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Things Pilots Say On VATSIM That Are UNNECESSARY!

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
  • Flying on VATSIM means communicating well with pilots and air traffic control, but there are a things plenty of pilots say on Vatsim that they dont need to say at all!
    Thank you to these VATSIM ATC controllers for their help!
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  • @tryhardtrigg
    @tryhardtrigg ปีที่แล้ว +203

    From a pilot’s perspective, “with you” is often heard IRL as well. Honestly though, no one cares. It’s the same as the guy who says “good morning”. It doesn’t clog the airwaves and the only people who seem to take issue with it are flying sims… it’s very odd… I get where you’re coming from but it’s a non-issue really.

    • @aviation_nut
      @aviation_nut 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As a pilot IRL my CFI was extremely irritated when I said "with you" the first few lessons. I don't think it's the mortal sin it is in Vatsim, but there do seem to be RL pilots who hate that phrase.

    • @SEAAviator
      @SEAAviator 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Idk man irl, I, and other pilots (+ controllers) find it cringe and annoying to say “with you”. I was also taught to refrain from saying that

    • @marcgibbons3520
      @marcgibbons3520 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree, I have been a pilot since 1992... With you is very often used IRL.... I think it is a love hate thing for pilots.... Hey I am so old, in Canada we used to say "gear down three green" when we recieved landing clearance....

  • @borenkd
    @borenkd ปีที่แล้ว +135

    The only thing that is absolutely required on Vatsim is if you’re checking in as a JetBlue flight you must say JetBluuuuue.

    • @gt55115
      @gt55115 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No.

    • @RydersRacing
      @RydersRacing ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@gt55115 boy you must be fun at parties.

    • @sirrudy1233
      @sirrudy1233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      real

    • @sirrudy1233
      @sirrudy1233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RydersRacingi bet hes the life of the party!

    • @loabical
      @loabical หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RydersRacing he’s not even invited

  • @ifirekirby7498
    @ifirekirby7498 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Agree with everything in this video except the “with you” thing. I understand that it takes up extra time and that it’s heavily memed across ARTCC discords, but my argument in that case would be that there are other phrases commonly used by pilots and controllers are a “waste of time.”
    For example-
    “Checking in” - What’s the point of saying it if the controller already knows you’re doing it by talking on the frequency?
    “Hello,” “Bye bye,” “Good night,” “Good day,” “Cya” - These are all small pleasantries that take up time on the frequency and do not really add anything to the conversation in terms of action.
    I’m not saying we shouldn’t say the above phrases, I’m just pointing out that if we’re going to be THAT strict about frequency time then all these phrases are completely unnecessary.
    We should either not say any of them or be okay with minuscule exchanges. You can frequently find pilots saying “with you” in real life ATC interactions, and I still haven’t found out why it’s so demonized.

    • @Lengend-cu6ef
      @Lengend-cu6ef ปีที่แล้ว +7

      from my POV, saying with you is just completely unnecessary. Provides no value. Saying hello, good morning, good night and things like that are just courteous. they also provide realism and general human interactions

    • @TheFlyingATC
      @TheFlyingATC ปีที่แล้ว

      your introduction is always: your callsign, your flightlevel and maybe the next waypoint you are flying to. That's it :)

    • @kentbrookman
      @kentbrookman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, IRL you say Hello and Good Bye as a pleasantry - unless it’s extremely busy. Worse is stuff like „Have it on the fishfinder“ etc.

    • @theamazingspy3179
      @theamazingspy3179 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheFlyingATCif you’re doing a position report you should always try to use an airport/VOR/DME or anything of the sort, it’s much easier to find on their display than a waypoint, especially for center controllers

  • @NerdyRL
    @NerdyRL ปีที่แล้ว +53

    So glad you made this video. As a controller, I've noticed newer pilots think they're obligated to readback everything you say even things like "vector for approach...", just added stuff they don't need. So thank you!!!!!!

    • @softreset82
      @softreset82 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'm definitely guilty of the of the "vector" readback stuff

    • @aviationnerd196
      @aviationnerd196 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Nerdy is that you!!! Malcolm Foxtrot

    • @itzsyke70
      @itzsyke70 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      When i started vatsim my dad (pilot) used to sit next to me and help me if i didn’t understand and he said that if im in a busy airspace i should readback everything to make sure that the controller really knows that i understand, as long as i talk fast and at the right time

  • @JustSimplyDave
    @JustSimplyDave ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I would add “….requesting clearance, as filed”. No s___t, otherwise, you wouldn’t have filed it that way.

