Having to apologise to a serial killer because you hurt their feelings is actually really sickening- I can't believe they made well respected doctors do this.
Sounds exactly like what this whole.society hs become. Don't look at evidence, don't be logical, and don't hurt the feelings of those social media deems worthy
That hospital needs to be sued for a couple million £. Blood is on their hands and they need to compensate these babies' families and this doctor for the egregious negligence and distress they caused. Won't bring the babies back but will send a message.
Hypocrisy of modern UK. Recently woman who murdered baby deliberately in 3rd trimester ny taking abortion pills get out of jail. Feminazis trying to portray her as a victim. Abortion without questions asked legal till 6 months. Abortion in case of possibility of Down syndrome legal till birth.
@@captainross4706 Worse than dismissed, they actively bullied the doctors who were trying to raise concerns into silence with threats of destroying their career. All to hold up the pathetic 'image' of their hospital trust.
When Dr. Ravi said with tears in his eyes, "If the actions had been taken earlier, some of the babies would be going to school now" is so heart breaking. Love to the grieving families and huge respect to the doctor. We need more like him.
Many would be going too school but we need to find the ones going to school😅 That are the bullshit attitudes and vwey plain and We do but we need to have Jo's ba l 9:12 9:12 9:12 9:12 9:12 9:12 9:12 9:12 The very start
@@WaryofExtremes-realoriginalthis is not proven and is not economical. What’s more sensible is having a system where whistleblowing is encouraged! Management should also be made accountable
Lots of people in power never do what is right... until AFTER they are personally impacted. The top management did not make a change until AFTER they believed their jobs were at risk.
they admin looked the other way because they were incentivized to do so. if they believed the doctors and called the police, and she was or wasn't, nobody would want to go to the hospital anymore. I wouldn't want to go there for an aspirin! so they closed their eyes and hoped it woudl go away, so they could keep their fat paychecks and cushy jobs. they should face some culpability, even if it is just getting personally sued by some of the latter parents for not stopping her sooner. the hospital admin made a choice. a conscious choice. and if you don't want it to keep happening, then you heed to assign consequences. 🤷♂
I was a nurse and trust me, it's one of the most toxic environments I have had the misfortune in working in, most of which was caused by the ward manager.
They're involved in something with her. That's why they tried to protect her. In any hospital in the world if more than 2 babies die the nurses on shift will be invistigated. How many babies she had to kill before they suspect her?!
@kitchenworker-they turned a blind eye to what was going on AND totally undermined and undervalued the expertise of the DRs who were raising the concerns.
Sounded like all they had to do initially is correlate her on shift schedule with the victims, which the police later did, to at least draw more conclusions/help shine light on her. @@topgtopg2658
Been a nurse for 14 years now and I’ve never seen such an evil act. Poor babies. My heart is crying with their parents. Absolutely disgusting that the Trust let her slip for years.
@@ED-xk5sbWhat has this to do with a monster deliberately killing premature babies you can agree or disagree but go onto an abortion rights site to say your piece
Seven doctors raised the alarm and they assumed so many babies dying was a coincidence? This is so sad. My heart goes out to all those families who lost their sons and daughters
not sad, evil. The nurse was evil, and the management wasn't incomeptent, they were evil as well. Good men and women stood up, fought against even, even swallowing their pride to save the lives of the most innocent I hope that the management go to prison as well for child endangerment and for hiding, and assisting in, criminal actions that took the lives of multiple babies
Yep, that's right, seven doctors discussing it, for how long? One even stated they had a killer on the ward, but not one of the seven went to the police in all that time while those babies were being killed, as they thought by Lucy Letby (not to mention the suffering and injury to those babies that survived). They let her get away with it, because something something management, jobs, concerns etc.
@@ITSREALLYNOTYOURFAULTif they went to the police they would have lost their job and their reputation would have been harmed and maybe they wouldn't have found another job
“There are babies that could be going to school now, but aren’t”? What’s this guy trying to do, convince us that Letby did them a favor? Sure sounds like it. Because school sucks!
Yes. There was proof. The first baby had air injected into him/her...discovered on autopsy. The second had INSULIN injected. Revealed at autopsy...these were not 'mystery' deaths..not caught...red flags went up IMMEDIATELY - AND THE FIRST TWO TIMES- ,Lucy was the common denominator, as she would be with the other attacks/murders. So this was caught early on. Known murders. And execs let it ride- and staff unfortunately did not independendently call in pokice- and neither did the coroner's. Why?
Her father threatened to take these Dr's to the Medical Council could have lost their jobs this man has yet to apologize to these Dr's or indeed the grieving parents like his coward of a daughter could not face them
You are easily fooled. He is acting. A wicked man who would sooner see an innocent nurse die in prison than own up to the fact he and other doctors in the unit were incompetent. Letby was exposing them and had already been harrassed. She was threatening to take things further - quite rightly. They all had an axe to grind. Together they successfully made her the scapegoat for the babies deaths. They should all stand trial.
The fact that 6 days before she was due to be back on the ward, the police became involved means that there was a desperate rush from the doctors, who were essentially putting their careers on the line, to stop her before another baby was murdered. It's a reminder that there are plenty of good people left in the NHS and in the world generally. Heroes
Should have suspended her on pay, to allow an investigation, think of how many may have been saved, well we will never know, hindsight, or just plain common sense.
Dr. Ravi should be honored for going above and beyond and saving countless babies lives. Can't believe the humiliation he must've felt when he was forced to apologize. The CEO threatening his job and career for doing the right thing is unacceptable!
She was a psychopath. They are wired like that. While nursing has a lot of Empaths who care about people, Unfortunately there are psychopaths in the nursing profession too coz it gives them access to hurt & abuse helpless people without consequences.
Dr Ravi helped saved my baby son's life when he was born prem, in an unrelated case. I can't believe people in charge could try and turn the blame on him he really is the best around, they should be ashamed.
He is acting. A wicked man who would sooner see an innocent nurse die in prison than own up to the fact he and other doctors in the unit were incompetent. No babies were murdered, they all died because of poor treatment in a sub-standard unit. Letby was exposing them and had already been harrassed for doing so. She was threatening to take things further - quite rightly - but they all had an axe to grind. Together they successfully made her the scapegoat for the babies deaths. They should all stand trial.
@@Andrea-ld9cy I do not know whether to take your comment seriously. At that moment in time, all you are thinking about is the baby health's deteriorating and doing something about it. There is a procedure and time and place for making comments and from the report Dr Ravi and his fellow doctors did just that but the management were ineffective. Thank God the police were on the case after about less than 15 minutes with the medical staff.
ALL THOSE HOSPITAL MANAGERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE DEATHS! HOW DARE THEY CLAIM ITS NOT THEIR FAULT THIS WOMAN KEPT KILLING. ASK THE PARENTS HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT! WE NEED TO START HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE
I'm an MD in Canada and it is the SAME here, the management has all the power and are accountable to no one. Narcissistic, immoral bureaucrats. I've faced bullying from them. What these doctors faced would 100% have happened in ANY hospital in the Western hemisphere. The killer b** is going to jail thank God, but them? never a shadow of a consequence. Parents of dead children, please sue these managers into oblivion. Oh and btw, nurses are unionized. Their unions are powerful, even against the management. Doctors have no recourse. You may be amazed to her this, but we are absolutely defenseless, as our College is only there to sanction us, never, under no circumstance, are they there to support us in any way.
Exactly... I felt bad of the babies who died.. but he has literally save countless babies from dying... Who new how many lifes she was about to tk in future... Her side of story also seems to be doubtfull .. since shes a psycho .. Maybe we'll see a netflix documentary on her soon
The hospital executives should have known that a person that kills often blends in and can charm and fool people, and can come across as top performers. These doctors were treated very unfairly. The executives should be sacked and they owe the doctors an apology. The executives chose to trust a 20 year old nurse rather than doctors that have over 20 years experience. Disgusting.
Not only sacked. The managers should be locked for life because they enabled her to do the crime. Managers were focused to cover up. They didn't care about babies. Let them rooth in prison. Bustars
These hospital managers NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE for their part in all of this !!!! This poor doctor was doing everything he could to tell them what was going on, and they flat out refused to do ANYTHING to help him 😕 He's a wonderful doctor and person, we need more like him ❤️
Our whole attitude to “whistleblowers” needs to change…..they speak out to protect the public. It is those who hold power,run the organisation,who don’t want their system upsetting.
That's shoddy management for you! If this case doesn't prove that giving managers too much power over professionals is a terribly idea, then what will?
I have to wonder why nobody in charge of oversight of the actions of UK-based medical professionals learned a thing from the failures of various hospitals across the contiguous US of 1-time doc Michael Swango. There were warning signs that Lucy Letby was, like Mr. Swango in the 1990s, up to no good as a medical professional.
“4 or 5 babies could be going to school now”… this broke me to tears…. She’s the worst serial killer I believe. I have no better words to describe her!
Dr Death killed more, not that it makes her crimes any less horrific. We will never know what those children would have gone on to do and achieve. Maybe one of them would have been a PM, or award-winning author, maybe they would just just had familes. we will never know.
