I will sign a petition for you so we can have rights to repair! Point me to the pen or the documentation page so I can sign my life away I mean sign right away
I've always been a huge supporter of right to repair. I'm an independent automotive technician and I also repair electronics as a hobby. We create a ton of e-waste by throwing out electronics that could easily be repaired if we had the parts and service information available. Also, I'm guessing you salvaged any working components before you stacked the tower?
@@Tronicsfix There actually aren't any notable right to repair laws for cars. In the early 60s the U.S. Supreme Court set the precedent that aftermarket car parts are legal. Manufacturers are not required to sell any replacement parts to the public except for emissions control components, which on any fuel burning vehicle is most engine, transmission, and exhaust components. A simple rule of thumb is that if it can turn on the check engine light and ONLY the check engine light, the manufacturer must sell you the part. If you hit a pothole and blow out your shock or your power window mirror goes bad, they legally don't have to sell you parts. The reason why they do is because they're competing with the aftermarket and cars are rather low profit products. Automakers rely on owners bringing their cars in for service and buying 1st party OEM parts. That's where the real money is made. The same law that forces manufacturers to sell emissions parts also forces them to provide repair information and software required to update and program new modules. The diagnostic port under your dashboard is mandated and the rather ancient OBD2 standard is mandated too. Again, that's all of emissions and nothing else. I can buy a subscription to almost every major manufacturer's diagnostic software. Literally the exact same stuff their own dealerships use. The laws that allow aftermarket parts does not apply to software. Companies like Snap-On, Launch, and Autel pay the automakers for their software so they can develop aftermarket scan tools. Ford actually successfuly sued Autel, a Chinese company, for copyright infringement. They reverse engineered Ford's dealer diag software to add features to their own aftermarket tools that they didn't pay Ford for. As we move towards electric and more advanced and more secure vehicles, a ton of stuff will go away. They aren't forced to sell drivetrain parts since they're zero emissions. And they were never forced to sell any other parts to begin with. Tesla doesn't sell any components to the public. All the other automakers are starting to restrict the public from buying certain parts for their EVs too. And the software that runs all the advanced modules is all encrypted now and even if it was cracked, it has always been illegal to. Like I said earlier, software doesn't have the same protections against copyright as a physical part. Right to repair will guarantee that we'll get parts, information, and software for all parts of a car. It will be a legal requirement and not up to the manufacturer's discretion like it is today.
@@Tronicsfix Indeed. It's absurd that if your disc driver breaks you have to buy another console because there are matching chips on both the motherboard and the driver and because of that you can't just replace the damn disc reader
Right to repair makes us all better consumers since we have the ability to better understand what we are purchasing. Indeed, without right to repair, it is essentially like we are leasing all our goods with a non-return requirement rather than truly owning them.
It's a real shame broken game consoles like these can't be repaired and donated to children's hospitals all over the world. Companies that willingly choose to block their products from being repaired are a scourge to the planet and its people.
@Cerus98 Sony isn't going to repair a broken decade old console that's been out of warranty for 7 years. Even if you could send in an old broken console, Sony would just throw it away and send you a new one that would also eventually have to be thrown away. The whole Right to Repair movement is about being able to fix these things ourselves and have access to schematics and repair parts. We shouldn't be forced to pay a company hundreds of dollars to do a repair that we're capable of doing ourselves for $20 bucks.
Not just childrens hospitals, basically people in a vulnerable position because as someone who for most of my life got stepped on but didn't qualify for things for various reasons something like a console would of given me faith in humanity, basically I felt discriminated against often unintentionally as I decided to not get into debt by living above my means, not having kids, not turning to drink/drugs (yes it often isn't a choice but still) Even as a adult I have seen things such as when I went to conventions no matter how much effort someone put into a costume and meant to be prizes that don't discriminate the kids (who had costumes their parents bought) got the prizes and it just hurt, people just saw that they were kids and I can use that sort of situation to most things, I was living off bread and water, someone with kids would get at least one if not multiple food parcels, I was living on a manky matress in a room barely big enough to even fit that in with no heating and its -20c outside, I got no help but someone with kids got money, clothes, furniture, even a home. Basically it MAY come across as me complaining that kids get to much but thats not what I mean, I just mean think outside of the usual.
@Cerus98 Who's destroying and throwing away the very products they say they should be able to repair? Do you have any evidence that A) people are doing this, and B) that the devices in question still have 1st party repair as an option? If 1st party repair for any given device isn't available, and schematics, parts, and diagnostic tools aren't available to independent repair, then throwing them away is the only option left. Sure, all those PS4s in the video might be possible to send to Sony for repairs. But what about a stack of PS2s? Sony isn't offering repairs anymore. The only thing people can do is either "destroy" one, turn it into a donor console and pull as many good parts off of it as possible to fix as many other PS2s as possible, or throw it out. "And forcing them to make replacement parts available would drive up their costs tenfold. Think consoles are $$$ now? Wait til you see how expensive they are when they have to design them in a way that makes part replacement possible and the logistics behind it. They would literally have to create a parts department from scratch. Who is going to pay for that?" Okay, you clearly don't understand RTR then. RTR isn't about forcing Sony to sell parts. In this case it would just be about not allowing Sony to tell the companies that do make the parts that they can't sell them to anyone else. Louis Rossmann always uses the example of the charging chip in newer Macbooks. He doesn't want Apple to be forced to stock and sell him charge chips. He just wants to be able to go to the manufacturer of the charge chip and buy one, instead of having the manufacturer tell him "Sorry, Apple won't allow us to sell that charge chip to anyone but them." BTW, citation needed on that "tenfold" increase in costs. I would suggest you spend some time doing more research into what RTR is and isn't about before you go making more comments like these.
Basically, in my family, we have about 6 chargers with USB connection and we have only 3 usable phones. This means that if I for example buy a new phone I will don't need a new charger since I have already three that I don't use. The only thing will be difficult to find out is if your phone is compatible with those chargers. But yeah, it's more Eco friendly since you will don't theoretically at least have the need to buy a new charger in this case.