  • @BaconSarnie1701
    @BaconSarnie1701 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    NEWS FLASH *We arent real pilots* Most of us dont know this stuff, so get over yourself

    • @TheFootballManager11
      @TheFootballManager11 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly this, calm your tits. We get it your better than us.

    • @WinterTM
      @WinterTM ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also I've heard real pilots say "with you" plenty of times, As for the other stuff like responding to standby, that's just more of an embarassment than clogging frequencies.

    • @blind_aviator
      @blind_aviator ปีที่แล้ว +1

      NEWS FLASH vatsim used to be something for people who wanted realism, not the casual gamer type who doesn't care.

    • @BaconSarnie1701
      @BaconSarnie1701 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @blind_aviator where did I say I was a casual gamer? Or that anyone else was?
      Not everyone knows everything that's said or done in great detail, another one that needs to get over himself

    • @TheFootballManager11
      @TheFootballManager11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@blind_aviator yes we get it your better than all of us.

  • @el_quba
    @el_quba 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    As for the "with you" (the most controversial bit undoubtedly), maybe it's not necessary, but that doesn't mean you have to omit it. Sure, if you're flying into London at pretty much anytime, every syllable matters. But sometimes, when flying into some small airport in Eastern Europe with a lonely Tower you can be the only pilot on that frequency and those little personal touches matter. Sure, ICAO standard phraseology does not require any "human" phrases, but talking like robots in those less busy airspaces would be pretty depressing. So I always add some "hello", "good night", "thank you for your service" when situation allows, because we are talking with other humans after all.

  • @windsorspitfire
    @windsorspitfire ปีที่แล้ว +18

    You say that we should say "Hey checking in" instead of "with you". They mean the same thing and "with you" is 2 syllables shorter, and commonly recognized as a RL radio call. Like "good morning," it communicates that this is your first call on the freq and that your call is for the purpose of identifying yourself and letting ATC know you are on freq. Of course all of this could be omitted but then ATC might wonder why you made the call and if he missed a request.

    • @hochmaniac
      @hochmaniac  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I should have been more specific in saying you can just say, "Washington Center, Delta 452 flight level three three zero, 25 miles south of Norfolk"

    • @NerdyRL
      @NerdyRL ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Be careful, because in every vARTCC Discord, "with you" is memed so hard and secretly pilots get flamed all the time and joked with, because of the same explanation in this video. Takes up radio time during busy events, and why wouldn't you be with me if you're on my frequency?

    • @anthonyvallillo422
      @anthonyvallillo422 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      The vilification of “with you” is a relatively recent development. That phrase actually originated with professional pilots back in the 1960’s and has been, until recently (apparently) widely accepted. Another widely used and previously accepted phrase that appears to be no longer politically correct is “no joy” ( meaning no visual contact). This too has been replaced in the pilot- controller glossary by a phrase that takes twice as long to say, so go figure!

    • @jrtspace7945
      @jrtspace7945 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anthonyvallillo422 Not really until recently, its more of a flight sim, most(though i dont speak for all and i myself aint one) but most pilots and ATC controllers i have talked too dont mind 'with you' it as long as they dont say something like Good Morning, checking in, or with you in the same call, stuff like that its basically pick one and use it. But yeh no its still the same it hasnt really changed its mainly a sim thing, its widely accepted, sure there are plenty of people who say they dont like it but thats totally fine there are plenty of opinions.

  • @Flexflex744
    @Flexflex744 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    At one point I flew in Egypt and there was a event from Russia to Sharm el Sheikh going on. Literally 80% of all pilots asked which runway was in use and stuff like that. I don't know if that is a common thing in Russia, but apperently noone took a look at the ATIS.

    • @jrtspace7945
      @jrtspace7945 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeh thats because in real life if you mess up and your atis doesnt update then there can be a legit conflict that if your TCAS system dont work out can end up in killing people. So its a real legit thing everywhere. However i will say that overall you are supposed to check your ATIS too, its mainly for verification if its asked irl.