Hospital bosses MUST be investigated by the police! Babies had AIR and INSULIN injected into them- the babies did not do it to themselves! Lucy was the single commin denominator in each of those tragedies. Hospital bosses THREATENED the doctors careers.. how dare they! Kudos to this consultant!
@@freespeech6999 it went further . It was the organised cover up of abuse of professionals by the professional gatekeepers- multiple murders and attempted murders of the most helpless and vulnerable- the attacks and murders continued. Police should have been called with the first air injections and insulin administrations. My heart breaks for the little one who collapsed multiple times- but fought to LIVE - two or three collapses in the space of a few hours before he lost the fight and died at the hands of this monster..I think she killed two of three triplets? How do the heartless hospital bosses look in the mirror? The parents? No words to console them. The ball can't stop here. Her bf, the married registrar who was on duty when she timed the attacks so she would come across glorious and committed to him. Haul his butt in.
@@michelejohnston4029put yourself in his shoes before you pass judgement. He went through the correct channels . If he went straight to police , he could have been sued by the trust and the nurse for defamation. The fact that he and his fellow consultants persisted when the management put them off is courageous and heroic . They saved countless lives by speaking up .
@@michelejohnston4029 I disagree with you. He told the management and he was told to keep quiet. He could have lost his job and his family would be affected. This could lead to so many challenges for him. Are you for real? Do you have the audacity to speak out if the management tell you not to speak out? Are you thinking?
Hypocrisy of modern UK. Recently woman who murdered baby deliberately in 3rd trimester ny taking abortion pills get out of jail. Feminazis trying to portray her as a victim. Abortion without questions asked legal till 6 months. Abortion in case of possibility of Down syndrome legal till birth.
What a courageous individual Dr Ravi is! Your courage to stand up to an unlawful power and to hold your ground firm is very commendable - a lot of respect to you!
So courageous yet he couldn't call 999 to report babies being murdered? Because he was scared of losing his job at worst? Seems quite the opposite of courage to me
Please explain it to me. He claimed she was murdering babies. He told her boss, and when they didn't act, he just.. went on with his life? Why didn't he call the police, even anonymously? @@TRoussele
Dr Ravi is so insanely strong. They really threw everything at him hoping to grind him down and give up hope, but the moment he got to speak to the police he had a clear head and only the thought of justice on his mind. Bravo.
He didn't do anything actually. He was a coward and did what he was told and should have just risked being fired by going to Police. I'm sure he could have set himself up in private practice if fired. Who would want to work for the NHS under those circumstances? I'd rather flip burgers at MacDonald's than help protect a baby murderer. Also he and his colleagues could have set up their own spy camera and caught her in the act and taken the footage to Police, without informing the hospital.
@@aname5267 There's no problem suspending her on normal pay until a proper investigation takes place. Fact is no other nurse or doctor was on the ward on the same shifts she was, and there was evidence several babies had been injected with artificial insulin, that doesn't happen accidentally.
As a nurse with 10 years critical care experience, you listen to the consultants because they know what they’re talking about, most of them are the most committed professionals you could ever meet.
Not all the consultants are like him! There are so many useless ones! And nurses in general those days are absolutely awful! Yuk! Hospital should be the safest place! Disgusting! The board members should be prosecuted who protected her too!
It made me tear up to see the raw grief on Dr. Ravi's face when he said that the truly believed that the babies could have been saved. He knew what he was talking about and the thought makes me cry.
You can see that Dr Ravi Jayaram is a deeply empathetic, intelligent, and proactive doctor - everything a doctor/healthcare worker should be. It's astonishing that the board seemed to have gone out of their way to take the side of a nurse when multiple highly experienced consultants had raised very serious concerns. I hope everyone involved can heal from this.
Did this wonderful, caring doctor ever GET AN APOLOGY to his face, as Lucy was deemed privileged enough to get? He deserved a thousand apologies to his face. And a bonus. I doubt he received either.
He probably won't. If anyone does apologise that is basically admitting they where responsible (which they are). And none of them seem to be willing to do so. Personally, I believe all the management should be held accountable. Either charge them (if they can), or at least fire them. Not a single one of them should be anywhere near Hospital management again in their lives.
Interestingly a year on we know this "person" was lying through his back teeth. What he stated during Lucy Letby's grievance procedure against him was that he had no reason to believe she had done anything wrong and he only wanted her to have time away from the ward because she had had some very traumatic experiences. In court he said that he had seen Lucy Letby virtually in the act of harming a baby and this was burned into his memory. Both statements cannot be true since both were made after the event he claimed to witness. People should also be aware that there were over 100 malpractice suits underway but they were discontinued once a "murderer" had been found.
Over 100?! Jeepers! I do think something was certainly etched into his memory but certainly not as he has described it and anything in his nightmares will be from a guilty conscience.
He would be a hero if had gone to the police direct and saved some lives. But he, and six others, sat on it while management shrugged it off. Not my idea of hero.
@@paddymeboyabsolutely the managers are as much to blame for the murders as they allowed her to continue to kill and threatened professional doctors not to talk out
Bless this man's soul. The pressure and guilt he was put through is disgusting. He knew in his heart that he was right, but was bullied into disbelieving himself. May you find peace, serenity, and forgiveness. Know that you are not responsible for the actions of others. You are loved and forgiven.
@@XuyesiYes this woman's father threatened them with the Medical Council what right had they to bow to him and not the Professional Dr's obviously treating this man on a par with his delusional daughter something off in her upbringing
This doctor needs to be awarded for his bravery ❤ I cannot imagine how difficult hi situation was. He did an INCREDIBLE service to the public despite the shocking lack of carers the medical board gave to these children and families. God bless you sir. Those babies will be smiling while looking down from heaven at you❤❤❤
Are you aware it was the trust that called the police in the end? Not this Doctor or any of the other six Doctors? They did not report it to a regulatory body (nmc) outside of the trust. They did not go to the media. If the trust (under new leadership) did not call the police it could still be happening. Confused as to how Dr Ravi is a hero? There were many other avenues the Doctors who were concerned could have taken to stop this. They chose not to. Those were vulnerable babies. All patients rely on *brave* whistleblowers.
@@AwwSnookems they definitely should be. They ignored the problem for well over a year before doing anything about it. Trying to strong arm several well respected doctors over a nurse is insanity. These doctors know what they are talking about and were silenced.
Yes. At least two babies died after they had ample evidence that Letby was a killer. They chose to ignore that evidence because she was a young and moderately pretty white nurse.
As a pediatrician myself I can feel the pain that Dr Ravi is going through.. thinking about the very sick, horrible system of administration in this hospital. Think these admins are morally and ethically responsible for the tragedy. Hope for fair trial
Right, yeah, that poor doctor going through all that when he could gone to the police and prevented some of the deaths. Instead he will have to live with the guilt of simply laying the responsibility at the feet of the management. Only kidding, i don't think he feels any guilt.
Same happened in the hospitals here with Genene Jones in the US. Hospital Administrators were warned over and over again that other staff were suspicious of her and infants deaths, but they refused to investigate because if they found out it was true, it would mean lawsuits and bad press for the hospital, so they quietly fired her. She then went to work for a pediatrician and continued killing children until she was finally caught
I remember that case. I live in Ireland but I believe she even got into an ambulance with a child she had already attempted to murder and ATTENDED to the child even when medics told her not too. Didn't she move around a bit to try and avoid detection? It shocking that hospital administration is so afraid of litigation they'd sooner let someone go on with all these suspicions.... 🤬 they are as guilty as sin....
@@marietighe6328 She got her excitement running the resuscitation efforts which is why she did it. She was at one hospital for some time until they kicked her out, then went to work for a private practice pediatrician until she left and was arrested while trying to get a job at OUR hospital !
@@frankdrevinpolicesquad2930. Yes that's what I was thinking when i heard about her and lots of people described her ENJOYING the attention. Its almost like Munchousen by proxy ( sorry i mispelled this) my god these people are so sick. I had limited information on this case. I still remember looking at a photo of her and feeling such a deep hatred for her. It's also traumatic for staff like you to believe that someone in your midst is a cold blooded killer. Its a healing profession and i can only imagine it must be hard to trust colleagues again. So sorry for this 😥❤️
It’s understandable to feel that way. However, the funds for compensation will likely compete with funding for more positive causes in the hospitals. I’d be delighted however if compensation would be paid from the pensions of the Senior positions that allowed this to continue.
@@MS-Patriot2agreed. Suing the hospital is just taking money out of the NHS that could be used for say training, to spot any potentially problematic staff or invest in the CCTV cameras Dr Jayaram suggested be placed in the NICU. Now, taking the money from the Big bosses by giving them a pay cut might be a better way to find funds to pay the lawsuit! Taking it from the doctors and nurses, be it directly or indirectly will only cause more problems, for us the patients, as well as the staff. Besides, no amount of money will make up for the loss of their babies.
@@BOZ_11cos they've got so much money to spare. Take it from the execs, they aren't spending nigh on a decade at school, like doctors do, so why do they need to be on quite so much money? It's greed. But the government/NHS are 1 and the same essentially, taking money from 1 hurts the other, and the NHS can't afford to lose any more money. It took 11 years to get my surgery, if I'd gone private from the beginning, before my diagnosis, it would have been over and done with within 3 months. Hence why I don't want any money taking from the nhs be it directly or indirectly
Doctor Jayram and his colleagues who raised the alarm are absolute heroes. On the other hand, it would be a horrendous travesty if Tony Chamber, Ian Harvey, Alison Kelly, and Karen Rees are not charged with gross negligence and corporate manslaughter. All their pension should be stripped as well. Their arrogance is just incredible.