@@ΚώσταςΚοζαδίνος yeah it is eco friendly but when they make it so fast charging only works with there charger or have an entirely new connect it defeats the point
@@ΚώσταςΚοζαδίνος Sure that's technically 'eco-friendly', but is it REALLY though when coming from the same corporations who will melt down/recycle entire circuit boards with a single chip malfunction in a heartbeat? The costs of the resources, their extraction and emissions caused are far too great to be so wasteful but they do it anyways because less ppl buying used = more forced to buy new from them
They _are_ helping the environment by removing chargers from the box. I certainly don't need any more chargers, I have enough of those already. The problem is how much _more_ these companies could be doing to help the environment. I offer genuine kudos to Apple for removing chargers, dirty buds, and single use plastic wrap from their iPhone boxes. Fantastic steps to reduce waste. HOWEVER, still going to call them out all the time for their anti-repair nonsense. Swapping an OEM screen from one brand new iPhone to another brand new iPhone shouldn't lock out a bunch of features. And Louis Rossmann and other Macbook repair techs should be able to go to the manufacturer of charge chips and buy charge chips instead of being told "Sorry, Apple said we can't sell this to anyone but them." And another thing that always seems to get ignored when people want to think they're sticking it to companies when complaining about these chargers: the chargers in the box usually sucked anyway. Apple always used to give people that crappy little 5W charger that takes FOREEEEEEVEEEEER to charge a phone. Most people were going to go buy a faster charger anyway instead of using the one that was provided. I know I did back when I still used iPhones. I still use that charger today with my Android phone because it was better than the one that came in that phone's box, too.
In my area, the repair shop keeps these broken unfixable units to tear them into bare shells. The way they do business is if you're looking for a replacement shell for your Ps4, they will sell it to you for a cheap price. If you're looking for a heat sink or fan replacement, they will also sell it for a cheap price. It is good that they can reuse most of the parts and not just throw them away in the junk
That's what I was thinking seeing this video, I really like those camo PS4 editions and I will be please to buy that shell but now they're damage. Was a nice way to show how much waste generate those anti Repair tactics but also create more damage on that PS4 consoles
I’m almost 100% he is definitely going to keep those ps4 for spare parts and etc. although, yes you are correct about damaging the outside shells. He has so many units, so he probably isn’t too worried about some of the shells
It’s depressing watching people like you and Hugh Jeffreys with all this tech that you could easily fix and have someone else enjoy. It’s borderline criminal how these companies can get away with it.
Funny story about my dad, he had a car that a basic part broke, he took it to the official dealer and I can't remember exact quote but £500-£700 for the PART not inc labour, he saw the same part at a local independant for £150 but isn't that well off, went online and bought from Ebay BIN for £75, from a local firm, the actual repair (he did electronics courses in the 80's and fixed loads of things like tvs and vcrs in the 90's even my games consoles) took him about 20 minutes to fix most of that was unscrewing where the part went and putting it back on as it was modular. So he saved over 10x the cost doing it himself and it was a simple repair.
Hey Steve, you are my mentor and your PS4 repairing videos inspired me to start my own repairing buisness few months ago, im doing well and i really love that. That tower falling was painful to watch but it surely is a strong message to share. I want to thank you with all my heart for creating great content and your sacrifice in dedication to the good cause ❤️ Keep up the great work, you are awesome 😎
3:59 *i cried* Also right to repair not only would help businesses like yours it would also help all of us just fix our own stuff if it's not too hard to do
Your earlier videos was easy to criticize for what it did wrong. Not only have this changed but you are also an absolute delight to watch. And you fight so that more people can get into repairing their stuff either by themselves or through someone else. You legend.
Thank You Steve for putting in the effort to create a video that really drives home the point, that making unrepairable electronics devices is horrible for our one, and only planet. These large corporations, that put this crap on the market, couldn't give two (2) hoots about the horrible e-waste footprint they are creating. With them, it's all about the profits. Repairability is something that they actually try to dissuade people from performing, and they go well out of their way to make this stuff as difficult as possible for independent repair shops to be able to repair/service. It really is a shame that these corporations can get away with this. Fred
Thanks for this. Big companies are not your friends. They love to talk about loyalty and yet refuse to give people the opportunity to fix devices that are in a really short supply right now and which for now you can only replace by giving the money both to the manufacturer and very often a scalper.
"Hey, my car seems to have a funny noise coming out of the engine." "Well, sorry, can't do anything about that. Just gonna have to junk it, I guess. Now, let's get you in a new car since you'll be needing it..."
I'm thankful for people like Steve who are willing to attempt to repair our electronics. My daughters ipad she used for school had a broken charge port. Apple wanted $300 for an out of warranty repair. Found a guy with great reviews online, who did it for $40. Took 7 days including shipping both ways (literally repaired it and shipped it out same day he got it). He even fixed the rear camera for free that I didnt know was messed up until my daughter told me it was working again. Almost two years later and still working without a problem.
Thank you Steve for posting this video! When I usually think about RTR, I usually think about Apple iPhone, but this PS4 video really made me think about the RTR movement in a different way. Seeing you point out a relatively inexpensive fan that consumers cannot get replacement parts for shows a real problem. Again, thank you so much! I feel this video is going to be very beneficial for RTR!
Hello, Steve! I'm with you almost from the start of your channel just because in Russia hard to find guide or advice for repair consoles and such. When I started I've got multimeter and solder iron with no any skills and knowledge but after years now I have pretty much experience for repairing most of electronic stuff people gave me to fix. Of course repairing is my hobby nothing more but for couple years I've got entire room in my house almost full of electronics that can't be repaired just because of there is no any parts or datasheets and this is disgusting in my opinion. This is really good electronic stuff: smart home controllers, consoles, TVs and TV boxes, single board computers, notebooks and other and other. Finally in this year in Russia appears the law exactly about the right to repair but, you know, it spends years to make this law start to work properly. Until the day when everyone can just find simple way to repair lovely electronic stuff I've hold my fist raised high for you and all who support our right to repair. Russia watching your videos, go on, Steve! We're with you!
Hi tronics, Big fan of your work. I'm an automobile engineer and work in India's biggest car manufacturer maruti suzuki. I personally think and believe that right to repair is a must. Recently my OnePlus 6 had an issue with the proxy sensor. I could've easily fixed it if I found the part locally. When I took it to OnePlus, they asked for a hefty amount to do the repair.
I watched this video yesterday, then so saw it featured in a Popular Mechanics article online. Very cool to see this featured, hopefully it brings more people to this channel
Dear TronicsFix, thank you for your efforts. I realise I'm late to this. I've learnt to solder thanks in part to your channel, at the ripe age of 40. I have repaired a Karcher Window Vac and 2 Microsoft Series 2 controllers (various issues including new sticks), and plan to fix a whole lot more. Right to repair should be a consumer right in every country (I'm from the UK). You should be able to buy spare parts for everything, and be able to fix what you paid for. It is greener to fix something old, rather than generate yet more e-waste. Throwaway society is not good for anyone. We just have to keep the pressure up. Keep the faith and keep on doing what you do, same to every fixer out there! I'm a fan of Louis too. Big respect.
