Why Tywin's Death Was So Brutal 😨
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Tywin was a great administrator but so cruel to almost everyone, even his own son. As terrible as his death was, he made it happen.
To be honest I wouldn’t even call him cruel to anyone but Tyrion and the Targaryen children if he did in fact know what kind of beast Ser Gregor was when he sent him and Amory Lorch to deal with them.
I’d think he’s just an extreme pragmatist, he needs to show the Westerlands what happens when they disobey their liege lord so he makes an example out of the next rebelling houses, increasing the fear and respect of house Lannister while also setting the Westerlands on the correct path. He needs to prove his loyalty to the new king so he slaughters the allies of the old king which allows the Lannisters to become royalty. He needs to lure Eddard Stark out so he sends Ser Gregor to burn down the Riverlands so he can end the conflict as quickly as possible which does fail but only because his son intervenes and injures Lord Stark.
@@ezdub5762what about Tysha's rape?
@@ezdub5762 "He's not cruel, he just constantly feels the need to do cruel things." Bruh.
@@tarvoc746 what I’m saying is he’s not really traditionally cruel as in he’s doing things in a logical way, not only for ambition although it is a huge part of it. Ramsay and Roose Bolton are cruel and enjoy every second of torture they put people through, Tywin just does whatever he thinks is necessary to get the job done quickly and cleanly regardless of morals or emotions.
“What a shame, he was a good man, what a rotten way to die”
Tywin's death is the most ironic of the series. He spent his entire life cultivating a legacy as a great leader but, as seen in the play watched by Arya in Braavos, he'll likely be most well remembered for being killed on the privy.
Just like Elvis
@@reallue Or Uesagi Kenshin
That's what happens with people who can't take a joke, which is what Tywin based his entire personality on.
And also throughout the books he’s this stoic badass who doesn’t show any fear, but as soon as he’s shot he’s wide eyed and panicking.
@@matthewriley7826 In all fairness, I'd be pretty panicked if someone busted down my toilet stall and shot me
“I am you writ small” is one of the hardest hitting lines of TSOIAF, as it holds such truth while also being a biased statement from a character we know and love.
That line should of been in that scence in the TV version.
@@robertharrison1058 honestly this and the Tysha confession is what elevates this scene as one of my favorite from the book, the show does okay at adapting it, but just doesn’t stick the landing the same way the book does.
@@blakeandthecake4368the tysha confession being omitted was a big element in Tyrions character changing even Jamie because he finds out Cersei cheated on him , but I guess they were worried that we wouldn’t like Tyrion when he takes a darker turn.
and that is the moment Tyrion becomes the villain of the story.
@@ACinemafanatic it’s not like we liked him for taking a good turn.
He was literally caught with his pants down. That's tough buddy
Especially for a man who fancied himself a great tactician.
The old prison rule shit with one leg out of your pants so you can jump up and throw hands without falling over instantly
@@TheRealRusDaddy Never heard that before. Smart advice
*rough buddy
@@mick9757nope I meant to say tough
That part when Tyrion says "Do me a kindness now and die quickly" and then it says "For once his father did what Tyrion asked him", is one of the most badass moments in the books and the show skipped it.
U would need a narrator for that
What so he just says that line and Tywin goes floppy? That doesn't sound like a cool scene. @@ugly_larva
It's great, wouldn't really fit the show though.
@@deft4184how so lmao
@@ugly_larvaThat's dumb and that line wouldn't mean shit without a narrator and a narrator would be dumb too. Stop fantasizing about being a better writer than D and D just because they messed up the final seasons. Seaon 4 is some of the best in the history of TV.
What I find most cruel thing about his death is that Tywin had just got everything he wanted. Tommon was King, the North was in line, tyrian would be died soon. Died on the eve of his victory.
Eh idk how it’s cruel. Tyrion lived so I think it’s a perfect ending for an awful man.
@@Exorcist364xs maybe cruel was the wrong word
That’s irony for you. The man who claimed to do everything for family died because of how poorly he treated his family and his inability to recognize who his kids actually were. In the end family was more important than politics and that was his big weakness.
@@ChanellorWarfare"Cruel irony" is more accurate, me thinks
I don't know if you're going by the show or the book, but the North was not even remotely close to being in line.
Honestly...its just beginning.
