Ian Collins CLASHES With Barrister Chris Daw Over Whether Lucy Letby Should Have Attended Sentencing
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- Lucy Letby will spend the rest of her life in jail for her “cruel, calculated and cynical campaign” of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital where she worked.
The most prolific child serial killer in modern British history was told by judge Mr Justice Goss there was a “malevolence bordering on sadism in your actions” for which “you have no remorse”.
The 33-year-old was convicted by a jury of murdering seven babies and trying to kill six more while working in the Countess of Chester Hospital’s neonatal unit between 2015 and 2016.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has branded Letby as "cowardly" for refusing to appear in court for her sentencing, saying the Government is looking at changing the law so criminals are forced to attend their sentencing hearings.
Barrister and lawyer Chris Daw KC tells Ian Collins that it would cause an "absolute fiasco" if defendants are physically forced into court.
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Well said Chris Daw. To to other gentleman kindly be quiet.
Why is this guy so soft? Of course she should be physically manhandled in there, she took the lives of babies for the thrill of it.
Politicians and the media all bandwagon jumping. Give it up , it’s nauseating.
I agree, absolutely.
Oh heaven forbid that you should force a mass child killer to do something they do not want to!!! If you want to know why justice is rare, look no further.
She should be forced to
How ????
@@garyh1572gagged and shackled, if they fight allow corporal punishment such as water boarding and whipping
If you are almost certainly facing a whole life tarif there is literally nothing the state can do to threaten you. Nor is there any incentive for someone to sit there and look morose and sad, when instead they could smirk and smugly grin at the victims families or loudly snore as someone reads an impact statement.
You could send her off to an experimental lab and save some poor animals instead.
or the alternative could be the sentence being read over and over again in front of her cell or during community time in prison if she doesn't attend. It is important for the victims to see that she gets her punishment PHYSICALLY.
Should be punished further for not attending court . I do think it’s a insult to the families involved 😢.
Ever seen American cons smile and laugh at victims families once their sentence to life without parole or death? Now thats an insult.
How can you punish her any more than spending the rest of her life in prison
She’s already being punished and just because she was found guilty by 10 jurors on less than half of the charges doesn’t actually mean she did it, ref Andrew Malkinson.
@@BobK5 But present every single time the deaths happened unexpectedly and her confession on post it notes found at her home that is the real she was found guilty.
@@michellemcgarr1709 she was present because she worked more shifts and hours than her colleagues with families due to staff shortages. She wrote the note after being confronted by a Dr who accused her of killing babies in her care. She went home in pieces, distraught at having been labelled a baby murderer, wrote the note saying that she must be evil for allowing those babies to die in her care and what a horrible nurse she must be for them to have died. Of course, that’s only one interpretation, a more reasonable one in view of her having been accused of murdering babies.
Unfortunately for Letby interpretation of anything she did or said was presented in a negative way. ‘Trust me I’m a nurse’ was presented as carrying malice although there was no evidence to support that.
Baby deaths stopped after she had been arrested, presented in a negative way against her whereas the reason baby deaths reduced was down to tighter medical operating standards such as longer gestation, but let’s keep pointing at Letby.
Was she also responsible, possibly on her days off, for all the babies that died in similar circumstances at Staffordshire hospital? Those deaths were put down to staff shortages, coincidently there were staff shortages on Letbys ward but it’s best not to mention anything that points away from her guilt.
When babies pile high you go to the police, not your wage supplier. The doctors are almost as guilty as her.
And who or what killed the other 10 babies whose deaths couldn't be pinned on Lucy? The babies Lucy was supposed to have murdered had post mortems and were found to have died from natural causes.
Ian Collins just got owned
The opposite is true. The barrister was appalling.
She has to face the music she should be humiliated in front of the family whos shes done such pain etc...
We wouldn't want to make Miss Letby feel bad, now would we.
that silly guest is trying to be civilise with someone who obviously ain't civilise in any aspect.
She could have had a wee day out in the van looking thru the wee window seeing the free world and chose not too. She knew what was coming and her sentence had already started before today.