Had anxiety towards the end of the video lol watching it slowly tilt and you looking down this was great video. Sucks that all those PS4 will not be enjoy by someone else 😭😭
Been repairing electronics over a decade and still no right to repair! The problem is many people are condition and incentivize to replace instead of repair...
I am a DIY type of guy and I have been my whole life. Although, I personally have exactly zero interest in fixing this kind of stuff myself, I definitely support the right to repair this stuff 100%.
We can never reach sustainable living with our "throw it away and get a new one" attitude. Thanks, Steve, for so clearly outlining the unnecessary waste we're producing, while still making it entertaining.
My comment is not about right to repair, but about your accent. You make the last word of each phrase very loooooong. It's actually very nice for foreign people studying English, because makes easier to understand. So thank you very much for your videos about repair, and thank you for helping me with my English. I know nothing about repair, but find your videos very entertaining.
Thank you! It's so annoying to think that nothing has been done about this issue yet. I only recently got into repairing consoles, but I've been all for right to repair ever since I first heard it. Until then, I wasn't aware that companies didn't supply parts.
I am glad the UK has made right to repair a priority and videos like yours are very useful I managed to swap out two PS4 hard drives the other day very simple and I'll be working on a PS4 controller drift shift issue soon
Thank you, for that great message you deliver with this video! I hope the big companies will wake up, and make things fixable! Not only for us customers even for the planet and the small companies, which earns money for the repairs.. However, we're currently expirience the lack! Go on with your great videos! Ever nice to watch it.
Breaks my heart knowing that so many game consoles and other electronics are just thrown away damaging the environment which could be easily avoided if it wasn't for greedy tech companies :'(
Nice video Steve. Hopefully the World is gonna change in the near future and we can save way more devices like we are able to fix right now. This would be a must to stop increasing the already extreme amount of e-waste.....
After watching your channel for several years, I'm sure many of those PS4 would be fixable for a reballing service. Not to be confused with "reflowing", because "reflowing" is a temporary reheat of the existing solder, while "reballing" implies soldering the main chips with new solder balls of better quality. Oh my gawd! The pain watching them fall 😣
I will always remember the look on my best friends face one day we were in his Jeep, and the dials on the dash were acting up. He apologized, said it usually fixed itself after turning the car on and off repeatedly. I gave him a quizzical look, and, while maintaining eye contact, thumped the dash over the speedometer with my fist, and everything popped into place. The look I got, like I had just performed actual magic in from of him. It was beautiful.
42, huh? I mean, that is the answer, after all. To the point though: I fully support R2R. I repair electronics myself, I'm fully qualified to solder some of the things that may need soldering too. But I can't, because wiring diagnostics aren't available. I just want to be able to save my stuff.
I appreciate just how important this is. Coming from the copier/printer industry where right to repair still exists, I find consumer electronics so frustrating. Perhaps we need to hit these companies in the pocketbook! Currently there is a very small fee on every item sold for post use recycling (At least in my state, Oregon) If right to repair parts and information are not available for a product then its fee should be increased dramatically to compensate for the environmental nightmare they are creating and to give these companies an incentive. I'd rather it just be required by law but if we cannot get that passed...
What. This means I got it right when you asked on Instagram what you were about to do with those PS4s. I knew it all along, because I would do the same! 😁💪
Nice to see, that you are not just an upper torso... xD It is so mindboggling, how small electronic repair is made so difficult, so you just keep buying new ones
Hahahaaha did not see this one coming but very nice world record for sure! We really need the right to repair. I've recently bought a hot air station and started with 4 ps4 controllers and fixed them all 😁 then i've bought a broken GPU still working on this and now i'm getting a broken ps4 so let's fix. Love your videos and learning a lot from them thx for that. 👍🏻
In my country, almost all game consoles are repaired. We even salvage those junk consoles from Japan ranging from famicom to xbox and ps4. Not only it helps the environment but also helps provide income for those talented electronic technicians.
I agree with you on the right to repair. As an electrical engineer I was taught engineering ethics in college and obviously right to repair is something any engineer should support. The one problem I see with electronics is the constantly changing nature of technology. We track product bill of materials by where in the part life cycle the components are. It’s too be expected that over a one year span, more than 25% of the parts in a PCB bill of materials goes from active to obsolete. We end up having to redesign the product with the new versions of the old parts. With that in mind I don’t know how there is a true value stream to parts when it takes 2 to 4 years before a PS4 would start needing parts. Slight differences in part characteristics means fixes wouldn’t be drop in replacements. There is more to say on this if someone is interested in discussing it more.
I support you guys on this wholeheartedly on this! With all due respects when you're paying some of the sums you do for consumer electronics, there should be rules in place that explicitly state that you can have it repaired should a component fail, especially in a world where we're conscious of e-waste & plastic waste in general! The only reason they don't allow this is greed, if it can't be repaired then generally, it'll get replaced giving the manufacturer more profit, so it's obvious why your Apple/Sony/Microsoft/Samsungs of the world are fighting so damn hard against it! Meanwhile that object with the majority of "good" components is left to waste, all for one tiny £20 part that anyone with the right tools & competent ability can fix, it's madness.
Fun video to watch while I’m repairing some gauge clusters. RtR needs to be enacted ASAP. So much waste because of it. Most repairs needing something small that would cost less than a dollar and 45 seconds with a soldering iron.
