It's been a few weeks, but I'm back with some JUICY Darth Nihilus content! I've been building up a BIG list of content ideas that I want to tackle, and if you have any ideas let me know in the comments below! Also, come follow me on Twitter! - twitter.com/100PerStarWars
Would love to see a video on Bao Dur's ambiguous fate at the end of the game; why does he disappear during the sith assault on citadel station and Telos and make no more physical appearances in the game? Does he die helping HK-47 reach the droid factory at the hands of the enemy, or did he actually survive? (Since HK succeeds in his mission to infiltrate it; it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they split up and Bao Dur was able to slip away just like he did when Czerka initially captured him just before the Exile first arrives on Telos' surface) If he does survive, why does Bao Dur leave his remote onboard the Ebon Hawk with a pre-recorded hologram to repurpose the mass shadow generator using crashed ships to destroy Malachor V, rather than going and doing it himself? Are the thoughts of Bao Dur that the Exile hears during the final journey to Malachor Bao Dur's actual thoughts from wherever he is, (And if he is dead, is he a force ghost?) or is it an echo of Bao Dur left behind on the ship that he spent so much of the game repairing? (Since Bao Dur is also revealed to be force sensitive, the idea that he has the power to create echos like the Exile is really fascinating to me) Alternatively is Bao Dur's voice essentially used as the Exile's conscience in that scene; it's the Exile talking themselves into returning to the scene of genocide and trauma, because they knew Bao Dur would have wanted them to do it. I also wonder how Bao Dur knew about Kreia's plan; he was always aware that the Exile could read his thoughts and it seems the fact that Kreia is unable to read his is an intentional thought shield/block on his part by essentially thinking in a code that Kreia mistakes for an alien language; similar to how Atton shields his thoughts. I always interpreted it that Bao Dur fully trusts the Exile and allows them to read his thoughts, (And indeed senses when the Exile is reading them) whereas he absolutely does not trust Kreia at all. Bao Dur states in his hologram that the Exile suspects the sith are striking from Malachor V, and by the time the Jedi Masters have gathered on Dantooine, Bao Dur seems to have pieced together Kreia's plan and begs the Exile to allow him to stop it.
@@GeriatricFan1963 Originally he was going to die on Citadel Station during Nihilus's attack on the planet as a heroic sacrifice to allow the Exile to reach the Ravager which is why Bao-Dur plays no part in the following events. The remote would them follow the Exile into Malachor 5 and play Bao-Dur's final holorecording telling his final commands following his passing. Since the game was never finished Bao-Dur's fate was never explicitly shown leaving players in the dark as to his fate at the end of the game.
I know Star Wars is all about explaining every minute detail, but I personally found Nihilus' mystery to be way more menacing than any backstory I could conjure (though I do like your take).
The Jedi Exile and Darth Nihilus. Two indivuals with an extraordinary, almost superhuman will to live. But with two different solutions to survive. (Kind of sounds like Suzaku from Code Geass. But without the mind control.) I also lean on the side of him being a Jedi Revanchist. Although I guess you can still make an argument that he could have been a regular soldier with untapped Force powers. Kreia says that the power he uses only comes about through sheer instinct. So maybe that massive will to live resulted in this ability just bursting out of him in that moment of desperation.
Even though Darth Nihilus and Meetra Surik are alike being wounds in the force...yeah they are different. The Jedi council was afraid of Meetra's abilities and would turn on them and turn to the dark side. That's the major problem I have with KOTOR 2 that you can play light or dark side but according to the Star Wars lore because the Exile is a wound in the force she couldn't feel the lure of the Dark side
Would also add up with her saying that there are some abilities through the force which cannot be taught, when the player themselves drain the power of a Jedi Master.
I prefer to think Nihilus being an alter-ego force spirit of the Exile, the part of them that was separated when they severed the connection to the Force. KOTOR 2 is the Exile's journey to find themselves again and facing the consequences of their deed in the past. Fighting and conquering 'some form of yourself' fits that theme quite well.
100%. And considering the whole story is about consequences, trauma, and healing (or not healing), having him be a Sith who just became more evil would really take away from the writing
I've thought the same thing for years, and I even think that Nihilus and the exile shared a close force bond. I once even tried to write a story about Darth Nihilus' past and I sent it to you some years ago😂
I'd say there is more evidence that Nihlius was NEVER a force-user before Malachor. He had no idea how to use the Force, and was consuming the Force without realizing it. He was relying on instinct. Rather than being a perfect mirror to the Exile, I see him as the antithesis of the Exile - a Mandalorian foot soldier that was on Malachor's surface during that final battle, with the trauma of the MSG awakening his Force abilities as he refused to die (unlike the Exile, the Jedi general who cut herself off out of fear & necessity because of her Force bonds in order to survive). That's why he never joined in the Jedi Civil War & was basically an unknown until Kreia found him in the aftermath of the Jedi Civil War - until she found him, he was just a shadow of his former self, wandering the world and feeding on any survivors, beasts, & eventually Sith wanderers he came across. Likely like the Exile, he avoided contact with others (much like how even during the events of the game he is actively resisting giving into his hunger - seen by how the only planet he has actually destroyed was Kataar, where he is literally baited out by accident) until Kreia found him & taught him about his power (perhaps against his will, much like Sion. She had her goals, but he & Sion were her experiments on finding ways to destroy the Force as much as they were her students). Think of what Visas says about Nihlius when asked why he took her and showed her the world without the Force: that he believes he is doing GOOD by wiping out life and leaving calm, silent, orderly stillness in his wake, rather than the chaotic destruction life results in. That doesn't sound like your typical "reveling in their own power" Sith or otherwise evil person. That sounds like someone with PTSD who's gone insane from extensive isolation, torture & whatever desperate acts they were forced to do to survive (which I imagine going from a 'normal soldier' to 'eating the souls of the living in order to survive' is quite traumatic). Add on that the ONE thing he does in the game (besides send Visas after you & attack Telos after once again being baited; which he doesn't even consume immediately once he gets to Telos if I might add), is provide aid to Vaklu in breaking away from the Republic. The ONE thing he does, is basically just continue the fight of the Mandalorian Wars in a more 'diplomatic' way (aiding an old opponent of the Mandalorians in order to hurt the Republic), and even then he does so subtlety until the actual time of the battle, using minimal Force influence and instead just providing soldiers and some tamed beasts to help out. (I also headcanon that The Ravager that Nihlius commands is actually the Exile's ship from the Mandalorian Wars; a thematic reminder that the consequences of all of the Exile's past actions during the war are now properly coming home to roost).
My personal headcannon is that Nihilus was once a solider that the Exile fell in love with. He was aware that he was force sensitive before Melachor 5. After the Mass Shadow generator, he feed off the force of other survivors by accident. Slowly loosing his humanity as he learns to feed off the force on purpose. First out of necessity, than out of hunger.
While I agree he was most likely a Jedi before he transformed, I also think he could have still been a republic soldier, but one of the force-sensitive ones who perhaps knew a little of what he was, but lacked the training of the Jedi. He could have been like Atton; One of those who were earmarked by Revan for something more later on, before the Sith teachings began to spread through the ranks proper.