@@drewpeacock69 aww i didnt know she got that far
She was in a holding cell in the court building
@@drewpeacock69 It'll be a long time coming! Someone will eventually get to her 💯
America do it and yes she should’ve been there, and WHAT? She’s quiet apparently, so she wouldn’tve kicked off. Those poor families needed to see her see her fate
its worth debate but traditionally things such as turning up, how you present yourself, whether you represent yourself or not would all have a bearing on the judges final decision. The sentencing itself is far from the punishment, the rest of her life in prison will do that.
Are you talking about her choice? What about the babies? Please keep quiet.
So how do you stop her inflicting more pain by showing indifference to their suffering? Fake sleeping, yawning, looking anywhere but at the family? Does it help them to heal knowing that Letby couldn't care less about their suffering or even worse, enjoys it?
This barrister’is a NOB
Why, because he has a different opinion to yourself?
Absolutely...a complete PILLOCK..Softy hurty words might upset her..PATHETIC MAN...
It's another argument that you shouldn't be showing so many photos of her having a great time also. No, emotion shouldn't come into it - it's law, it's not mandatory to show up. You can't change these things just because some laws broken feel more to some people or more heinous than others.
Well it should be changed ya mook😒
Laws shouldn't care about your feelings. It does too much as it is commie.
"pivotal moment of our justice system" To see an INNOCENT woman attend her sentencing of spending the rest of her life in jail for 'crimes' she did NOT commit! These are 'crimes' that did NOT even exist!
I had to switch off because this Chris guy was making me too angry. He’s a psychopath and sounds like he’s sympathetic to her.
On the contrary, his response was measured, considered and rational. Lucy Letby is now in jail for life, what is this insistence on ritual humiliation? And why do you call HIM a psychopath, that really is losing all sense of reality.
I have every sympathy for those who have lost their children; the experience must have been horrific beyond words, and, of course for her own parents who did their best to bring her up to be a responsible citizen - their lives too are destroyed. But the impulse towards wanting to wreak personal vengeance on her by forcing her to be present at sentencing smacks of the 'baying for blood' mentality seen in previous centuries. This does not paint a particularly flattering picture of present-day society, especially, as Chris points out, forcing her to be present at sentencing may not be accomplished without applying physical restraints. And again, as he points out, this in turn may well bring up questions pertinent to human rights legislation. A damning verdict has been delivered - let us leave it at that.
As with most of his ilk, he resides on a different planet from the vast majority. I thought justice had to be seen to be served. Does he not understand that? The victims of crime have to sit through weeks, sometimes months of hearing about the perpetrator and their excuses, mental frailties plus appalling tactics from defence lawyers. I don't believe it is beyond understanding why those victims want to see the criminal who has devastated their lives in court to receive their punishment. This barrister is infuriating and wrong. He has more pity for her than the victims 🤢 l wonder how 'calm' he would be if his child/mother/sister were murdered.
@paulroberts7544 oh l see, so she's not even guilty. Goodbye 👋 .
@paulroberts7544 You’re a delusional mook😒
I agree with the barrister, dragging her in front of the judge so others can sneer and point fingers is medieval, she may not have done it in any case, what have we learned from Andrew Malkinson. Being convicted does not make it a fact.
Medieval?? What, sitting in a court room is equal to being hung,drawn and quartered? Unbelievable logic.😏
@@Victoria-wz9ub yes medieval, being forcibly dragged and gagged into the courtroom so that baying audiences could sneer and point fingers, throw rotten and get their tuppence worth of entertainment just like in ye goode olde deys
@@BobK5well, l suppose if you believe she is innocent, there's no point in talking about baying audiences and gags. Goodbye 👋.
@@Victoria-wz9ub I didn’t say I believed she was innocent Victoria, I don’t know for sure if she did it or not and neither does anyone else.