  • @kevo31415
    @kevo31415 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hi, as a controller I'd like to add just one thing: radio checks.
    I don't know exactly what's up with radio checks. Maybe for some people it's a checklist item or an SOP. If you must radio check, just to make sure your pilot client is working, that's fine. Please do not radio check every single time you go onto a new frequency.

    • @madduxxx2636
      @madduxxx2636 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes thats my biggest pet peeve as a controller, some new pilots like to do a radio check every time they switch a frequency. Like your mic wont randomly stop working... The only time I think its ok to to a radio check is your first initial frequency of the day. But even then, you still dont need to do a radio check, just call up for clearance and if nobody responds then you can do a radio check.

    • @marktheunknown1829
      @marktheunknown1829 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The only time I do a radio check is when I first connect, just to make sure everything is working, I don't want to request a clearance if nobody hears me.

    • @TheFlyingATC
      @TheFlyingATC ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@marktheunknown1829 asking for a clearance at a controlled airport "is" your radio check. Controllers will tell you, if they have any problems understanding you. A lot of people use the radio check to slide into a busy frequency. That's a sure way to get your controller angry :)

    • @el_quba
      @el_quba 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheFlyingATC ATC will tell you if your mic is not working, but not if your headphones aren't working. And requesting clearance indicates that you are ready to copy it. For me, it's better to do a quick radio check with Delivery/Ground/Tower then asking ATC to repeat the clearance because you discovered your setup is not working.

    • @CoffeeCala
      @CoffeeCala 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@el_qubajust listen to the frequency? If you hear anything, your headset is receiving audio 😅

  • @kingj1399
    @kingj1399 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    There’s also pilots that incorrectly read back takeoff clearances. IE: controller: Delta 123, wind 020 at 5, turn right heading 320, runway 30 cleared for takeoff. Pilot: runway 30 cleared for takeoff, Delta 123. Completely omitting the assigned heading (due to the type of SID). I hear this as a VATSIM controller and flying irl….

    • @Minecraftforadacaixa
      @Minecraftforadacaixa 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thats important, good point. You dont need to readback weather information, but it is really necessary to readback any instructions for takeoff

  • @-maxipoo-
    @-maxipoo- ปีที่แล้ว +4

    1:14 If applicable, you must readback RNAV. For example :
    ATC: "Airline 1234, winds 567 at 8, cleared for takeoff runway 9, RNAV WYPNT."
    Pilot: "Cleared for takeoff runway 9, RNAV WYPNT, Airline 1234."

    • @mini2flyerau
      @mini2flyerau 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      same with if you are specifically directed to fly the runway heading or as you mentioned a waypoint

  • @t.s.thomas02
    @t.s.thomas02 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A bigger problem than “with you”….people who think talking fast is the way to sound cool. In the real world, brevity has its place, like ORD ground. But going fast when there’s only 5 other airplanes at the airport is just asking to mess things up.

  • @pilottech9141
    @pilottech9141 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I knew "with you" would be on this! I always try to not say this, but it has become a habit at this point. Something about it, it just sounds like it fits😅

    • @hochmaniac
      @hochmaniac  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's said sooo often on frequency

    • @coasternut3091
      @coasternut3091 ปีที่แล้ว

      One of my flight instructors broke me of it. He said,"Do you want to sound like an amateur, because that's what you doing like". Flying with him improved my radio calls substantially.

  • @rydawg7629
    @rydawg7629 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "With you" is the absolute worst!!! I troll every single person I hear say this.

  • @awkwardsilence82
    @awkwardsilence82 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Informative video! Even though I don't do any of this stuff, I still find it fascinating. So keep it up, Hoch!

    • @hochmaniac
      @hochmaniac  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's nice to know who your real friends are, unlike those fake internet friends that my wife doesn't think are real friends!

  • @DanielDuhon
    @DanielDuhon หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “With you” is not such a big deal. Every single time I’ve listened to real life ATC, I hear pilots say that. All. The. Time. I’m tired of all these smart Alec’s trying to convince everyone that saying “with you” is wrong. It’s not technically wrong, it’s just not required. I agree on the other points though. But I will always complain about people complaining about me saying “with you” because it ain’t gonna stop.