I do love that they deliberately kept Darth Nihilus' origins open for debate. I do agree that he could have been a Jedi who followed Revan to war and had unique abilities like Meetra Surik that allowed him to survive the activation of the Mass Shadow Generator. The fact he drained the life force of those around him in the aftermath of the traumatic event could indicate that there were other force users on the planet at the time of the activation, although he did have the ability to drain the life force from non force-sensitive individuals, as hinted by Visas Marr when she mentions that if he could not find force-sensitives to feed from in the battle of Telos IV that he would destroy Citadel Station, cleanse it of life and feed off its destruction instead. The other possibility is that he was either a Mandalorian or Republic soldier who was on the planet at the time of the Mass Shadow Generator's activation who was force-sensitive but unknowingly so to him and others around him. Acting on pure instinct he tapped into the dark side of the force to drain the lives of those around him to feed his hunger and temporarily ease his pain. It's explained that he lost "everything" in the war, including friends and family and as a Jedi he may have been less likely to have those attachments. As a foot soldier for either side in the war he would have definitely had friends and family members that he lost and that probably caused him to fall to the dark side and eventually come to be dependent on it continue to exist, despite in his case it ravaging his body to the extent he was forced to place his spirit in his mask and robes while his physical body wasted away.
Part of me wishes that rather than Nihilus being a man who lost his humanity at Malachor, instead he never existed prior to that moment, with the planet and the Mass Shadow Generator being what actually "birthed" him, with him in actual fact being the embodiment of Meetra's wound, a shadow of all that she had lost given form and driven by her ability to form deep connections warped by the wound leading him to exploit those connections and drain them, sustaining himself at the expense of those he connected with.
Amazing and great video my friend as always. I told you years back if you remember that from watching Darthycey's videos it showed a Jedi with 2 other companions fighting the Mandalorians on Malachor's surface. After the Mass Shadow Generator was activated these 3 Jedi somehow survived but one of them felt different and weak from the effects of the Mass Shadows and he drained the force from his friends because he had to feed his hunger. I compared what happened to Nihilus on Malachor V like a metamorphosis of Dr. Banner becoming the Hulk after being exposed to Gama rays
It would’ve been neato to explore Sion’s and Nihilus’ backstory in the game. I hope that the K.O.T.O.R.2 remake would be made, and along with cut content added in, and more.
Would have ruined their sense of delicious mystery though, not unlike the poor Reapers from Mass Effect. And even then, a remake is nowadays worth mocking, as we've seen in Aspyr.
I was watching Nihilus videos this week, its interesting to see that you made this video today😎 nice to see understanding brought to the origin to his backstory/ Origin. Fred/K.S
In DarthYcey’s Trilogy, they portrayed Nihilus as a Jedi who was a victim of the Mass Shadow Generator. Despite surviving, the super weapon utterly corrupted the man’s connection to the force, giving him the endless hunger he has today.
Before the exile was confirmed canonically as female, I assumed Nihilus was a splinter of the exile's soul, and not a native of Malachor with a family.
It is pretty fascinating to think what kind of powers and abilities the True Sith would have had in the intended planned Kotor 3 game for them to be more horrific then Darth Nihilus. The kind of scale they would have been to terrify Revan and Malak and annihilated the Republic had they invaded they must have been unnatural dark wound so bad even more powerful then Palpatine ever been on the Expanded Universe even with Force storms. Something much much worse. If Ajunta Pall is to be believed whatever guided them was probably with these True Sith antagonists. Especially in the planned Kotor 3 beginning they would have overwhelmed the Exile's power. So whatever they were they were greater then Nihilus which would make sense if they were to annihilate the Old Republic had they invaded. They must have been near Abeloth's level and almost like the Forces of Chaos from 40k.
@@100StarWars don't give up, friend (or Kreia will burst into your room and give a 17-hour lecture on the importance of expanding your cognitive limits and passing on her teachings to your subscribers until your death)
When I was younger, I was convinced Nihilus had actually been a Mandalorian due to the Campaign Guide's phrasing of having lost his loved ones, which a Jedi theoretically wouldn't have had
That's an interesting point... Perhaps the mask is all that remains of a nod to being a mandalorian, though I'd expect more mandalorian relics in his outfit design than just a mask which isn't really that much of a mandalorian mask at all,
@@BrD4GOD Yea, plus a lot of Jedi fail the no attachments rule anyway. Especially ones which ignore the will of the council and go off fighting a war that the council isn't in favor of doing.
For a Jedi a friend or Jedi companion is considered a loved one, so no that does not necesarily mean that he was a mandalorian , also if that was the case he also could have been a republic soldier that follow Revan similar to Carth .
Idk... he would have had to at least have been force sensitive. That's why I think he was a Jedi. Others say that he lost his friends instead of loved ones. He could have formed close bonds with fellow Jedi before tragedy struck and took that all away from him.
Yeah this makes the most sense. I'd speculate that he's related with Meetra somehow too but that'd make the galaxy seem small and Meetra would have sensed something if that was the case. Although with Jedi raised from birth there's a chance they'd be separated and they wouldn't know about each other, so it's plausible. If he were female I'd consider the possibility of him being Vima Sunrider since she trained Meetra and knew of her innate ability to create Force bonds. Perhaps that training would have gone both ways or Vima also had similar abilities. Annoyingly Vima just disappears from canon due to licensing so there's no indication what happened to her after the Mandalorian Wars.
Do you have any information on how Visas survived the destruction of Katarr and why did Nihilus made her his slave? Or what's the deal with those "zombie" officers on the Ravager's bridge? Also, in my head I had this thought that Nihilus could be one of the Jedi we saw in the Kotor comics. Not likely, but I like the idea of it. :D
How did she survive? I don't know. However I think I have a good understanding of why he spared her, when he found her on the surface of the now wasteland planet, he was reminded of himself and his traumatic past and what he had gone through on Malachor V, everything around him was dead after the mass shadow generator went off, but he was left alive and traumatized all alone, having lost those close to him and all that was dear to him. When Nihilus saw Visas, he was also seeing his past self. Thus, he maybe spared her out of the little pity and empathy that was left within Darth Nihilus.
@@sisigs4820 You know, your explanation just gave me an idea. Maybe the "how did she survive?" is the exact reason Nihilus took her with him. What happened to Visas is similar to what happened to Nihilus, yet she didn't become that lifeforce-hungry monster Nihilus was. Perhaps he kept her around in the hopes of finding out how he might be able to make his hunger stop and revert back to who he once was. What do you think?
The tragedy of Nihilus comes when you remember how Force bonds occur: through empathy. The Exile's talent for Force bonds wasn't just a magic power. It was an outgrowth of her natural ability to connect to people, to forge strong relationships, to understand them on a deep level. This manifested in the Force as actual metaphysical bonds. Nihilus was likely quite similar; friendly, empathetic, compassionate. The bonds that he forged with various Jedi and soldiers were strong because he cared deeply for them, and they for him. This is why I don't believe that Nihilus had fallen to the Dark Side by the time of the battle, or else those deaths wouldn't have had such a titanic impact on his soul. His own compassion and love destroyed him. Darth Nihilus, much like Darth Revan and Darth Vader, was all the more monstrous because he was originally a good man and probably a great Jedi. When people try to write Nihilus as having been evil all along, they rather miss the point, in my opinion.
I'd rather say he was a good man & great mandalorian, rather than a great Jedi. Hell, perhaps Mira was even his child and they were both mandalorian slaves-made-willing soldiers.
I like this idea. Whenever I hear about him consuming the survivor of the cataclysm in my head I always see it as being a moment of complete horror for him, but being unable to stop.