I think this was a cute way to do a PSA and help more promote more awareness of this important issue. It will probably help those who are unaware to visualize the reality of otherwise fixable (and often expensive) electronics winding up in landfills. 😥
The issue is highlighted with machinery being able to be repaired. The issue is that people think we are greener today than a few decades ago but we are not. TVs VCRs etc used to be repaired by going to your radio shack and buying capacitors etc and even being able to get parts, now? the excuse is copyright and patent infringement. A lot of car parts for example are OEM and not original. This doesn't mean thney aren't good, they often are or will do the job relatively well. So the same should be for electronic goods. Might not be as long lasting say, but, they should be allowed to be made and fall under the same laws etc as car parts, washing machines etc. I believe Louis Rossman has highlighted this before. We are MORE wasteful and less green than we used to be. Take the milkman in England, they used to deliver to your door with glass bottles, they took the empties which got washed, sterilised and refilled to be used again on the next deliveries. Germany in Detm,old, Toom Markt, we took crates of coke bottles, glass, back to the hypermarket, got money OFF our next crate, Coca-cola tok those glass botles just like the milkman, washed them, sterilised them and refilled them. The customer gotr money off as each bottle returned was like a money off voucher. You do that? then there will be less bottles on the streets as, who doesn't want to save money? less plastic bottle in the oceans etc. They wouldn't need remoulding either, not tthe good ones, just wash, sterilise and refill then re-sell. But no, they harp on about fictional climate change instead all the while ignoring the REAL issues. We were greener back then as people took more care ovber their stuff and repaired them themselves which was cheaper. People need to go old school again.
Was going to give you a thumbs up until I read "fictional climate change." If you think all of our manufacturing waste, all of our manufacturing emissions, all of our vehicle emissions, and more aren't having an impact on the climate, you're absolutely out of your mind. The evidence, the scientific studies, it's all out there to be read for anyone who is willing to read it and learn about it, rather than blindly deny it. If you're going to say complete nonsense like that, put it at the start of your comment next time so we don't have to read to paragraphs to discover that you're wasting our time.
Yes we do take back bottles, but that doesn't help the fact we still have no access to the thing we need to fix most of our stuff. 2nd oem literally mean " original equipment manufacturers " last fictional climate change.... everything you wrote is just beyond stupid and I fell like I've gotten dumber trying to under your lack of logic. Dumbass
I remember seeing a video about how they are making these modern farming tractors basically impossible for owners to repair on their own because they can't get into the system since everything is being so computerised. So then the owners have to take it to the manufacturer I believe to get it fixed. It's for the monies
What happened to the consoles after filming? Did you get them to a recycling facility or something like that? Great video with an important message. Thank you.
I am a gamer and also a PlayStation fan and a electronic engineer, I've been thinking of buying a ps5since it was released, but I've been holding it back because of its high price. I was really surprised when I saw your video.
I like the content very nice and been watching a few of your videos just to get a picture of how to take things apart open up my ps4 and did a cleaning keep it up
Brilliant idea. Just talking to people about things like this might get a small number invested. But showing it to them, on such a scale, that these devices are mostly worthless... that's bound to open more eyes.
Would by interesting to know from all the repair channels on TH-cam (and perhaps local repair shops) the number of "unfixable" consoles they deal with. They'd probably fill an Olympic-size swimming pool.
I am a 14yr old. I am willing to take time or even a good amount of money. I (or If I can't somebody) will hopefully fix a broken Huawei Ascend Y300. It's a very very cheap phone, but... I have a mindset to repair ANYTHING that is repairable. If not then reuse the parts or recycle. NEVER EVER throw away anything. Hope right to repair will come soon. That would make our work so much more succesful and also easier.
And in some cases what you say about automobiles, some companies have tried to stop 3rd party mechanics from fixing vehicles... Ford tried sueing a tool maker that was able to read and clear errors in the computer because it had to use copyrighted information to access the computer. (DMCA/C&D). Tesla also makes it so the consumer or 3rd party repair shops can't access the parts or software,
More info about Right to Repair: th-cam.com/video/nvVafMi0l68/w-d-xo.html
Can you give me the blu-ray ribbon cables
#RightToRepair
I just need them for my ps4 my got torn when I was cleaning it
I will sign a petition for you so we can have rights to repair!
Point me to the pen or the documentation page so I can sign my life away I mean sign right away
They aren't fixable now
Thank you!
Hey Louis! It's not much but hopefully it'll help spread the word a bit.
I've always been a huge supporter of right to repair. I'm an independent automotive technician and I also repair electronics as a hobby. We create a ton of e-waste by throwing out electronics that could easily be repaired if we had the parts and service information available. Also, I'm guessing you salvaged any working components before you stacked the tower?
I wish small electronics had similar right to repair laws as they do for cars. Although it seems like those laws are always being attacked too.
@@Tronicsfix There actually aren't any notable right to repair laws for cars.
In the early 60s the U.S. Supreme Court set the precedent that aftermarket car parts are legal. Manufacturers are not required to sell any replacement parts to the public except for emissions control components, which on any fuel burning vehicle is most engine, transmission, and exhaust components. A simple rule of thumb is that if it can turn on the check engine light and ONLY the check engine light, the manufacturer must sell you the part. If you hit a pothole and blow out your shock or your power window mirror goes bad, they legally don't have to sell you parts. The reason why they do is because they're competing with the aftermarket and cars are rather low profit products. Automakers rely on owners bringing their cars in for service and buying 1st party OEM parts. That's where the real money is made.
The same law that forces manufacturers to sell emissions parts also forces them to provide repair information and software required to update and program new modules. The diagnostic port under your dashboard is mandated and the rather ancient OBD2 standard is mandated too. Again, that's all of emissions and nothing else. I can buy a subscription to almost every major manufacturer's diagnostic software. Literally the exact same stuff their own dealerships use. The laws that allow aftermarket parts does not apply to software. Companies like Snap-On, Launch, and Autel pay the automakers for their software so they can develop aftermarket scan tools. Ford actually successfuly sued Autel, a Chinese company, for copyright infringement. They reverse engineered Ford's dealer diag software to add features to their own aftermarket tools that they didn't pay Ford for.
As we move towards electric and more advanced and more secure vehicles, a ton of stuff will go away. They aren't forced to sell drivetrain parts since they're zero emissions. And they were never forced to sell any other parts to begin with. Tesla doesn't sell any components to the public. All the other automakers are starting to restrict the public from buying certain parts for their EVs too. And the software that runs all the advanced modules is all encrypted now and even if it was cracked, it has always been illegal to. Like I said earlier, software doesn't have the same protections against copyright as a physical part.
Right to repair will guarantee that we'll get parts, information, and software for all parts of a car. It will be a legal requirement and not up to the manufacturer's discretion like it is today.
@@Tronicsfix Indeed. It's absurd that if your disc driver breaks you have to buy another console because there are matching chips on both the motherboard and the driver and because of that you can't just replace the damn disc reader
Tesla cars are excluded from this because they produce no emissions. No schematics are available to third party repair companies. 😠
Right to repair makes us all better consumers since we have the ability to better understand what we are purchasing. Indeed, without right to repair, it is essentially like we are leasing all our goods with a non-return requirement rather than truly owning them.
