MIchael Wargo on how to properly land an RC Turbine Jet
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ส.ค. 2021
- Precision Aerobatics and Hobbyking Team pilot, MIchael Wargo Discusses how to properly land an RC Turbine Jet. Also discussion on how to take off and fly. Practical Instruction on position and techniques to limit risk on landings
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I’ve always said this. And now finally a video illustrating it perfectly.
The majority of rc “pilots” (and I use that term loosely) have zero clue how to land correctly. As a matter of fact they think that as long as they didn’t completely tear the airplane apart, it was a good landing.
I’ve seen it so many times when they tear the gear off and then laugh about it. Is not funny. You. Can’t. Land.
The term we use in the airline business when landing is “stabilized approach”. This means that you have to make sure you’re configured and on speed before a certain point, typically 3 miles from a final approach fix. If you’re not stabilized by that time, most SOP’s will call for a go around.
This video highlighted this technique perfectly. I like he said, it’s not a special skill. Its STANDARD PRACTICE.
Hopefully, pilots watching this video will finally understand how to land a plane.
Thanks for this. A great way to say it. A stabilized approach is Key.
All valid points. Nice video. Nice camera work and editing😉. Very good educational video. Never seen a video like this on TH-cam.
The school of WARGO. GREAT TEACHER 👍 He has a bunch of videos like this on many different aspects of flying. I've seen them all several times and well worth the time
Thanks Mike,, I learned a lot,,,
That was excellent instruction. It was how I was taught to fly 45 years ago.
Another helpful tips video. Thanks Michael ✌😊🙏✌
The best lesson I have had so far! Thank you for your professional style narrative. I will do my best to emulate your technique.
Good video. Thanks very much. One of my rules: A good setup = A good landing. If the setup is not right, then go around. So many jet guys feel they have to land on the first approach. If it's not looking good, don't try to salvage a bad setup. Go around and do it again. Also, it's a good idea to practice landing setup and go around. Dedicate one flight a day to shooting go-arounds. Happy Landings!
Thank you, very helpful.
Nice videos as always 👌 Learned alot from you. Keep on with the good work 🙂
Thanks. Good information. Working on getting rid of my bounce.
Just wanted to send my thanks for this video. I have the f16 70mm edf and the strut pins on the retracts are fragile. Just rolling off the runway and hitting a gopher hole or something might snap a gear off. I’m getting much better and confident with my landing now. Thank you.
Thank you for doing this! I definitely have the fear that if I don’t come in hot it will fall out rather sky. I just wish I could build my confidence more on landings! Thanks again
'Nice, long, low and slow', I love this empathetic approach. Set the aircraft up to stop flying in its own time. Let the plane take off, gathering speed, no need to man-handle the elevator.
what a lovely aircraft
Awesome tutorial and great textbook landings!...Thumbs-up from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🌵🦠😷🇵🇷
What are the beautiful flying fields very nice video
Bad ass thanks for the info
On any airframe there are sweet spots.GET THE CG RIGHT.. So that it wants to come in at the smoothest angle of approach/ glide path.. You want it this way because in the event of power loss! = Glide path.. practice practice. Very impressive video!!
Can everyone just appreciate that grass strip? My club looks like the jungle.
the Rebel is the sweetest flying turbine out there....... just smooth and no bad habits...
Nice landing and nice job capt
Not coming in low and flat enough is a problem with almost anyone (regardless of the power plant) that has a problem landing in my observations. Once folks forget the 3 mistakes high and stop being afraid of the ground flying improves greatly.
What you say for jets also applies to EDFs. That is my experience...
Smoothest grass field I've ever seen.
Michael plz can you do a video regarding radio setup for turbine jet.
Another very helpful and awesome video Michael. I was flying a turbine yesterday and one of my landings started high which made it come in hot. Pretty smooth but went long and could have been a bad result if I hadn't had the runway length available. Great tip and reminder here to take the time to be precise.
Great video. Having issues landing my Freewing Avanti V1. Get too slow and this plane will definitely stall. Land a bit hot, and if nose wheel touches down, the plane jumps up wanting to fly again and sometimes goes into a bouncing oscillation and eventually another potential stall. Have been flying edf's for years. Not sure why I'm having such a problem with this one. The plane flies great! For some reason I just can't land it well consistently?
Nice job Michael!
Good video... Thanks for sharing.
** Suggestion.... How about a followup to the Landing phase with a video on Flap/Elevator mix to control your pitch attitude at slower speeds?
Additionally...
In getting a little more advanced.
Setting up an elevator fine tuning trim w/flaps so a pilot can adjust the elevator trim on the fly with the varying conditions during approaches?
I set mine up on a left hand slider to adjust the pitch with my index finger. (Didn't care for the dails)
Full travel can be set for 1/8" to 3/16" of elevator adjustment.
I've added that setup to all of my EDF's and Scale Warbirds with great results!
It cuts down the pilots workload significantly!
**Not a new concept, just rarely discussed.**
Thoughts???
Thnx,
DaKaiman
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I did the video completely at your suggestion!!!!! th-cam.com/video/in07LMb2Ecs/w-d-xo.html
Brilliant flying and smooth landing, but surprised you don't 'get on the back of the drag curve', nose high, and control descent rate with power. Easier on the F15 with the lifting body.
Depending on the plane, it offers some difficulties with many jets. Especially the Viper-type jets. They just don't want to be very nose high. When light, they also want to climb. My f-15 and f-16s are amazing that way, looks awesome too. Look at the boomerang and even the rafale. So nice when nose high. Short answer, depends on airframe.