Kreia once said that Malachor was a thing of the dark side but it was fueled by war, so when the mass shadow generator went off Nihilus was on the surface of the battle and was hit by the weapon making him fall to the dark side either before he woke or afterwards, cause why would a Jedi wanna drain the life of another survivor, so he did so in order to make his memories fade away, due to a mix of the weapon and the planet making him fall to the dark side
I like this theory a lot but I'd like to think he was already a dark sider before the final battle at Malachor V while Meela Sutrik was closer to light side... making them opposite sides of the same coin even at the final battle of the Mandolorian Wars
My thoughts on Darth Nihilus were always that part of the horror of what he was, is that it honestly didn’t matter who he was before. He had become a transcendent thing, a living wound in the Force that felt nothing but hunger and spoke in terrible tongues. The kind of being that’s more of a creature now, a straight up monster born of the Dark Side. But before that he was anybody. An average person in the war. He could’ve been a Jedi, maybe a Sith, maybe even a Mandalorian. Or a simple resident of Malachor who had the misfortune to be there on the day of the Battle. But the activation of the Mass Shadow Generator by the Exile transformed him, against his will, into a malevolent beast that, unlike the Exile who forms bonds with others, consumes others as fuel for the abomination. We never learned his name, because before, nobody knew it. And after, when you speak his name he senses you through the Force like Sauron. If Vader is more machine than man, Nihilus is more monster, he no longer even has a body, just a haunted set of robes and a mask now. He’s as I understand it a very literal embodiment of the Exile’s past sins, and it was only the Exile who could defeat him. Darth Nihilus is the ghosts of the countless, nameless thousands she casually murdered.
Funny how all the blame goes to the Exile/Meetra but not Revan who gave the order and was the true mastermind behind the genocide which took place there. The Force sure is picky on who to curse with Force Wound nonsense while outright sparing the one who actually deserved it.
Oh the blame goes to both of them, and to many others. But it was the Exile who made the call and who bears the bulk of it. Followed as you pointed out by Revan, who was punished for that crime and many others.
@@arbington "Punished" by not turning into a Force Wound, going on to become a badass Emperor of his own Empire and eventually get married and have baby with Bastila before living 300 years and partake in cool MMO action to finally kick Tenebrae's butt. Compare that to the Exile's arc in KotOR 2 and The Old Republic and Revan was NEVER "punished" the way the Exile was.
Did you play the first game? Or the second? Or the MMO? The Exile turned themselves in before Revan’s Sith Empire was established, the only renegade Jedi to surrender after the Mandalorian Wars. She had already cut herself off from the Force of her own accord, a punishment of her own guilty conscience’s making. Revan did indeed go on to wage war against the Republic, before being betrayed and captured, and having his memories wiped. After that, sure he did regain his memories and sense of self, but it wasn’t some planned part of the punishment, his intended fate was to die in obscurity. The fact that he overcame his inner darkness and came back to the light isn’t unfair, it’s the whole plot of the first game. Just as Meetra overcoming the scars of her past is the plot of her game. It sounds though like you mistakenly think Revan’s life was a grand parade from then on. He was imprisoned by a malevolent Emperor for hundreds of years, the Emperor’s thoughts twisting and commingling with his own, only to die shortly after being freed and then not know a moment of peace even in death, as his soul itself was split in two. That life honestly sucks major ass, no matter how much one values looking badass and being horny for Bastila.
@@arbington Super wall of text just to tell what i already _know._ Revan got celebrated as a hero following the Jedi Civil War, had happy time with Bastila, had a kid, then spent 300 years in an immortal state and finally killed Tenebrae once and for all. The Exile became a Force Wound, went back to the Council to face judgement, spent 5 or so years hiding around planets, came back for KotOR 2 and then *died* like nothing while Revan enjoyed a far happier life in comparison. It don't take a rocket scientist to know Revan got off far better than the poor Exile.
Conspiracy theory - Nihilus IS the exile. He is the force that was stripped from her at Malachor V, all the pain and suffering she supposedly turned away from. It manifested into Nihilus
I said this before I'll say it again The Mandalorian Wars should be a TV show series.... Seeing the rise of Revan and Alek and their slow turn to the dark side. Kotor 1/2 should be a trilogy movie saga totally disregard everything related to SWTOR and just continue from Chris Avellone's vision in the 2nd game
The concept of a wound in the force being created through mass instant loss and death has only been portrayed through light side figures being affected. Meetra and Nihilus (the latter turning to the dark side). It makes me wonder if and how it would affect an already darksider if at all. Another similar case is the destruction of Alderaan. Could a similar wound in the Force have been created from that? The only Force sensitives known at that site was Vader and Leia. As Vader was a Sith it might not create a wound, but had Leia been more adept could it have affected her. Although part of the requirements is to posses the unique Force bond power, I wonder if it’d still have been possible by Alderaan.
Damn. As a Kid, teenager and later on, I've played KOTOR 2 about 12 different times. I never got or understood at any point that the jedi exile was born of the force wound. Everything about the force wound always got confusing to me.
Maybe Nihilus and the Exile were the same person before Malachor, where the trauma from the Mass Shadow Generator resulted in the Exile cutting part of herself off?
Considering how many that followed Revan and Malak to, and directly after the Mandalorian wars. And that Revan would do what was needed to succeed in battle when it came to Malachor V, surely there would be followers of his left behind after the MSG was activated. Its relatively obvious conclusion as to Nihlus’ origins really. No arguments here.
i dont think he was a force sensitive, but a mere citizen in who the wound manifested itself, like randomly, wounds in the force have nothing to do with force sensitivity, becouse its the force who chooses the host in which to manifest itself, for example, even if it wasnt a wound, the force manifested itself in Shmee skywalker creating anakin, so it can also manifest itself amplified by a million in case of a wound into another non sensitive which was nihilus
My head cannon is that Nihlus is made up all of the Malachor survivors. One man might have initiated the force cannibalism but the thing behind the mask is made of everyone who couldn't turn away.
Idk about this one. He was always being referred to as one man who is a wound in the force. That in order for him to live he must consume. Seems to me like one man figured out a way to live through the pain in one of the darkest ways possible. Not many people inside of one body but one big wound in the force through one man. The wording is hard here but your point makes less sense to me based on what the game says.
@@treadlightly76 I think you're right there on that one man. Lol I think Disney suffered the worst since they are pretty much paralyzed in the writers room since. Lol
Keep him darkly ambiguous if not enigmatic. If you catch my drift, we need more FreeSpace Shivans and Babylon 5 Shadows, NOT Mass Effect Reapers and maybe even The Witcher's Wild Hunt. Explanations are nice, but they shockingly contribute to a lot of storytelling pathos getting undone and also epicness aversion.
@@100StarWars ooo this is gonna be difficult than I originally thought it would Bc I wanted my Fanon Jedi Master to also have that ability except he forms bonds with all his masters even the ones whom are temporary like Colin Drallig and My Fanon Jedi Master Does have a lot of masters but unfortunately they all die either prior to/during the clone wars and Order 66
It's still possible, maybe instead of creating perfect bonds like the Exile (which leads to death) your character has a slightly more mild form that causes unbelievable pain, or maybe even unconsciousness when severed. It could be a good way to bring about some extreme temporary debuffs, which could really up the stakes for your character during order 66.
@@KorriTimigan thanks for all that I will consider this he survives order 66 all the way up to the New Republic Era and helps Luke Rebuild the Jedi Order as one of the 3 Jedi Grand Masters
Can someone explain in what way the Exile was a Wound in the Force? I get how it happened, but not the fallout. Yes she cuts herself off from the Force, but other Force users have also done that, so it's not unique to her. It just seems like she suffers no ill consequence for being a Living Wound, unlike Nihilus who has to consume the Force just to keep himself together
That's her whole point of the character arc and why she makes sense with what Treya was trying to do. The thing that makes her different is that the Exile survived the exile process. Everyone else would've died or never regained full memory if they were strong enough. Being disconnected from the force was basically a death sentence. Idk if I'm answering your question. I think it was the ability to make force bonds with the others. The force bonding is what Treya wanted to spread that wound everywhere. Idk exactly how the wound is but Treya could detect it within the Exile. She wanted the force itself to die because she hated the force. For some reason due to her past, being cut off and such, she somehow disconnected herself from it and killed it simeoultaneously. Nihilus was just consuming. The Exile killed it off completely somehow.