It's a real shame broken game consoles like these can't be repaired and donated to children's hospitals all over the world. Companies that willingly choose to block their products from being repaired are a scourge to the planet and its people.
@Cerus98 Sony isn't going to repair a broken decade old console that's been out of warranty for 7 years. Even if you could send in an old broken console, Sony would just throw it away and send you a new one that would also eventually have to be thrown away. The whole Right to Repair movement is about being able to fix these things ourselves and have access to schematics and repair parts. We shouldn't be forced to pay a company hundreds of dollars to do a repair that we're capable of doing ourselves for $20 bucks.
Not just childrens hospitals, basically people in a vulnerable position because as someone who for most of my life got stepped on but didn't qualify for things for various reasons something like a console would of given me faith in humanity, basically I felt discriminated against often unintentionally as I decided to not get into debt by living above my means, not having kids, not turning to drink/drugs (yes it often isn't a choice but still) Even as a adult I have seen things such as when I went to conventions no matter how much effort someone put into a costume and meant to be prizes that don't discriminate the kids (who had costumes their parents bought) got the prizes and it just hurt, people just saw that they were kids and I can use that sort of situation to most things, I was living off bread and water, someone with kids would get at least one if not multiple food parcels, I was living on a manky matress in a room barely big enough to even fit that in with no heating and its -20c outside, I got no help but someone with kids got money, clothes, furniture, even a home. Basically it MAY come across as me complaining that kids get to much but thats not what I mean, I just mean think outside of the usual.
@Cerus98 Who's destroying and throwing away the very products they say they should be able to repair? Do you have any evidence that A) people are doing this, and B) that the devices in question still have 1st party repair as an option? If 1st party repair for any given device isn't available, and schematics, parts, and diagnostic tools aren't available to independent repair, then throwing them away is the only option left.
Sure, all those PS4s in the video might be possible to send to Sony for repairs. But what about a stack of PS2s? Sony isn't offering repairs anymore. The only thing people can do is either "destroy" one, turn it into a donor console and pull as many good parts off of it as possible to fix as many other PS2s as possible, or throw it out.
"And forcing them to make replacement parts available would drive up their costs tenfold. Think consoles are $$$ now? Wait til you see how expensive they are when they have to design them in a way that makes part replacement possible and the logistics behind it.
They would literally have to create a parts department from scratch. Who is going to pay for that?"
Okay, you clearly don't understand RTR then. RTR isn't about forcing Sony to sell parts. In this case it would just be about not allowing Sony to tell the companies that do make the parts that they can't sell them to anyone else. Louis Rossmann always uses the example of the charging chip in newer Macbooks. He doesn't want Apple to be forced to stock and sell him charge chips. He just wants to be able to go to the manufacturer of the charge chip and buy one, instead of having the manufacturer tell him "Sorry, Apple won't allow us to sell that charge chip to anyone but them." BTW, citation needed on that "tenfold" increase in costs.
I would suggest you spend some time doing more research into what RTR is and isn't about before you go making more comments like these.
Haha. Wait till your hear how every company you know of is predetory
The console manufacturer wants you to buy a new one.
That's ridiculous, these are the same type of companies that claim they are helping the environment by removing chargers from the box 😂😂
Yes, exactly.
Basically, in my family, we have about 6 chargers with USB connection and we have only 3 usable phones. This means that if I for example buy a new phone I will don't need a new charger since I have already three that I don't use. The only thing will be difficult to find out is if your phone is compatible with those chargers. But yeah, it's more Eco friendly since you will don't theoretically at least have the need to buy a new charger in this case.
@@ΚώσταςΚοζαδίνος yeah it is eco friendly but when they make it so fast charging only works with there charger or have an entirely new connect it defeats the point
@@ΚώσταςΚοζαδίνος Sure that's technically 'eco-friendly', but is it REALLY though when coming from the same corporations who will melt down/recycle entire circuit boards with a single chip malfunction in a heartbeat? The costs of the resources, their extraction and emissions caused are far too great to be so wasteful but they do it anyways because less ppl buying used = more forced to buy new from them
They _are_ helping the environment by removing chargers from the box. I certainly don't need any more chargers, I have enough of those already. The problem is how much _more_ these companies could be doing to help the environment. I offer genuine kudos to Apple for removing chargers, dirty buds, and single use plastic wrap from their iPhone boxes. Fantastic steps to reduce waste. HOWEVER, still going to call them out all the time for their anti-repair nonsense. Swapping an OEM screen from one brand new iPhone to another brand new iPhone shouldn't lock out a bunch of features. And Louis Rossmann and other Macbook repair techs should be able to go to the manufacturer of charge chips and buy charge chips instead of being told "Sorry, Apple said we can't sell this to anyone but them."
And another thing that always seems to get ignored when people want to think they're sticking it to companies when complaining about these chargers: the chargers in the box usually sucked anyway. Apple always used to give people that crappy little 5W charger that takes FOREEEEEEVEEEEER to charge a phone. Most people were going to go buy a faster charger anyway instead of using the one that was provided. I know I did back when I still used iPhones. I still use that charger today with my Android phone because it was better than the one that came in that phone's box, too.
In my area, the repair shop keeps these broken unfixable units to tear them into bare shells. The way they do business is if you're looking for a replacement shell for your Ps4, they will sell it to you for a cheap price. If you're looking for a heat sink or fan replacement, they will also sell it for a cheap price. It is good that they can reuse most of the parts and not just throw them away in the junk
That's what I was thinking seeing this video, I really like those camo PS4 editions and I will be please to buy that shell but now they're damage. Was a nice way to show how much waste generate those anti Repair tactics but also create more damage on that PS4 consoles
I’m almost 100% he is definitely going to keep those ps4 for spare parts and etc. although, yes you are correct about damaging the outside shells. He has so many units, so he probably isn’t too worried about some of the shells
Ah man, when it started falling that was hard to watch. Hope things change soon, makes me cry seeing all those unfixable consoles. 🥺
Yes, it's hard for me to watch as well.
Got to love that the stack went up to be the ultimate answer to the ultimate question. And yes, we need some right to repair!
Hey.... I was your 42nd thumbs up. ;)
Even though they were all broken, my heart sank when they started to topple.