I’m an old nurse now. I have 3 children and suffers from secondary infertility, or unable to conceive, after having children. I can’t imagine this under any circumstances. It’s beyond awful! The board owes this physician a huge apology. He is the hero!
I agree. I can't believe they tried to bring her back. I'm a mum with an almost 5 year old. I lost a baby earlier this year and currently 13 weeks pregnant. Due to out loss. I'm so scared this baby won't come.home even though I'm doing everything I can to keep this baby safe.
Dr. Ravi is a brown / black and not a British person: so, white Managers in NHS will never take seriously an accusation against a white British nurse. This is the reality . If Lucy was black / brown outsider nurse, NHS managers were taken the action immediately. This is the heritage white British people’s privilege in daily bases in Britain. But no one will have the guts to say this out . This is the reality. British people including all police must realise this type of privileges happening in Britain so easily. White or Black, they shouldn’t ignore the whistleblowers. 😡
Yes he sure is a hero and the so called "nurse" is a chilling psychopath. He has grounds to sue for such emotional and professional damage he endured. He probably has PTSD from what he has been through.
@@spencerosei2616 Nobody 'made' him apologise. He chose to apologise. He was given a choice, apologise and let babies be murdered and keep your job, or call the police, stop babies from being murdered and lose your job. He chose to let babies continue being murdered so he could keep his job.
My nephew was born 25 weeks 5 days old. The neonatal nurses, doctors saved him He is now 10. May God console the hearts of families whose childrens were supposed to be saved.
More and more real evidence is coming out about the state of that unit. Its looking more and more likely Lucy was a scapegoat for the hospital failings in my opinion. There's even been a recent leaked document showing a vital piece of equipment needed to monitor the babies was broken at that time...
He's not brave, he's too weak. He didn't do anything and just did as he was told by the hospital. If he had gotten fired, so what? You think he can't move on to set himself up in private practice?
@@bingonamo7520You cannot go to police without proof. She could sue him for damages and practically bankrupt him. He could lose his job. He could lose his chance to get another job. He reported to the authority. That being said he or someone else should have secretly alerted the police, that would have saved few of those babies😢
@@bingonamo7520 people like you are the reason why guys like him won't do the right thing. You'll pick apart their character even when they do the right thing.
UPDATE: About this supposed incident taken from the mail online on22.08.2024: The prosecution had argued that consultant Dr Ravi Jayaram had found Letby standing over Baby K's crib on February 17, 2016 at around 3.50am. He noticed that the baby's condition was rapidly deteriorating and that the vital breathing tube had been dislodged. According to the prosecution, door-swipe data proved that the nurse designated to care for the baby had left the unit at 3.47am. However, after the data was amended for the retrial, it showed the nurse had returned within moments. This meant that Letby was not alone at the time the prosecution originally argued she was.
Dr Jayaram is just so genuine. You can see pain is etched all over his face. May the parents of those defenceless little babies somehow find peace and my utter respect to the Dr.
This poor man! He must have felt a lot of uncertainty about his own ability as a doctor seeing these babies die. Thank you for putting your job on the line to bring her to justice
@@therevolutioniscoming1569 - actually if you read the timelines, after being made to apologise, he did continue his private investigation along with the other concerned consultants. You have to remember that there was no definite evidence at that time so there will have been a lot of uncertainty and what the executives were saying wasn't without merit i.e. all that the doctors had at that time was circumstantial so it's understandable that they didn't go all out, guns blazing.
The hospital management is just as responsible as the killer nurse, as they let it happen, dismissing the repeated concerns raised. It is professional negligence and they must taken to the court.
Excerpt from daily telegraph online 14.09.2014 Dr Jayaram said the “only concern raised about Lucy was she had been exposed to so many deaths” and there was a feeling that “it might be traumatic for her”. When asked if he heard any suggestion that Lucy had been deliberately harming babies, Dr Jayaram said there was “no objective evidence to suggest that at all”. He added: “The only association was Lucy’s presence on the unit at the time. Anything else is speculation.”
As an NHS doctor, I can say that nurses and doctors (and other healthcare staff, honestly) are not taken seriously when whistle blowing or raising concerns. Like, EVER. In fact, we are often BLAMED for it. A management staff once told me perhaps I need to find a new career since I was being sexually and racially harassed by another doctor.
My heart goes out to this gentleman. He defines the profession, to cause no harm, and seeing his emotions at the end only further shows his compassion and empathy which should exemplify every healthcare professional.
Well done Sir for talking out. So basically, the hospital authorities thought they were above the law by not allowing the police to be involved.......they are as much to blame.
@@NineSeptims The police would ask why you haven’t done your due diligence via internal review. They would be inclined not to waste resources if the dept has not found anything worrying. You would now be a liability to your hospital after that, nobody likes a tattletale..and good luck getting hired again.
The only one to blame That dr said the same thing I said too, that this nurse should not have been left along with those baby that a second nurse should have been with her , but hospital didn’t listen
Dr Ravi Jayaram is a hero. There are many consultants in the NHS who won't speak out about concerns about care. Too many concerned about their positions and pensions And for that we have to blame successive UK governments, NHS management imposition and red tape robbing doctors and staff of a free voice.
@@eeroala5132not only that! They deserve lengthy jail time to be made an example of to other bosses like them. This behavious is very common amongst these NHS bosses. It needs to be dealt with harshly to reduce the chances if it happening again!
Nobody else apart from this woman will be held accountable. That inquiry is not even going to be Public Inquiry. They are trying to make as little noise as possible about it. Same was with grooming gangs
The very fact that hospital admin didn't believe a doctor who had no reason to accuse a nurse is beyond understanding. I agree that all who ignored the warnings and aggressively reprimanded the doctors should also be charged. My god this woman is pure evil and so were the administrators. They only cared about money and likely their race.
But, on the other hand. You can see how it might look like 2 doctors arguing that, it couldn’t possibly be their fault. Maybe trying to find a scape goat… it could look that way from the outside. Ultimately, I think this issue highlights that there is a hierarchy in decision making that super-cedes clinical acumen and experience, which unfortunately has proved gravely detrimental
@michaelweeks5858 when babies are dying every possible theory must be investigated and to side against the doctors without any investigation is not a normal thing.
Dr Ravi Jayaram was my grandsons Dr and has a excellent physician. Our grandson born with Cerebral Palsy in the Countess of Chester and Ravi followed his progress up to 16 years old thankfully this evil woman wasn't at the hospital at the time of his birth because I feel he would have been a target.
I wonder why the former Chief Executive and Medical Director would side with Lucie Letby, ignore complaints from this Consultant, blindly defend Lucie, then say he is a bully and he should apologise to Lucie? This question is rhetorical. We all know what was at play here! The Chief Executive and Medical Director should never get jobs in the NHS again! They are also to blame for the deaths and harm to 17 defenseless babies - so much for the protecting the Trust's reputation.
It's sadly part of a culture that permeates so many professions and institutions. Just look at the state of the metropolitan police. The first instinct of these people is to put the organisation's reputation above anything else.
I'm not surprised managers ignored these glaring concerns by experienced doctors. Nhs management is riddled with toxic anti doctor culture and any form of whistleblowing is severely punished. Dr Chris Day for example is still being dragged through the court for flagging up major safety concerns at his department. It's sickening.
Parents and families may consider helping to save more babies through having a collective public demand or pressure for the case to be thoroughly investigated including a mental health check as well as back ground check to childhood level of the nurse.
I honestly can't believe how useless this management were. Well done to this doctor and his colleagues for fulfilling their safeguarding duties and doing something. Its very very hard to make an allegation against a colleague and this took courage. I hope the way it was handled doesn't deter other professionals from doing the right thing in the future.
The doctors let this go on for quite a while too. I think there's more than meets the eye in this case. I wonder if it isn't just a shitty hospital all around.
I’m sorry but, if babies were being murdexxxx around me, I would report it immediately to the police once, I realised the organisation is ignoring/covering up.
@@sweetestaphrodite He is a coward.. he put his job over the well being of infants. He should have gone to the police at the first signs of some serious wrongdoings, and ignored his superiors.
Even IF those consultants were overly cautious about any foul behaviour, the hospital had a duty of care to start a thorough investigation at the first alarm. How disgraceful to have exposed those doctors to such alarming and stressful reactions from the administrators. For shame on them. Dr Ravi you are a hero.
she's more than likely innocent, if you don't think the establishment would stitch somebody up to save its reputation just remember the post office scandal.
Please go watch the 4 hour video footage of the inquiry and come back and comment with knowledge of the trial. It's on- crime scene to courtroom - youtube channel. People really need to do their research .
Dr Jayaram has a special quality that sets him apart: Integrity. Well done Dr for fighting for the lives of children, despite the opposing management who had self-interest as their priority. We need more doctors like him and less management like them. I hope those managers pay a heavy price for their actions.