Basically when the mass shadow generators activated all the deaths and asufdering echoed out in the force and overwhelmed essentially everyone. Her and Nihilus are the only ones the survive such an event. They're two sides of the same coin. Darth Nihilus consumes the force energy of others in order to survive what happened to him. The exiles situation is similar except she acc survived relatively unscathed since nihilus is being consumed by his hunger. The exile survived and doesn't have access to the force. She essentially a void, and the way she taps back into it is thru her ability to forge strong force bonds very quickly drawing ppl to her. And these bonds are what makes her able to access the force even tho she's technically deaf to it. The reason the exile was important was cos kreia wanted the exiles wound to be amplified at the core of malachor in order to deafen the entire galaxy so that all the wars and suffering that spring from the force and the jedi/sith who harness it can come to an end.
@@BrD4GOD Well that part of "Everyone else would've died " is debatable, i think that other characters that were capable of cutting themselves of the force might also been able to do the same as Meetra if they were enconter under the same circuntances .
When the Mass Shadow Generator was activated, hundreds of thousands of people (including many Jedi) died in excrucriating pain. Their agonised screams actually damaged the Force, turning Malachor V into a nightmare. The Sith studied that and derived special Force techniques against which there was no defence. That's how the Sith assassins killed so many Jedi, and how Kreia murdered three Jedi Masters at once with such ease. Nihilus and the Exile were unique cases. They both had many strong Force bonds with soldiers and Jedi who died at Malachor V. As a result, when those people died, their screams, their horror and their agony were felt by Nihilus and the Exile, all at once. All of those screams ripped into their souls and their connections to the Force, damaging them, much like those screams damaged the Force itself. The Exile and Nihilus became wounds in the Force, just like Malachor V. The Exile reacted by instinctively tearing herself away from the Force entirely. Her soul was still horribly damaged, and she still bore those screams inside her, but without the Force, she was numb, deafened. It saved her, though at an enormous cost. Nihilus, by contrast, was consumed by all that pain. His connection to the Force became diseased; now, he was in constant unbearable agony, unable to escape the horror that he felt at Malachor. The only thing eased his duffering was consuming life, preferably Force-sensitive life, to fill the void that those screams created. The Exile regained a connection to the Force through a Force bond with Kreia, effectively bypassing her own damaged connection to the Force. It wasn't a perfect solution. Those screams still lingered in her soul, so the Exile still unknowingly fed on the people around her, strengthening her and drawing them to her. It was just less potent because the Exile could only touch the Force through Kreia, and because she resisted the temptation to succumb to the Dark Side and her own unconscious hunger. Given how powerful she became in a short space of time, it's impossible to know what would've happened in the long term. She may have eventually become a monster like Nihilus, or something even worse. Kreia hoped that the Exile could eventually destroy the Force itself. Of course, when the Exile destroyed what was left of Malachor V, she healed the wound in the Force that she created all those years ago. That catharsis healed her own trauma, restoring her connection to the Force, finally silencing those screams in her soul.
No one else has ever cut themselves off from the Force in Star Wars canon nor Legends. Others have closed themselves off to the Force, or had the Force forcibly locked off to them by others, but only the Exile ever forcibly cut THEMSELVES off. When such happened, she should have presumably died from the shock, but she didn't. She essentially ripped out her soul/brain/heart (whatever vital organ/aspect you want to point to) and kept living in spite of that. And she did suffer severe consequences from this - she is no longer connected to the Force (meaning no Force ghost - the TOR MMO being a non-canon retcon as a result). That means it & she can't influence each other (hence her losing all her Force abilities despite still known how to use them; hence why the game refers to her as "regaining" her powers instead of developing new ones the majority of the time). Her ability to use the Force in-game is directly a result of Kreia forging a Force Bond with her and feeding the Force into her that way - basically turning her into a Neutron Star to Nihlius's black hole. She has no ability to generate the Force herself, but once fed a bit, her innate ability to develop Force bonds was able to trigger and began latching onto every living thing she was around, causing a feed back loop (and also allowing her to absorb the Force from those she killed, also similar to Nihlius but without automatically draining their life by simply being near them). Due to her nature however, these Force bonds also influence everything she is bonded to, transmitting to everyone what she feels (for instance, if she were to die, everyone she's bonded to would feel that death, potentially dying as well). This includes "the echo of Malachor", which is the wound in the Force Malachor exhibits. Should that echo not be resolved, it will continue to reverberate louder off the Exile (due to her Force bonding and the feed back loop) and then reach everyone else the Exile is tied to (potentially cutting them off or killing them in the process, much like what happened to the Exile). Everyone & everything the Exile has ever interacted with since the Mandalorian Wars would essentially be forced to go through the Exile's situation where she cut themselves off.
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It's been a few weeks, but I'm back with some JUICY Darth Nihilus content! I've been building up a BIG list of content ideas that I want to tackle, and if you have any ideas let me know in the comments below! Also, come follow me on Twitter! - twitter.com/100PerStarWars
Would love to see a video on Bao Dur's ambiguous fate at the end of the game; why does he disappear during the sith assault on citadel station and Telos and make no more physical appearances in the game? Does he die helping HK-47 reach the droid factory at the hands of the enemy, or did he actually survive? (Since HK succeeds in his mission to infiltrate it; it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they split up and Bao Dur was able to slip away just like he did when Czerka initially captured him just before the Exile first arrives on Telos' surface)
If he does survive, why does Bao Dur leave his remote onboard the Ebon Hawk with a pre-recorded hologram to repurpose the mass shadow generator using crashed ships to destroy Malachor V, rather than going and doing it himself? Are the thoughts of Bao Dur that the Exile hears during the final journey to Malachor Bao Dur's actual thoughts from wherever he is, (And if he is dead, is he a force ghost?) or is it an echo of Bao Dur left behind on the ship that he spent so much of the game repairing? (Since Bao Dur is also revealed to be force sensitive, the idea that he has the power to create echos like the Exile is really fascinating to me) Alternatively is Bao Dur's voice essentially used as the Exile's conscience in that scene; it's the Exile talking themselves into returning to the scene of genocide and trauma, because they knew Bao Dur would have wanted them to do it.
I also wonder how Bao Dur knew about Kreia's plan; he was always aware that the Exile could read his thoughts and it seems the fact that Kreia is unable to read his is an intentional thought shield/block on his part by essentially thinking in a code that Kreia mistakes for an alien language; similar to how Atton shields his thoughts. I always interpreted it that Bao Dur fully trusts the Exile and allows them to read his thoughts, (And indeed senses when the Exile is reading them) whereas he absolutely does not trust Kreia at all. Bao Dur states in his hologram that the Exile suspects the sith are striking from Malachor V, and by the time the Jedi Masters have gathered on Dantooine, Bao Dur seems to have pieced together Kreia's plan and begs the Exile to allow him to stop it.
@@GeriatricFan1963 Originally he was going to die on Citadel Station during Nihilus's attack on the planet as a heroic sacrifice to allow the Exile to reach the Ravager which is why Bao-Dur plays no part in the following events. The remote would them follow the Exile into Malachor 5 and play Bao-Dur's final holorecording telling his final commands following his passing. Since the game was never finished Bao-Dur's fate was never explicitly shown leaving players in the dark as to his fate at the end of the game.
I know Star Wars is all about explaining every minute detail, but I personally found Nihilus' mystery to be way more menacing than any backstory I could conjure (though I do like your take).