I'm speaking on the books 📚
A theory I like very much is that Tyrion might be Tywins only actual child. The twins might be the mad kings bastards, which also could explain cerceis madness and the inc*st. It would be the perfect irony for Tywin, as the one he would always shun, not calling his son was his only true child and heir from the start
And if we follow the show ending it seems the madness is a heritable genetics so basically cesie, rhaegar, viserys and daenerys were all victim of second generation heritable madness, and joffery was third gen.
That would also mean that both Jaime and Tyrion killed their respective fathers
@@sixstringman2862Which would make it even more ironic since Aerys was the one who ordered Jamie to “kill his father.”
Weird, i kept hearing this type of theory the other way around. That Tyrion was the product of the Mad King doing Tywin's wife.
Anyway, Cersei might have come into her madness from her own family's marrying close relatives. Joanna was Tywin's first cousin (i think), and they were not even the first to do so. Marrying ones first cousin is actually considered inbreeding in some places.
No because Tywin would know if the twins are his children lmao
Yo who tf made an Egyptian hieroglyph of this scene?!? 😂😂😂😂
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I'm trying to find out too, bc I suspect whoever did this did more scenes in this style too.
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The prophecy was foretold 😂
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"I'm you writ small" is such a powerful fuckin line. It really resonated with so many fans who experienced a similar sort of disdain from their own parents or guardians.
@emperorlelouch2726 "I'm you, but smaller."
@emperorlelouch2726 "I'm you [written off as/derided as] smaller [literally and figuratively]."
It's multi-meaning because he is often defined by his size (dwarf) and consequently has been figuratively written off his whole life. So really he's saying "I'm you if you were written off as a [figuratively] small being".
But obviously being his father's killer, he is demonstrating a quality of his father, so he also is denouncing that he was looked down upon (pun partially intended). Hence he is his father writ smaller-a mini-me, if you will.
@StarEclipse506 what the heck are you talking about. It just means "I am you made small."
I love that line in the book, Tywin did not in the end shit gold😂
It’s also pretty much canon that Tywin had been poisoned by Oberyn that very day with the poison known as “Widow’s Blood” which is described by Pycelle during Tyrion’s trial as shutting down a person’s bladder and bowels until they die from the body’s own poisons.
There’s quite a lot or evidence for this, from where Tywin is when Tyrion shoots him, to his color and demeanor during the last day of Tyrion’s trial. Perhaps most convincing of all is the simple fact that we know Oberyn held Tywin responsible for Elia’s death, even above Ser Gregor, and it seems unlikely that Oberyn would’ve risked his life without ensuring Tywin’s demise beforehand. And he did have breakfast in private with Tywin (and Mace Tyrell, a known buffoon) that very morning, what a coincidence….
This was all part of the Martell master plan that they cut from the show
Tywin's body is also described as looking strange and bloated, with his mouth contorted into a weird smile, which creeps out Jaime.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 and also it reeked. That unusual, because church of seven knows how to correctly do embalming to body.
I always figured shae was the one that poisoned him.
To be honest Tywin probably would have been proud of Tyrion if it wasn't for the fact that he was the one being killed. "A Lannister always pays his debts" and after all the shit Tywin put him through he definitely had a debt that was paid in that moment. Not to mention that Tyrion was the closest to him in intelligence and ruthlessness. Only where Tywin lacked in empathy Tyrion learned it due to being treated poorly throughout his life and realized that even beggars and cripples deserve kindness.
Tywin also killed his father for dishonoring the family to the point of betrayal. He has no right to complain, given his actions ultimately all but completely wiped out the Lannisters.
He would never be proud of Tyrion in any way, he didn't hate him because he was a dwarf or because he tarnishes the family's name those are extra things, he hated him from the moment he was born because he "killed" the only person Tywin loved unconditionally.
"I am your son; I have always been your son." "I am you father writ small." Both the show and books had great lines for this moment.
Idk how you put those 2 lines together like that and call them both great.
True, and playing the “Rains of Castamere” in a solemn way shows how House Lannister will only fall…
@@matthewriley7826 one of the few things that the show had and the books don't were the great music by ramin javadi, dude murdered it
"Men shit themselves when they die." Ironically, this could be considered a more dignified death for Tywin, because his clothes stayed clean.
That pic of Tywin as a wight is so unfortunate and sad. But that's the real horror. A powerful, intelligent, and dangerous man--reduced to a mindless, living corpse...