@@BobK5 isn't that what juries are for? That's the only system we have. Do you suggest we don't have a process and let everyone walk away from criminality .. just in case they are innocent 😬
Imagine if she’d have shown up and started laughing or smirking, which often happens, what would this thread then want, a return to public executions and the Tyburn tree?
She should have turned up regardless. I don't imagine she would act hysterically etc. Apparently, she is 'normal' the majority of the time. Equating being made to attend your own sentence to the return of Tyburn is
absurd.
@@Victoria-wz9ub I was using a metaphor, in that there’s been an awful lot of folk calling for capital punishment…etc etc
@@gooderspitman8052 capital punishment will never be reinstated. But punishment should be seen to be served . The victims deserve nothing less. This barrister is infuriating.
@@Victoria-wz9ub in your opinion, of which you are entitled to air.
@@gooderspitman8052 ditto.
If she is innocent as she says why would she want to be there?
The judge is giving the verdict to Miss Lucy Letby he is talking to her, so she needs to be there.
Why?
best to keep this evil devil locked in its cell and never unlock the door ever again
I agree with the barrister here. However if there had been victim statements that needed to be heard then she should be present! But on the issue of justice the barrister is correct!
HAHAHA did this barrister seriously try to attach a victim card to a criminal like Lucy Letby if she was "forced to attend" the sentencing? 😄😄😄😄
Even if we went one step further and gagged and choked her into the courtroom, the real victims will always be the families who either lost babies (or near miss) or who now have severely disabled babies as a result of her heinous acts. The families deserve to be able to look their babies killer in the eye and tell her face on the damage she has caused, if she laughs then that's effectively a solid confession. I'm sure the families would always be cautioned about what could possibility happen.
Letby is not Civilised! Its more for closure of the victims. Why should she be spared the humiliation??..
Whynon earth should people feel for her. That barrister is just as woke as you get. I would never use him
I heard a comment today saying how would it actually work if she didn't want to attend? The same way the Police drag you off if you're arrested.
Unless you are going to drug them against there well and man handle them get over yourself it doesnt matter
That will happen soon enough, never fear.
@@NigelThompson-hb5jgwhat would be the point if they were so addled that they don't even remember being there?
What doctor would administer unnecessary drugs just so the family can stare at a zonked out killer who still won't care about the pain she's inflicted?
Does that sound like justice to you?
This is not " a sentence being passed on her" she has to face her sentence for crimes that she had done herself,.we do not care about her feelings she did not while she was killing. If she does not not want to b dragged then she has to face her actions.
For me it would be a be careful what you wish for thing. Would it be better for that family if they saw the person who killed their child smirking, laughing or making comments in court? Showing no remorse or even pleased with what they've done. Would that help the families healing?
I kind of agree.... Person has a life sentence, what more you want.
Bet you this guest wouldn't have this viewpoint if letby had murdered his infant child.
Death 💀💀💀 sentence.
That’s the easy way out . Let her suffer in gaol and live with her atrocities
@@joycejnnour prisons are comfortable 2/3* hotels. She'll have 3 hot meals a day, a warm bed, television, radio, reading material and medical access
The majesty of a justice system that keeps locking up innocent people.... 😂
I know. This woman is so innocent. I have a feeling though, that Letby will be found innocent int the near future.
Makes no difference the sentence is still the same. It's vindictiveness which while perfectly understandable especially in this case is not something that should be encouraged. I expect to get a lot of abuse for this but I essentially agree with the barrister.
this guy should get a job with sunak
Absolutely...he's fekkin demented...
She is a sociopath who got a thrill out of watching the parents suffer with pain over the death of their babies. The only reason she could not face them, in the end, is because she cannot kill any more babies and has no remorse. Just wanted to make them suffer even more, have one last thrill of power and control and say Up yours to the families. I understand how punishment works. Going to prison IS the punishment. Not compelling for those victims who may need restorative justice in order to heal.
