J L i think he jumped out of the window because that’s probably just instinct. i would jump out too because it would just seem natural after seeing the kind of stuff peter saw and went through. i feel like he wasn’t even thinking about killing himself right then because what he saw is still right in front of him and still raw in his brain
Seulgi In Neverland True. That's why the Golden Globes ironically awarded Get Out in the "comedy" category because there's no horror award. I think the last 20 minutes of this film disqualified it from any drama nominations. I still think Collete was robbed.
My darling, dear, beautiful Annie, Forgive me all the things I could not tell you. Please don't hate me and try not to despair your losses. You will see in the end that they were worth it. Our sacrifice will pale next to the rewards. Love, Mommy
Exactly. There’s members of the group she has her hooks in. In reality there is no-one Annie can trust even in such a meeting where she is baring her soul. For all we know that may be a cult meeting disguised as bereavement (or at least a recruiting ground).
When she tells all that series of horrible tragedies and ends the speech by saying "that was my mother's life" no honey, it was your life as well. This movie is so brilliant in placing the fact that all of our parents' struggles, tragedies and mistakes become our own as we grow up and become adults. We're burdened by weights we can't even comprehend or elaborate, because they become our own by proxy.
My mom can keep the grudges she holds against her brothers and sisters. I couldn't give two shits about any of them. I just hope she figures that out too. Blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb. You choose your own family
So basically Ellen attempted to place pamen inside of her son but he committed suicide before The Possession could actually take place, therefore she moved on to grandchildren but Annie refused to let her see Peter and therefore she devised a plan to temporarily place pamen inside of Charlie and release pamen from Charlie into Peter, every single thing that happened to this family was planned, Charlie's death was very strategic, and Joan's ritual was a way of convincing Annie to allow the possession of Peter
Ellen was a cult leader who entrusted Joan to carry out her plans even after she died. It all started with Ellen trying to have Paimon possess her husband and then her son and then her grandchildren. Annie believed this all to be hereditary mental illness until she learned her mother was a demonic cult leader. It shows the very real fear for Annie that she may have or will inherit her mother’s mental illness and poor parenting skills only to show that she was mistaken the entire time. It’s absolutely brilliant.
@@Robsonski96 Ellen loved King Paimon more than her family. Ellen was head over heels in love with King Paimon. She was so in love Ellen lost her head for King Paimon. Tough break for her family member's. She just roasted her son in-law.
Yep, that's why I find it notable. The Oscars are garbage, and this is just one of many examples of how meaningless those awards are. George C. Scott and Marlon Brando knew that, and I suppose one could say they were ahead of their time.
Toni was absolutely robbed for her Oscar nomination for this film. This entire film is severely underrated. This is the best horror film of our era hands down.
DEFINITELY severely underrated. This film will be (if not already) studied in film schools. I have no doubt of that. Toni Collette's performance is a rare thing to witness in film. I'd say the same about Alex Wolff to a large degree (who is definitely an actor with a very bright future ahead). But Toni's performance. What a magnum opus really. I'd think a little differently about how she was robbed, a few years ago, and just chalk it up to the Academy never being accepting of the Horror genre no matter what... But... then they put Get Out up for a Best Picture nomination. That broke a precedent. So why was Hereditary not even CONSIDERED for any awards the year after that? Soundtrack? Oscar worthy. Lead Actress? Oscar worthy. Cinematography? Oscar worthy. Screenplay? Oscar worthy. The Academy is a joke. But hasn't it always been? To this day I still LOVE that Marlon Brando and George C. Scott rejected their Oscars. Fuck the Academy. Especially after this non-consideration for one of the most intense well written and well filmed movies of our generation. Never mind it being a horror, how about all of the other technical aspects that made this movie a masterpiece?
sirpicksalot_ it’s unbelievable to think that critics loved “Us” but tore this film to shreds. While I love Lupita, I will be severely upset if she gets a nomination for Us which seems like a possibility. Oh and yes Alex Wolf’s performance was so so good. Hereditary goes beyond just a horror film and that’s what makes it so special. I loved that we are able to connect with the entire family so we ride that roller coaster right down into hell with them.
V I I’d have to disagree. I didn’t see anything ground breaking in Lupita’s performance. Us was very meh, but I do agree that horror is never appreciated during awards season. Hereditary being a prime example of that.
@@olyc8673 I figured the people at the support group were the cultists. They've been following her around for the whole movie. That's why they seem to have no empathy. Joan is even there, and as it's shown at the end of the film, she places Paimon's crown onto Peter.
@@dannydinosaur73 Annie's support group is technically the same group of people that dug out grandma's grave. So Steve wasn't wrong when he thought Annie went out for diggin the grave.