The bolt opened his bowels and spread through that area of his body, so the stench at the funeral was awful. Everyone mentioned how horrid it smelled. Olenna Tyrell got to throw some shade at Cersei bc of how humiliating it was. The kids cried and wanted to go home. He stank up the whole sept.
I have the Lannister house banner hanging in my bathroom doorway lol
"Hear me roar!"
I sometime yell out the Lannister words in the bathroom after eating Taco Bell. "But now the Febreeze, weep o'er his privy, and not a soul to hear"
Not a wise choice given a Lannister is killed in the privy by his kin.
@@Masitu0031 luckily I have no kin that want to kill me. Yet
Why did you pick the one with the cringiest House slogan
@@Onigirli because the booty will not be silenced
I just realized that robert foreshadows tywins death when he says that people shit themselves when they die.
In the show it took two shots to kill Tywin.
In the book...only one🏹
Just another reason the books are better!
@@matthewriley7826
THANK YOU!!! 🎊
@@matthewriley7826Obviously, the books are better, but one arrow or two makes literally no difference lmao. Two actually makes it better imo
The crazy thing is if this moment never happened and just escaped Tywin would have been inevitably killed by Varys along with Pycelle.
Dude. If Tywin wasn’t shot the Lannisters would still be running Kingslanding, he would have shut down the sparrows easily, and he would be running the small council. Pycel got whatever power he had from Cersie, who only had power because Tywin was dead. Theres no chance he would have even gotten his chain back with Tywin.
@@GaiaJendaI presume you don’t know about Tywin’s poisoning then. which in the end would’ve killed Tywin off, how soon is unknown but it wouldn’t take long either.
And it just shows that as much as Tywin fancies himself as a major player, there are people who are playing at a higher level.
Another comment pointed out it was likely that Tywin had already been poisoned with a toxin that causes lethal constipation, hence why he was confined to the privy for so long. The crossbow to the bowels relieved the blockage and allowed him to shit himself to death. He was a dead man anyway, if that was the case- clearly the gods were very unhappy with Tywin.
Getting shot in the Groin sounded more likely to die from bleeding out than just shoulder wounds.
Either HBO wouldn’t show his crotch or Charles Dance didn’t wanna show his crotch.
It would've been too magnificent for us to comprehend. 😢
Most likely Charles refused to do the scene without a modicum of modesty
He shot him above the groin in the abdomen tho
We can imagine it well enough, no need to show it.
Even Charles Dance had to draw the line somewhere.
What i love about this death is the « you shot me ». Tywin was surprised, and he was only surprised by Tyrion. If Tywin had love Tyrion, he would have been the ruler of the seven kingdom
They never tell you how they shit themselves
Tywin was absolutely one of my favorite characters from the show. Yes, a villain, but a smart villain.
Not smart enough
Not smart enough to die on a toilet.
@@winzyl9546not really a villain
In the books, there was a quote about House Lannister that said Tywin was so wealthy that he must shit gold. We saw the line a few times in the books, not realizing that it foreshadowed his death.
He was most likley a dead man walking since his body rotted rly fast and had a very bad smell, sings that he got slowly poisend.
Or it speaks to the theme that "Lannisters shit gold," and the fact that Tywin smelled terrible spoke to the truth: the Lannisters are no different than any other House in Westeros
@@qjames0077 its been a while since i read the books but if i remember correctly, jaimie thinks of it while guarding his fathers body at the funreal. Apperently the smell was so bad that no one could take it longer than a few seconds. Guess i ll go and check, starting at book 1 so i will tell you in a few months .P
@@davidschutz693 It is doubtful that he was poisoned. And the fact that his body began to rot is probably a reference to Dostoevsky where in The Brothers Karamazov, the body of the Elder Zosima begins to rot, which is considered a sign that he has not become a saint.
Pubic hair was a detail that wasn't needed.
That’s why it’s taking 15 years to finish the series. GRRM is too busy struggling over details like “blood dripped down his pubic hair”
@@notd0ll109😂😂
What about sunlight reflecting on the stream of urine?
😂@@Alknix
Or a description about some girl having the runs due to bad water? Oh for f*ck's sake, George. LESS IS MORE. Imply that some of these things are happening rather than describing them in minute, scatological detail.
This is just an [ORIGINAL STORY, DO NOT STEAL] that he jerks it to, and incidentally, has gotten paid handsomely for it. Now he's sick and tired of it and refuses to finish it.