4:04 Interesting that Jayaram managed to "catch a killer", when the person who was going to take the blame (were the cause of deaths of these babies decided to be due to the generally poor management in this unit) was himself.
This is so, so sad. It’s also a great reminder of how poorly the management is within the NHS. My uncles been a gynaecologist in the NHS for 25 years and he said it’s a disgrace how poorly it’s run. The management within hospitals don’t want to make large scale needed changes because it reflects badly on them. People blame the lack of money but it’s far more than that.
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Having to apologise to a serial killer because you hurt their feelings is actually really sickening- I can't believe they made well respected doctors do this.
Racism, white privilege and white psychosis is real
Ikr? Unbelievable.
inst racism and toxic feminisM!!
@IntellegentBatMat you sound really intelligent rn. Dumbass
Sounds exactly like what this whole.society hs become. Don't look at evidence, don't be logical, and don't hurt the feelings of those social media deems worthy
This is so disgusting for a hospital not to listen to doctors taking care of these babies
And just like here in America white's killing babies of color smh
That hospital needs to be sued for a couple million £. Blood is on their hands and they need to compensate these babies' families and this doctor for the egregious negligence and distress they caused. Won't bring the babies back but will send a message.
Hypocrisy of modern UK. Recently woman who murdered baby deliberately in 3rd trimester ny taking abortion pills get out of jail. Feminazis trying to portray her as a victim. Abortion without questions asked legal till 6 months. Abortion in case of possibility of Down syndrome legal till birth.
@@utubefreshieno, the managers who dismissed their concerns need to go to jail.
@@captainross4706 Worse than dismissed, they actively bullied the doctors who were trying to raise concerns into silence with threats of destroying their career. All to hold up the pathetic 'image' of their hospital trust.
Dr. Ravi is a hero. He deserves a medal. The hospital authorities should be in the same cell as Lucy Letby
Absolutely correct 👏🏼
Nhs managers should apologise to him and then face prosecution
I genuinely hope the government will honor him and he others who forced this to be recognized.
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But Hospital Authorities won't be Punished for the Crimes they committed
When Dr. Ravi said with tears in his eyes, "If the actions had been taken earlier, some of the babies would be going to school now" is so heart breaking. Love to the grieving families and huge respect to the doctor. We need more like him.
Many would be going too school but we need to find the ones going to school😅 That are the bullshit attitudes and vwey plain and
We do but we need to have Jo's ba l 9:12 9:12 9:12 9:12 9:12 9:12 9:12 9:12 The very start
I so love this place an this planet HOW CAN WE HELp our pl anet
Yeah he’s a great actor I
Must say. Oscar winning performance dr Ravi jayaram 👏
@@andyryan3756why do you say that you sicko ?
Yes we do he is a fantastic doctor
The fact that it took 7 consultants, and management still didn't think to intervene is astounding.
Sadly there may be some doctors who care many sadly don't some nurses may care but most just don't. It it what it is.
@@WaryofExtremes-realoriginalthis is not proven and is not economical. What’s more sensible is having a system where whistleblowing is encouraged! Management should also be made accountable
Lots of people in power never do what is right... until AFTER they are personally impacted.
The top management did not make a change until AFTER they believed their jobs were at risk.
Bunch of jumped up pen pushers. They should be charged for willful negligence the disgusting pigs
Those useless managers should be prosecuted and in jail - their incompetence is beyond shocking and have blood on their hands .
Goes to show how absolutely toxic a work environment can be and how managers can be so incompetent. So disgusting and harrowing
Stop using the word "toxic" call it as it: CORRUPTED.
This is what happens when far left politics take precedent over common sense
they admin looked the other way because they were incentivized to do so. if they believed the doctors and called the police, and she was or wasn't, nobody would want to go to the hospital anymore. I wouldn't want to go there for an aspirin!
so they closed their eyes and hoped it woudl go away, so they could keep their fat paychecks and cushy jobs.
they should face some culpability, even if it is just getting personally sued by some of the latter parents for not stopping her sooner.
the hospital admin made a choice. a conscious choice. and if you don't want it to keep happening, then you heed to assign consequences.
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They’ll be looking for work because the hospital will/has fired them because of public outcry and multiple lawsuits from the parents of the babies!
I was a nurse and trust me, it's one of the most toxic environments I have had the misfortune in working in, most of which was caused by the ward manager.
The trust managers who dealt with this matter should be prosecuted...they helped her to continue killing babies.
They're involved in something with her. That's why they tried to protect her. In any hospital in the world if more than 2 babies die the nurses on shift will be invistigated. How many babies she had to kill before they suspect her?!
Absolutely.
Amen. We really need hold managers accountable, they keep getting away with these cases over and over again.
@kitchenworker-they turned a blind eye to what was going on AND totally undermined and undervalued the expertise of the DRs who were raising the concerns.
Sounded like all they had to do initially is correlate her on shift schedule with the victims, which the police later did, to at least draw more conclusions/help shine light on her. @@topgtopg2658
Been a nurse for 14 years now and I’ve never seen such an evil act. Poor babies. My heart is crying with their parents. Absolutely disgusting that the Trust let her slip for years.
What about abortion?
@@ED-xk5sb I never have assisted an abortion and never will. Abortion can be intentional or medical. Have you heard of the rule of epikia?
@@ED-xk5sbWhat has this to do with a monster deliberately killing premature babies you can agree or disagree but go onto an abortion rights site to say your piece
Open yours eyes... There's more to it when ppl pass such comments.
Heya I don't know much about what's going inside the wards but do you know any reason why they never kept CCTV cameras? Was it privacy reasons?
What an insult to that doctor. Whoever ignored his warnings should be prosecuted.
Exactly. Very irresponsible hospital!! Drs know better.
AGREE!!!!
No they can't@@WaryofExtremes-realoriginal
Keep in mind she's white, he is colored, no way anyone is going to accept an accusation from him about her.
agreed. i hope the management gets sued by the family. maybe on the grounds of negligence?
Seven doctors raised the alarm and they assumed so many babies dying was a coincidence? This is so sad. My heart goes out to all those families who lost their sons and daughters
not sad, evil. The nurse was evil, and the management wasn't incomeptent, they were evil as well. Good men and women stood up, fought against even, even swallowing their pride to save the lives of the most innocent
I hope that the management go to prison as well for child endangerment and for hiding, and assisting in, criminal actions that took the lives of multiple babies
Shows how super smart and intelligent people will discount their gut feelings. We have an intuition for a reason
Far left politics in NHS
Yep, that's right, seven doctors discussing it, for how long? One even stated they had a killer on the ward, but not one of the seven went to the police in all that time while those babies were being killed, as they thought by Lucy Letby (not to mention the suffering and injury to those babies that survived). They let her get away with it, because something something management, jobs, concerns etc.
@@ITSREALLYNOTYOURFAULTif they went to the police they would have lost their job and their reputation would have been harmed and maybe they wouldn't have found another job
"This child could be going school today" Strong words. What a Doctor.
Says the person who’s probably pro-abortion and calls the painful brutal murder of millions of babies a “right”.
He said 4-5 children actually😢
“There are babies that could be going to school now, but aren’t”?
What’s this guy trying to do, convince us that Letby did them a favor? Sure sounds like it. Because school sucks!
So should all tha aborted babies be going to school
absolutely chilling words.
I feel so bad for this doctor! He knew something was wrong but had no proof. Then he was forced to apologize to someone he knew was a killer.
Yes. There was proof. The first baby had air injected into him/her...discovered on autopsy. The second had INSULIN injected. Revealed at autopsy...these were not 'mystery' deaths..not caught...red flags went up IMMEDIATELY - AND THE FIRST TWO TIMES- ,Lucy was the common denominator, as she would be with the other attacks/murders. So this was caught early on. Known murders. And execs let it ride- and staff unfortunately did not independendently call in pokice- and neither did the coroner's. Why?
Her father threatened to take these Dr's to the Medical Council could have lost their jobs this man has yet to apologize to these Dr's or indeed the grieving parents like his coward of a daughter could not face them
Hey Christine, read the article 'Conviction' in the New Yorker by Rachel Aviv. You might change your mind.
You are easily fooled. He is acting. A wicked man who would sooner see an innocent nurse die in prison than own up to the fact he and other doctors in the unit were incompetent. Letby was exposing them and had already been harrassed. She was threatening to take things further - quite rightly. They all had an axe to grind. Together they successfully made her the scapegoat for the babies deaths. They should all stand trial.
@@gainsbourg66 I pray he spends time behind bars. Despicable man.
The management should be put on trial.
Definitely!
Bring the management to trial!!
Just pure speculation, but Id be intrigued to see if Lucy letby had any personal relationship with those managers.
@@ytshudshe did have a brief relationship with a doctor but I don't think he was senior management.
@@ytshudshe wasn't an ethnic....would have been treated differently if she was black or Asian I can assure you.
The fact that 6 days before she was due to be back on the ward, the police became involved means that there was a desperate rush from the doctors, who were essentially putting their careers on the line, to stop her before another baby was murdered.
It's a reminder that there are plenty of good people left in the NHS and in the world generally. Heroes
They was desperate to destroy her because she reported him for failures of care
@@Koi-addict33 What do you mean? This statement makes no sense.