The Jedi Exile and Darth Nihilus. Two indivuals with an extraordinary, almost superhuman will to live. But with two different solutions to survive. (Kind of sounds like Suzaku from Code Geass. But without the mind control.)
I also lean on the side of him being a Jedi Revanchist. Although I guess you can still make an argument that he could have been a regular soldier with untapped Force powers. Kreia says that the power he uses only comes about through sheer instinct. So maybe that massive will to live resulted in this ability just bursting out of him in that moment of desperation.
I so need to rewatch Code Geass, the alt-universe movies included.
Even though Darth Nihilus and Meetra Surik are alike being wounds in the force...yeah they are different. The Jedi council was afraid of Meetra's abilities and would turn on them and turn to the dark side. That's the major problem I have with KOTOR 2 that you can play light or dark side but according to the Star Wars lore because the Exile is a wound in the force she couldn't feel the lure of the Dark side
@@georgesuarez8325but she still can be selfish person who's dont trust in the Republic or Jedi.
Would also add up with her saying that there are some abilities through the force which cannot be taught, when the player themselves drain the power of a Jedi Master.
I prefer to think Nihilus being an alter-ego force spirit of the Exile, the part of them that was separated when they severed the connection to the Force. KOTOR 2 is the Exile's journey to find themselves again and facing the consequences of their deed in the past. Fighting and conquering 'some form of yourself' fits that theme quite well.
He was just a man behind the mask.
I don't understand how people think he was a sith beforehand as that would break a bit of the dichotomy between the exile and Nihilus
100%. And considering the whole story is about consequences, trauma, and healing (or not healing), having him be a Sith who just became more evil would really take away from the writing
Anyone who thinks that simply has no understanding of the lore.
Agreed.
I've thought the same thing for years, and I even think that Nihilus and the exile shared a close force bond. I once even tried to write a story about Darth Nihilus' past and I sent it to you some years ago😂
Mind throwing that story up on archive of our own or something and posting a link so I could read it?
@@beskamir5977 well, I wrote it many years ago and I don't know if it holds up to good standards. Maybe I'll try to rewrite it.
Shouldn't you know your own past? 😮
@@lordnihilus3198 I'm sure it's fine even if you think it's bad.
I'd like to read it 🙂
I'd say there is more evidence that Nihlius was NEVER a force-user before Malachor. He had no idea how to use the Force, and was consuming the Force without realizing it. He was relying on instinct.
Rather than being a perfect mirror to the Exile, I see him as the antithesis of the Exile - a Mandalorian foot soldier that was on Malachor's surface during that final battle, with the trauma of the MSG awakening his Force abilities as he refused to die (unlike the Exile, the Jedi general who cut herself off out of fear & necessity because of her Force bonds in order to survive). That's why he never joined in the Jedi Civil War & was basically an unknown until Kreia found him in the aftermath of the Jedi Civil War - until she found him, he was just a shadow of his former self, wandering the world and feeding on any survivors, beasts, & eventually Sith wanderers he came across. Likely like the Exile, he avoided contact with others (much like how even during the events of the game he is actively resisting giving into his hunger - seen by how the only planet he has actually destroyed was Kataar, where he is literally baited out by accident) until Kreia found him & taught him about his power (perhaps against his will, much like Sion. She had her goals, but he & Sion were her experiments on finding ways to destroy the Force as much as they were her students).
Think of what Visas says about Nihlius when asked why he took her and showed her the world without the Force: that he believes he is doing GOOD by wiping out life and leaving calm, silent, orderly stillness in his wake, rather than the chaotic destruction life results in. That doesn't sound like your typical "reveling in their own power" Sith or otherwise evil person. That sounds like someone with PTSD who's gone insane from extensive isolation, torture & whatever desperate acts they were forced to do to survive (which I imagine going from a 'normal soldier' to 'eating the souls of the living in order to survive' is quite traumatic).
Add on that the ONE thing he does in the game (besides send Visas after you & attack Telos after once again being baited; which he doesn't even consume immediately once he gets to Telos if I might add), is provide aid to Vaklu in breaking away from the Republic. The ONE thing he does, is basically just continue the fight of the Mandalorian Wars in a more 'diplomatic' way (aiding an old opponent of the Mandalorians in order to hurt the Republic), and even then he does so subtlety until the actual time of the battle, using minimal Force influence and instead just providing soldiers and some tamed beasts to help out.
(I also headcanon that The Ravager that Nihlius commands is actually the Exile's ship from the Mandalorian Wars; a thematic reminder that the consequences of all of the Exile's past actions during the war are now properly coming home to roost).
I’ve always thought he was the yang to the exiles ying. But this really opens it up for me. Great video
My personal headcannon is that Nihilus was once a solider that the Exile fell in love with. He was aware that he was force sensitive before Melachor 5. After the Mass Shadow generator, he feed off the force of other survivors by accident. Slowly loosing his humanity as he learns to feed off the force on purpose. First out of necessity, than out of hunger.
While I agree he was most likely a Jedi before he transformed, I also think he could have still been a republic soldier, but one of the force-sensitive ones who perhaps knew a little of what he was, but lacked the training of the Jedi. He could have been like Atton; One of those who were earmarked by Revan for something more later on, before the Sith teachings began to spread through the ranks proper.
Very possible!
This channel is always asking the right questions. Very nice work.
I appreciate that!
I do love that they deliberately kept Darth Nihilus' origins open for debate. I do agree that he could have been a Jedi who followed Revan to war and had unique abilities like Meetra Surik that allowed him to survive the activation of the Mass Shadow Generator. The fact he drained the life force of those around him in the aftermath of the traumatic event could indicate that there were other force users on the planet at the time of the activation, although he did have the ability to drain the life force from non force-sensitive individuals, as hinted by Visas Marr when she mentions that if he could not find force-sensitives to feed from in the battle of Telos IV that he would destroy Citadel Station, cleanse it of life and feed off its destruction instead.
The other possibility is that he was either a Mandalorian or Republic soldier who was on the planet at the time of the Mass Shadow Generator's activation who was force-sensitive but unknowingly so to him and others around him. Acting on pure instinct he tapped into the dark side of the force to drain the lives of those around him to feed his hunger and temporarily ease his pain. It's explained that he lost "everything" in the war, including friends and family and as a Jedi he may have been less likely to have those attachments. As a foot soldier for either side in the war he would have definitely had friends and family members that he lost and that probably caused him to fall to the dark side and eventually come to be dependent on it continue to exist, despite in his case it ravaging his body to the extent he was forced to place his spirit in his mask and robes while his physical body wasted away.
Part of me wishes that rather than Nihilus being a man who lost his humanity at Malachor, instead he never existed prior to that moment, with the planet and the Mass Shadow Generator being what actually "birthed" him, with him in actual fact being the embodiment of Meetra's wound, a shadow of all that she had lost given form and driven by her ability to form deep connections warped by the wound leading him to exploit those connections and drain them, sustaining himself at the expense of those he connected with.
That's a very interesting concept! I think it would've worked equally well.
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Amazing and great video my friend as always. I told you years back if you remember that from watching Darthycey's videos it showed a Jedi with 2 other companions fighting the Mandalorians on Malachor's surface. After the Mass Shadow Generator was activated these 3 Jedi somehow survived but one of them felt different and weak from the effects of the Mass Shadows and he drained the force from his friends because he had to feed his hunger. I compared what happened to Nihilus on Malachor V like a metamorphosis of Dr. Banner becoming the Hulk after being exposed to Gama rays
Kreia says something along the lines of 'Nihilius lost his people at Malachor' which has always lead me to believe he was a Mandalorian.