Honestly it hurts me a little when I watch it back. All these Ps4's that COULD have been fixable are now basically just trash.
It’s depressing watching people like you and Hugh Jeffreys with all this tech that you could easily fix and have someone else enjoy. It’s borderline criminal how these companies can get away with it.
@@JeffHundo Hello and welcome to another Hugh Jefferys viewer. 🙂
Bang on Steve! This definitely gets the message across. Let's hope we eventually make some headway with these corporations!
Thank you for bringing the subject of right to repair to the forefront of discussion. Louis Rossmann is a great advocate for this movement.
Funny story about my dad, he had a car that a basic part broke, he took it to the official dealer and I can't remember exact quote but £500-£700 for the PART not inc labour, he saw the same part at a local independant for £150 but isn't that well off, went online and bought from Ebay BIN for £75, from a local firm, the actual repair (he did electronics courses in the 80's and fixed loads of things like tvs and vcrs in the 90's even my games consoles) took him about 20 minutes to fix most of that was unscrewing where the part went and putting it back on as it was modular. So he saved over 10x the cost doing it himself and it was a simple repair.
Yep. I've heard (and experienced) so many stories just like this.
Hey Steve, you are my mentor and your PS4 repairing videos inspired me to start my own repairing buisness few months ago, im doing well and i really love that.
That tower falling was painful to watch but it surely is a strong message to share. I want to thank you with all my heart for creating great content and your sacrifice in dedication to the good cause ❤️ Keep up the great work, you are awesome 😎
3:59 *i cried*
Also right to repair not only would help businesses like yours it would also help all of us just fix our own stuff if it's not too hard to do
Your earlier videos was easy to criticize for what it did wrong. Not only have this changed but you are also an absolute delight to watch.
And you fight so that more people can get into repairing their stuff either by themselves or through someone else.
You legend.
Thank You Steve for putting in the effort to create a video that really drives home the point, that making unrepairable electronics devices is horrible for our one, and only planet. These large corporations, that put this crap on the market, couldn't give two (2) hoots about the horrible e-waste footprint they are creating. With them, it's all about the profits. Repairability is something that they actually try to dissuade people from performing, and they go well out of their way to make this stuff as difficult as possible for independent repair shops to be able to repair/service. It really is a shame that these corporations can get away with this. Fred
Thanks for this. Big companies are not your friends. They love to talk about loyalty and yet refuse to give people the opportunity to fix devices that are in a really short supply right now and which for now you can only replace by giving the money both to the manufacturer and very often a scalper.
"Hey, my car seems to have a funny noise coming out of the engine."
"Well, sorry, can't do anything about that. Just gonna have to junk it, I guess. Now, let's get you in a new car since you'll be needing it..."
Not in a million years would I have imagined that this man owns a tracktor xD
Where was the tractor???
@@edwardshank5190 2:28
@@afif8488 how did I miss that. Lol
Tractor*
I'm thankful for people like Steve who are willing to attempt to repair our electronics. My daughters ipad she used for school had a broken charge port. Apple wanted $300 for an out of warranty repair. Found a guy with great reviews online, who did it for $40. Took 7 days including shipping both ways (literally repaired it and shipped it out same day he got it). He even fixed the rear camera for free that I didnt know was messed up until my daughter told me it was working again. Almost two years later and still working without a problem.
Thank you Steve for posting this video! When I usually think about RTR, I usually think about Apple iPhone, but this PS4 video really made me think about the RTR movement in a different way. Seeing you point out a relatively inexpensive fan that consumers cannot get replacement parts for shows a real problem. Again, thank you so much! I feel this video is going to be very beneficial for RTR!
Hello, Steve! I'm with you almost from the start of your channel just because in Russia hard to find guide or advice for repair consoles and such. When I started I've got multimeter and solder iron with no any skills and knowledge but after years now I have pretty much experience for repairing most of electronic stuff people gave me to fix. Of course repairing is my hobby nothing more but for couple years I've got entire room in my house almost full of electronics that can't be repaired just because of there is no any parts or datasheets and this is disgusting in my opinion. This is really good electronic stuff: smart home controllers, consoles, TVs and TV boxes, single board computers, notebooks and other and other. Finally in this year in Russia appears the law exactly about the right to repair but, you know, it spends years to make this law start to work properly. Until the day when everyone can just find simple way to repair lovely electronic stuff I've hold my fist raised high for you and all who support our right to repair. Russia watching your videos, go on, Steve! We're with you!
Not bad, 42 is after all the answer to life, universe and everything according to the Hitchhiker's guide.
This is a great video Steve. An epic but fantastic way to get the word out about R2R... Keep up the great work
Hey thanks! Hopefully it'll help raise awareness.
@@Tronicsfix hopefully so, I will probably be trying to do something here in the UK soon too, just need to find the right concept 😀
Such an amazingly visual demonstration of the problem! Also, love that you made it to 42 PS4s. That's the only number it could've possibly been.
Exactly my man, I always lament the absence of Right to Repair for electronics
Hi tronics,
Big fan of your work. I'm an automobile engineer and work in India's biggest car manufacturer maruti suzuki. I personally think and believe that right to repair is a must. Recently my OnePlus 6 had an issue with the proxy sensor. I could've easily fixed it if I found the part locally. When I took it to OnePlus, they asked for a hefty amount to do the repair.
I watched this video yesterday, then so saw it featured in a Popular Mechanics article online. Very cool to see this featured, hopefully it brings more people to this channel
Dear TronicsFix, thank you for your efforts. I realise I'm late to this. I've learnt to solder thanks in part to your channel, at the ripe age of 40. I have repaired a Karcher Window Vac and 2 Microsoft Series 2 controllers (various issues including new sticks), and plan to fix a whole lot more. Right to repair should be a consumer right in every country (I'm from the UK). You should be able to buy spare parts for everything, and be able to fix what you paid for. It is greener to fix something old, rather than generate yet more e-waste. Throwaway society is not good for anyone. We just have to keep the pressure up. Keep the faith and keep on doing what you do, same to every fixer out there! I'm a fan of Louis too. Big respect.
Had anxiety towards the end of the video lol watching it slowly tilt and you looking down this was great video. Sucks that all those PS4 will not be enjoy by someone else 😭😭
Ha, ha. I had anxiety when I watched it back! Yes, it really sucks that these and so many Ps4's and other electronics are needlessly going to waste.
