A BLOWN TURBO on my Porsche 911...now what?!
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No sound in right speaker
Works fine on mine. Strange
Defo no sound
Definitely no sound…
Drain the cooling system and remove the turbo for a classic air-cooled 911!
On it!!!!
Thanks for posting, I just noticed a similar sound on startup on my 992 yesterday.Turned the car off and it hasn’t come back. Will use your video to show dealer when I take it in.
Glad they covered the repair for you!
Hope it goes well for you!
Love the work my friend, keep it up!
Thanks!
Excited for you , i cannot wait to see you upgrade your turbos.
Thanks same here!
Great videos and content, keep them coming. Honestly, I’m surprised they warrantied the turbo based on your mods and tune. When I had a Mustang GT, i put a Roush tune on it through a Ford Dealer, just to avoid having warranty issues on a new Coyote engine if anything went wrong. I love your Carrera T, and part of me has wanted one for some time, but the turbos and their potential reliability gives me pause. I’ll stick with my 997.2 C2S for now, to give these 992’s some more time to prove their reliability. Really appreciate you sharing your mods and journey on this beautiful car, all of us Porsche fanatics learn from what you’ve done and wait to see what’s next! Cheers 🍻
Thanks! Yes this was deemed as not related to the tune
Same thing happened to my tunned I8. I was out of warranty because of mileage. It cost me about 6k, very good advice to give about how to treat your service advisor. nice car!
Need to treat them well :)
Great content as always! Upgraded turbos are going to be a must.
GTS models has minimal turbo lag even from factory so I’m sure you’ll love it.
Can’t wait!!!
Hi Tommy, you actually inspired me to look into a 991 T and what can I say. I got myself one earlier this year, in white, manual. Also extended the Porsche Approved on the car, but still good to know what can go wrong and WHERE to look after certain jobs have been done. Thanks for sharing your experience.
You got it! Congrats on the T!
I love your car. I’m waiting for my 911 T, at the end of March 2024. waiting is so painful. 😊But will be worth it. What wheels do you have on the car? I want to say those are the 911 S standard wheels and the color is hyper silver? Sits just right! I got the Genitan Blue but don’t care for the titanium gray.
For someone out of warranty like myself, I wonder if the broken turbo could have been easily rebuilt by a independent. Might have been much cheaper that replacing it
Most likely!
I had the same problem with my 2018 991 T in the UK. Strange it is always the right side Turbo. I did suggest to the service manager, they were faultyTurbo’s as it was always the right side that were failing according to social media. Luckily mine was fixed under warranty.
Thanks for the video, I’ll be looking out for your next one!👍
Wow I didn’t know this was that common!
Great video Tommy..with the GTS turbos on the APR 93 file, you should be in the high 6s for 60-130 as long as you get perfect shifts!!
Thanks! Yes can’t wait!
Just amazing, just amazing 👌.
Thanks!!
Happy things worked out with the CPO Tommy! Curious if you have feedback on what went wrong inside the turbo? Bearing failure? Did anything point to the additional boost being the problem? Cant wait to see the GTS turbo progress and results!
apparently a loose waste gate flapper.
Do you think the increase in power via the tune was responsible for the blown turbo? Good video
Glad it worked out, did you flash the OEM tune back before taking it in?
Nope. Went with APR loaded. No issue
Tommy, look into getting upgraded diverter valves. Wondering if that contributed to that failing turbo. It can happen. It’s a mod I’m looking to do next spring.
Will do!! Good idea
So frustrating to see these things from a Porsche Zentrum, oh dear, should never happen and I've been there, these things are getting me nuts! One day, they even forgot to put back the frunk trim (considering the size of the thing, omg). Another time it was the rear brake cooling air duct missing on one side, and so on lol. The last part of the video when you're driving, it's literally me in my 991.2 4S (also manual gearbox)! I can listen to this all day long, and I am full stock. Almost 50 and I still feel like a child in this machine😂
This car definitely puts a smile on my face when I drive !
new comment on an old video, only just coming across the T videos, what a car! and amazing spec. I did notice a slight difference in noise from your vid on picking this car up from the rear right when the car was being backed out of the garage. It did sound unsual, and then finding this video now and hearing the sound that its making now the turbo must have been failing for some time
Funny you mention that but I agree it’s been failing for a while! I went back to the old video and agree
@@TommyLGarage yeah it's unfortunate but it happens and very cool Porsche covered it! I was going to say something on that original video but thought no need to scare someone over what I think isn't normal! But then saw this video 😅. Awesome car though I think they'll do good in value too in the long run
At 250 an hour, they should do it right! And, have them change the other turbo, as it is coming! Thank you for your videos!