Tywin was not a man with many faults. He may have only had one: he hated Tyrion because he was a dwarf and blamed Tyrion for his wife's death - it's the only thing emotion blinded his reason about. Tyrion was the perfect heir for him. Working together, the Lannisters would have won the Game of Thrones and it wouldn't have even been close.
Tywin's flaw was being a bad parent all around. While he made his family strong on paper he neglected making it a real family. That is why the Starks ultimately won.
@@RandomPerson-yq1qk The Great Northern Conspiracy displays how the Starks were the only House that knew how to win the game. Not by scheming, not by force, not by terror. But by showing honor and justice towards their subjects.
The Starks command more loyalty in their ruin than any other House at the height of their power. And this, Tywin never understood.
Because Tywin's idea of familial love is to treat his children as dogs to be trained, and all of his subjects are just meat to him. He treated Cersei like a breeding mare, to be sold off for political gain. He wanted Jaime to be his heir, despite Jaime being completely unqualified for lordship and his only strength being battle. And he scorned his only competent son, Tyrion, and did everything in his power to have him killed. Tywin saw what he wanted to see, and his blindness killed him and doomed his house far more than any of the Stark blunders doomed theirs.
Tywin did not nothing but sow disunity in his family and then wondered why he was getting shot in the privy.
"He had everything but lost it all in a single moment."
Will Smith: 😐
“A reputation takes a lifetime to build, but only seconds to destroy.”
Do you really think will lost everything?🤣 Respect might have gone down for him but if I didn't know the situation I'd think he slapped the fans from how salty you mfs are over it🤣 let it go🤦
@@ItsAme7143also I don’t think anyone is salty, people just see him as an embarrassment and use him as an example of how not to be.
So much more awesome than in the show, but they would’ve never allowed that on TV
And Tyrion's motive was better in the books since Tywin confessed about Tyrion's first wife and true love.
Yeah they’d never allow a faithful adaptation of good writing to be done consistently. Trying to make D&D do right by their source material is like trying to bathe a cat.
They've allowed much much worse than that did you even watch the show🤣
man obviously a brillant writter but why is GRRM always having odd lines like "the blood dripped into his pubic hair" 😂😂
I think its to depict the brunt realism set in the game of thrones series of books, as much as they are fiction, it is best when it emulates the truths of real life, as its said, Tywin Lannister did not shit gold, for he was as human as us all, a human that could die, bleed, and had pubic hair.
Because he's not a brilliant writer. This writing is from a literary perspective amateur hour. What he might be is a brilliant story-teller. Two different things.
@@bohun28 Why do you think this text is poorly written?
@@morvran9074because she’s edgy and fishing for likes
It’s actually cause he’s a fucking weirdo
with that thumbnail, i thought that Tywin was gonna freeze to death on a mountain and his eyeball and skin comes off but that didn’t happen
Nope still waiting for the next book for the last like 140 years so....
The most powerful, intelligent, and feared lord in all of Westeros. Countless battles and great victories under his name. Raised the Lannister house single-handedly to glory.
Killed on the toilet by his dwarf son.
RIP
most likely a reference to Henry III Valois, King of France and would-be King of Poland (he was elected king in a free election but resigned when he was given the throne of France). He was murdered by stabbing while receiving an audience in the privy. Although there were more such stories, of course.
I thought Tywin killed Joffery; it made a lot of sense, too. Joffery was out of control and ruined everything Tywin worked hard to build. He'd be damned if he let anyone destroy his house even his grandson, and who would care? Everyone is more scared of Tywin than Joffery, plus Cersei needs her father more than her son. By putting Tommen on the throne, he'd be back in control of things.
I dont think tywin wouldve killed joff. The theory never made sense to me. Joffery's death wouldve inconvienced him but i always thought he just pivoted
Tywin was unwilling to kill Tyrion, who he *loathes* , for many years, so it would probably take more than Joffrey being a stupider Aerys to get him to kill a family member.
my theory is that little finger wanted to kill tyrion, that's why the poison was in his cup, kill tyrion, kidnap sansa and have her married off as she can only be married when tyrion dies as there's no proper divorce. this would make littlefinger have ownership to vale and connection to winterfell as long as he can manipulate sansa, thus owning 2 of the 7 kingdom.