Both make a valid point I’d have a loud speaker going directly into their cell so the can hear everything that being said
He has no valid point whatsoever, seeing the criminal sentenced and taken down will help with the healing process
The good outcome is we know, Letby, is guilty because she's too ashamed to show her face for sentencing. However, on the doctor's side knowing they had the evidence to go to the police while just waiting behind managers is truly despicable. These Doctors are not children nor teenagers. They are fully grown adults with their own adult minds. You can go to the police anonymously and report anything that suspiciously looks like a crime or more crimes are going to be committed. If they were worried about their medical licenses being taken away from them then, surely once they had caught, Letby, they would have had their medical licenses given back and been compensated with the loss of earnings. I just think some of this was being conjured up more for their own benefit rather than even more innocent babies to go on and be murdered or who are now critically damaged for the rest of their lives.
She should have all privileges, TV, visits, canteen, books etc stopped. Any bad behaviour or absence, should result in this loss, for future cases.
Andrew Malkinson
She should be forced to face the words of the victims family!
What sort of society is it that allows someone found guilty of such heinous crimes, being allowed to make the decision not to attend. What about the parents being allowed to look her in the eye and make her listen to what she’s done to them. We’re the most civilised country in the world, but criminals are now increasingly making the decision not to attend sentencing. This has to be stopped.
And if she laughed and smirked while they were talking? Would that help the family heal?
you should get extra punishment if you don't attend ...
Extra punishment on top of 14 whole life sentences?
Why is the married doctor involved in a relationship with Lucy Letby allowed anonymity? Strange.
Prison she will not have it easy in there her life is finished I feel for her mum and dad what she putting them through your own daughter or son becoming a murderer how do you get your head around that. All those mums and dads that lost their babies how do you live with that I hope all of them get help counseling.
Lucy's innocent as was never proved guilty
There is no justice tbh because the children are dead. Nothing can help parents facing this. Nothing will help parents cope. The damage for everyone is absolute. Including Letby's parents, they just are not going to survive this. Lucy isn't going to survive this. She's so young and will end her life in jail.
Ian Collins is a muck raker - it's not about throwing rotten tomatoes at someone in the Dock which is retribution not justice
What would happen if she hadn't done the most horrendous of deeds but was covering for someone she knew had done it?
In other countries the prisoner has to go to court and face their sentence and family of the victim. Why should the UK be different? The prisoners usually are quiet. They accept it because it's part of the process. Lucy Letby will not care though about the victims. She will never care about the families. What she will care about is spending her life in jail. She will care that she has no freedom or choices. She will never have her own home, or get to choose to spend a day in her home or go on a picnic. She will never go on holiday, dancing or shopping with friends. She will never get dressed up to go out and be excited about the possibilities of her future. She'll never get married, be in love, have a baby. She will spend her life having no control or choices. That for a person who wanted control, wanted someone to love her and wanted people to think she is a great person, is going to be the worst punishment for her. She is not capable of feeling for the people she hurt, but she will care very much how long, horrible, lonely and boring the rest of her life will be.
USA does it
The USA is messed up. They've got tones of criminals. You really think we should be following their example.
The justice IS FOR THE FAMILIES WHO LOST A BABY. ANOTHER DO GOODER.
As a separate issue, why shouldn’t the family have the pleasure of watching her world fall apart. They’ve had far more stripped from them than she has had from her. She’s lost her life, one life. She took a minimum of 7!!!
Where does that end exactly, would you like the family to be able to throw rocks?
@@testudohorsfieldii7052 what’s rocks gotta do with it? How about their right to see justice being served not for the perpetrator cowering away in their cell or sticking their fingers up to the system by refusing to attend? Where does it end? It ends when the sentence is handed down from judge to criminal. Very simple
@@testudohorsfieldii7052yes indeed. Bring it on!
@@johnoakleymusicwell said. There are people here who leap from the idea of an individual turning up to their sentencing to the most wild form of punishment, ie stoning. So stupid.
@@Victoria-wz9ub there is only of us here that is stupid Victoria and it isnt me, maybe think how upsetting for the family dragging in an abusive and disruptive offender into a courtroom would be?
Put them in a cage and wheel them into court. It should be part of the punishment and also a deterrent.