@@Koi-addict33 Stop the bullS.
Yeah, they’re not nurses.
@@Koi-addict33 What about the notes in her apartment, were they planted?
Shame on the hospital management not removing her immediately from the unit. They owe Dr. Ravi and the victims an apology and a huge compensations.
Nobody understands how corrupt hospitals are.
Should have suspended her on pay, to allow an investigation, think of how many may have been saved, well we will never know, hindsight, or just plain common sense.
"shame"? The management, but most especially the CEO Hervey, should be sacked.
@@soniavadnjal7553they should be on trial for corporate manslaughter! Sacking is the least they deserve.
That hospital has to shut down.
You believe you’ve just witnessed an attempted murder … but don’t report it to the police?
Strange.
Dr. Ravi should be honored for going above and beyond and saving countless babies lives. Can't believe the humiliation he must've felt when he was forced to apologize. The CEO threatening his job and career for doing the right thing is unacceptable!
Can't agree more!
Sadly, it very much looks like there was a racial factor to management decisions. I’ve seen this before- just not with such an extreme consequence.
The CEO and medical director should be fired for utter negligence, maybe even put behind bars for grievous dereliction of duty.
@@truthseeker3740 Not to mention, not trusted around kids.
Just the usual, typical institutional bureaucratic response to protect themselves
As a retired nurse, I’m truly sickened that a nurse is capable of hurting ANYONE let alone a baby. My heart hurts.
I am a retired nurse, too. I am outraged, horrified, and it hurts deep in my heart and soul.
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She was a psychopath. They are wired like that. While nursing has a lot of Empaths who care about people, Unfortunately there are psychopaths in the nursing profession too coz it gives them access to hurt & abuse helpless people without consequences.
Exactly
Too many nurses do harm patients. I speak from experience!
@globalcitizenn you are so right, I was told just the same by an nhs internal investigator! The medical colleges are a sham!
Dr Ravi helped saved my baby son's life when he was born prem, in an unrelated case. I can't believe people in charge could try and turn the blame on him he really is the best around, they should be ashamed.
where did they dig you up from as a witness? Are you a shill or a real person?
He is acting. A wicked man who would sooner see an innocent nurse die in prison than own up to the fact he and other doctors in the unit were incompetent. No babies were murdered, they all died because of poor treatment in a sub-standard unit. Letby was exposing them and had already been harrassed for doing so. She was threatening to take things further - quite rightly - but they all had an axe to grind. Together they successfully made her the scapegoat for the babies deaths. They should all stand trial.
Yes indeed .
Yes.
Make the managers ACCOUNTABLE
He's already given the line "lessons will be learned..."
100% let managers be on trial too
Name and shame, they need to be fired 😠
This whole case stinks of White Woman privilege.
More than fired!! Those managers need prison also. They are partly liable!! 😡😡
Good on him for standing up for what is right.
Hfe didn't tho, he apparantky saw her and yet did or said nothing
@@Andrea-ld9cy Well thanks for that comment. It made a lot of sense. Oh, wait... 🤔
@@Andrea-ld9cy I do not know whether to take your comment seriously. At that moment in time, all you are thinking about is the baby health's deteriorating and doing something about it. There is a procedure and time and place for making comments and from the report Dr Ravi and his fellow doctors did just that but the management were ineffective. Thank God the police were on the case after about less than 15 minutes with the medical staff.
@@Andrea-ld9cy Hey? He raised this years prior. He was shamed and made to look like a liar because he was brown and she was white.
what I don't get is why if lucy letby was working in that hospital from 2012 that nothing happened till 2015?
ALL THOSE HOSPITAL MANAGERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE DEATHS!
HOW DARE THEY CLAIM ITS NOT THEIR FAULT THIS WOMAN KEPT KILLING. ASK THE PARENTS HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT!
WE NEED TO START HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE
Those responsible should be STRUCK OFF and jailed - public should DEMAND that
They were deliberately negligent and indifferent. They need to be prosecuted.
I'm an MD in Canada and it is the SAME here, the management has all the power and are accountable to no one. Narcissistic, immoral bureaucrats. I've faced bullying from them.
What these doctors faced would 100% have happened in ANY hospital in the Western hemisphere. The killer b** is going to jail thank God, but them? never a shadow of a consequence.
Parents of dead children, please sue these managers into oblivion.
Oh and btw, nurses are unionized. Their unions are powerful, even against the management. Doctors have no recourse. You may be amazed to her this, but we are absolutely defenseless, as our College is only there to sanction us, never, under no circumstance, are they there to support us in any way.
@@niburu1508 Managers can't get 'struck off'.
100% agree. They willingly assisted the deaths
I would be furious if I was this doctor and was treated like this by the hospital - then only to find he was absolutely correct.
So sorry for how Dr Ravi was treated. You are a superior doctor and you saved many more babies from her evil hands. God bless you.
Exactly... I felt bad of the babies who died.. but he has literally save countless babies from dying... Who new how many lifes she was about to tk in future...
Her side of story also seems to be doubtfull .. since shes a psycho ..
Maybe we'll see a netflix documentary on her soon
He should be promoted and rewarded for his courage
I totally agree with your comments. This gentleman has probably saved countless other babies who could have been killed by Lucy
Racism because he’s Indian
Because he is not cocaisian .
The hospital executives should have known that a person that kills often blends in and can charm and fool people, and can come across as top performers. These doctors were treated very unfairly. The executives should be sacked and they owe the doctors an apology. The executives chose to trust a 20 year old nurse rather than doctors that have over 20 years experience. Disgusting.
Its hardly a new thing, many nurses have killed babies, and of course the most prolific British serial killer was a doctor.
Agreed. They also need to be prosecuted so they can never do this ever again.
Letby was 33yrs old not 20yrs
Not only sacked. The managers should be locked for life because they enabled her to do the crime. Managers were focused to cover up. They didn't care about babies. Let them rooth in prison. Bustars
@@khali1880 she's 33 now banana
He had to write an apology letter to the 'babies killer.' Get management NEXT, please.
These hospital managers NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE for their part in all of this !!!! This poor doctor was doing everything he could to tell them what was going on, and they flat out refused to do ANYTHING to help him 😕 He's a wonderful doctor and person, we need more like him ❤️
Lol of course they're not going to he held accountable, are you mad? They have their fall girl already.
The smug fatcats always walk away with massive pensions in these sort of scandals. They are never truly held responsible.
Our whole attitude to “whistleblowers” needs to change…..they speak out to protect the public. It is those who hold power,run the organisation,who don’t want their system upsetting.
💯%agree.
That's shoddy management for you! If this case doesn't prove that giving managers too much power over professionals is a terribly idea, then what will?
I have to wonder why nobody in charge of oversight of the actions of UK-based medical professionals learned a thing from the failures of various hospitals across the contiguous US of 1-time doc Michael Swango. There were warning signs that Lucy Letby was, like Mr. Swango in the 1990s, up to no good as a medical professional.
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 exactly.
I completely agree, I can't understand how 'speaking out" is such a vilified thing
7 consultants raised concerns and management didn’t listen to them!?? what sort of world are we living in. Truly sickening.
British elites love to protect child killers and rapists.
Remember Jimmy Savile?
Sums up English racists in one sentence
This is very common, sadly.. btw I work in the NHS
White privilege is real
“4 or 5 babies could be going to school now”… this broke me to tears…. She’s the worst serial killer I believe. I have no better words to describe her!
Dr Death killed more, not that it makes her crimes any less horrific. We will never know what those children would have gone on to do and achieve. Maybe one of them would have been a PM, or award-winning author, maybe they would just just had familes. we will never know.
One of the babies who were part of a set of twins has severe learning difficulties and complex needs because of Lucy administering insulin
What makes hesick is her victims were defenseless and incapable of speaking out.
Hospital bosses MUST be investigated by the police! Babies had AIR and INSULIN injected into them- the babies did not do it to themselves! Lucy was the single commin denominator in each of those tragedies. Hospital bosses THREATENED the doctors careers.. how dare they!
Kudos to this consultant!
They were deliberately negligent and indifferent. They need to be prosecuted.
@@freespeech6999 it went further . It was the organised cover up of abuse of professionals by the professional gatekeepers- multiple murders and attempted murders of the most helpless and vulnerable- the attacks and murders continued. Police should have been called with the first air injections and insulin administrations. My heart breaks for the little one who collapsed multiple times- but fought to LIVE - two or three collapses in the space of a few hours before he lost the fight and died at the hands of this monster..I think she killed two of three triplets? How do the heartless hospital bosses look in the mirror? The parents? No words to console them. The ball can't stop here. Her bf, the married registrar who was on duty when she timed the attacks so she would come across glorious and committed to him. Haul his butt in.
you're making this up.
@@richardmullins44 it's widely reported and consultants themselves made these comments.
@@shaynelahmed6323 the consultants were deluded or telling lies.
You’re hero for speaking out and you have saved so many babies by speaking out.
Where were they 3 years ago, silent like the rest. Redemption should not be given to any of these people.
he didnt speak out loud enough ! if he had any real decency he would have gone straight to the police, instead of worrying about keeping his job
You saved lives Doctor. Lucy would have killed more😭
@@michelejohnston4029put yourself in his shoes before you pass judgement. He went through the correct channels . If he went straight to police , he could have been sued by the trust and the nurse for defamation. The fact that he and his fellow consultants persisted when the management put them off is courageous and heroic . They saved countless lives by speaking up .
