just started playing at the beginning of this year
This one is gonna be remembered for a long time. What a sick way to return to offline melee
im gonna miss summit man
this was the greatest set of all time
Even tho I watched it live I had to come and watch it again. One of the greatest sets ever played. Melee is sick
Edit: I’ve now watched this every single day since the tournament
Same situation here
Same
These two young gentlemen are quite talented at Super Smash Bros Melee for the Nintendo Gamecube.
Quite indeed cheerio my good man
@@bobbyjohnson1086 yea veritably my good sir
Rightfully so, ol’ chum
Quite
One of the more exhilarating sets of the century if I do say so myself, chap.
13:12 The music synced perfectly with Mang0 taking Zain's first stock.
There are a few sets in Melee's History that sit in a tier of their own as some of the greatest ever played.
This set easily joins that tier.
That was freakin' amazing.
Fr up there with M2K/Shiz and Armada/Hbox as the landmark sets, the ones that showed that there was still so much Melee to be played
Agreed! I would also add Mew2King Vs Armada at Smash Con 2018 to that mix.
They're all so goooooooood 😭
@@FBBHRULEZ reverse sweep is unreal
Leffen/Mang0 Genesis is up there too
“Pressure makes Diamonds, Bobby”
Thats gonna go down as the classic line from this set!
anyone have a timestamp on this, i missed this godlike line
@@moooky52 35:13
@@moooky52 35:12 last match
One of the smoothest melee lines ever. Even when I was watching the set live I was thinking about that line more than the game for a bit
>zain up 2-0
*looks at video timer*
>10 minutes in to a 42 minute video
Oh, so this is like on survivor when you're only half way through the episode but they're already going to tribal council. Something's going down.
what a great analogy. god i wish i saw this live. i havnt watched hardly any melee in so long but this set reminds me of exactly what I've been missing.
Watching this live, I can't believe I broke the first rule in the book of Melee: Don't Sleep on The Kid. Mango finally taking a Summit after 5+ years of trying, in one of the greatest runs ever. Thank you to both of these players, and everyone else at Summit, for continuing to reinvent this game and deliver moments like these - 20 years and counting!
You we're not the only one who doubt on the GOAT
Losers side into winning the largest prize pool in melee history. That’s the Mang0
the entire loser's run was absolutely bonkers
38:30 iDBW’s face going through 5 different emotions just makes the moment magical
I fully expect a hundred comentary/analysis videos on this set, and I'll watch them all.
these were probably the greatest 40 minutes of melee that have ever been played.
this game will never die.
Not only will it never die but it will grow
only up from here
I'm not particulalry a fan of Mango0 but even I can't deny sometimes it feels like he is the protagonist of Melee.
Felt that
The plot armor is real - went in a doubter after the first match with plup, and came out a believer after watching the entire loser's bracket run - and here I am a month later rewatching the finals
I can’t put my finger on what exactly makes me root for Mang0 - best guess is he’s a ‘people’s champ’ meaning you take away his world class Melee skill and he’s just a regular dude. Whereas you take away a guy like Zain’s world class Melee skill and he’s still good at other stuff and has other things going for him. Everybody wants to watch a regular person be incredibly sick at one thing in the world, and put all his effort into that.
@@zogbogbean2464 maybe that’s why you root for him dude, but not me. I don’t cheer for people because they have ‘alpha energy’. If that was the case for me I’d root for Hbox. Dude is always trying to intimidate his opponents with his intensity.
@@zogbogbean2464 dude calm down with alpha and shit like that. All that shit is fake and ya need to chill on your wack ass redpill shit
This redeems all the bullshit this scene has gone through. Thankful to Fizzi forever... The online era should never die and should supplement the growth of the LAN tourneys yet to come. GG and the slippi kids are coming :) just give us some time.
yeah I love the idea of online events qualifying for events or getting your name out there to be top 100-200 then go by in person events
Melee just started
This has taught me more then ever that if your still alive even with 1 stock you can still win he didn't give up and thats what got him the W. He made Zain feel pressure like never before and God that was some amazing set
Honestly I can’t stop coming back to this match. Easily one of the best Grand Finals ever.
Dude I rewatched it 4 times already .. too unreal.
It’s so fucking sick
Easily the best GF atm, the entire storyline Is just insane. Not to mention that I already have watched It 4 times
This entire Grand Finals aged me at least 5 years brO my heart
"Was that the greatest set in melee history?"