I don't recall that line personally.
It would’ve been neato to explore Sion’s and Nihilus’ backstory in the game.
I hope that the K.O.T.O.R.2 remake would be made, and along with cut content added in, and more.
Would have ruined their sense of delicious mystery though, not unlike the poor Reapers from Mass Effect.
And even then, a remake is nowadays worth mocking, as we've seen in Aspyr.
You're very optimistic about a remake happening, let's hope the first one comes out to begin with 😅
The galaxies greatest nihilist.
I was watching Nihilus videos this week, its interesting to see that you made this video today😎
nice to see understanding brought to the origin to his backstory/ Origin.
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If Zayne Carrick from the KOTOR comic book series became Darth Nihilus, I would be soooooooo unhappy.
He is actually one of the more popular choices. That, or one of his friends.
is it not possible he was a mandalorian? Would've been a interesting dichotomy if he was.
It would be interesting indeed!
It's doubtful because he would have been a force sensitive.
@@sisigs4820 Mandalorians can be force sensitive
In DarthYcey’s Trilogy, they portrayed Nihilus as a Jedi who was a victim of the Mass Shadow Generator. Despite surviving, the super weapon utterly corrupted the man’s connection to the force, giving him the endless hunger he has today.
I can honestly never get enough of Kotor II lore. Keep em comin!
Before the exile was confirmed canonically as female, I assumed Nihilus was a splinter of the exile's soul, and not a native of Malachor with a family.
That would've been a curious twist!
It is pretty fascinating to think what kind of powers and abilities the True Sith would have had in the intended planned Kotor 3 game for them to be more horrific then Darth Nihilus. The kind of scale they would have been to terrify Revan and Malak and annihilated the Republic had they invaded they must have been unnatural dark wound so bad even more powerful then Palpatine ever been on the Expanded Universe even with Force storms.
Something much much worse. If Ajunta Pall is to be believed whatever guided them was probably with these True Sith antagonists.
Especially in the planned Kotor 3 beginning they would have overwhelmed the Exile's power. So whatever they were they were greater then Nihilus which would make sense if they were to annihilate the Old Republic had they invaded.
They must have been near Abeloth's level and almost like the Forces of Chaos from 40k.
Remember, Traya could have been an instructor of Revan (depending on canon) which explains so much.
Kreia outright says that Revan was her Padawan, if memory serves.
It's strongly inferred that she is Arren Kae.
"I'm a Hutt in human disguise, trying to take over the Republic."
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Revan to Bastila Shan, KotOR I
The greatest plot twist would be if this were true and not a joke!
@@100StarWars Lol, ikr?! Savage line that, ngl, I had a hard time not choosing on every playthrough (Light or Dark) 😂
I missed this! Thank you!
Welcome back! Great stuff as always, but I do wish we would have gotten more on Nihilus, maybe in KOTOR 3?
Don't we all :((
I like how after all these years you still find new topics to cover regarding a duo of 20 year old games.
I will admit it's getting harder and harder 😂
@@100StarWars don't give up, friend (or Kreia will burst into your room and give a 17-hour lecture on the importance of expanding your cognitive limits and passing on her teachings to your subscribers until your death)
Legend has it his name was Jedi bob
I haven’t played K.O.T.O.R.2 + Restored Content Mod for a good minute (I think it was May?) but it was so neato.
Love the video. Thank you for the Star Wars knowledge.
When I was younger, I was convinced Nihilus had actually been a Mandalorian due to the Campaign Guide's phrasing of having lost his loved ones, which a Jedi theoretically wouldn't have had
That's an interesting point... Perhaps the mask is all that remains of a nod to being a mandalorian, though I'd expect more mandalorian relics in his outfit design than just a mask which isn't really that much of a mandalorian mask at all,
Losing your allies in the horrors of war could be a deep scarring moment for even a jedi.
@@BrD4GOD Yea, plus a lot of Jedi fail the no attachments rule anyway. Especially ones which ignore the will of the council and go off fighting a war that the council isn't in favor of doing.
For a Jedi a friend or Jedi companion is considered a loved one, so no that does not necesarily mean that he was a mandalorian , also if that was the case he also could have been a republic soldier that follow Revan similar to Carth .
Idk... he would have had to at least have been force sensitive. That's why I think he was a Jedi. Others say that he lost his friends instead of loved ones. He could have formed close bonds with fellow Jedi before tragedy struck and took that all away from him.
just recently beat the game for the 7th time this year. it never ceases to amaze me.
You and me both sir.
I know this is 8 days ago and I seen the other two after this one. But you got a new sub my friend.
Yeah this makes the most sense. I'd speculate that he's related with Meetra somehow too but that'd make the galaxy seem small and Meetra would have sensed something if that was the case. Although with Jedi raised from birth there's a chance they'd be separated and they wouldn't know about each other, so it's plausible.
If he were female I'd consider the possibility of him being Vima Sunrider since she trained Meetra and knew of her innate ability to create Force bonds. Perhaps that training would have gone both ways or Vima also had similar abilities. Annoyingly Vima just disappears from canon due to licensing so there's no indication what happened to her after the Mandalorian Wars.
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Do you have any information on how Visas survived the destruction of Katarr and why did Nihilus made her his slave? Or what's the deal with those "zombie" officers on the Ravager's bridge?
Also, in my head I had this thought that Nihilus could be one of the Jedi we saw in the Kotor comics. Not likely, but I like the idea of it. :D
I have a video on it from a few years ago!
How did she survive? I don't know. However I think I have a good understanding of why he spared her, when he found her on the surface of the now wasteland planet, he was reminded of himself and his traumatic past and what he had gone through on Malachor V, everything around him was dead after the mass shadow generator went off, but he was left alive and traumatized all alone, having lost those close to him and all that was dear to him. When Nihilus saw Visas, he was also seeing his past self. Thus, he maybe spared her out of the little pity and empathy that was left within Darth Nihilus.
@@100StarWars Thanks, I'm gonna check it out.
@@sisigs4820 You know, your explanation just gave me an idea. Maybe the "how did she survive?" is the exact reason Nihilus took her with him. What happened to Visas is similar to what happened to Nihilus, yet she didn't become that lifeforce-hungry monster Nihilus was. Perhaps he kept her around in the hopes of finding out how he might be able to make his hunger stop and revert back to who he once was. What do you think?
The tragedy of Nihilus comes when you remember how Force bonds occur: through empathy. The Exile's talent for Force bonds wasn't just a magic power. It was an outgrowth of her natural ability to connect to people, to forge strong relationships, to understand them on a deep level. This manifested in the Force as actual metaphysical bonds. Nihilus was likely quite similar; friendly, empathetic, compassionate. The bonds that he forged with various Jedi and soldiers were strong because he cared deeply for them, and they for him. This is why I don't believe that Nihilus had fallen to the Dark Side by the time of the battle, or else those deaths wouldn't have had such a titanic impact on his soul. His own compassion and love destroyed him.
Darth Nihilus, much like Darth Revan and Darth Vader, was all the more monstrous because he was originally a good man and probably a great Jedi. When people try to write Nihilus as having been evil all along, they rather miss the point, in my opinion.
I'd rather say he was a good man & great mandalorian, rather than a great Jedi. Hell, perhaps Mira was even his child and they were both mandalorian slaves-made-willing soldiers.
I like this idea. Whenever I hear about him consuming the survivor of the cataclysm in my head I always see it as being a moment of complete horror for him, but being unable to stop.