Haha let’s hope not
really good news. now you can upgrade to bigger turbos. gotta look at the bright side
Yes !!
I did that on my 991.2 base before I moved to 992. I was running gts turbos, intercooler upgrade, plenum, etc. With the apr tune. You'll be at 600hp.
Any feedback on how it felt ?
@TommyLGarage it felt very strong...I too went from the initial APR tune on the base turbos. I can say after the mods, I was able to run with a McLaren 650LT Spider.
@@TommyLGarage Tommy, just know that you will be limited to abou 520 ft lb of torque to the wheels. I have a .2 T manual and just installed my gts turbos. Worthy upgrade nonetheless.
@@theandretomlinsonis this because of the manual transmission? I have a stg 1 apr tune with the slightly lower peak torque option to promote clutch life. I don’t think the gts turbos are worth the cost of upgrade because of the wear on the clutch and cost of replacement, and there doesn’t seem to be an aftermarket option for these vehicles.
My salesperson stated these motors can handle 500 hp, but anymore could affect reliability. For what it’s worth…@@obi-wankenobi7160
How does the 911 T compare to your previous BMW M3 in terms of acceleration? Comparable?
It it more planted given better traction due to the engine being in the back. Also it turns like it’s on rails.
All dealership work sucks, no matter what the brand. The flat rate pay system is to blame, the rush through everything to make as many hours as the can in a day.
True
Hi, I had the same replacement done on my T in germany. Reason being that the wastegate link was stuck due to rust from overwintering in the garage. No approved guarantee, the dealer wanted to charge 5k€ for replacement although the turbo was ok otherwise and they would keep the old turbo (!). I declined and then bought a used one with low mileage and had it checked by a turbo specialist, used it for replacement and refurbished the old one with new original parts by the specialist. Cost me around 1.7k€ in total and I have a refurbished turbo in oem new condition on the shelve that could be sold anytime for around 1k€. You can get the same turbo from oem manufacturer (BorgWarner) brand new through turbo dealers for a 1/3rd of the price btw, and you can keep the old turbo for refurbishment.
That, of course, does not apply if the repair is on the dealer/Porsche.
Regarding the performance upgrade with GTS turbos, I mounted Michelin Cup 2 and changed camber and toe to manthey racing spec. Has a larger effect on performance then added hp, at least on the nordschleife.
Thanks for your videos!
Wow that’s unfortunate about the dealer but good outcome overall!
Common problem on 991.2 sadly. Thankfully much rarer on 992 so far. Is that exhaust stock or aftermarket? sounds great
Is it really common? Hhmm didn’t know that.
Exhaust is SOUL headers and cats.
Hey Tommy, what failed on the Turbo , and any idea what caused its failure ?
Flappy wastegate
Totally agree with you! Totally unacceptable from a Porsche dealer! You should only expect perfection from a dealer with the BS hourly rate they charge. DYI always best option f it can be done! Enjoy your carrera t👍🏼 I have a euro spec lowered 997.2 with upgraded mufflers with a six speed and truly in love with my car! IMHO, your carrera t is the best of newer models for feel and drive by bless you sole purpose is tracking then gt’s and turbo turbo is appropriate 💪🏼
I do need a gt3 in my life :)
I use Porsche Englewood, they are very good
I bought my 992 911TT from them. Great experience.
Good to know!!
was your warranty voided which is why you’re changing to GTS turbos? Was the cause of turbo failure due to spinning the turbos beyond their factory spec?