@@hydroking2969Was the poison even in Tyrion's cup? Also what was Olenna doing then? I doubt she was just bullshiting to Maegery and Tyrion being arrested and executed would free up Sansa to marry a Tyrell.
@@hydroking2969the poison was in tyrions slice of pie, not wine. In the show it was wine, the book shows joff chocking on the pie. But yes i agree Littlefinger meant to kill Tyrion
I really like the theory that someone(likely Oberyn Martell) had poisoned Tywin and that’s why he was having gastric distress as well as why Cersei’s inner monologue in AFFC mentions how unnatural and extra quickly his smell and rate of decay are respectively. I believe she even admonishes Pycell for doing a bad job with the body.
It’s a superfluous theory that doesn’t mean much but just adds extra detail to the lore.
If Tywin gave Tyrion the respect he EARNED and worked with him closer to rule the realm, House Lannister would have been the next House Targaryen
Aí não haveria história.
And that’s the real tragedy of it all. Had Tyrion been treated like a human being the Lannisters would have been THE most powerful house in westeros
The sad thing is, they had it all. Especially when their mother was around. Even Twin was a better man. If she had lived, their lives would have been very different. She might even have succeeded in breaking that sick codependency Jamie and Cercei had.
Nah, Jaime was all right. Cersei was the crazy one.
just goes to show once again, that if the lannisters loved each other without any ulterior motives like the starks did, they would’ve won the game of thrones. every failure of theirs was caused by them trying hurt each otherz
When you've won the war against outside entities then you to turn to war within.
I don’t know why D&D tried to make Tyrion this moral, kind man. We love Tyrion and we root for him, but he’s kind of a horrible person, like pretty much most of the characters in ASOIAF.
There were alot of things D&D didn't catch from the books. Either because of their vision for the show or personal tastes
Horrible? Lots of characters do terrible things in the books, but the difference is that they often had no reason to other than greed or petty malice. Take Joffrey, for instance. He has no excuse for his behavior, he's just a literal spoiled bastard.
Tyrion, on the other hand, had only been gone hardly a day before Shae abandoned him. Now, you could say he was a fool for thinking a prostitute actually fell in love with him, and that killing her was a bit extreme, but you can't say, especially after the awful day he had, that it came out of left field and Shae did no wrong.
And if you're going to tell me Tywin didn't deserve to die, let me remind you how horrifically he treated Tyrion's wife just to teach his son a lesson. And that's just one sin of many.
If GRRM's intention was to make me see Tyrion as a villain, he failed. He's just a good man pushed too far, and I totally understand that.
I don't know where people get this idea.
I'm pleased with the change. It would be hard for us to sympathise with Tyrion if he were a prick.
@@leonrobinson8180 That’s stupid. The show changed every single character to whitewash “evil” characters and the “good” ones.
Tywin, a man who constantly humiliated women and had them raped and their children murdered was painted as this smart and wise guy, while Ned was painted as some idiot when in reality everyone in king’s landing was against him thanks to Baelish and the city watch numbered in the thousands compared to his household guard. No matter what he did, Eddard wasn’t leaving that city as a winner because of Baelish.
I like how he got the scene in a version of an ancient egyptian hieroglyph. 😂
Damn, George. I didn't know he shat himself too. 😂😂😂
People tend to do that when they die
Tywin was dying anyway. He was constipated because he was poisoned. There are mentions of him haveing constipation for a few days IIRC. Also someone tried to kill Tyrion at Joffs wedding. It was Tryions slice of pie that poisoned Joff.
It was probably Oberyn that poisoned Tywin.
@@Lucius_Aurelian yeah that's my guess also. It fits, he wanted Sansa, sneak her away as tyrion dies, same plan different death.
I believe you’re correct about Oberyn poisoning Tywin, but Joffrey’s poison was most definitely not intended for Tyrion. It’s been twice confirmed that Olena Tyrell and Littlefinger plotted to kill Joffrey. Olena wanted to protect Margaery from Joffrey and hoped she would get passed off to Tommen, and Littlefinger wanted to get Sansa out of King’s Landing. Plus the whole “Chaos is a ladder” bit, Baelish probably would have helped even if it didn’t include Sansa.
@@pjanderson4876 I know all that too, and we know littlefinger hired the midgets to inflame Tyrion to make tension between the 2. Yet we still cannot explain how joff was poisoned. Because he ate tyrions slice of pie, not his own, and they had no way of knowing Tyrion would be serving joff wine. So was the poison in the wine or the pie? Or was it administered another way? We do not know. It is not fully explained like you think it is.