I like to think he is a dark reflection of the exile
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Nihilus was one of the very few people on the mass shadow generator, a republic soldier, when bao dur and surik activated it
He was on the planet itself
Kreia once said that Malachor was a thing of the dark side but it was fueled by war, so when the mass shadow generator went off Nihilus was on the surface of the battle and was hit by the weapon making him fall to the dark side either before he woke or afterwards, cause why would a Jedi wanna drain the life of another survivor, so he did so in order to make his memories fade away, due to a mix of the weapon and the planet making him fall to the dark side
I like this theory a lot but I'd like to think he was already a dark sider before the final battle at Malachor V while Meela Sutrik was closer to light side... making them opposite sides of the same coin even at the final battle of the Mandolorian Wars
My thoughts on Darth Nihilus were always that part of the horror of what he was, is that it honestly didn’t matter who he was before. He had become a transcendent thing, a living wound in the Force that felt nothing but hunger and spoke in terrible tongues. The kind of being that’s more of a creature now, a straight up monster born of the Dark Side. But before that he was anybody. An average person in the war. He could’ve been a Jedi, maybe a Sith, maybe even a Mandalorian. Or a simple resident of Malachor who had the misfortune to be there on the day of the Battle. But the activation of the Mass Shadow Generator by the Exile transformed him, against his will, into a malevolent beast that, unlike the Exile who forms bonds with others, consumes others as fuel for the abomination. We never learned his name, because before, nobody knew it. And after, when you speak his name he senses you through the Force like Sauron. If Vader is more machine than man, Nihilus is more monster, he no longer even has a body, just a haunted set of robes and a mask now. He’s as I understand it a very literal embodiment of the Exile’s past sins, and it was only the Exile who could defeat him. Darth Nihilus is the ghosts of the countless, nameless thousands she casually murdered.
Funny how all the blame goes to the Exile/Meetra but not Revan who gave the order and was the true mastermind behind the genocide which took place there. The Force sure is picky on who to curse with Force Wound nonsense while outright sparing the one who actually deserved it.
Oh the blame goes to both of them, and to many others. But it was the Exile who made the call and who bears the bulk of it. Followed as you pointed out by Revan, who was punished for that crime and many others.
@@arbington "Punished" by not turning into a Force Wound, going on to become a badass Emperor of his own Empire and eventually get married and have baby with Bastila before living 300 years and partake in cool MMO action to finally kick Tenebrae's butt. Compare that to the Exile's arc in KotOR 2 and The Old Republic and Revan was NEVER "punished" the way the Exile was.
Did you play the first game? Or the second? Or the MMO? The Exile turned themselves in before Revan’s Sith Empire was established, the only renegade Jedi to surrender after the Mandalorian Wars. She had already cut herself off from the Force of her own accord, a punishment of her own guilty conscience’s making. Revan did indeed go on to wage war against the Republic, before being betrayed and captured, and having his memories wiped. After that, sure he did regain his memories and sense of self, but it wasn’t some planned part of the punishment, his intended fate was to die in obscurity. The fact that he overcame his inner darkness and came back to the light isn’t unfair, it’s the whole plot of the first game. Just as Meetra overcoming the scars of her past is the plot of her game. It sounds though like you mistakenly think Revan’s life was a grand parade from then on. He was imprisoned by a malevolent Emperor for hundreds of years, the Emperor’s thoughts twisting and commingling with his own, only to die shortly after being freed and then not know a moment of peace even in death, as his soul itself was split in two. That life honestly sucks major ass, no matter how much one values looking badass and being horny for Bastila.
@@arbington Super wall of text just to tell what i already _know._
Revan got celebrated as a hero following the Jedi Civil War, had happy time with Bastila, had a kid, then spent 300 years in an immortal state and finally killed Tenebrae once and for all.
The Exile became a Force Wound, went back to the Council to face judgement, spent 5 or so years hiding around planets, came back for KotOR 2 and then *died* like nothing while Revan enjoyed a far happier life in comparison.
It don't take a rocket scientist to know Revan got off far better than the poor Exile.
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I personally believe Nihilus was once the twin Brother of Revan
They need to make a character like this for Star Wars movies and tv series
He was a Jedi named John.
Son of Nick
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Conspiracy theory - Nihilus IS the exile. He is the force that was stripped from her at Malachor V, all the pain and suffering she supposedly turned away from. It manifested into Nihilus
I said this before I'll say it again The Mandalorian Wars should be a TV show series.... Seeing the rise of Revan and Alek and their slow turn to the dark side. Kotor 1/2 should be a trilogy movie saga totally disregard everything related to SWTOR and just continue from Chris Avellone's vision in the 2nd game
I always assumed nihlus and sion were both jedi destroyed by the mandalorian war and malachor
The concept of a wound in the force being created through mass instant loss and death has only been portrayed through light side figures being affected. Meetra and Nihilus (the latter turning to the dark side). It makes me wonder if and how it would affect an already darksider if at all. Another similar case is the destruction of Alderaan. Could a similar wound in the Force have been created from that? The only Force sensitives known at that site was Vader and Leia. As Vader was a Sith it might not create a wound, but had Leia been more adept could it have affected her. Although part of the requirements is to posses the unique Force bond power, I wonder if it’d still have been possible by Alderaan.
The tragedy of darth nihilus.
@darthrevan1281 not often.
Damn. As a Kid, teenager and later on, I've played KOTOR 2 about 12 different times.
I never got or understood at any point that the jedi exile was born of the force wound.
Everything about the force wound always got confusing to me.
I have a big video about Kreia's Goals that talks about Force Wounds!
@@100StarWars Ooohh I'll have to check it out! ;D Thanks
Weird I just wondered this when I woke up this morning 🤣
I gotchu covered!
As your looking at the equip screen in kotor 2, which is the 'off hand'?
I can only imagine how powerful Jedi Exile would be if they fall to the darkside.
But Luke! It's so obvious that he was No Face (Kaonashi) from Spirited Away 😂
True true
Maybe Nihilus and the Exile were the same person before Malachor, where the trauma from the Mass Shadow Generator resulted in the Exile cutting part of herself off?
I've heard that before - it's a cool theory!
Can you make a video about the mass shadow generator? I’ve been looking on the channel and I can’t find a title of it
Interesting - thank you for the suggestion!
@@100StarWars your fighting the good fight sir!
Considering how many that followed Revan and Malak to, and directly after the Mandalorian wars. And that Revan would do what was needed to succeed in battle when it came to Malachor V, surely there would be followers of his left behind after the MSG was activated. Its relatively obvious conclusion as to Nihlus’ origins really. No arguments here.
Wouldn’t the Death Star destroying alderaan create a wound? Possibly attaching itself to leia, luke, Ben or Vader?
It was a wound in the force yes. It's why Obi-Wan could feel it.
i dont think he was a force sensitive, but a mere citizen in who the wound manifested itself, like randomly, wounds in the force have nothing to do with force sensitivity, becouse its the force who chooses the host in which to manifest itself, for example, even if it wasnt a wound, the force manifested itself in Shmee skywalker creating anakin, so it can also manifest itself amplified by a million in case of a wound into another non sensitive which was nihilus
There are those who think that it is Vitiate who used the wound on Malachor V to consume more planets for his immortality. Another body of the emperor
Interesting...
i thought it quite obvious he was a Jedi
My Theory: Nihilus was Darth Revan's Twin Brother
My head cannon is that Nihlus is made up all of the Malachor survivors. One man might have initiated the force cannibalism but the thing behind the mask is made of everyone who couldn't turn away.
Idk about this one. He was always being referred to as one man who is a wound in the force. That in order for him to live he must consume. Seems to me like one man figured out a way to live through the pain in one of the darkest ways possible. Not many people inside of one body but one big wound in the force through one man. The wording is hard here but your point makes less sense to me based on what the game says.
