Best first-generation-smokeless round has to be the perfect 6.5x55 Swedish from 1894. The rifles had a fast twist for high-BC 156-grain bullets right from the start, too. The trajectory and drift beat any of these, and with less recoil. The trendy 6.5 Creedmoor is just a ballistically-inferior (at least for those who know how to load the Swede properly) that doesn’t let you seat long bullets as far out and doesn’t feed as smoothly.
I have a 6.5 Swedish and I love it, now my buddy and I just got rifles in 6.5 Creed and I’m not noticing anything really good or bad but 6.5x55 just seems a bit better for range.
With all the high bc 6 and 6.5 bullets I thought it'd be cool to do a mosin build necking down the 54r. Turns out it's already been done. I forget the name of the cartridge but it was used for Olympics or something like that. Though I'm sure bc better nowadays and I think Lapua makes 54r brass. Still would be a cool and fun build.
Great video...not only was it highly amusing (yes I had a good laugh at the frank humour cos y'know, Strayla) but its was also very informative. That doesn't get to say which is THE cartridge to get out of those 3 cos some ammunition is easier to get than others in some places & other things but bloody interesting differences in the numbers. There's life in the old cartridges yet. Anyway, never shot an 8mm Mauser but have shot the others. All cool in their own way and yup, great video & it caused me to hit like & subscribe and no going to check out your other videos. Keep on Keeping On :-)
Love the milsurp stuff, great video. How did you find shooting the Mosin? Mine kicks more than my FN mauser 30.06 and 7rem mag, brute of a thing always brings a smile though. Good to see the Patreon stuff working🤙
It definitely kicks more than the other two, but that's mainly due to the stock design. The drop in the comb counter-levers off the shoulder which gives more barrel flip. Mosin triggers are complete aids too.
Nice to see this side by side. The 30-06 is ancient, not that the others aren't but it's a bubba round and common here in the us so it's used a lot for hunting. Were you comparing modern loading or war time loads? I know the old cordite rounds in 303 are monsters.
The .303, fastest action and 10 round capacity. 7.92x57 mauser smooth action. 7.62x54r very simple design if you don't have the sticky bolt syndrome. Tough choice between the three. As for the 30.06 Springfield, 5 round bolt action or a 8 round semi auto, PING! 😁
*All the ballistics test that were done regarding the JFK Assassination, showed that it was most likely a 22 Caliber round that struck JFK, specifically the 5.56x45mm, .223 round that was standard issue for the Secert Service at the time of the assassination, along with all the armed forces in America. The wound cavity and type of wound is consistent with 22 caliber, which again is the .223 & 5.56x45mm. The test even showed the difference between a 5.56 & 6.5 wound.*
With modern components the 30-06 owns all of these. It's an night and day difference. Here in the states the popularity of 30-06 has waned a good deal as the 6.5creedmoor has replaced it in popularity. The x57 mauser cartridges aren't very popular in the states now that surplus rifles and ammo has dried up.
Essentially, yes. But also no. The first smokeless smallbore military cartridge was the 8mm Lebel. There was a few other cartridges that took the science and made it better (and rimless) like the 6.5x54 mannlicher and 6.5x55 swede. The Germans then came out with 7mm Mauser, which they sold in their export guns; namely to Spain. The Americans, after fighting Spain in 1899, copied and improved on the 7mm Mauser and created the 30-06 (technically the 30-03 first, then 30-06). 8mm Mauser is just the 7mm necked up for German military use. The 303 Brit is its own beast, kind of drawing inspiration from the 8mm Lebel, however getting a lot of design cues from other British rimmed cartridges used for hunting at the time. 7.62x54R is again different, but draws many of its designs from the 8mm Lebel, however changed to feed from a single stack magazine.