Been repairing electronics over a decade and still no right to repair! The problem is many people are condition and incentivize to replace instead of repair...
aka: morons
I am a DIY type of guy and I have been my whole life. Although, I personally have exactly zero interest in fixing this kind of stuff myself, I definitely support the right to repair this stuff 100%.
We can never reach sustainable living with our "throw it away and get a new one" attitude. Thanks, Steve, for so clearly outlining the unnecessary waste we're producing, while still making it entertaining.
My comment is not about right to repair, but about your accent. You make the last word of each phrase very loooooong. It's actually very nice for foreign people studying English, because makes easier to understand. So thank you very much for your videos about repair, and thank you for helping me with my English.
I know nothing about repair, but find your videos very entertaining.
Nice to see you OUTSIDE Steve. You've made some valid points about unfixables. Best video yet !!!!
Always appreciate watching your videos and champion the right to repair for all of us! 👍🍺
Rock On . . . ✌️
Thank you for watching.
If your ladder is tall enough and you're on level ground, I'm guessing 100 with no wind
I'm not sure I could do 100. I think I could do 50-60 in ideal conditions.
The real question is: how much weight can a PS4 carry before its plastic case starts to buckle? The PS4 below has to carry the entire tower.
@@TheRocco96 oooh. Great experiment. I'm guessing 150 kg
Thank you! It's so annoying to think that nothing has been done about this issue yet. I only recently got into repairing consoles, but I've been all for right to repair ever since I first heard it. Until then, I wasn't aware that companies didn't supply parts.
I am glad the UK has made right to repair a priority and videos like yours are very useful I managed to swap out two PS4 hard drives the other day very simple and I'll be working on a PS4 controller drift shift issue soon
Great video! Love the change-up from your normal videos! Keep up the good work!
I see this made it into Popular Mechanics Right to Repair, good stuff bud
Thanks for this, Steve!
Good to make people aware. We need to do more!
Agreed
Thank you, for that great message you deliver with this video! I hope the big companies will wake up, and make things fixable! Not only for us customers even for the planet and the small companies, which earns money for the repairs.. However, we're currently expirience the lack! Go on with your great videos! Ever nice to watch it.
Breaks my heart knowing that so many game consoles and other electronics are just thrown away damaging the environment which could be easily avoided if it wasn't for greedy tech companies :'(
Thank you for this video. I hope with more and more support from channels like you it will happen one day. Thanks again for the awesome videos!
These ps4s are still great for spare parts. Outer casings, fans, etc; but most people sell parts that are too overpriced imo
Nice video Steve. Hopefully the World is gonna change in the near future and we can save way more devices like we are able to fix right now. This would be a must to stop increasing the already extreme amount of e-waste.....
After watching your channel for several years, I'm sure many of those PS4 would be fixable for a reballing service. Not to be confused with "reflowing", because "reflowing" is a temporary reheat of the existing solder, while "reballing" implies soldering the main chips with new solder balls of better quality.
Oh my gawd! The pain watching them fall 😣
Would be fun to see if the impact magically fixed any of them. Percussive maintenance!
I will always remember the look on my best friends face one day we were in his Jeep, and the dials on the dash were acting up. He apologized, said it usually fixed itself after turning the car on and off repeatedly. I gave him a quizzical look, and, while maintaining eye contact, thumped the dash over the speedometer with my fist, and everything popped into place.
The look I got, like I had just performed actual magic in from of him. It was beautiful.
I hope Louis Rossmann reacts to this. You have such a good point here.
I always watch your videos and learn new things, so big respect to you❤️
Thank you for watching!
Tomorrow they will release a schematic and parts catalog for all the PS4s and pros and you just sent 20 or so straight to the ground. Great video!
42, huh? I mean, that is the answer, after all.
To the point though: I fully support R2R. I repair electronics myself, I'm fully qualified to solder some of the things that may need soldering too. But I can't, because wiring diagnostics aren't available. I just want to be able to save my stuff.
I'm really glad you covered this issue.
Thank you for raising awareness on this topic.
I appreciate just how important this is. Coming from the copier/printer industry where right to repair still exists, I find consumer electronics so frustrating. Perhaps we need to hit these companies in the pocketbook! Currently there is a very small fee on every item sold for post use recycling (At least in my state, Oregon) If right to repair parts and information are not available for a product then its fee should be increased dramatically to compensate for the environmental nightmare they are creating and to give these companies an incentive. I'd rather it just be required by law but if we cannot get that passed...
Having fun and making a point. All at the same time.
WE WANT THE RIGHT TO REPAIR!!! TEAM LOUIS ROSSMANN WOOOHOOO 💪
What. This means I got it right when you asked on Instagram what you were about to do with those PS4s. I knew it all along, because I would do the same! 😁💪
Good guess!
Nice to see, that you are not just an upper torso... xD
It is so mindboggling, how small electronic repair is made so difficult, so you just keep buying new ones
Man i really like your videos greetings here from the Philippines.
RIGHT ON, BROTHER!!! Keep the faith.
Fun video. Nice to see you throw something like this in sometimes.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hahahaaha did not see this one coming but very nice world record for sure! We really need the right to repair. I've recently bought a hot air station and started with 4 ps4 controllers and fixed them all 😁 then i've bought a broken GPU still working on this and now i'm getting a broken ps4 so let's fix. Love your videos and learning a lot from them thx for that. 👍🏻
This is awesome! Love hearing stuff like this. Nice work.
In my country, almost all game consoles are repaired. We even salvage those junk consoles from Japan ranging from famicom to xbox and ps4. Not only it helps the environment but also helps provide income for those talented electronic technicians.
I agree with you on the right to repair. As an electrical engineer I was taught engineering ethics in college and obviously right to repair is something any engineer should support. The one problem I see with electronics is the constantly changing nature of technology. We track product bill of materials by where in the part life cycle the components are. It’s too be expected that over a one year span, more than 25% of the parts in a PCB bill of materials goes from active to obsolete. We end up having to redesign the product with the new versions of the old parts. With that in mind I don’t know how there is a true value stream to parts when it takes 2 to 4 years before a PS4 would start needing parts. Slight differences in part characteristics means fixes wouldn’t be drop in replacements. There is more to say on this if someone is interested in discussing it more.