  • @matt6548
    @matt6548 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    im with you on this one

  • @maxwellwynne-shepherd7852
    @maxwellwynne-shepherd7852 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Standby = Shut up until I speak to you

  • @peekingturtle8457
    @peekingturtle8457 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "With you" a waste of time? How about controllers saying, "Landing traffic parallel runway, wind blah blah blah, blah blah blah runway blah blah clear for takeoff"
    I told you I have the current info, I don't give a shit about another aircraft on a parallel runway because it's behind me and I don't have rear view mirrors.

  • @DenverDashCam
    @DenverDashCam 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well that's a familiar voice. Didn't expect Royal Caribbean Blog to have a flight sim channel.

  • @covid-192
    @covid-192 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve heard IRL pilots say with you, so I’m going to say it, plus it sounds very natural and (in my opinion) the proper thing to do.

  • @ArchNDA
    @ArchNDA ปีที่แล้ว +4

    THANK YOU!

  • @Drysen
    @Drysen ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Those dance moves at the start of the video was fire!

    • @hochmaniac
      @hochmaniac  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's the highlight of the video!

  • @dronepilot918
    @dronepilot918 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hey narrator…….it’s a flight simulator!!!!!!!

  • @kokoeteantigha389
    @kokoeteantigha389 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    How about "Goodbye" at the end of a transmission? Does that clog the airwave too?

    • @kevo31415
      @kevo31415 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "See-yuh!" or "Bye" or "Goodnight!" or "Thanks for the service!" when changing frequencies are totally fine; not like it clogs up space or anything.

    • @Markus-iu5is
      @Markus-iu5is ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I feel like we do it for showing respect to the controllers, at least I do. In real-life as well, goodbye etc is normal

    • @tin2001
      @tin2001 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@kevo31415
      What about "I love you" as I heard on a steamers VOD the other day... Is that acceptable 😂

    • @sirrudy1233
      @sirrudy1233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tin2001uhhhhhh…… 😂

  • @jonaskoch2314
    @jonaskoch2314 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a Vatsim controller I would like the departure frequency read back as well. Not only the runway. Else we have no idea if the pilot understood that you are to call departure by yourself l.

  • @stophammotime
    @stophammotime ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The other one is prepending the word "FULLY". Of course you're FULLY READY FOR TAKEOFF, otherwise you wouldn't be ready for takeoff at all.

    • @WinterTM
      @WinterTM ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And the fact people say "ready for takeoff" when "departure" should be used instead creating possible confusion

    • @jaimes7050
      @jaimes7050 ปีที่แล้ว

      are you flying in the US?

    • @peterrowney5180
      @peterrowney5180 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@WinterTM I believe AT controllers are not allowed to say the word "takeoff" unless it is "cleared for takeoff:, for the same reason you mentioned. To avoid confusion.

  • @nomadaviator8025
    @nomadaviator8025 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So glad I'm dancing on this video....🤪🤪

    • @hochmaniac
      @hochmaniac  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was that or your crash into MDPC. Feel like this was a good compromise

  • @BtcSimmer
    @BtcSimmer ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol this video true and funny I do say “with you” gotta work on that and guilty of some reading back but never a “roger standing by” or reading anymore then needed on a takeoff or landing clearance Vatsim is great thanks for video!

  • @jrtspace7945
    @jrtspace7945 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I cant lie, i like ur attitude and enthusiasm, but i will say i think with you is a little more harsh, truthfully its said irl too, and every pilot that ive talked too irl, and controller, have said that they are ok with it as long as it replaces a phrase like Good Morning or Checking in(though there may be plenty to disagree however everyone ive talked too(80+ so far pilots, and 30+ controllers) have said the general same thing. However because of your personality im gonna subscribe haha so great vid overall man!

  • @chadbentley4008
    @chadbentley4008 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am going to say with you and I am not sorry i wasted

  • @jakeledford4568
    @jakeledford4568 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Saying checking in VS with you is literally no different. If anything it’s longer😂

  • @filipk5744
    @filipk5744 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't agree about "with you" pilots in real life say that often and there is absolutly no issue with it. "With you" is basically letting the controler know "Hey, Im with you, Im entering your airspace". Saying it will take you less than one second - omg, big time waster :o...

  • @speedbrake22
    @speedbrake22 ปีที่แล้ว

    I said "with you" once and then I had to puke real hard because of how disgusted it made me feel of myself

  • @PikkaBite
    @PikkaBite ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm guilty of saying "with you", followed by flight level. On IVAO though!