Yes Lovage. Yes it was
greatest set in melee history SO FAR. There is so much more melee left to be played
Remember PPMD Armada Apex guys
Except that it wasn't.
I know we haven't played Melee offline for a while but the recency bias is super strong here imo... Leffen/Mango at Genesis, Armada/PPMD at Apex, Armada/Hungrybox at Evo... Idk if I can put this ahead of those.
Mango armada royal flush
The way that these dudes can express so much through their characters blows my mind. Melee is beautiful.
Echoes of other top sports moments, this was truly an all timer
I wonder if this set can be cited someday in some overall “greatest tournament sets of all time” list or whatever
melee needs to be seen so much more after thissss
My wife laughs at me for calling Melee a sport
Sam Gould divorce her
eSports isn't even sports. You twiddle your fingers
@@jaddal2215 but curling and ping pong and nascar are sports?
I'm 5 minutes in and cannot believe how fast and technical they're both playing. If you showed this to a player even three years ago it would completely blow their mind, let alone any time before that. Players are becoming so skilled. This was the best tournament I've ever seen.
When this was over my immediate reaction was that this is the greatest set(s) of all time. I've since rewatched it three more times, and I stand by that statemet. You couldn't ask for a better story. Mang0 going Fox against Zain's Marth just the prove the naysayers wrong. Reverse 3-0ing Zain while winning back to back on FD (a task that the experts pretty much said was all but impossible) Then of course the second set that went to game 5 last stock each 0% and Mang0 taking it in the end. Add to all that and you have the return to LAN and the biggest prize pool in Smash history. An all time classic.
greatest melee i have ever watched in my life. this friendly rivalry, and the amount of COMFORT to just fucking COMPETE AGAINST EACH OTHER and make something sublime, TOGETHER AS A TWO PERSON EFFORT, is something i have never seen before in competitive gaming in my life. i cried after watching this set live. . .
"There's so much more Melee to be played." - Mang0
Reminds me a lot of mango vs armada in 2014 and 2016. It's crazy that mangos been a part of two such crazy rivalries all these years apart
I've been an avid watcher of this game for 9 years now and this was absolutely the craziest set ever.
What an incredible tournament and an even more amazing ending
"I need a cigarette." I felt that.
I missed that live, but told my Dad that I felt like I needed a smoke and a firm handshake after that, lol.
@@aidanklobuchar1798 shut up aimen
Oscar: I need a cigarette
Me too Oscar. Me too.
Edit: No joke this is the greatest set of Melee I have ever seen in my 9 years of watching.
I was so weak when he said that lmao I can’t imagine how stressful that could have been watching it in the venue
35:17 "Pressure makes diamonds" absolute banger quote for the GOAT's mentality
The moment he came down with that drill at 18:26 his fox ascended to legendary status
Mang0 had the eye of the tiger here you could tell he wanted this so bad!
Also everyone played so well at this tournament. The Amsa sets were amazing, plup was killing it. Melee is moving into a new dimension and the players are getting sooo damn good.
This is Zains first loss to a Fox since June 2nd 2019, his first loss to a Fox on FD since March 25th 2018, and his first loss to a solo fox not named Leffen since March 10th 2018 when he lost to Crush.
Mango's not a solo fox though, he definitely used the bird vs ibdw and none
@@urallnoobs8943 solo Fox for the whole set. He’s 1-1 in games with Armada’s fox that’s why I made that distinction
disliked.
10:03 this is one of my all time favorite Smash commentary moments. A reference to a set from 12 years prior, with one of the players and multiple commentators being present in both.
Two things came out of those sets.
This grand finals will be a classic and HOF Grand finals
mango is the goat
As an avid Starcraft fan, this was awesome
Truly America’s esport, and there is no shame in loving a 20+ year old game !
Edit: also Mang0 is fu
Plenty of real sports are much older than 20 years
Also an SC fan, melee is the next best esport man
@@Phantom_madman yep, play and watch both games for 20 yrs + 10 years.
Love melee but melee is for everybody and not America's E-Sport
I watch this set every so often because this was the first tournament I ever watched fully and this was what convinced me to play the game. Every few months ill watch again and notice more as I get better. And every time I watch it just gets more and more insane.
Mang0s fox was moving like he was possessed. Absolute banger match.
The absolute crazy part is, in one of the pools vids, you can see comments saying Mang0 looked off his game.
