Quatermass And Nigel Kneale
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Any kid of the 1970's in the UK still shudders at the thought of "The Children of the Stones", it was a made for TV kids series (one season, and one story), but lets just say, there is definitely a body count and a creepy feel about it.
Yes I really liked the Children of the Stones too. It felt a LOT like a Dr Who episode but I suppose that's only natural. I also always am happy when a cool British series is from ITV instead of the thrice-bedamned Beeb.
The horns making us remember/think about the book Childhoods End and the Overlords.
Unbelievably happy to see this, I love Quatermass (esp Quatermass and the Pit), so Sandy talking about it is gonna be gold.
Very interesting. I have the Quatermass Xperiment in my collection, but I have not yet watched it.
Bravo for "The Stone Tape." Fascinating, creepy, unusual story.
Unrelated: Is that a new fez?
Also, interesting historical footnote that Quartermass saved hammer film which enabled them to give us all those wonderful classics.
i haven't worn it for a while but it is about 2 years old.
@@SandyofCthulhu Spiffy! Glad to see you digging out the other fez.
I worked with a guy who as a child was in The First Men in the Moon. He was a Selenite. It was the only filming he ever did but what a one to do (:
holy cow, what a tale.
You're in for a treat when you watch the BBC's original version of Quatermass And The Pit, Sandy.
Got it on dvd but have not watched er yet.
@@SandyofCthulhu you really should, it's a very slow burn and the stilted awkward feel of 50s TV takes a while to get past, but once you do it's gold.
Throughout this vid I was half expecting a mention of "Chimera", you did not disappoint, great insights!
I actually misremembered it as being written by Kneale which of course it was not. But then I threw it in anyway because it's awesome.
I've seen 'Quatermass and the Pit' as well as the one with the guy-turned-tentacle monster, and so knew vaguely of Nigel Kneale, but not of all the other reasons we should feel gratitude to him. I certainly didn't know he'd written 'Abominable Snowman of the Himalayas', which I consider one of the best horror/SF movies of all time. Thank you for enlightening me, Mr. Petersen.
I love the thumbnail for this video so much.
Probably the most effective space horror for me was William Gibson's short story Hinterlands. The scary thing is not what comes from space, but what we do to mitigate its effect on us and exploit it.
How did I not know about these films?! Thanks Sandy! Now I just need to find them somewhere... also I love your editor. Keep the stuff like the phone ringing for humor, guitar noises when applicable. All solid.
Ironically the loss of the original The Quatermass Experiment TV series wasn't down to the BBC erasing the only copies. The reality was much worse: as mentioned, it was shot and transmitted LIVE, akin to watching a stage play as it happened. The BBC at the time were experimenting with making recordings of TV shows and did this for the first two episodes before deciding it wasn't worth the effort, which is why we have copies of the first two episodes but none of the ones after: nobody recorded the last 4 episodes as they were being performed and they're truly lost to time. Thankfully they re-examined this decision by the time Quatermass II was aired and everything since has been committed to tape in some capacity.
Wow. Well it's still the BBC's fault. Just for a different, and stupider, reason. As a fan of early Doctor Who I berate them in my head everytime I think about wanting to see The Abominable Snowmen or the Macra Terror.
@@SandyofCthulhu As a fan of Doctor Who as well, I share similar feelings.
The animated reconstructions of missing stories are an interesting attempt to make up for past failings but what I really want is to just see the stories in their original form. No animation can truly compare to the excitement felt when, against all odds, a Doctor Who story thought missing suddenly turned up in the wild. The War Machines, The Web of Fear, Enemy of the World.. All great stuff that at one point were thought gone forever only to suddenly re-appear.
The most likely reason David Tennant didn't get a bigger role in the Quatermass Experiment was because he was still somewhat of an unknown. Russel T. Davies's Casanova had yet to be broadcast, and he was only secretly offered the role by Davies as the next Doctor DURING the production of The Quatermass Experiment. However, the cast and crew suspected that he was chosen to succeed Eccleston, and because of that, they changed the line, "Good to have you back, Gordon," to "Good to have you back, Doctor," as a nod to their suspicions.
That makes sense but you'd think the BBC could still tell that Tennant or Gatiss were amazing actors. I guess I just don't appreciate Flemyng as an actor.
I remember seeing Quatermass and the Pit on tv as a kid, and the terrifying images of the martian in the sky are forever burned into my memory.
Wonderful as usual...though the Martian influence in my head tells me that everyone pronounces Quatermass with the long A sound "CWAY-Ter-Mass." But then, they were Martians and they were losers! By the way, I've seen the original BBC version of "Pit" and it's really very similar to the film, though obviously scaled down a bit. (No spoilers, but Professor Roney throws an anchor at a crucial point.)