@@Thomk121 It was in the cup, Olena Tyrell took it from Sansa’s hairnet earlier on and put it in there during the change over between the dwarf show and the pigeon pie. Olena wouldn’t have done it just to save Sansa, and she had no problems with Tyrion. She even liked him because of how he treated Sansa. If the sole goal was to get Sansa away, they could have just broke her out sometime. Tyrion escaped from the dungeons of the Red Keep, made it all the way up to the Tower of the Hand and back down to the docks without being spotted. Surely Sansa could have escaped with the same amount of help. She is a beautiful but general average looking girl. Tyrion is the most famous dwarf in the world. It just wouldn’t make sense if the goal wasn’t to kill Joffrey with the added bonus of saving Sansa.
i heard in the books tyrion becomes more dark after this, could it be said that after killing tywin tyrion slowly becomes like him, acting cruel and spiteful then maybe he'll realise this in future that he's acting like tywin and stop acting spiteful in wanting to ruin westeros
Tywin's death didn't really change him.
But he also learned that his first wife wasn't a whore. And that she hadn't been paid to sleep with him.
Knowing that she really cared for him and that ahe got r*ped by all te soldiers afterwards changer him.
Who knows.
Imagine he becomes what he killed a full on tywin lannister but working on the side if danaerys
He does get darker though never loses his clarity of thought.
He doesn’t really, he just wanders around with Griff and co. Iirc he even dives into the polluted river (the Rhoyne?) to save someone at risk of grayscale. The only dark thing I recall him doing is saying he wanted to kill and rape Cersei but those are just words. I mean killing Shae is pretty dark but I’m pretty sure he did that before killing Tywin.
Was an epic chapter in the book. A lot of build, stories about Tyris's childhood, a falling out between Tyrion and Jaime, and (much like the purple wedding) u could tell it was building up to something big. And Tyrion's wit throughout it all was so entertaining.
The TV show tried to make Tyrion look like a part of him regrets it.
the part that baffles me is that Tywin should've known Tyrion didnt kill Joffrey. And someone out there did. Plotting from inside the castle. He was so quick to use this to get rid of Tyrion that it was the fatal mistake for house lannister.
I remember loving that last line he "did not, in the end, shit gold". Brilliant
I still like the theory that The Mad King banged Joanna and got her pregnant. There are 2 different times where Tywin directly tells Tyrion he isn’t his son. This scene here and when he asks for The Rock. “Men’s laws give you the right to bare my name and walk around in my fathers sigil and his father before him. Since I cannot prove you are not mine!” The Mad King has a history of deformed babies being born
Jamie and Cersei show far more Aerys traits than Tyrion. Also Tyrion is increasingly becoming more and more like Tywin as the books go on. Imo if the Aerys/Joanna theory holds any weight it's that the twins are the children of the Mad King. Makes for far more ironic tragedy, with both Jamie and Tyrion killing their fathers and Tywin heavily rejecting his only true heir and questioning his legitimacy his whole life. This scene especially cements for me that Tyrion is a true son of Tywin, and deep down they both know it!
@Neil-qg9cw No, this would make 0 sense. First theory is legit
@@alyssum130 even if my theory wasn’t actually true. Tywin still could have believed it. The mad king flirted openly with Joanna (regardless if it was reciprocated) and said he should have been awarded first night. Which obviously pissed Tywin off to no end. Also, we know that Tywin saw first hand the deformed babies the mad king produced. All the comments from the mad king, all the deformed babies and his wife dying was too much for Tywin to bear. Could have easily been just imagined and believed by Tywin.
“You are an ill made, spiteful creature filled with lust and low cunning” definitely sounds like mad king shit.
Lastly the Black Flame tells Tyrion he sees his shadow snarling amidst everything. Dragons can snarl just like lions can too.
Crap. Forgot one more thing. Jamie gets to the siege of Riverrun and talks with his Aunt Genna Frey (Lannister). She told Tywin that Tyrion was more like Tywin than either of the twins. Which pissed Tywin off and he didn’t talk to his sister for a long time
@knightsfb32 I really hope Tyrion is half targaryen. Would be so epic.
@@alyssum130 I agree but I also think Tywin believing in an untrue event is possible too.