Thank you for sharing and bringing attention to the cause
I support you guys on this wholeheartedly on this! With all due respects when you're paying some of the sums you do for consumer electronics, there should be rules in place that explicitly state that you can have it repaired should a component fail, especially in a world where we're conscious of e-waste & plastic waste in general! The only reason they don't allow this is greed, if it can't be repaired then generally, it'll get replaced giving the manufacturer more profit, so it's obvious why your Apple/Sony/Microsoft/Samsungs of the world are fighting so damn hard against it! Meanwhile that object with the majority of "good" components is left to waste, all for one tiny £20 part that anyone with the right tools & competent ability can fix, it's madness.
This is a good way to raise awareness.
Fun video to watch while I’m repairing some gauge clusters. RtR needs to be enacted ASAP. So much waste because of it. Most repairs needing something small that would cost less than a dollar and 45 seconds with a soldering iron.
Yep, exactly! Great channel btw.
I think this was a cute way to do a PSA and help more promote more awareness of this important issue. It will probably help those who are unaware to visualize the reality of otherwise fixable (and often expensive) electronics winding up in landfills. 😥
The issue is highlighted with machinery being able to be repaired. The issue is that people think we are greener today than a few decades ago but we are not. TVs VCRs etc used to be repaired by going to your radio shack and buying capacitors etc and even being able to get parts, now? the excuse is copyright and patent infringement. A lot of car parts for example are OEM and not original. This doesn't mean thney aren't good, they often are or will do the job relatively well. So the same should be for electronic goods. Might not be as long lasting say, but, they should be allowed to be made and fall under the same laws etc as car parts, washing machines etc. I believe Louis Rossman has highlighted this before. We are MORE wasteful and less green than we used to be.
Take the milkman in England, they used to deliver to your door with glass bottles, they took the empties which got washed, sterilised and refilled to be used again on the next deliveries. Germany in Detm,old, Toom Markt, we took crates of coke bottles, glass, back to the hypermarket, got money OFF our next crate, Coca-cola tok those glass botles just like the milkman, washed them, sterilised them and refilled them. The customer gotr money off as each bottle returned was like a money off voucher. You do that? then there will be less bottles on the streets as, who doesn't want to save money? less plastic bottle in the oceans etc. They wouldn't need remoulding either, not tthe good ones, just wash, sterilise and refill then re-sell. But no, they harp on about fictional climate change instead all the while ignoring the REAL issues.
We were greener back then as people took more care ovber their stuff and repaired them themselves which was cheaper. People need to go old school again.
Was going to give you a thumbs up until I read "fictional climate change."
If you think all of our manufacturing waste, all of our manufacturing emissions, all of our vehicle emissions, and more aren't having an impact on the climate, you're absolutely out of your mind. The evidence, the scientific studies, it's all out there to be read for anyone who is willing to read it and learn about it, rather than blindly deny it.
If you're going to say complete nonsense like that, put it at the start of your comment next time so we don't have to read to paragraphs to discover that you're wasting our time.
OEM= original equipment manufacturer
Yes we do take back bottles, but that doesn't help the fact we still have no access to the thing we need to fix most of our stuff. 2nd oem literally mean " original equipment manufacturers " last fictional climate change.... everything you wrote is just beyond stupid and I fell like I've gotten dumber trying to under your lack of logic. Dumbass
Dude. Excellent, excellent video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I remember seeing a video about how they are making these modern farming tractors basically impossible for owners to repair on their own because they can't get into the system since everything is being so computerised. So then the owners have to take it to the manufacturer I believe to get it fixed. It's for the monies
I honestly wasn’t expecting PS4 stacking as a vid, but its a great vid nonetheless.
What happened to the consoles after filming? Did you get them to a recycling facility or something like that?
Great video with an important message. Thank you.
He likely would use them as a source for parts that are working. Like the motherboard could be fried but the fan is fine sort of thing
Still have them. I'll be using them for parts
I am a gamer and also a PlayStation fan and a electronic engineer, I've been thinking of buying a ps5since it was released, but I've been holding it back because of its high price. I was really surprised when I saw your video.
I like the content very nice and been watching a few of your videos just to get a picture of how to take things apart open up my ps4 and did a cleaning keep it up
Amazing video!
Thanks!
@@Tronicsfix no problem
Thank you for championing a cause like this.
A pic speaks a 1000 words. A video..........well played.
Man this video was really unique but still I love it.
Brilliant idea. Just talking to people about things like this might get a small number invested. But showing it to them, on such a scale, that these devices are mostly worthless... that's bound to open more eyes.
Lol 4:09, the PS4 inspite of being broken fell down but definately got my heart in my mouth😺
Thank you! The right to repair is a right to fully own our devices.
VERY relevant video. Fun, informative, real. And a shame that we don't have that. Look at all that waste...
For sure a world record for an open field.
This.Video.Is.So.Important.
We need the right to repair!
YES!
Would by interesting to know from all the repair channels on TH-cam (and perhaps local repair shops) the number of "unfixable" consoles they deal with. They'd probably fill an Olympic-size swimming pool.
If you count all the independent repair facilities then, yes you could easily fill a swimming pool.
@@Tronicsfix such a shameful waste! This needs to change.
I am a 14yr old. I am willing to take time or even a good amount of money. I (or If I can't somebody) will hopefully fix a broken Huawei Ascend Y300. It's a very very cheap phone, but...
I have a mindset to repair ANYTHING that is repairable. If not then reuse the parts or recycle. NEVER EVER throw away anything.
Hope right to repair will come soon. That would make our work so much more succesful and also easier.
Good video and good way to spread the message.
Love the video idea, and yes, our business needs right to repair.
And in some cases what you say about automobiles, some companies have tried to stop 3rd party mechanics from fixing vehicles... Ford tried sueing a tool maker that was able to read and clear errors in the computer because it had to use copyrighted information to access the computer. (DMCA/C&D). Tesla also makes it so the consumer or 3rd party repair shops can't access the parts or software,
Great video Steve, this must be really frustrating. Guessing this law applies to other countries also so you can't even just get the parts Imported.
@3:40
42. The answer to life, the universe and anything...
and PS4 stacking 👍😂🤣
greetings from "Douglas Adams"
Great initiative!!
Steve you are so weird😂 I LOVE IT!♥️
How so?
@@Tronicsfix cause you Stack PS4s in the Sun to give a shout out to the right to repair movement. Sooo good! Wasnt meant in any negative way or some😊
Fight for right to repair
If there was any chance to repair those ps4’s before, there’s definitely none now 🤣
Idk, PlayStations can be quite robust. Don't ask me how I had to find that out 😭
@@motheraiya lmaoooo