Warranty was not voided. But I want more power :)
Turbos are a know weak point on the 991.2 . It started to blow smoke on start up and occassionally at higher revs. Luckily I had Porsche warranty and they replaced both turbos and the oil supply to turbos as well. Feels like a new car . I would not have a Porsche without warranty
That’s disappointing. I never knew this was the case
at some dealer service rates, they should be polishing bolts before reinstalling. missing them entirely is inexcusable.
I agree. What’s your dealer experience been like?
The shotty work is ridiculous! Yes that's why we do our own work. Good for you. And I also am in the middle of a CPO repair (new motor) with Ford. They have approved the warranty replacement.
Hope it goes well!
Took one of my BMW’s to the dealer for a simple repair, once they started turning screws underneath I all of a sudden I had a new oil leak, rattles, water pump issues as oil leaking on it, etc…
Bottom line is I burned my relationship with my service provider and blew a ton of cash
I should’ve sent him a Christmas card
If you’re ever at Porsche of Fairfield again hit me up. I’ll take you out to lunch / dinner and show you my TLG mud flaps on my BMW M2 Comp ✌️
Christmas cards make wonders! Haha
What if the tune was in fact the problem, to much increase of power weakling and blowing the one side of the turbo. I remember on my M3 site, turbos being blown all the time with increase in power delivery tunes. They would remove the tune go back to the dealership and be on the hook In warranty. Best advise, if you want to play, fine but be ready to pay and not recommend during the warranty.
Nope. These turbos can handle it. Plenty of Ts run like this
@@TommyLGarage they can handle it for sure but for sure getting more boost will reduce the life of the turbos. Not that that is what caused this, these turbos should last longer but if you are asking more from a turbo it makes sense that its life will be shorter.
I had same problem happen with no tune…
My business Partner had a Cobb tune on his Macan Turbo and it blew a turbo and he got under warranty as well. These Porsche turbos are weak though. They seem to be a big fault point when tuned
Interesting.
Upgrade to GTS turbos?
Soon!
APR stage 1 stock base turbos vs APR stage 1 stock GTS turbos will be a cool comparo
Soon!
Sounds like you trust your dealer, but any chance this could have been the diverter valve rather than the turbo itself?
No it was on the back end. Sounded metallic
So frustrating to see that an AD let these small things get out of the dealership service center without being captured on QA/QC before it was released.
Yup! It then again - a free repair
Its a good thing these techs do not work on aircraft, although I have seen my share of that as well.
I had the same thing happen to my 2017 991.2. The wastegate failed and it sounded just like yours. And my car was NOT tuned. I got a quote for $18K from the dealer since they recommended replacing both turbos. No warranty like you! I ended up going to a very well known reputable indy Porsche shop. I had them replace both turbos with new GTS ones and put a Cobb engine and PDK tune for much less than the dealer was going to charge me. I wonder if the turbos are going to be the 991.2’s weak point like IMS, bore scoring, etc in prior generations…
Wow I got lucky!! Hopefully my future gts turbos will work well :)
the only reason i sold my 3.0 gts was being terrified of a turbo bill - I miss it a lot 😅
I suppose it’s the price we need to be prepared to pay
GTS turbo same turbo as S?
No. Slightly bigger
Manual 💛
Yes!!
Great videos! Don’t know how you can definitely say the tune did not cause the blown turbo though.
Apparently this is a common problem on 991.2
Thanks for reply. Any plans to get a body kit or wing for the 991.2? I’m thinking about doing same.
@@edwardwu9108 unfortunately not many wing options :(
Yea, 991.2 needs a wing that won’t block the vents to the intercoolers underneath the stock active spoiler. Seems the techart wing is most popular. Maybe you can use the base of the techart wing and build a custom wing on top. 😅
So what exactly went wrong on the old turbo? Did you get it back?
It was a faulty waste gate flapper
@@TommyLGarage something easily fixable out of warranty, would make for a great video. Did you get the old one back?
@@monastra7 did not unfortunately
apr ? no link description ?
Kies.com did it
Youre lucky. I would not have covered repairs under warranty after a remapping !
I suppose so!