I loved the somber almost resigned tone in the series. The abscence of the bitter glee brings out the pathos of the scene and the drama and i think makes a more inpactful memory
How to Train your Dragon section is a massive win for me
Dude hit the most badass line like damn Tyrion rolll credits
Sometimes in the book tywin seems like the smartest lannister. And though he's mean to tyrion, he seems to try to make wise choices and he is totally aware how cruel joffrey and cersei are. Everytime he was mean to tyrion I would be angry cause he knows he suffers but won't give him any kindness. But I also think maybe losing his wife to father him really soured him worse than ever.
I love the hieroglyphics! Thats a great rendition of things to depict artistically, and i hope to see alot of stuff made like that.
"What ACTUALLY happened in the books"
*Exactly what happened in the show*
You got that joe Biden memory
One of the best scenes in A Storm of Swords. The last HALF of that book is just constant climaxes and world-altering moments.
Tyrion was one of the best characters in GoT and you will never be able to convince me otherwise.
“He did not, in the end, shit gold.” That line killed me.
The otf repeated jape about his father was yet another lie...
Tywin as a white walker looks cool
He died on the Throne
One of those time where TV show did better than book to narrate the story
I will not agree. There was a narrative in the book showing Tywin's hypocrisy, highlighted by the fact that Shae was wearing his chain (and Tywin hated his father Tytos for giving his mother's jewelry to the whores he brought to Casterly Rock). And the fact that Tywin hated people who had sex with promiscuous girls. Moreover, Tyrion learns from brothel mom/owner from the Summer Islands and Varys that one of the king's hands built a tunnel connecting the Red Keep with this brothel. And it was most likely Tywin. The aim of the book was to deheroize the legendary Tywin and show that he is in fact very similar to Tyrion.
That was always one of my favorite lines
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Tywins death was one of the few things handled better in the show.
It felt more cold of Tyrion to simply shoot Tywin for saying "whore" too many times, coldly reloading, and then finishing Tywin off instead of making quips about Tywin being a quick thinker.
The comment about Tywin not having shit gold also takes away from the scene imo.
The only thing missing was Tyrion asking about Tysha, but that's also because they misshandled Jaime's confession to Tyrion earlier
“For once he did what his son asked” that’s cold af
Tywin's ONLY legitimate child!
Cersei and Jamie were the Mad King's.
Incest. Twins. Cersei going mad and her obsessions over prophecy.
Jaime's swordsmanship prowess and stature.
None of this is Tywin's or Joanna's style.
I think Tywin always knew deep down and resented his only heir being a dwarf.
The only child that ever mirrored his own wit, planning, and intelligence.
You need more than just personality traits to say that wasn't his kids🤣 I didn't read that part of the book so maybe there's more to it than that but if that's all you're going off of... There is absolutely no reason to be this confident 🤣
Joanna and Tywyn were first cousins....there, you got your incest. While Aerys wanted Joanna to humiliate Tywyn for his good governance,.anyone that believes he would not net an dearly Death by faceless men if Tywyn ever even dreamed Joannawas raped or cheated on him is delusional...that woman was his Sun. Anyone that looked at her wrong was dead. That simple FACT kills any theory about his children not being his. His PRIDE would simply not permit anything less.
The last part was comedic gold
I always thought Tyrion was a Targaryen. They say the mad king took her to bed. The dragon has three heads. He always wanted to be a dragon. The dragons responded to him when he unchained them.
no, he definitely Tywin's son. Not everyone has to be secret Targaryen. Cersei and Tyrion is like Tywin but Jaime is changing
Okay, that Egyptian mural goes hard.
Ironically, Tywin was likely already dying of either dysentery or poisoning when Tyrion shot him.
Reminds me of that south park episode where Cartman or one of the boys said people shit themselves when they die and some dude dying shat himself violently lol
Or, you know, real life, where people void their bowels and bladders when they die…
Tywin died on his first period
I remember reading it and lol'd at the final bolt and Tywin's bowel release and the following commentary "indeed Tywin Lannister did NOT shit gold". haha!
RR Martin writing high fantasy for the dumbest generation
He just copy/pasted European history and added dragons and undead.