    • @krish19208
      @krish19208 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      not a bad thing. its happens in real life honestly flight simmers make such a big deal about it for no reason, or maybe they think they're more professional than real life pilots 🤷‍♂

  • @Strons01
    @Strons01 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    VATSIM manual for IVAO pilots

  • @kacper9687
    @kacper9687 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "with you" is used to highlight it's my first call after handoff from other radar. It's just like: "Hey you can find me near your sector boundary" ;)

    • @blind_aviator
      @blind_aviator ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Considering the controller accepted the handoff he probably knew already. But I understand your point

    • @TheFlyingATC
      @TheFlyingATC ปีที่แล้ว

      your introduction is always: your callsign, your flightlevel and maybe the next waypoint you are flying to. That's it :)

    • @thecorporatepilotdad
      @thecorporatepilotdad ปีที่แล้ว

      “With you” should never be used. Say the same transmission without “with you” and the same goal is accomplished. “With you” and “checking in” are the equivalent of a person inappropriately using the word “like” 20 times in one short conversation.

  • @megawave79
    @megawave79 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    had someone on the rnav approach ask for the altimeter and other dumb stuff over mf... in real life when there's awos and other stuff avaliable.

  • @coasternut3091
    @coasternut3091 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just say "ready to taxi to the active with the numbers/atis"

  • @aplato11
    @aplato11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Content! :)

  • @gorillachinchilla1668
    @gorillachinchilla1668 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a definite guide available anywhere for all vatsim radio calls?

  • @galaxy4913
    @galaxy4913 ปีที่แล้ว

    We need a part 2!!

  • @sirrudy1233
    @sirrudy1233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a vatsim controller, this is very annoying. For example, I told some dude to standby and immediately called someone else. Right before this other aircraft is about to read back what he said, the first guy cuts him off and says “Standby CE172” this happened 2 or 3 times. Also I get asked way to many times what runways are in use, like read the atis people

  • @hxmiii
    @hxmiii ปีที่แล้ว +4

    this should have been titled:
    "Things Pilots Say On VATSIM That Annoy The HELL Out Of Me!" 😂
    i couldnt agree more with this list! one very small thing that i would have added is when requesting something, the "ing" on the end of requesting is completely unnecessary in most places.
    "Requesting IFR to Edinburgh" sounds weird. it sounds way smoother and professional when you say "Request IFR to Edinburgh" just for example lol!

    • @Everglad_Arts
      @Everglad_Arts ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ready for IFR clearance to Edinburgh ………running away from ing

    • @SlantAlphaAdventures
      @SlantAlphaAdventures ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Everglad_Arts you can even drop "ready for." "Martin Ground, N514DV, Information Bravo, IFR to Wilmington."

  • @alessandromontoya6195
    @alessandromontoya6195 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    uhm, that's all?

  • @williamhammond3998
    @williamhammond3998 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah no one cares about “with you”. We can speak clearly and concisely while maintaining some personality. We don’t have to sound robotic.

  • @nesargent
    @nesargent ปีที่แล้ว

    Meow

  • @Texas1FlyBoy
    @Texas1FlyBoy ปีที่แล้ว

    If only the people who *need* to see this video will actually watch it. 😂

  • @notthebestr6player951
    @notthebestr6player951 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the most useless video I ever see, and no one cares just have fun on vatsim we are not perfect

  • @JustAnOrdinarySimmer
    @JustAnOrdinarySimmer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What's more irritating.. people who use phrases like "With you" or those who only say what they need but take a like time doing so? I just started getting back into VATSIM, done my first flight in over a decade, landed but was stuck on a runway exit waiting to call ground because one guy was taking his sweet arse time saying anything. How much time does it really take to say "with you"? compared to say coughing or "hmmmm/arhhhhh" on frequency? which happens way more than it should....this video seems to be a rant about nothing honestly you just seem like one of the stuck up miserable simmers moaning about "with you" when you yourself probably take. Saying thank you, good morning/afternoon/evening is said a lot in real life pretty much after every first and last contact.... "London center good afternoon easy 266 with you FL100" compared to "*NOISE* london center errrrrrrrm easy 267 sorry correction easy ahhhhhh 266 with you FL100" with microphone eating and loud breathing... I'd rather here someone talk calm and clear saying the odd things that don't NEED to be said compared to the guy who only says what needs to be said but saying it like he/she has only just figured out how to talk.