@@fhckoutdoors its interesting how the designs started at the lebel and went around the world being changed and modified and still ended up so similar in numbers
It doesn't matter whether you allow your personal bias to get in the way of what the facts are. here in the good old USA. 30.06 fact 1 availability fact 2 custom loading fact 3 proven reliability accuracy fact 4 hunting bullets low 100 to over 200 grain with every bulistic type hunting tip you could ever want. Did i mention it has killed every larg predators in USA year after year with great success for over 100 years. [30.06] in the end, shoot what you like and enjoy yourself, be leathal, and shoot ethical. If you can't put an elk down with one shot at 700 yards, then don't take the shot. Get closer and be a better hunter. Learn the anatomy of your intended target. Choose the proper cartridge for the job, and the 30.06 will do what you ask. I have a british 303 i had a 7mm Mauser. 303 kicks like a 22 rifle and is smooth as butter. The 7 mm kicks like it wants you to notice it. The 30.06 kicks, too, but we are men, and we don't decide what we shoot because it bruises our shoulders or doesn't. If the reticle is smashing you in the face every time you fire, then i would say that there might be too much gun for ya. It doesn't make you a sissy not wanting a black eye every time you shoot. Everyone wants to be a sniper and say they took an animal from 1500 yards. Be smart and use appropriate ranges for your skill level. I love going home after a hunt and telling good stories over a few beers. After the few beers, it's time to haul the ice chests in full of butcherd elk from the truck. Thats when the stories become reality. Good video, friend. Keep on keeping on, i look forward to your next video
Best first-generation-smokeless round has to be the perfect 6.5x55 Swedish from 1894. The rifles had a fast twist for high-BC 156-grain bullets right from the start, too. The trajectory and drift beat any of these, and with less recoil.
The trendy 6.5 Creedmoor is just a ballistically-inferior (at least for those who know how to load the Swede properly) that doesn’t let you seat long bullets as far out and doesn’t feed as smoothly.
I have a 6.5 Swedish and I love it, now my buddy and I just got rifles in 6.5 Creed and I’m not noticing anything really good or bad but 6.5x55 just seems a bit better for range.
With all the high bc 6 and 6.5 bullets I thought it'd be cool to do a mosin build necking down the 54r. Turns out it's already been done. I forget the name of the cartridge but it was used for Olympics or something like that. Though I'm sure bc better nowadays and I think Lapua makes 54r brass. Still would be a cool and fun build.
Great video...not only was it highly amusing (yes I had a good laugh at the frank humour cos y'know, Strayla) but its was also very informative. That doesn't get to say which is THE cartridge to get out of those 3 cos some ammunition is easier to get than others in some places & other things but bloody interesting differences in the numbers.
There's life in the old cartridges yet.
Anyway, never shot an 8mm Mauser but have shot the others. All cool in their own way and yup, great video & it caused me to hit like & subscribe and no going to check out your other videos.
Keep on Keeping On :-)
Who the flock is going to notice a couple of inches in trajectory at 5-600 yards? With open sights?
Ten round DBM and stripper reloading and slicker action - .303 all day bro.
.303 for me.....they keep multiplying in my safe....
Love the milsurp stuff, great video. How did you find shooting the Mosin? Mine kicks more than my FN mauser 30.06 and 7rem mag, brute of a thing always brings a smile though. Good to see the Patreon stuff working🤙
It definitely kicks more than the other two, but that's mainly due to the stock design. The drop in the comb counter-levers off the shoulder which gives more barrel flip. Mosin triggers are complete aids too.
@@fhckoutdoorsYeah - that looked fun, but uncomfortable.
Of course the thirty aught six is best. It's 'Merican!!!
Thanks Mate and thanks Patreon Members
Being a gun guy myself your techno ballistics research is scientifically spot...🎯
Nice to see this side by side. The 30-06 is ancient, not that the others aren't but it's a bubba round and common here in the us so it's used a lot for hunting. Were you comparing modern loading or war time loads? I know the old cordite rounds in 303 are monsters.
Wartime loads.
Great clip.
The .303, fastest action and 10 round capacity. 7.92x57 mauser smooth action. 7.62x54r very simple design if you don't have the sticky bolt syndrome. Tough choice between the three. As for the 30.06 Springfield, 5 round bolt action or a 8 round semi auto, PING! 😁
but what about 6.5x52 carcano? was apparently good enough for JFK
I'm guessing you prefer that cartridge.