I hate it when they miss the screws. What elese did they miss!! Without a lift you wouldnt see it. I always ring them if i spot stuff. The mechs need reminding to do their job right. Also, if i feel something is wrong with an expensive part. I pass the car on back to the dealer and buy again if not under warrenty.
It’s very disappointing
Thank you for this video. I learned a 1 turbo replaced is 8K and you need an extended warranty.
Hah good point. Very good listening :)
This is one reason why they depreciate after the warranty period is over.
Yea that’s crazy those missing screws would have driven me crazy but I’m no where near as thorough as you so I would have never known about them lol also coming from an owner of a way lesser luxury brand of car I had no idea tipping your service advisor was a thing !!! Is this only expected in the inner luxury car brands or lower as well !!! ????
Insane I know!
Are all your videos recorded in mono?
Not sure what happened.
But next video will be recorded in mime
Do you have a tube?
Many tubes !
I will stick with my 991.1S naturally aspirated boxer! 400HP, great sound and most importantly NO TURBOS!
True!!!
I have the same noise coming from my 991 turbo s. I have two year cpo left. Tommy can you please recommend service rep at Paul Miller. Thank you.
Dwight was my guy
@@TommyLGarage Dwight Jr. is the best. Thank you - Omar Aftab Baig
Wait. You tip your service advisor? Is this common? Seems crazy to me. Glad it worked out.
Definitely.
@@TommyLGarageI have NEVER heard of tipping the SA! How much do you tip? You just give them cash? Is this just you or do you think this commonplace at Porsche Dealers??
@@s.c.1972 I tip all my SAs. No matter the brand.
@@TommyLGarage 20%?
@@s.c.1972 depends on severity
The one time I ever took my car to the dealership. They gave me my car back with the rear dual mufflers hanging lower than the bumper. Instead of in the factory cut outs in the rear bumper. I had to help them to align the exhaust to get the pipes where they belong. First and last time
That’s insane!
@@TommyLGarage that's American dealerships I was a automotive tech in the 80s to early 90s. Back then you didn't swap a part out you had to rebuild it. Most of these techs today can't fix or diagnosis a blow fuse without a scan tool. I they didn't have a computer for alignment of mufflers and tail pipes. Lol
Why not pure turbos instead of the GTS ones?
Manual clutch won’t hold it
I hadn’t considered that. I suppose you could always tune around it (I’m assuming too much low down torque).
Whats the dofference between tipping and bribery? So for my logic the tune probably blown turbo and only because you tip the warrantyworker they didnt refuse to pay for it and did it from the warranty. Sorry but for me its not ethically ok in both ways (advertising kies tuning and „tipping” the worker at service).
Tipping means it makes you feel better about strangers handling your car.
Oj dawno Cie nie ogladalem🤔
No w końcu!! Zastanawiałem się gdzie byłeś!
@@TommyLGarage Kurcze szkoda ze tak dalejo mieszkasz . Troche bym Ci poopowiadal . Ale tak ogolnie to u mnie wszystko super
Tipping in the USA is of a different level than where I live in Europe. Especially in restaurants, where staff earns low wages. Tips are a part of their salary, directly paid by the clients…. Tipping a service-manager of a high-end brand like Porsche would be considered outrageous and a kind of bribery in my country. To each their own, as one says. Glad your car was fixed without any cost for you.
This isn’t typical. I’ve never tipped a service rep at any dealership including Porsche. Only tipping that is standard here is in restaurants as far as I’m concerned.
Tipping has gotten out of hand in the US. Things that never even remotely got tipped for, people are tipping. However, I find his comments on the tune being reputable so the dealer didn’t blame it for the turbo failure somewhat fishy. In reading lots of other relevant dealership experiences, the decision to replace an engine part is not up to the service advisor or even the dealership in most cases, it’s up to corporate. Typically if they even suspect a tune, they will deny a claim. Not sure if this passes the sniff test or if somehow Mr tlg flew under the radar. I suspect there is some incentive on his behalf that he not blame a tune for the failure. Obviously I can’t provide that, but there’s a lot of information indicating a typical customer would have had to pay the $9k turbo replacement. Corporate will also flag the car as being tuned in case other claims come up.