@@BrD4GODIt’s the side effect of watching anything from or connected to the Sequel Trilogy. Rots the brain meats.
@@treadlightly76 I think you're right there on that one man. Lol I think Disney suffered the worst since they are pretty much paralyzed in the writers room since. Lol
Keep him darkly ambiguous if not enigmatic. If you catch my drift, we need more FreeSpace Shivans and Babylon 5 Shadows, NOT Mass Effect Reapers and maybe even The Witcher's Wild Hunt.
Explanations are nice, but they shockingly contribute to a lot of storytelling pathos getting undone and also epicness aversion.
I like to think Nihilus and Meetra are siblings.
Wait if The Exile Forms these force bonds what happens if the other whom she formed a bond with dies?
Depends on the severity of the bond. With Kreia for example, they would die.
@@100StarWars ooo this is gonna be difficult than I originally thought it would Bc I wanted my Fanon Jedi Master to also have that ability except he forms bonds with all his masters even the ones whom are temporary like Colin Drallig and My Fanon Jedi Master Does have a lot of masters but unfortunately they all die either prior to/during the clone wars and Order 66
It's still possible, maybe instead of creating perfect bonds like the Exile (which leads to death) your character has a slightly more mild form that causes unbelievable pain, or maybe even unconsciousness when severed. It could be a good way to bring about some extreme temporary debuffs, which could really up the stakes for your character during order 66.
@@KorriTimigan thanks for all that I will consider this he survives order 66 all the way up to the New Republic Era and helps Luke Rebuild the Jedi Order as one of the 3 Jedi Grand Masters
Can someone explain in what way the Exile was a Wound in the Force? I get how it happened, but not the fallout. Yes she cuts herself off from the Force, but other Force users have also done that, so it's not unique to her. It just seems like she suffers no ill consequence for being a Living Wound, unlike Nihilus who has to consume the Force just to keep himself together
That's her whole point of the character arc and why she makes sense with what Treya was trying to do. The thing that makes her different is that the Exile survived the exile process. Everyone else would've died or never regained full memory if they were strong enough. Being disconnected from the force was basically a death sentence.
Idk if I'm answering your question.
I think it was the ability to make force bonds with the others. The force bonding is what Treya wanted to spread that wound everywhere. Idk exactly how the wound is but Treya could detect it within the Exile. She wanted the force itself to die because she hated the force. For some reason due to her past, being cut off and such, she somehow disconnected herself from it and killed it simeoultaneously.
Nihilus was just consuming. The Exile killed it off completely somehow.
Basically when the mass shadow generators activated all the deaths and asufdering echoed out in the force and overwhelmed essentially everyone. Her and Nihilus are the only ones the survive such an event. They're two sides of the same coin. Darth Nihilus consumes the force energy of others in order to survive what happened to him. The exiles situation is similar except she acc survived relatively unscathed since nihilus is being consumed by his hunger. The exile survived and doesn't have access to the force. She essentially a void, and the way she taps back into it is thru her ability to forge strong force bonds very quickly drawing ppl to her. And these bonds are what makes her able to access the force even tho she's technically deaf to it. The reason the exile was important was cos kreia wanted the exiles wound to be amplified at the core of malachor in order to deafen the entire galaxy so that all the wars and suffering that spring from the force and the jedi/sith who harness it can come to an end.
@@BrD4GOD Well that part of "Everyone else would've died " is debatable, i think that other characters that were capable of cutting themselves of the force might also been able to do the same as Meetra if they were enconter under the same circuntances .
When the Mass Shadow Generator was activated, hundreds of thousands of people (including many Jedi) died in excrucriating pain. Their agonised screams actually damaged the Force, turning Malachor V into a nightmare. The Sith studied that and derived special Force techniques against which there was no defence. That's how the Sith assassins killed so many Jedi, and how Kreia murdered three Jedi Masters at once with such ease.
Nihilus and the Exile were unique cases. They both had many strong Force bonds with soldiers and Jedi who died at Malachor V. As a result, when those people died, their screams, their horror and their agony were felt by Nihilus and the Exile, all at once. All of those screams ripped into their souls and their connections to the Force, damaging them, much like those screams damaged the Force itself. The Exile and Nihilus became wounds in the Force, just like Malachor V.
The Exile reacted by instinctively tearing herself away from the Force entirely. Her soul was still horribly damaged, and she still bore those screams inside her, but without the Force, she was numb, deafened. It saved her, though at an enormous cost.
Nihilus, by contrast, was consumed by all that pain. His connection to the Force became diseased; now, he was in constant unbearable agony, unable to escape the horror that he felt at Malachor. The only thing eased his duffering was consuming life, preferably Force-sensitive life, to fill the void that those screams created.
The Exile regained a connection to the Force through a Force bond with Kreia, effectively bypassing her own damaged connection to the Force. It wasn't a perfect solution. Those screams still lingered in her soul, so the Exile still unknowingly fed on the people around her, strengthening her and drawing them to her. It was just less potent because the Exile could only touch the Force through Kreia, and because she resisted the temptation to succumb to the Dark Side and her own unconscious hunger. Given how powerful she became in a short space of time, it's impossible to know what would've happened in the long term. She may have eventually become a monster like Nihilus, or something even worse. Kreia hoped that the Exile could eventually destroy the Force itself.
Of course, when the Exile destroyed what was left of Malachor V, she healed the wound in the Force that she created all those years ago. That catharsis healed her own trauma, restoring her connection to the Force, finally silencing those screams in her soul.
No one else has ever cut themselves off from the Force in Star Wars canon nor Legends. Others have closed themselves off to the Force, or had the Force forcibly locked off to them by others, but only the Exile ever forcibly cut THEMSELVES off. When such happened, she should have presumably died from the shock, but she didn't. She essentially ripped out her soul/brain/heart (whatever vital organ/aspect you want to point to) and kept living in spite of that.
And she did suffer severe consequences from this - she is no longer connected to the Force (meaning no Force ghost - the TOR MMO being a non-canon retcon as a result). That means it & she can't influence each other (hence her losing all her Force abilities despite still known how to use them; hence why the game refers to her as "regaining" her powers instead of developing new ones the majority of the time).
Her ability to use the Force in-game is directly a result of Kreia forging a Force Bond with her and feeding the Force into her that way - basically turning her into a Neutron Star to Nihlius's black hole. She has no ability to generate the Force herself, but once fed a bit, her innate ability to develop Force bonds was able to trigger and began latching onto every living thing she was around, causing a feed back loop (and also allowing her to absorb the Force from those she killed, also similar to Nihlius but without automatically draining their life by simply being near them).
Due to her nature however, these Force bonds also influence everything she is bonded to, transmitting to everyone what she feels (for instance, if she were to die, everyone she's bonded to would feel that death, potentially dying as well). This includes "the echo of Malachor", which is the wound in the Force Malachor exhibits. Should that echo not be resolved, it will continue to reverberate louder off the Exile (due to her Force bonding and the feed back loop) and then reach everyone else the Exile is tied to (potentially cutting them off or killing them in the process, much like what happened to the Exile). Everyone & everything the Exile has ever interacted with since the Mandalorian Wars would essentially be forced to go through the Exile's situation where she cut themselves off.
Imagine he was Carth
I’ve heard that he is zayne carrick but I’m not sure
Wasn't he a gizka? Or was it my headcanon?
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I just beat kotor 2
His name is Derek, but he thinks he's darth nihilus from star wars
Darth Nihilus? More like Darth Thirsty Boy!
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Sounds like a drug addiction
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This did not need to be 10 minutes long lol
it's entirely possible that Nihilus was a Jedi who went in as a relief worker after the mass shadow generator was activated
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