Nah, Oswald never shot JFK - it was a "joint" CIA effort with multiple shooters. Kill shot coming from a handgun fired by the driver.
I got a 7.35 carcano
*All the ballistics test that were done regarding the JFK Assassination, showed that it was most likely a 22 Caliber round that struck JFK, specifically the 5.56x45mm, .223 round that was standard issue for the Secert Service at the time of the assassination, along with all the armed forces in America. The wound cavity and type of wound is consistent with 22 caliber, which again is the .223 & 5.56x45mm. The test even showed the difference between a 5.56 & 6.5 wound.*
Talk about the 30-06
I have a 30-06 video in the works... just got to finish the rifle first.
With modern components the 30-06 owns all of these. It's an night and day difference. Here in the states the popularity of 30-06 has waned a good deal as the 6.5creedmoor has replaced it in popularity. The x57 mauser cartridges aren't very popular in the states now that surplus rifles and ammo has dried up.
Very interesting 🤔
Here in the us .. we can use different weights
Hahaha yes 3006 is. More powerful then all of those. I have them all of them
I like my 8mm, but you're flat wrong about 30.06..
You just are.
I dont like using the F word, but good info.
😂double based powder and .30-06 but ithought the video was about wounding
Good stuff, as always.
But the mic still badly needs work, mate. The right channel is faint and buzzy as fuck.
Not very good with a bolt
You know your way around a good bolt don't ya
So did they all just copy each others notes into their own style? They all look the same for all intents and purposes.
Essentially, yes. But also no. The first smokeless smallbore military cartridge was the 8mm Lebel. There was a few other cartridges that took the science and made it better (and rimless) like the 6.5x54 mannlicher and 6.5x55 swede. The Germans then came out with 7mm Mauser, which they sold in their export guns; namely to Spain. The Americans, after fighting Spain in 1899, copied and improved on the 7mm Mauser and created the 30-06 (technically the 30-03 first, then 30-06). 8mm Mauser is just the 7mm necked up for German military use. The 303 Brit is its own beast, kind of drawing inspiration from the 8mm Lebel, however getting a lot of design cues from other British rimmed cartridges used for hunting at the time. 7.62x54R is again different, but draws many of its designs from the 8mm Lebel, however changed to feed from a single stack magazine.
@@fhckoutdoors its interesting how the designs started at the lebel and went around the world being changed and modified and still ended up so similar in numbers
Your welcome haha fuck yes heaps better so good see some shooting
It doesn't matter whether you allow your personal bias to get in the way of what the facts are. here in the good old USA. 30.06 fact 1 availability fact 2 custom loading fact 3 proven reliability accuracy fact 4 hunting bullets low 100 to over 200 grain with every bulistic type hunting tip you could ever want. Did i mention it has killed every larg predators in USA year after year with great success for over 100 years. [30.06] in the end, shoot what you like and enjoy yourself, be leathal, and shoot ethical. If you can't put an elk down with one shot at 700 yards, then don't take the shot. Get closer and be a better hunter. Learn the anatomy of your intended target. Choose the proper cartridge for the job, and the 30.06 will do what you ask. I have a british 303 i had a 7mm Mauser. 303 kicks like a 22 rifle and is smooth as butter. The 7 mm kicks like it wants you to notice it. The 30.06 kicks, too, but we are men, and we don't decide what we shoot because it bruises our shoulders or doesn't. If the reticle is smashing you in the face every time you fire, then i would say that there might be too much gun for ya. It doesn't make you a sissy not wanting a black eye every time you shoot. Everyone wants to be a sniper and say they took an animal from 1500 yards. Be smart and use appropriate ranges for your skill level. I love going home after a hunt and telling good stories over a few beers. After the few beers, it's time to haul the ice chests in full of butcherd elk from the truck. Thats when the stories become reality. Good video, friend. Keep on keeping on, i look forward to your next video
30-06 beats them all
no it doesnt beat 7,92x57JS
No, no it doesn't
Blah, blah.. blah there all deadly. Be done with chatter
They're*