This 100%. I think he just got lucky. A tune especially because it changes so many parameters on a car and is KNOWN to wear out parts faster. Has nothing to do with his Xmas card and $50 starbucks gift card or whatever he gave the SA. It's completely up to the dealership. Based on the shoddy work by the tech, he didn't seem too knowleadable so perhaps he didn't realize there was a tune. Lucky for him but I'd advise anyone to think very carefully about modifying a warrantied car. In my case I checked with my SA before upgrading my exhaust on my 997 turbo years ago to make sure it wouldn't void my warranty I had at the time. He hadn't seen claims denied for that but HAD for tunes. That's all I needed to hear. @@kpiskin
At my dealer (Japan brand) I as the head advisor make pretty much all warranty decisions. So making me happy = you happy. But really I just do the right thing and try and favor the customer.
@@j.3854 what’s an appropriate tip for service advisors? This is a new concept for me. I didn’t realize they were expecting tips.
Please upgrade your turbos, intercooler and go straight to Stage 3! xD I have'nt watched the full video yet.
Haha they’s the plan
What a joke some of these dealers are. Unbelievable. As you say, not huge issues, but they should be doing better work than that at the prices charged.
Yup!
@@TommyLGarage The things you pointed out would bother me too. It’s a very nice car you have there so, you know, having it put together properly make a bit of sense ;-o
Very disappointing to hear about the shotty dealership work. Especially at a Porsche dealership!
Yup!!
@@TommyLGarageI only say this because my 992.1 comes first week of January and I’ll already skittish to let them get in it!
I’ve read tons of forum posts, watched countless car videos, and this is the very first time… that I’ve ever heard of anyone tipping a service advisor!
What’s the largest dollar amount you’ve ever tipped a service advisor? Thanks in advance!
$100 if it’s a big job
@@TommyLGarage Aha, thanks!
right after doing the tune, isn't it..
Not related
Should have kept the 981 haha
I miss it sometimes
Wait, you tip the service guy? How much? Is this normal?
Depends on severity but yes always
Wow crazy! Will remember when I get my 911 lol. Thanks for the response Tommy@@TommyLGarage
Honda is charging the same price for a turbo replace. I need a Porsche
Time to make the switch!!!
Don't rely on the dealer; I had repairs done on mine under CPO and had to fix most of it myself. Fortunately, my background as a mechanic came in handy.
I do most of my work too. Saves $$
Car guy logic: missing bolts and a seeping seal….lets do a completely new setup
And a garage extension!
I’m sure the mechanics are paid flat rate, and Porsche doesn’t give them shit on time to replace that turbo under warranty so they’re in a hurry and forgot/misplaced, hopefully it wasn’t from the factory like that, same things I dealt with at Harley half ass warranty work lol
Good point
this messed up how come premium brand not even doing proper pre check
I know!!
This is why I prefer an N/A engine.
Me too :(
…this is the reason WHY I always hesitate to go to the dealer for any warranty related work even though I have extended factory warranty and also going to Indy shops for any aftermarket work or installs.
Yup!!!
Lovely video but such a shame no sound on the right ear. Couldn’t finish the video and had to stop at 1:23.
Sorry for your struggles
So you had a defective turbo that the extra power of the tune helped end its life. Lucky the dealership let you slid with a tuned car.
That must have been it!
@@TommyLGarage very helpful to have it fail during the warranty extension. Can’t believe you had the balls to take it in with the tune? Or did you convert back to stock and looked confused?
This is false information. The tune didn’t wear out the turbo. Faulty wastegates end turbo lives.
I suspect oil problems caused the failure.
Can you elaborate ?
That's why I never tuned my 997 turbo. People think you're getting a free lunch. You'll potentially wear our or fail parts sooner.
Very well said
I would never get this type of car unless an issue like this would be as normal as buying washer fluid. That's when I feel that someone can properly afford it.