@@ianmacdiarmid1249 well I did a real poor job when he injected his own language into it. Even the short reading in this video is abysmal
He even stole his "RR" from Tolkien, so I'd say the writer fits the generation :)
@@MeanMachine1992 Especially with AI, right? Electronic Extrapolation is more accurate. EE. Digital theft in the name of establishing an indomitable regime of perverted criminals. :/
@@MeanMachine1992 "stole"? Tolkien was as talented and hard working writer, as Martin is, and all others who get to be loved y the people for the work they do. Tolkien had his noble style of writing, and Marting, he described the world as we have known it, that is mostly why his works are so loved nowadays. It is something special, a fantasy about a world as we have known it from our history, but with such epic tales and stories, with magic that makes you wonder about what is its meaning. Stories that move with you. Martin keeps us wander about what is and what was, about the meaning of things and about the brutality and unjustice in the world of ice and fire. And Tolkien, he was a man of god, and his works were mainly from the perspective of someone who was a religious man. He had angels and a god, full written stories about almost everything that was there to write about.
They are the same, yet they are totally different, and so, their works are uniquely beautiful and legendary.
He didnt steal anything, nor did he copy anything from any famous writer. He is the famous writer, for a reason, as was Tolkien.
He really was a force to be reckoned with. He really was a force to be reckoned with.
I have actually never read any of the books but if this is a quote then it's some of the worst writing I've heard.
Why do you think that?
If you haven't read the books or even watch the show, you're not going to understand the context. A lot of things sound and look bad without context.
You gotta read from the start to understand GRRM’s words. And well it is cool if you dont like it, it isnt for everyone.
@@morvran9074 it's amateurish writing.
@@diegobromfield context doesn't make something badly written.
It's just ugly writing.
Obviously, this is just my subjective opinion but I have read a fair few well written books.
I always thought Arya poisoned his wine and thats why he smelled so bad at his funeral.
Damn, Tyrion missed his shot by a few inches upwards
Beautifully edited
If he had treated Tyrion as a son, that one thing would've changed the history of Westeros. He could have controlled Joffrey and a lot of other things would live never happened
In the books, Tywin himself killed his own father because his excessive generosity had ruined the Lannister family's honor. So it is fitting that his own son would one day execute him for the same crime, albeit by a different flaw.
I actually like the show version better. Its a lot less coldhearted and Peter Dinklage's performance gives Tyrion a much more emotional view of the situation.
Also playing the Rains of Castamere in the scene is just a brilliant touch
The writing for Tywin’s whole arc is so genius
He had to put the first part in that much detail 💀
Tywin seems like someone that would destroy you at chess
Oh, that's a filthy, smelly death. However, Cersi set Tywin up knowing Tyrion loved Shae
That painting of Tywin makes me realizes that he could play the role of Moneo Atreides in God Emperor of Dune if they ever do adapt it
My favorite part is when Tyrion in the storm and she thinks “is this what I get for being a kinslayer? Has the father above made you his hand?”
I really like the part where you told us what Tywin was thinking
Martin was so good at depicting real consequences for his characters and their actions. As in reality, steadfast honorable men often die beside their actions, but every once in a while, the fearsome, cruel, and cunning men die beside theirs. Such behavior only works for so long, until the people have had enough.
In the end Tyrion was more like Tywin than Tywin ever wanted to admit he was the best of his children intellectual and tactically speaking which is another reason why he despised the way that Tyrion came out but didn’t really matter in the end though Tyrion was the last Lannister standing (assuming Jamie didn’t get Brieene Of Tarth pregnant which some fans think he might have )
Ngl. Compared to a lot of deaths in a song of Ice and Fire this was a happy ending for Tywin.
That's more disgusting than brutal.
God I can’t wait till I set aside some time one day to reread the books. They are so well written. A true adventure reading ASOIAF
Treating Tyrion badly was Tywins greatest mistake.
And this was after Tyrion called him out for what he did to him and Shae and even before thatTyrion lost it on Jamie for lying to him.
That’s nuts! With the narrator tho, for some reason it feels like comedy and not drama. Either way 😂
That was a mercy for Tywin. He had been poisoned by Shae. The red viper convinced Shae to poison tywin and he was dying on the toilet. Tyrion only sped the death up. That's why he isn't cursed as a kinslayer
Tyrion became trapped in a mountain after this and became the first vampire
Well at least he was no longer constipated.
The Egyptian painting 😂😂👍
There's a thoery that Tywin wasn't even Tyrion father. That the mad king was. That the mad king was sleeping with Tyrion mother. That's why the dragon doesn't kill him when he's face to face with it in the pyramid. Because he was actually a Targraryen.