All the photos of her partying is inappropriate.
It sounds like she has severe mental health problems, you can't expect her to be able to behave like someone who is sane would.
"severe mental health problems". Well, she´s a criminal psychopath. That´s how they are. I followed the case closely, and I didn´t see any surprising elements in her behaviour. There is no mystery about her character or mindset. Her refusal to show up in court also fits into that pattern. Because psychos and narcissists like to dominate and control every situation. Letby is a real classic, kind of a specimen for criminal psychopaths. Her case suits perfectly for teaching students of forensik and psychopathology.
If that was the case she would be held in a mental facility like broadmoor , and play the mental card.
@@jillhornby5604 what are u on about, she's just apparently killed seven babies which is not a sane act. The police and hospital don't know how to assess and mental people are in prisons and criminals are on mental health units. She clearly isn't sane, no sane person would kill seven babies, so you can't expect her to turn up to court and take accountibility, she's not even confessed. Also, I think the hospital is responsible after the first murder.
@@thomaslehmann9033 why was she working at the hospital? Why, after the first murder did it continue. I'm sorry. But this story doesn't add up at all. The narrative does not fit.
Mr Collins is a acting more than a bit dubiously. Is the point that the defendant should be filmed during sentencing, or merely present? Is the public interest served by media making money?
I'm thinking a miscarriage of justice
The barrister has right. People are jumping on the bandwagon.
This Barrister is literally more concern for her reputation 03:55 than all the killed babies and their parents. Is this a joke or what?? Would this same Barrister repeat the same statement if the convict is an immigrant??
Or maybe he is more concerned for the concept of British justice beyond this case
to be honest it’s for everyone’s sake best not to be anywhere near this Evil Devil
I don't know what the big deal is about here appearing for sentencing. She was found guilty, she has got a life sentence, she can never get parole, she will get a hard time in prison, she will be assaulted, attacked, intimidated and whatever else comes along, and rightly so. But turning up for sentencing before a judge is just an ego trip, pat on the back by the prosecution who have done their job right for a change. Get her away, then get on with the next case. No wonder things take so long.
Shouldn’t the family at least get the chance to look down the person that did it?
@@DankyKang96they might just regret that opportunity
@@tryingmybest9819 I highly doubt it, I but it would surely make her regret doing it when she is haunted by the families faces for the rest of her days
@@DankyKang96 that's assuming she is capable of empathy. I submit that a person willing to murder defenceless little babies are not going to care about the emotions of parents
@@tryingmybest9819 I mean, I can’t even argue with ya there man… what a mess
They will have to fillLucy full of chemicals so the victims won't have to see the pleasure she gets out of their pain as they say how much pain they have. Don't people understand t she is a Sadistic Monster who gets pleasure out of the grief and drama of the killings she did on these families children? Don't have her near the families as she may smile or even laugh a d show pleasure in this situation.Haven't they had enough of her smiles?
Exactly. Psychopaths aren't affected by hearing victim impact statements. They might laugh in their victims faces like Joanna Dennehy. Will that do the victims any good ?
Is this a d0ting campaign?! Are you not affected by the murders?
LUCY IS INNOCENT- FREE LUCY LETBY
Well said chris
I've already made a similar comment on this video, but further watching this I can't believe that after the severity of her heinous acts this barrister ACTUALLY thinks a tiny bit of humiliation comes above the severity of her crimes. The families never got a choice on the heartache and pain they've had to suffer all these years, don't try and tell me she should have the choice to suffer a tiny bit of HUMILIATION.
She knew the verdict, yes. Does it make a difference? IMO, yes, it does, becasue if she plans to appeal, she certainly needs to behave while the judge is reading her sentence. If behave like an animal she certainly loose her chance.
I dont think it would have changed the judge's opinion on her, as he stated her crimes were so extreme he'd have to give her multiple life sentences- his hands were reslly tired. Yet maybe her solicitor could have had a word, such as do the right thing. Instead the lawyer oribsbly said dont worry, we will appeal. Law is a money making scheme. Sad but true. If we had hanging we vould have insisted, come into the court or face hanging in the morning, if you come we will delay hanging for a year. Alas we don't have hanging, which i believe should be brought in for these kind of offenders.