Well..luckily I didn’t pay for it
@@TommyLGarage When I was in my early 20's I bought a brand new Pontiac Bonneville SSEi. there were 2 times that the supercharger had to be fixed. What crap! I didn't know back then how american cars are such crap, but I do now and wont buy them any more. Glad you didn't have to pay! Usually they'd find any excuse to get off the hook. It's best to keep a Porsche buyer happy, they'll likely buy another in the future and be a good ambassador of the brand to their friends.
You are very lucky not sure how it got approved, head office would normally require an assessment of the repairs and if software is detected. Null and void. The diagnosis of the car is sent to head office in Germany. That’s how BMW works, even Volkswagen has the same process.
Definitely got lucky
As for the missing fasteners (and who knows what else), there is a reason why I do all my own maintenance and repairs right up to the aircraft level that I then flew. At 3:15, no matter how much you tighten that fastener, it does not take care of an oil leak as there are two O-rings on that fitting that create the seal. And shipping at $475, really? Its not like the dealer ordered the parts from Germany, Porsche NA did and it is their business to have parts in stock. And $1366.20 in labor is at least 5 hours and you can do a lot in 5 hours. I am not there to see it but from the video, why would they need to remove the bumper to replace a turbo that is out in the open? As for the $8830.25, and that is only for one side, there is a reason why I like my 991.1 GTS over a 991.2 GTS plus Normally Aspirated cars sound so much better and without the extra headaches.
I agree on the sound of an NA but the extra TT power is hard to ignore :)
@@TommyLGarage Well I am used to fast motorcycles that I kept stock for reliability. I tend to do the same with my cars and Porsches.
Yeah this annoys the hell out of me, huge chances that the dealer will do shoddy work. And you would think on a premium brand like Porsche you would get great work, their rate sure reflects that but nope. I had my M2 at the dealer for warranty work and I saw some ridiculous work, zip tieing stuff in the wrong place, missing parts and also never even solved the problem. The best is to find an indie (which is what everyone preaches) but a lot of indies are not great either, some are too busy, some don't care. So yeah the best is to do the work yourself but not everyone has a space or tools
So sad! Luckily I’m handy :)
That piss poor service would annoy the hell of me too! There is no reason for that shitty service, especially for how much they charge.
Yup!!!
Dealers ruin cars 😢
They want you to buy new!
Hope your dealers not watching to see you tip staff for preference treatment
Tipping is common practice
Tipping your service advisor?? Please don’t make this a thing. SA’s are already incentivized with a commission based on your repair order, their goal is to find as much as they can to repair already. They are on the dealers side. He wants to warranty your fix if he can get away with it, because it will get billed back to Porsche
They give me amazing loaners when I do
BUYS AN OVERPRICED CAR AND EXPECTS FIXING WILL BE REASONABLY PRICED. 🤷♂🤷♂
YES
The tune blew the turbo….totally
Not really
So... 100 do not tune your Porsche
Not really
on a completely serious note, I have an 18 base model I've been stongly considering tuning. Its not new territory for me. I've tuned everything from my old 93 TT rx7 to an Audi RS7. But this story really gives me concern given how small those turbos are and how quickly one failed after the APR tune. so while I was kinda kidding, I'd be very curious to hear your impression of whether the tune led to this failure. We'd have to agree the timing is concerning@@TommyLGarage
Looks like they did a very poor job
Definitely
what up with the shit turbos on the .2 is it only T models? Are they journal bearing? or faulty WG design? def go aftermarket turbo or send the turbos to us and have them modified (ceramic ballbearing) shouldn't be more than a grand in work! shop smarter not harder
If they fail I know who to contact !
@@TommyLGarage np ran into your vid - I think cause I'm shopping for a .2 gts lol. Anyway I don't understand this new logic behind Porsche "detuning products" with crappier turbos. They shouldn't be nickel and diming their customers.
Yikes a repair in an overpriced car will cost you an arm.
Definitely. Next car will be a Camry TRD Pro
@@TommyLGarage😂
Now junk it and go buy a real Porsche
I want a McLaren
Who’s the dealer who did the work in NJ?
Local to me
It was actually attributed to the tune 😅
Not really ;)
My left ear loves you
Haha
Explain better y u change ur car midlife crisis car bmw
Huh ?