Having grown up around abuse and mental illness, this movie hits hard. And damn it just bleeds with good acting form both Toni and the kid playing the son. It's almost outrageous that this was Ari's FIRST FILM! :0 That's just incredible to me!
I'm very much looking forward to Midsommar, but I'm worried that Ari might not be able to top Hereditary since it's a masterpiece. If he can pull that off though, he's going to jump way up my list of greatest writers/directors. He's already ranked pretty high. And yes, Alex Wolff also deserves crazy amounts of kudos for his acting chops. I look forward to all of his future endeavors.
One of my favorite things about this scene is how it doesn't come off as pointless info-dumping to get you to feel bad for Annie. This is a woman who has probably never been able to fully explore the trauma her mother caused her and it all comes out like word vomit because she's never had a support group to listen to her like this.
Well its important to the story, the exposition bout her brother killing himself and her mother not having access to her son are important exposition . Story wouldn't make sense without it.
@@syren4731 only one of them. Joan. Although all of them could be in the cult. Never saw it that way but wouldn't be surprised since the cult members are lingering throughout the entire movie
All of them...they were even at Paimon's funeral. Annie never cared to notice because she was very broken inside as well as her family (except her own husband).
The most terrifying yet subtle part of this scene is when she says “And that was my moms life” and then she looks at the ominous empty chair in the córner along with the other ‘members’
This movie gutted me. Some horror fans dismiss it and they are entitled to their opinions...but from a personal account I can testify that this movie unsettled me like no other in my existence in my 32 years of age. I though my pinnacle of wonderment at the movie theater peaked decades earlier when I first view the original 'Jurassic Park' at the age of 6....nope, this was my relapse of going to the movies and letting the storytelling simply wash over me. Truly an instant horror classic.
I saw this movie 3x in theaters, then I bought it the day it came out and watched it that very night and then again the next night. This movie is amazing!!
In my 44 years of existence no movie has unsettled me this much. The movie Happiness (not horror) had a near similar effect, but this movie... I actually stopped it after the incident with Charlie, and it wasn't necessarily the incident itself, but Alex Wolff's convincing portrayal of absolute shock. I wasn't sure I could continue watching it. Especially after he pulled into the driveway. I actually told some people I know not to watch it (because I knew them well enough to know they definitely would not be able to handle it). I was pretty high when I first saw that scene, so I figured it just amplified the experience. I ended up continuing to watch it a couple days later and that was a very good decision. But, if a movie can move me so deeply (in a disturbed-to-my-core direction) that I don't feel I can continue watching, that right there is a good measure of a good film, IMO.
@@koanikal I actually saw "HAPPINESS" in theaters when it came out. I have a hard time telling people "I loved it," because it's NOT a movie you normally "love." So I loved it, the way you love a movie like "SOPHIE'S CHOICE," it's brutal but that's the point. I LOVE MOVIES! and I love many different types. But, for me the cinema is filled with such bland disappointments: Sequels, Prequels, Remakes, Reboots and too many superhero movies. For my personal tastes, seeing something like "HEREDITARY" in theaters is such a treat!! I was able to truly enjoy last years "AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR," but "HEREDITARY" was far & away the BEST film of last year! When you get a chance, go see "MIDSOMMAR" the writer/directors latest film. I saw it in theaters, but only once.
@@joshuahjjohnston wow, you’re brave, I’ve only watched it once and don’t know if I can stomach watching it again given how upsetting and horrifying it was. Speaks volumes of it’s greatness in the genre!
2:24 I love how Joan and the rest of the group are looking at her like, “Is that it?” Of course they wouldn’t care. They’re a cult! Annie’s nothing more than a pawn in their cruel, little game. A means to an end.
She's so good in this movie that after I finished watching it, I pulled up interviews just to see her smile. It feels as if this really happened. How in the hell was she passed over by the academy?! What a joke.
for me, the fact that not a single aspect of Hereditary was nominated was the final straw. Especially since Get Out got TONS of nominations as well as an Oscar for Best Original Screenplay. It was decent, but seriously? A masterpiece it was not. Hereditary's score alone should have gotten an Oscar. They broke the horror barrier with Get Out, and now there is zero excuse for excluding horror films. The Academy is an absolute joke, and shouldn't even be taken seriously.
Academy are afraid of horror and gore. I don't think they see past that. Just a vulgar film to them. Don't pay much attention to Oscar they are hyped by glamour.
I hope Toni don't ever stop acting. She's one of the greats....and one of the few greats still left in drama, these days. She devotes her whole heart and soul to the art of acting, and to her characters.