@@michelejohnston4029 I disagree with you. He told the management and he was told to keep quiet. He could have lost his job and his family would be affected. This could lead to so many challenges for him. Are you for real? Do you have the audacity to speak out if the management tell you not to speak out? Are you thinking?
The system is corrupted, huge respect to Dr Ravi Sayaram.
Because she was a white female and the doctors were asian. They the management sided with the white female. Killer. How sad.
Hypocrisy of modern UK. Recently woman who murdered baby deliberately in 3rd trimester ny taking abortion pills get out of jail. Feminazis trying to portray her as a victim. Abortion without questions asked legal till 6 months. Abortion in case of possibility of Down syndrome legal till birth.
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@@leroysimon5692the chief was smashing Lucy Letby.
@@TOM-TOM-TOMgood point! I think her angelic demeanour kept her under the radar! Glad she been caught and now just lock her up and throw away the key!
What a courageous individual Dr Ravi is! Your courage to stand up to an unlawful power and to hold your ground firm is very commendable - a lot of respect to you!
So courageous yet he couldn't call 999 to report babies being murdered? Because he was scared of losing his job at worst? Seems quite the opposite of courage to me
@@AM-bl2cs go away troll lol
Please explain it to me. He claimed she was murdering babies. He told her boss, and when they didn't act, he just.. went on with his life? Why didn't he call the police, even anonymously? @@TRoussele
@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist8I believe insatan
@@TRousselel
Dr Ravi is so insanely strong. They really threw everything at him hoping to grind him down and give up hope, but the moment he got to speak to the police he had a clear head and only the thought of justice on his mind. Bravo.
He must be honored a civil award. He indeed caught evil & brought evil to justice.
what about all the other doctors?
No he shouldn't ! he allowed this to continue on . He didnt do enough to stop her in her tracks
@@michelejohnston4029 He was threatened if he didn’t drop it
@@michelejohnston4029do you know he was threatened? How many people have you reported in your organisation?
He didn't do anything actually. He was a coward and did what he was told and should have just risked being fired by going to Police. I'm sure he could have set himself up in private practice if fired. Who would want to work for the NHS under those circumstances? I'd rather flip burgers at MacDonald's than help protect a baby murderer. Also he and his colleagues could have set up their own spy camera and caught her in the act and taken the footage to Police, without informing the hospital.
WHY ARE THE MANAGERS NOT IN JAIL and the whistleblowers should be awarded !!
I think Lucy needed to be found guilty at trial first. Imagine if she was innocent and they were in jail. They’ll be sweating now though.
Whistleblowers are hated in the UK they become targeted individual's
@@aname5267 There's no problem suspending her on normal pay until a proper investigation takes place. Fact is no other nurse or doctor was on the ward on the same shifts she was, and there was evidence several babies had been injected with artificial insulin, that doesn't happen accidentally.
Agreed
@@tomsixsix to true
As a nurse with 10 years critical care experience, you listen to the consultants because they know what they’re talking about, most of them are the most committed professionals you could ever meet.
Definitely
Strongly agree 🙏
@@JupiterThunder I'm surprised you allow managers who are not doctors and nurses to manage anything.
Not all the consultants are like him! There are so many useless ones! And nurses in general those days are absolutely awful! Yuk! Hospital should be the safest place! Disgusting! The board members should be prosecuted who protected her too!
9 years critical care, completely agree!
It made me tear up to see the raw grief on Dr. Ravi's face when he said that the truly believed that the babies could have been saved. He knew what he was talking about and the thought makes me cry.
You can see that Dr Ravi Jayaram is a deeply empathetic, intelligent, and proactive doctor - everything a doctor/healthcare worker should be. It's astonishing that the board seemed to have gone out of their way to take the side of a nurse when multiple highly experienced consultants had raised very serious concerns. I hope everyone involved can heal from this.
I'm a nurse. You should see what happens if you report someone for being high or stealing drugs
He's Indian, of course he's smart
😂👉@@KM-rk3ok
@@KM-rk3okHe's British.
@@mildlydispleased3221 Nationality wise perhaps, I believe the previous commenter was referring to his potential ethnicity.
You can see the heartbreak in the doctor's eyes, the aguish he feels for the tiny, innocent victims and their families.
Yes, brought me to tears!
I’m sure his reports were not taken seriously because he is Indian
@@lionkingk5098The white doctor’s reports weren’t taken seriously either.
@@lionkingk5098 Maybe, however, their were many senior docs with him on the issue.
@@lionkingk5098Indian doctors are trusted worldwide tho!
Did this wonderful, caring doctor ever GET AN APOLOGY to his face, as Lucy was deemed privileged enough to get? He deserved a thousand apologies to his face. And a bonus. I doubt he received either.
He probably won't. If anyone does apologise that is basically admitting they where responsible (which they are). And none of them seem to be willing to do so. Personally, I believe all the management should be held accountable. Either charge them (if they can), or at least fire them. Not a single one of them should be anywhere near Hospital management again in their lives.
Interestingly a year on we know this "person" was lying through his back teeth. What he stated during Lucy Letby's grievance procedure against him was that he had no reason to believe she had done anything wrong and he only wanted her to have time away from the ward because she had had some very traumatic experiences. In court he said that he had seen Lucy Letby virtually in the act of harming a baby and this was burned into his memory. Both statements cannot be true since both were made after the event he claimed to witness. People should also be aware that there were over 100 malpractice suits underway but they were discontinued once a "murderer" had been found.
Over 100?! Jeepers! I do think something was certainly etched into his memory but certainly not as he has described it and anything in his nightmares will be from a guilty conscience.
The reputation of the hospital was deemed more important then an unexplained deaths of newborn children, we live in a sick world.
yeah... that reputation is in tatters now
well ....there is a reason why india is the medical tourism hub of the world
This man is a hero. I can’t believe the manager had all the doctors write an apology letter to the murderer.
He would be a hero if had gone to the police direct and saved some lives. But he, and six others, sat on it while management shrugged it off. Not my idea of hero.
Why didn't the doctors bypass management and phone the police?!
typical angrez moment ...
typical british moment of always not listening to indians
the CEO
I hope the doctor got the same apology letter and an face to face apology from all those who ignored him! And give him a raise as well 😊
They were deliberately negligent and indifferent. They need to be prosecuted.
i would bet they did not
Took two years to concoct a plan to frame someone for mistakes made. There were many more deaths that happened when Lucy was not on duty.
absolutely
Brave, brave man!...we need more people like him who are willing to stand up and shout out when evil is being committed.
The managers responsible should themselves be charged with causing or allowing the death of children.
@@paddymeboyabsolutely the managers are as much to blame for the murders as they allowed her to continue to kill and threatened professional doctors not to talk out
@@paddymeboy Hope they can sleep at night
@@khali1880we shouldn't let them.
Absolutely
Bless this man's soul. The pressure and guilt he was put through is disgusting. He knew in his heart that he was right, but was bullied into disbelieving himself. May you find peace, serenity, and forgiveness. Know that you are not responsible for the actions of others. You are loved and forgiven.
This type of emotional strain doesn't go away and I hope he doesn't become too sure of himself, because a crazy case like this causes crazy in people.
@@XuyesiYes this woman's father threatened them with the Medical Council what right had they to bow to him and not the Professional Dr's obviously treating this man on a par with his delusional daughter something off in her upbringing
This doctor needs to be awarded for his bravery ❤ I cannot imagine how difficult hi situation was. He did an INCREDIBLE service to the public despite the shocking lack of carers the medical board gave to these children and families. God bless you sir. Those babies will be smiling while looking down from heaven at you❤❤❤
Heaven?🤦♂️ Please grow up.
there was other doctors too.
Are you aware it was the trust that called the police in the end? Not this Doctor or any of the other six Doctors? They did not report it to a regulatory body (nmc) outside of the trust. They did not go to the media.
If the trust (under new leadership) did not call the police it could still be happening.
Confused as to how Dr Ravi is a hero?
There were many other avenues the Doctors who were concerned could have taken to stop this. They chose not to.
Those were vulnerable babies.
All patients rely on *brave* whistleblowers.
I think his difficult situation is taht he is telling lies? For what? What does he fear?
Legal action should be taken against mangers. This is shocking. Poor parents 😢
Dr Ravi is a national hero and should be knighted for his courageous and quick actions helping save so many innocent babies lives.
this is who should be knighted, not entertainers
Believe the official narrative at your peril.
These managers should be charged and put in jail for a suitable period. Gross neglect of care, causing the unnecessary deaths of children. Sickening.
yeah they must be culpable under law right?
@@AwwSnookems they definitely should be. They ignored the problem for well over a year before doing anything about it. Trying to strong arm several well respected doctors over a nurse is insanity. These doctors know what they are talking about and were silenced.
Yes. At least two babies died after they had ample evidence that Letby was a killer. They chose to ignore that evidence because she was a young and moderately pretty white nurse.
They are all part of the same killing cult. There's always evil managers at the top to cover up
Yup!