In season 2 of Black Mirror there was a brilliant episode called _White Bear_ where the convicted were made to be part of a reality show.
What gives this TV reporter the right to claim hen is speaking for then publi. I an speAK FOR MYSELF HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME
shouldn't have given her a whole life sentence as she now knows where she stands , like chapman whom killed Lennon ,he's been up for parole so many times he's almost given up on life outside , if she had been given 40 years , then went for parole = refused time and time again , that would hurt more than a full life tariff
Justice isn't about petty revenge and I'm sure people would react if one of those parole hearings were successful
It’s a central principle in our democracy and justice system , for justice “ To be heard and seen to be done “ . How can she avoid being present at sentencing . It’s nothing to do with voyeurism and I’m stunned that a Barrister cannot understand the basic principle of seeing justice done. Don’t the parents of the murdered babies have a right to seeing the perpetrator facing justice ? It’s another basic principle that suso3cts face their accusers . She was found guilty , is he suggesting she not go to prison now because she might not want to go ? She has forfeited all her usual rights in a democracy it has absolutely nothing , zero , to do with pointing at a guilty person . This is a fundamental principle .
If someone has disappeared and tried in their absence this is because there is no other recourse . This man’s concept of our justice system is ludicrous . A guilty person is made to go to prison and forcing them to the court is no different .
It makes every difference to the victims to see the person found guilty and sentenced , they can get some small closure by seeing justice done , I cannot believe this man is actually a Barrister when he so clearly fails to understand basic principles and the compassion of a victim seeing the process take place. Outrageous to suggest wanting to see justice is akin to being “ unseemly and baying for blood” . , let him explain that to the families because the court is not a wide open public arena , it is a small place full of mostly officials . Anyway, having ones child coldly murdered by someone supposed to be caring for them and also mocking j
The parents by the way she took imprints of the child’s feet she killed to give them , I don’t think baying for her blood is an abnormal act. The problem it seems is that Barristers and professionals such as this one forget that they are there to serve the family and society , not their own peculiar thoughts and assumptions about us lesser people . People,with some small authority can be so arrogant sometimes and we’ve seen the same attitudes in the medical administrators who refused to act in the babies and parents interests but instead covered up the suspicion to save the reputation and sensibilities of those running the hospital .
So how do you stop her disrupting the procedure? Even if you tied her up and gagged her (terrible idea) they could fake sleep, roll eyes look anywhere else than at the victims family. Whatever medieval method you could think of can be made a mockery of.
Would it help the family to heal knowing that Letby most likely enjoys the pain she has caused them?
I agree with Chris
I agree with Ian's position. The guilty should be in the dock - what's the difficulty in the UK with that? It's not torture - it's completion of the trial.
Travesty of lucy letby verdicts ,is a interesting read,seems like theres more than one monster
I agree with the barrister
The big fallacy of Chris Daw: He does not understand, that the convict will adapt to the situation. Which means: If she knows from the beginning, that she has to show up to the court - no matter how, and if necessary with physical violence - then she will NOT start shouting or fighting. Because it makes no sense! You only start fighting, if you achieve any kind of advantage from that. No criminal wants to be seen in public tied up and gagged. Which is even more true for sociopaths and psychopaths, who always want to control the situation!
Ok so you want the inhumane gagging. How do you stop the eye rolling, laughing and fake sleeping while the family are talking
You still didn´t get it. Think about my argument! Only 1 or 2 convicts out of 1.000 would act like that. The others would not. Why should they? Makes no sense for them, to get humiliated or ridicule themselves in such a childish way as you described. Even more in front of a lot of people, including family members, gang members or friends. The few guys that may bite or spit? Fine, get them a mask! Just the same procedure as in jail, so no big deal.