I'm late here, but given that the rest of the people in the support group are almost certainly all members of the cult, the empty chair was most likely reserved either for Ellen or Paimon himself - it carrying weight seems appropriate regardless
Listening to Toni Collette’s interview, she described this movie as having no positive message and it being a hopeless situation. I love how she explained it- the whole movie has that vibe. A family plagued by misfortune and it ultimately causes their undoing- take away the plot and the demonic cult, and you can see the metaphor behind it. If you’ve grown up in a broken family with mental illness, this movie will resonate with you.
Did anyone notice that the man in the circle, the one wearing yellow, is the same man seen in the attic at the end before Peter jumps? Also, I did notice at 2:25 that Joan and some of the other looked at an empty chair in the circle, probably signifying that Paimon is there in the room. If you look closely, those people are not looking at the counselor, but the chair... I didn’t notice that before, and it gives me chills! Damn, I freaking love this movie!!
Rewatching this scene and I’m *just* now realizing that Joan was at the very first therapy session. The attention to detail and foreshadowing in this movie is fantastic!
The beginning of the scene as Annie is hesitantly walking toward the group is harrowing and great. She's in a big, empty gym moving toward the small group of people huddled around in a circle -- who seem to be shunning her. She looks so abandoned and alone.
This film is absolutely chilling! I had such a difficult time falling asleep watching it on the dark by myself. Bad idea. Fantastic film really fucking scary and riveting storytelling
Damn.. This woman is so believable. An amazing actress. She reminds me of my mother. Her little quirks and small expressions she does are so on point. Why does she not get the respect she deserves.. She is if not the best, top 3 of all time, next to Nicholson and Norton..
her brother hang himself because he accused her mom of putting "people" inside him. that means the mother already tried to put the demon Paimon right from the start in her brother but failed
Lyrics: Maybe not... My names annie. My mom died a week ago.. so I'm just here for; trying it.. I have alot of resistance to things like this.. But I, I came to these a couple of years ago- well I was forced to come.. And I guess, umm... I guess it helped so um; My mom was old. And she wasn't all together there.; at the end And we were pretty much, estranged before that.. so.. It really wasn't a huge blow.. But, i..... did.. love, her..-- And she didnt have a easy life. She had DID witch became extreme.. at the end.. And dementia, and My father died when I was a baby; from starvation. Uh, kuz he had psychotic depression.. And he starved himself witch I'm sure is as pleasant as it sounds.. And then there's my brother; my older brother, had schizophrenia.. And when he was 16 he hung himself in my mother's bedroom and of course the suicide note blamed her... Accusing her of putting people inside him.. So.. That was my moms life. Then she lived in my house before hospices. And we wouldn't talk. But then we would, then we didnt. Then we would, then we didnt.. Until my husband finally enforced a no contact rule. Witch lasted until I adopted my daughter, witch she immediately tried to stick her claws into.... And I just.... I felt guilty agin. X2 As if she was even my mom... at the end.. But I still felt guilty. Not that she would ever feel guilty about.. anything... I dont wanna put anymore stress on my family.. I'm not really even sure if they could give me that support. I just feel likeit's all ruine. And l am to balme... not that I'm to blamed but.. I am blamed....
The woman to Annie's left is wearing red, which is an important motif in this film. I believe this is the same person who is standing in the attic immediately before Peter jumps out the window.
This scene amongst many others make me wish that we could have seen some scenes with Ellen (Annie’s mother) while she was alive. This character has been dead throughout the entire film and yet even the thought of her can send big time chills down your spine.
The way she's letting it all out with no filter or censorship of the events reminds me of my own therapy. After years of fucked up shit when you finally trust someone to vent to you vomit your words
It's been several months since I posted this scene, and I'm really glad I did, because it's attracting the true film buffs since it's such a low key scene that your average moviegoer isn't going to seek out. I felt it was a good primer without giving much away. What more does Toni Collette need to do to get a nomination at least for f***'s sake? 20 years from now, I'll still feel she was robbed. And to top it off, this was almost 2 minutes of un-cut monologue. That's impressive. And this performance here is just the TIP of the iceberg, the aftermath of the THE SCENE (you know the one if you've watched Hereditary) after the party, and the dinner table scene are what solidifies my opinion of her deserving at least a nomination. I tried to give as little spoilers as possible by showcasing this particular scene, from early on in the film, though I'd love to've added those other scenes, but I want people to go into watching this the first time at least somewhat blind. I made it a point not to even watch a trailer, when I first watched this film. Going in mostly blind is the best approach.
THE DINNER SCENE!! That was where I became mesmerized by her performance! Yes, her heartbreaking screams of grief after finding her daughter's body was amazing acting, but she had to emote! she put her emotions out there and then on a dime she pulled it all back! That dinner scene is a lesson in acting (actually, by all 3 actors in that scene) as well as a lesson in directing. GOD! I just LOVE this movie!!