As a pediatrician myself I can feel the pain that Dr Ravi is going through.. thinking about the very sick, horrible system of administration in this hospital. Think these admins are morally and ethically responsible for the tragedy. Hope for fair trial
Trials been done she’s already been sentenced
100%. things need to change. we need more good people like yourself and Dr Ravi
@@cortneyrenswhat about the hospital management? Were those people punished?
As a paediatrician would you have signed the death certificates?
Right, yeah, that poor doctor going through all that when he could gone to the police and prevented some of the deaths. Instead he will have to live with the guilt of simply laying the responsibility at the feet of the management. Only kidding, i don't think he feels any guilt.
Same happened in the hospitals here with Genene Jones in the US.
Hospital Administrators were warned over and over again that other staff were suspicious of her and infants deaths, but they refused to investigate because if they found out it was true, it would mean lawsuits and bad press for the hospital, so they quietly fired her. She then went to work for a pediatrician and continued killing children until she was finally caught
😱😡, I am so 😡
I remember that case. I live in Ireland but I believe she even got into an ambulance with a child she had already attempted to murder and ATTENDED to the child even when medics told her not too. Didn't she move around a bit to try and avoid detection? It shocking that hospital administration is so afraid of litigation they'd sooner let someone go on with all these suspicions.... 🤬 they are as guilty as sin....
@@marietighe6328 She got her excitement running the resuscitation efforts which is why she did it. She was at one hospital for some time until they kicked her out, then went to work for a private practice pediatrician until she left and was arrested while trying to get a job at OUR hospital !
@@frankdrevinpolicesquad2930. Yes that's what I was thinking when i heard about her and lots of people described her ENJOYING the attention. Its almost like Munchousen by proxy ( sorry i mispelled this) my god these people are so sick. I had limited information on this case. I still remember looking at a photo of her and feeling such a deep hatred for her. It's also traumatic for staff like you to believe that someone in your midst is a cold blooded killer. Its a healing profession and i can only imagine it must be hard to trust colleagues again. So sorry for this 😥❤️
@@marietighe6328Beverly Allitt was a case years ago never learned anything from that have they
It won’t bring their children back but these families need to sue. This is absolutely sickening and gut wrenching
It’s understandable to feel that way. However, the funds for compensation will likely compete with funding for more positive causes in the hospitals. I’d be delighted however if compensation would be paid from the pensions of the Senior positions that allowed this to continue.
@@MS-Patriot2agreed. Suing the hospital is just taking money out of the NHS that could be used for say training, to spot any potentially problematic staff or invest in the CCTV cameras Dr Jayaram suggested be placed in the NICU.
Now, taking the money from the Big bosses by giving them a pay cut might be a better way to find funds to pay the lawsuit! Taking it from the doctors and nurses, be it directly or indirectly will only cause more problems, for us the patients, as well as the staff. Besides, no amount of money will make up for the loss of their babies.
No excuses, sue the NHS stop acting like it'll affect them in the least the government will continue to siphon money into that pit.
@@leannes1083 no no, the compensation comes from Govt, not the NHS. you're getting mixed up
@@BOZ_11cos they've got so much money to spare. Take it from the execs, they aren't spending nigh on a decade at school, like doctors do, so why do they need to be on quite so much money? It's greed.
But the government/NHS are 1 and the same essentially, taking money from 1 hurts the other, and the NHS can't afford to lose any more money. It took 11 years to get my surgery, if I'd gone private from the beginning, before my diagnosis, it would have been over and done with within 3 months. Hence why I don't want any money taking from the nhs be it directly or indirectly
I really hope the chief executives and trustees are prosecuted for not taking action to prevent many of the deaths. They are culpable.
Because she was a white female and the doctors were asian. They the management sided with the white female. Killer. How sad.
Doctor Jayram and his colleagues who raised the alarm are absolute heroes. On the other hand, it would be a horrendous travesty if Tony Chamber, Ian Harvey, Alison Kelly, and Karen Rees are not charged with gross negligence and corporate manslaughter. All their pension should be stripped as well. Their arrogance is just incredible.
Absolutely!
Wow, what an actor this guy is. He is in the wrong profession. A disgrace!!!
I’m an old nurse now. I have 3 children and suffers from secondary infertility, or unable to conceive, after having children. I can’t imagine this under any circumstances. It’s beyond awful! The board owes this physician a huge apology. He is the hero!
I agree. I can't believe they tried to bring her back. I'm a mum with an almost 5 year old. I lost a baby earlier this year and currently 13 weeks pregnant. Due to out loss. I'm so scared this baby won't come.home even though I'm doing everything I can to keep this baby safe.
@@JessMurgatroyd that's madness. Babies are well looked after. This is not a regular thing. This is not something you should be even considering
Patients are only safe if the trust gives a damn.
Dr. Ravi is a brown / black and not a British person: so, white Managers in NHS will never take seriously an accusation against a white British nurse. This is the reality . If Lucy was black / brown outsider nurse, NHS managers were taken the action immediately. This is the heritage white British people’s privilege in daily bases in Britain. But no one will have the guts to say this out . This is the reality.
British people including all police must realise this type of privileges happening in Britain so easily. White or Black, they shouldn’t ignore the whistleblowers. 😡
Apology? They should be criminally charged and he should get a MASSIVE payout for defamation.
Dr Ravi is a hero , I salute you
Yes he sure is a hero and the so called "nurse" is a chilling psychopath. He has grounds to sue for such emotional and professional damage he endured. He probably has PTSD from what he has been through.
@@janeclayton151 facts, sadly this is the politics you experience in the workplace , you raise a concern only for it to come back on you.
How is he a hero. He agreed to retract and continue working with her when his job was threatened despite knowing she was killing babies.
@@NR-rv8rz he raised the concerns and was made to apologise.
@@spencerosei2616 Nobody 'made' him apologise. He chose to apologise.
He was given a choice, apologise and let babies be murdered and keep your job, or call the police, stop babies from being murdered and lose your job.
He chose to let babies continue being murdered so he could keep his job.
My nephew was born 25 weeks 5 days old. The neonatal nurses, doctors saved him He is now 10. May God console the hearts of families whose childrens were supposed to be saved.
God bless you, your nephew and his medical staff ❤
I was born at 0
More and more real evidence is coming out about the state of that unit. Its looking more and more likely Lucy was a scapegoat for the hospital failings in my opinion. There's even been a recent leaked document showing a vital piece of equipment needed to monitor the babies was broken at that time...
Dr Jayaram deserves an award for his honesty and bravery in trying to stop this killer.
Brave man, she is extremely manipulative. His gut instinct was right.
He's not brave, he's too weak. He didn't do anything and just did as he was told by the hospital. If he had gotten fired, so what? You think he can't move on to set himself up in private practice?
Gut instinct is almost always right 🤍
@@bingonamo7520 Probably trying to assume why someone would do that.
@@bingonamo7520You cannot go to police without proof. She could sue him for damages and practically bankrupt him. He could lose his job. He could lose his chance to get another job. He reported to the authority. That being said he or someone else should have secretly alerted the police, that would have saved few of those babies😢
@@bingonamo7520 people like you are the reason why guys like him won't do the right thing.
You'll pick apart their character even when they do the right thing.
Dr. Ravi is a hero. We need more people like him.
the angel who outted the devil and demons amongst us.
NO!! An Angel!
UPDATE:
About this supposed incident taken from the mail online on22.08.2024:
The prosecution had argued that consultant Dr Ravi Jayaram had found Letby standing over Baby K's crib on February 17, 2016 at around 3.50am. He noticed that the baby's condition was rapidly deteriorating and that the vital breathing tube had been dislodged. According to the prosecution, door-swipe data proved that the nurse designated to care for the baby had left the unit at 3.47am. However, after the data was amended for the retrial, it showed the nurse had returned within moments. This meant that Letby was not alone at the time the prosecution originally argued she was.
Dr Jayaram is just so genuine. You can see pain is etched all over his face. May the parents of those defenceless little babies somehow find peace and my utter respect to the Dr.
This poor man! He must have felt a lot of uncertainty about his own ability as a doctor seeing these babies die. Thank you for putting your job on the line to bring her to justice
But he didn’t 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ only now is he speaking out with intent, he was told to be quiet and apologise, and he did.
@@therevolutioniscoming1569 - actually if you read the timelines, after being made to apologise, he did continue his private investigation along with the other concerned consultants. You have to remember that there was no definite evidence at that time so there will have been a lot of uncertainty and what the executives were saying wasn't without merit i.e. all that the doctors had at that time was circumstantial so it's understandable that they didn't go all out, guns blazing.
@@artspoonerespecially after being threatened by management with his livelihood. Shame on them.
The hospital management is just as responsible as the killer nurse, as they let it happen, dismissing the repeated concerns raised. It is professional negligence and they must taken to the court.
Excerpt from daily telegraph online 14.09.2014
Dr Jayaram said the “only concern raised about Lucy was she had been exposed to so many deaths” and there was a feeling that “it might be traumatic for her”.
When asked if he heard any suggestion that Lucy had been deliberately harming babies, Dr Jayaram said there was “no objective evidence to suggest that at all”.