And don´t underestimate the importance of rituals in our lives. As human beings, we have a need for that. We like to close serious cases or long lasting processes with a ceremony. That´s why people meet at a funeral. That´s why businessman party a big contract with a glass of champagne. And that´s why the parents of the babies deserve a proper ending of this extremly painful court hearings. @@tryingmybest9819
@@thomaslehmann9033 I think you are the one who doesn't get it.
You think shame will keep a woman who murdered babies for kicks in line?
It´s not the shame, that would keep her quiet. Psychopaths don´t feel any kind of shame, guilt, or remorse. In that perspective they are like machines. The whole world is only about ´me me me´ for them. Nothing else matters!
No, Lucy Letby would stay quiet because of vanity! Her sense for dignity (as she understands it) would hold her in check. And there´s a second reason: Psychopaths always calculate! Acting provocative in front of the families would be understood as an admission of guilt. By doing so, she would lose the few supporters, she still has. Including her parents maybe. No visits no more. No letters to prison anymore. No flattering "Lucy, I love you so much" or "Lucy, I´m standing on your side", while she´s rejoicing to have successfully led astray these simpletons.@@tryingmybest9819
@@thomaslehmann9033 what are your qualifications in this field to say all people of a particular type would act this way?
She will still have proposals for marriage and people write to her in prison. She's now a famous murderer. Her crimes will be remembered long after her death. That attracts a certain type of person to get in on that infamy
To be honest it looks bad whenever someone doesn't face their victims anyway. You never know if the rules whole life tariff laws change one day (I hope it stays whole life). So in some possible future she may get chance of parole (again hope not). Her not facing her victims goes against her.
Nah. She's dying in jail and since she's in her early 30s, that's likely a long time from now. What Home Secretary is going to want to let a baby killer out of jail?
Champagne sipping Guardian reader
Ad hom much?
Boss tee shirt man is wrong
Humiliation! She should have been forced to face her victims families.
The life sentence for anyone is punishment enough. To never be free is horrific
I’m shocked how ignorant that barrister is. The sentence should be passed direct from judge to offender regardless of why or who it benefits or doesn’t. The sentence should be handed directly from the person giving the lawful sentence to the person found guilty not via any third party word of mouth. The rights of the perpetrator should be wiped for that process only as at that moment their rights are irrelevant just as their right to freedom is at that moment. The family would potentially find more closure and the person found guilty wouldn’t essentially hold even more power over the family’s right to justice than they get to effectively do one final time. They shouldn’t have the right to choose to ignore the court. Sentencing should always be in person if the person is in custody, zero exclusions
So if the offender is there shouting and swearing at the family throughout the judges remarks, which can take up to an hour, they should just let the offender have that power over the family?
@@testudohorsfieldii7052 very simple. Noise proof clear windowed booth for them to be in to accept their sentence whether they like it or not
@@testudohorsfieldii7052 plus if the offender is that raucous it’s because they’re upset which is even better for he families enjoying a mild amount of frustration compared to the families lifelong sentences of pure pain and hurt. Plus there’s lot of those families. Bet if you did a referendum on this people would agree they should be forced to hear their sentence directly
@@johnoakleymusicwhy on earth would we spend tens of millions of pounds on a referendum on this issue? The trouble is that you guys get whipped up by the right wing media too easily without actually thinking through any of the consequences or practicalities, no family would gain any solace watching the killer of their child shout abuse at them or make threats, why on earth would you think they would? This woman has been given a whole life sentence, she will never be released, justice has been served, we don't need a circus or the person in stocks whatever the daily mail tells you.
@@johnoakleymusicmiddle finger doesn't need noise. If you also prescribe to the medieval bound and gagged thing there is also fake sleeping, laughing/fake laughing or looking anywhere but at the judge/families. Whatever method you can think of, there will be a way to disrupt it
He did say throw stones at her i think that is a brilliant punishment for this psyco cow to be honest i think we should apply shariah law on her ..
In America people are shackled . The awful Chris Watts who killed all his family was made to face the music. Yes they should be in the dock to give closure to the victims.
This guys a mook😒