I am perfectly willing to accept that I pronounce Quatermass wrongly. But if he really wanted me to pronounce it right, he shoudl have spelled it Quaytermass.
@@SandyofCthulhu I wonder if Kneale deliberately chose that name to be confusing. But the BBC up and made the shows anyway. In the US, the networks would be "Couldn't you name him Thompson, or Williams?"
@@beckoning-chasmI know this is a fairly old comment but Nigel Kneale chose the name by looking in a phone book, going straight to the letter Q - as it is rare to find names beginning with Q - and chose Quatermass because the thought it sounded suitably unusual. Kneale attested to such in interviews and it's stated in the viewing notes that come with the DVD for the original BBC serials.
What would Lovecraft think about the Dead Space games? Or what do you think about them for that matter
i have not yet tried them.
@@SandyofCthulhu I played them recently for the first time. You will thoroughly enjoy them, I'm very confident of that. Give them a try
My opinion is that he would have found dead space to be a little too on the nose. A theme throughout lovecraft's work and that includes his nonfiction, was the idea that we are Beyond arrogant to assume that we can describe what we know about the world around us to the entire universe.
So I think he would have a problem with just the very basic concept, the idea that we could colonize multiple planets, have Interstellar travel, create spaceships. He believed that it was possible that reality only works the way it does in our tiny little corner and that reality becomes something very different as you stray further from Earth.
Assuming he could get past that particular moment, he would find it a little too clearly defined and I'm hesitant to go further because I don't know if Sandy ever plans to play the games or look into them.
So at this point the most I could say is I think he might find the consistency in creature design to also be an issue
You know I bet Dr. Quatermass might not have had such a hard time dealing with all those aliens if the has some help from the Zoogs...
Big fan of the Quatermass BBC shows and the films. Check out Professor Simon's videos about Quatremas and Nigel Neil's subliminal motives for the shows.
As a huge fan of hammer horror , i want to thank you for the recommendation
Thanks. Ordered some of them.
Quartermass is a lightweight.
Professor Quatermass may indeed be uninspiring at times (though this still fits his personality) but the Quatermass shows are really good. Plus it saved Hammer films, giving us 2 more decades of them.
@@SandyofCthulhu sorry if my joke was too subtle, but the misspelling intentional: quarter mass = light weight
The four episodes weren't "lost" they were never actually recorded. The recordings of the first two episodes came out so poorly (including an actual insect on the screen) that they decided to not bother even trying to record the others. Even what remains of the first series is still enough to make you realise just how groundbreaking this was. Such a shame the whole thing wasn't preserved.
Have you ever considered doing a vid about other dudes who wrote Cthulhu mythos stories, i'd like to hear what you think of Brian Lumley since you included Cthonians in Call of Cthulhu rpg.
I could do that.
didnt the Twilight zone released the "And When the Sky Was Opened" episode before the quartermass experiment? does that count as horror?
The Quatermass Xperiment was aired many years before the Twilight Zone was more than a twinkle in Rod Serling's eye.
Quatermass and the pit, the old Black & White TV serial is amazing. The interney archive has both the incomplete early and complete later 1958 versions of it.
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It lacks the martian hologram but it is still amazing
Enjoying all your videos Sandy.
Some part of me really wants to hear Sandy pronounce Quatermass the way we say it in the UK. I take it that in the US, Quatermass and Quartermass sound the same when spoken? I was just looking and Quartermass does appear to be used as a name although I couldn't find any other use of it.
I have no excuse.
@@SandyofCthulhu Thanks for reply Sandy. I knew of the series but your post got me digging and I ended up watching various episodes and films again. It's been years since I last saw them. All the best to you and yours.
omg Quatermass! dr who for a less juvenile audience .. gold dust is what it is :)
What if there is no space?
13:00 ive liked you since age of empires 3
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Pronounced ‘Kway-ta-mass’
Quater. Not quarter.
Your must be well aware by now of your start-gate faux pas....so I won't mention it. Not even for a quarter of a second.
Had to stop watching this, the mispronunciation of Quatermass (and other names 😒) was just too distracting. Thumbs down.
It's pronounced K-way-ter-mass. It's in every single episode and movie so why mispronounce it? Or are you just reading a script written by someone else and didn't watch the movies? Don't mean to sound rude but that's how it comes across with such an obvious mistake.
Sorry dude, if you can’t pronounce quatermass correctly, I’m out…