@@GSEleven it’s true he really wasn’t playing well in pools, I kept thinking to myself he should just stick to falco but I’m so glad he didn’t
@@thomas-tk6ce He said it at the end to, I commented this before I heard that; I know it's true. But this turn around is insane. One of the greatest set of all time from a player that was losing confidence prior.
I can't believe a set topped EVO 2016 Grand Finals
the story lines, the return of offline melee, the losers run, game 10 bracket reset, largest prize pool EVER?!, and the highest level melee ever witnessed? oh my god its just,,,it will be very hard to top this, so incredible
They're actually pretty mirrored. This Summit was the highest prize pool. That EVO was the highest player count. Both eventual winners were sent to Losers by Plup who was playing insane. They both went on an insane Losers run (beating each other in the process) including running it back against Plup only to finally go against the Top player of the time. Both were in nightmare scenarios in the first set, being 2 FD games or down in stocks game 5 and being grabbed at kill percent on their last stock. Clutching it to Game 10 and winning.
The only appropriate thing is to have the Spiderman meme pointing at each other. Melee is scripted bro. 😏
@@risersin7957 not only that the leffen thing too
@@KaisenYTV Leffen thing?
You've seen Fox like thousands of times over the years, but mango still keeps his play fresh and stylish, even with that massive prize pool hanging in the balance.
Man never plays lame.
Gotta be a top 3 Melee set of all time. Maybe the best ever. What a way to get back to in person tournaments.
I swear there has to be some higher being that is scripting the whole story of Melee and mang0 is the protagonist.
I think it’s cause melee is so hard, that to be a top player you have to be all in. Your life has to be melee. So when you have so many people dedicating their life to something in search of the truth, then you can only get great results. In melee the truth is found after each set. Who had more skill but more importantly will.
Scar writes the script
"Fox McCloud's jetpack... it goes so far!" Is too good of a comment to not keep coming back to this set
38:48 CODY IN THE BACK WHEN MANGO TALKIN ABOUT FOX MARTH LMFAOOOOO
IBDW is trash
Kodorin's reaction when he says fox beats marth was my favorite haha (38:30)
@@TheShogu money match him
@@floods156 I meant he's a trash person who defends abusers like Jisu and Leffen. I don't care about his crusty fox.
@@TheShogu how is Jisu an abuser???
MOST INSANE SET I'VE EVER WATCHED! Literal tears came out of my eyes from how much of a roller-coaster ride this was. Thank you Mang0 and Zain for playing melee :3
38:29 IBDWs frame-1 transition into a thousand-yard stare, his soul leaving his body
This
I'm watching this again, being fully aware of how it ends, and I'm still like "no way Mango wins this"
I tried watching as a “Zain’s fan perspective” and i got to the point where i was like no way he loses this haha, what a set
Nick Yingling was the mastermind the entire time. He got to watch this in person.
And got $1,000 in the process
@@Jon-of6pd I mean I'm sure he paid that many times over to get there in the first place
this is my 3rd rewatch, "pressure makes diamonds bobby"
“Oh yo he’s cooking”. Yes Brandon, he do be cooking
he was cooking with gas
When Mango won on FD, the music playing was alternate FD theme. When Zain won, it was the normal FD theme. What if holdong down a trigger on the stage select screen was what Fox needed to win on FD all along?
Well I've come back to watch this set again, probably the 10th time - greatest Grand Finals in Melee history if you ask me.
When I hear Toph scream "We got a second set!" and HMW yell "We got a reset!" I still get goosebumps.
The single best set of melee I've ever watched, hands down
Melee is fucking amazing
mang0 did the pound 3 "I wanna go home"
wins the whole fucking event
Thats the mango
I will never stop coming back to watch this. Favourite 2 players of all time, the GOAT commentators (pressure makes diamonds bobby?? Jesus HMW is Godlike), old school brain melting fox gameplay from mang to win. Incredible
The greatest Melee set of all time. This game will never die
There’s some sets that are better but this was legendary
@@voodooedits785 damn you might want to get your opinions checked out by a professional, something is clearly up
@@Kimjoelun wow you clearly don’t know what an opinion is
@@voodooedits785 yeah sorry I was being 100% serious 🥺🥺🥺🥺😥😥😥😥
@@Kimjoelun It's fine.
This will soon be the most epic doc episode of all time
(Mad World playing in the background the whole time)
Mangos got one hell of a pair of balls on him, his playstyle is just nutty. As long as he's competing I'll want to see him do well and have fun
“Melee’s sick”
- the kid, the goat, the buster