He added: “The only association was Lucy’s presence on the unit at the time. Anything else is speculation.”
wrong year my dear. DId you fake the date as part of a fake story? It is 2024, not 2014.
As an NHS doctor, I can say that nurses and doctors (and other healthcare staff, honestly) are not taken seriously when whistle blowing or raising concerns. Like, EVER. In fact, we are often BLAMED for it. A management staff once told me perhaps I need to find a new career since I was being sexually and racially harassed by another doctor.
How disgusting of that attitude!
Wtf 😮
Go to all the media, make a big fuss, sue them. They must not get away with that!!!
Record it and post it online
This is sickening to hear 😢
My heart goes out to this gentleman. He defines the profession, to cause no harm, and seeing his emotions at the end only further shows his compassion and empathy which should exemplify every healthcare professional.
the angel who outted the devil and demons amongst us.
Well done Sir for talking out. So basically, the hospital authorities thought they were above the law by not allowing the police to be involved.......they are as much to blame.
This is why you go straight to the police not your boss. Bosses want to cover up controversy rather then face it.
@@NineSeptims The police would ask why you haven’t done your due diligence via internal review. They would be inclined not to waste resources if the dept has not found anything worrying. You would now be a liability to your hospital after that, nobody likes a tattletale..and good luck getting hired again.
The only one to blame
That dr said the same thing I said too, that this nurse should not have been left along with those baby that a second nurse should have been with her , but hospital didn’t listen
@@msmiami212 They had the evidence. Stop trolling.
@@NineSeptimspolice are the same
Wow. I’m sorry these doctors were treated so poorly. My heart breaks for them, the families and the babies. 💔😢
Dr Ravi Jayaram is a hero. There are many consultants in the NHS who won't speak out about concerns about care. Too many concerned about their positions and pensions And for that we have to blame successive UK governments, NHS management imposition and red tape robbing doctors and staff of a free voice.
The hospital management team needs to take full responsibility for this it's unforgivable
The hospital management team needs to be forced to write an apology letter to the doctors. Then fired.
@@eeroala5132not only that! They deserve lengthy jail time to be made an example of to other bosses like them. This behavious is very common amongst these NHS bosses. It needs to be dealt with harshly to reduce the chances if it happening again!
@@eeroala5132 They should serve sentences. People have been locked up for less in Health and Safety.
@@eeroala5132sued at least to smithereens
So many more people need to be held accountable in this horrific story
Nobody else apart from this woman will be held accountable.
That inquiry is not even going to be Public Inquiry.
They are trying to make as little noise as possible about it.
Same was with grooming gangs
Watching this after the article today in New Yorker shedding a new light on the case and projecting doubts on her involvement
We need more people like Dr Ravi. The management needs to be charged too.
This is epidemic in the NHS in the trust I work have this mentality.
Absolutely.
I totally agree perverting the course of justice. Everyone of those in charge should also be fired
What are you going to charge them with? What evidence do you have?
@@julielumsden5184Do you know the definition of ‘perverting the course of justice’? Or do you just spout ignorant nonsense?
The very fact that hospital admin didn't believe a doctor who had no reason to accuse a nurse is beyond understanding. I agree that all who ignored the warnings and aggressively reprimanded the doctors should also be charged. My god this woman is pure evil and so were the administrators. They only cared about money and likely their race.
It might have been racism because how can they not listen to a doctor about a nurse?!! My god.
But, on the other hand. You can see how it might look like 2 doctors arguing that, it couldn’t possibly be their fault. Maybe trying to find a scape goat… it could look that way from the outside. Ultimately, I think this issue highlights that there is a hierarchy in decision making that super-cedes clinical acumen and experience, which unfortunately has proved gravely detrimental
@@michaelweeks5858but when she was removed from the ward deaths and collaspes stopped is that not a very big clue that they were right?
@michaelweeks5858 when babies are dying every possible theory must be investigated and to side against the doctors without any investigation is not a normal thing.
@@fartunyep4501a better question is, if the doctor had been white and the nurse had been brown, would the managers have acted the same way?
This dr is very brave. He had been treated terribly by management.
Thank you Dr.Ravi for protecting the babies.. Good on him for standing up for what is right..
Dr Ravi Jayaram was my grandsons Dr and has a excellent physician. Our grandson born with Cerebral Palsy in the Countess of Chester and Ravi followed his progress up to 16 years old thankfully this evil woman wasn't at the hospital at the time of his birth because I feel he would have been a target.
I wonder why the former Chief Executive and Medical Director would side with Lucie Letby, ignore complaints from this Consultant, blindly defend Lucie, then say he is a bully and he should apologise to Lucie? This question is rhetorical. We all know what was at play here! The Chief Executive and Medical Director should never get jobs in the NHS again! They are also to blame for the deaths and harm to 17 defenseless babies - so much for the protecting the Trust's reputation.
It wasnt just this consultant - by the end of this saga no less than SEVEN paediatricians raised concerns!
Those Chief Exec and Medical Director and nursing managers usually move to other hospitals and carry on working as if nothing ever happened.
It's sadly part of a culture that permeates so many professions and institutions. Just look at the state of the metropolitan police. The first instinct of these people is to put the organisation's reputation above anything else.
@@ayeaye1363exactly- that shouldn't be allowed and they should be stuck off the career for good as they are not competent
@@ayeaye1363 I think this one is retiring this month!!!
This Dr. is hiding something,He looks guilty to me,Was he in some way to blame?
I'm not surprised managers ignored these glaring concerns by experienced doctors. Nhs management is riddled with toxic anti doctor culture and any form of whistleblowing is severely punished. Dr Chris Day for example is still being dragged through the court for flagging up major safety concerns at his department. It's sickening.
and they want us in the US to let the government take over our healthcare system.
It's incomprehensible to me how anyone could treat an infant in such a way. My deepest sympathy goes to the parents and families of the babies.
Demon possessed souls.
Agents of Satan in Nurse Uniform.
That's exactly why the management did not believe the Dr's. Because it was incomprehensible.
Nazi Germany had no problem. They were/are all normal people. How many people rejoice when they hear of migrants and children drowning in the channel
Parents and families may consider helping to save more babies through having a collective public demand or pressure for the case to be thoroughly investigated including a mental health check as well as back ground check to childhood level of the nurse.
@@yuliaimmajati They do have to have a DBS check
I honestly can't believe how useless this management were. Well done to this doctor and his colleagues for fulfilling their safeguarding duties and doing something. Its very very hard to make an allegation against a colleague and this took courage. I hope the way it was handled doesn't deter other professionals from doing the right thing in the future.
*Placing 500 Quid on the table: Hospital managers was probably fucxing Lucy Letby* 😏😏😏
They’re not useless, they are criminals
The doctors let this go on for quite a while too. I think there's more than meets the eye in this case. I wonder if it isn't just a shitty hospital all around.
@@California265 accomplices
@@herrguru4264I’ve been saying the exact same thing
I’m sorry but, if babies were being murdexxxx around me, I would report it immediately to the police once, I realised the organisation is ignoring/covering up.
This man deserves a medal and its disgusting how the NHS just dismissed such serious issues! This whole case makes me sick
A medal for not reporting babies being murdered to police?
@@solomansoundsHe’s no coward
@@sweetestaphrodite He is a coward.. he put his job over the well being of infants. He should have gone to the police at the first signs of some serious wrongdoings, and ignored his superiors.
@@Todd_Manus ain’t he responsible for her being found out?
no coward at all, at least he did something@@Todd_Manus
Even IF those consultants were overly cautious about any foul behaviour, the hospital had a duty of care to start a thorough investigation at the first alarm. How disgraceful to have exposed those doctors to such alarming and stressful reactions from the administrators. For shame on them. Dr Ravi you are a hero.
THANK YOU Dr. Jayaram . Thank you for fight ing for the Babies.
she's more than likely innocent, if you don't think the establishment would stitch somebody up to save its reputation just remember the post office scandal.
What leads you to believe that she's more likely innocent than guilty?
Please go watch the 4 hour video footage of the inquiry and come back and comment with knowledge of the trial.
It's on- crime scene to courtroom - youtube channel.
People really need to do their research .
Thank you Dr.Ravi for protecting the babies.
My baby was born prematurely, thank God we never came across this monster 🙏 God bless this doctor, real hero ❤
Dr Jayaram has a special quality that sets him apart: Integrity. Well done Dr for fighting for the lives of children, despite the opposing management who had self-interest as their priority. We need more doctors like him and less management like them. I hope those managers pay a heavy price for their actions.
4:04 Interesting that Jayaram managed to "catch a killer", when the person who was going to take the blame (were the cause of deaths of these babies decided to be due to the generally poor management in this unit) was himself.
This is so, so sad. It’s also a great reminder of how poorly the management is within the NHS. My uncles been a gynaecologist in the NHS for 25 years and he said it’s a disgrace how poorly it’s run. The management within hospitals don’t want to make large scale needed changes because it reflects badly on them. People blame the lack of money but it’s far more than that.
Hospital mangers are always hiding their staffs mistakes all the time for saving their reputation.
6:52 6:59 7:03
😅 7:17 7:17 7:19 😅😅😅
Same with every department. Managers that are dead wood can’t be gotten rid of. So they just resist any change
@@93SA30 8:10, 9:10, 10:10 😂