Hi Michael, I have a Skymaster F-15 and was wondering what CG you used and how much fuel with gear up or down.
Another question is if you could described the power use during landing. Do you keep power on all the way to touch down or 1/2-1/3 throttle until over runway and then let it float in and flare just before wheels hit the ground?
Cheers
Rocco
I do not remember my cg. YOu simply need to watch the speed. Keep the power on if it doesn't seem to slow down, then cut the throttle. I found the I slowed, then added back a bit of power and brought the nose up. Then I kept the power on killing it low over the runway. BUt you will have to watch the speed. If you watch my landing you can see what I did. I hope that helps.
So, how does one get to the level of flying 45 55 lbs dry weight jets? Years down the road id love to get a 1/5 scale F16 turbine but how would I slowly get there? Thanks
I would always advise a trainer-type jet first. Or like if you lived close to me in Florida, I would offer to buddy box you on your big f-16 until you are comfortable.
Thanks a lot for this video, but most of the planes here are easy to land (similar gliders). But how to land a very heavy jet for its size like my F14 with two powerful engines. Those Jets like to tip stall immediately without warnings. Would you advise to land nose down and flair out at the end ( The risk is that the reaction to the elevator is too small or too high in the last moment or would you advise to come in with angle of attack and power. (The risk is that you lose too much speed too fast and then you stall).
How Would you land a critical plane like this, which is too heavy for its size?
Great question. The key as usual is managing the approach. OK. Ideally, you should find the sweet spot where you can land with power. This is how the real ones land of course, or an airliner. Long approach high alpha flying steadily with enough speed for slow flight. IT is hard to judge and almost unreasonable to do this consistently. My way is to fly comfortably slow, meaning you don't fear a stall at all. Just fly low and make sure you are low at beginning of runway. Fly it til its close to the ground then hold it off. Note my F-15 landing. IT wasn't slow, it was low. No altitude that turns into speed. That way, when it slows there is plenty of runway. I hope this is clear. Take away the altitude, you are more in control of the speed. Even if you are fast at beginning of runway, it will slow and land. Also, hold off touchdown to make it pretty.
@@MichaelWargo Thanks a lot for your fast and helpful response. I always shaking when landing my 35 kg Tomcat
I shake too! I have flown a twin turbine Tomcat! IT is a bit nerve wracking!
NEw video you inspired... th-cam.com/video/5pT9FWs9-0c/w-d-xo.html
Can I find a book to read on how to fly a jet
Thanks for the video. At what point do you flare, or do you flare at all?
As you can see, when I get close to the ground and I say hold it off... That is really the flair. But using that term suggests something more dramatic
@@MichaelWargo Thank you, Michael. I am a fan of RC aircraft. Most pilots make a steep and fast approach then flare when the aircraft still has lots of energy. What follows is a long flare and clumsy landing.
I have seen models with spoilers. These though can only work well with a well-controlled landing, like what you illustrate in your video.
Would love to see you flying a larger RC Airbus or Boeing to see how well you take off and land.
Thanks for the videos and please keep them coming.
What percent throttle are you at on your approach leg generally?
IMpossible to answer. Totally depends on circumstances. Especially since no airspeed indicators only feel. Of course not a long approach like full scale.
Hi Michael, great jet. Tell me please hom much cost to buy or create this one???
The yellow one if that is what you are referring to is a Rebel Pro by comp arf. The Turbine right now is ATJ 220. I think I will be selling that one soon!
Nice video but I think the Rebel is one of the easiest to fly and easiest to land...remind me of the havoc 😎....every jet comes with it's own personality....if you're landing a new jet too fast there is always a option to go around. Too slow...start running with the fire equipment. Understand your jet behavior during landing...As you can clearly see in this video.
RC or full scale, "good landings come from good approaches".
Do you land on low rates and fly on high rates?
In A previous video, I said you should always take off and land on high rates in case of a problem where when the plane is slow you can still have good control. If engine goes and you have to make an emergency landing, you will appreciate the extra Throw. Similarly, the slower you are(last seconds of landing) you will still have good control. Finally, if something crazy like a gust of wind or anything throws a wing down or something, you will have enough rates to correct. With a jet, I switch to a lower rate when going fast which is where you don't want too much movement and more resolution is beneficial. High rates going fast can be dangerous. What I always do is set enough expo on high rates so they feel the same as the lower rate at stick center. In general flying I can barely tell what rate unless I push the sticks hard
Great video most people expect to fly jets like prop planes and It doesn’t translate well.
Are you using any rudder in the turns???😎Going slow???
I use rudder so much throughout my flights, I guess it would depend on the moment. I am a 3D Pilot so it is so second nature. BUt the short answer is yes, I probably am using it in a fair percentage of the turns.
@@MichaelWargo THANKS ...!!! I use it alot to get the plane or jet back quicker sometimes... but I also use a bit of elevator to keep the noes up...its works for me... I always have the guys saying don't slow down...😂😰 thanks again great instruction video...
My experience is that these jets will glide forever if you bring them into fast. They are gliders with turbines if you keep their attitude in check.
What about using more rudder and less ailerons on final turns into the runway. Won't this help to prevent tip stalling also?
Comment 1:42 : Slow stall speed = good-natured model / High stall speed = bitchy model, maybe? (same model, 1kg heavier, has a higher stall speed)
Good catch, but I think he meant high stall speed.
throttle is altitude elevator is attitude. Forget about flairs the final is all about throttle management and glide slope and your planes attitude.