@@joshuahjjohnston Oh man, I LOVE that scene so much. Stellar acting chops on display. Had to only post this clip so it doesn't give too much away, but yeah. The dinner scene, the seance scene, and of course the finding Charlie scene. The seance scene is to me how someone who doesn't believe in "hocus pocus" would ACTUALLY react when her hair was touched. It's such an amazing movie. I'd be surprised if this movie isn't studied in future film schools.
Her mom's spirit casually watching and judging in that empty chair is a nice touch xD they did a good job at conveying the fact her Mother is domineering even when she's invisible you can feel her staring through Annies soul annoyed by the fact that she's still alive and not suffering Condemned by Paimons side and influence. The mother clearly got involved in some crap beyond her abilities and was heavily used by the King to become soul food. Its funny because one of the real guidelines in the occult realm is to enter into it with a strong mind and a light heart. This is a good movie that shows the horrific outcomes of a woman abusing the occult and her family paying the consequences of that. Her deluded ass probably read about wealth and etc and thought she was blessing all of them in er own morbid way. At the end it shows they are shrouded in a void blackness meaning they are transported into the abyss. They are literally all burning in Hell as servants. Think about it they are all stuck in that exact moment forever in a treehouse with mutilated corpses. Most of them are also old and etc if they truly did get blessed they would have been empowered. Instead they are now stuck there and eternity. And thst one young dude who betrayed Peter pretending to be his friend is now stuck with naked old people for all of eternity.. only Joan and the dead bodies were fully clothed LMAO. I remember crying of laughter when I came to this realization 😂
I've watched this film over a dozen times, and I never made that connection, or even paid much attention to the empty chair. Great catch. As is the case with Stanley Kubrick, I don't think there is a single miniscule detail in an Ari Aster film that isn't 100% intentional. Both are hyper-meticulous. Though, at least Aster has apparently found a way to avoid having to create an intensely stressful on-set environment to elicit an intense performance from his actors (unlike Kubrick, or another favorite of mine, Billy Friedkin RIP). I'd really like to have heard Friedkin's opinion of Ari Aster's approach to filmmaking, and the end results. Martin Scorsese's glowing opinion of Ari Aster is good enough though.
I think it was this scene that told me I was in for something different with this film. It's just sheer realism (not Hollywood reality, which is adjacent but not connected to actual reality) in a way I hadn't seen in a movie in a long time (maybe I don't watch enough movies). And it's this groundedness that makes the supernatural elements so much more terrifying.
I'd say it's on par - Ellen's performance is a lot warmer and really makes you feel hopeless for her and Regan. Toni's seems a lot colder and a bit disconnected (as the character should be) and makes you feel hopeless for her and the family. It's like two ends of the spectrum
@@SerafiniAGaunt Good point and I agree with you. But I did feel there were moments (this scene and the dinner scene in particular) where Toni's intensity, inner conflict and frustration are so real, tragic and frightening that it just leaves you shook and in awe. It's ridiculous that she was not even nominated for the role of Annie.
I wonder what the last cult meeting was like before Ellen died. Ellen: Alright everyone, I know it’s taken a while to find a new host for Paimon. But now, it’s time to set our plan in motion. Starting with my death. Random cult member: Well it’s about damn time! We’ve just been singing Paimon’s praises and showering you with gold for the last 16 years.
“I was forced to come to these things” “That was my mom’s life” *proceeds to look at empty chair with the rest of the “members”* “He accused my mom of putting people inside him”
I just watched the movie, and while I was contemplating what the actual fuck did I just watch, I remembered this scene and what she said about her brother.. Had to rewatch this scene. Still have no idea WTF I just watched.. 😂😧
If you're up to it, I recommend another viewing or 12. It's DENSE as hell with subtlety. I actually had to stop it after Charlie's incident, when Peter pulls into the driveway, just the horror in my head of what's going to happen next made me feel I couldn't continue the movie. A couple days later I did, and I'm glad I did. My Mom isn't the biggest horror fan, but she even had to call me a couple of days after she watched it with me to tell me how great it was. Never seen a movie make that impact on my Mom...
😂😂 I'm good, I did watch a really good breakdown/explanation video by Grunge. (th-cam.com/video/actfkXCGPs8/w-d-xo.html) It helped with the back story and deciphering all the moments where I knew the movie makers were signalling, like the light shimmer, but I didn't fully understand exactly what it meant in the moment. I do have a greater appreciation for it.. But I'm still good. 😅
Every aspect of this film is brilliant, but if the cast was any different I feel the movie would have suffered greatly. This cast acted their asses off and sold the hell out of this story, and the fact that they had no clue that the grandmother was a cult leader. For that reason I feel that some disliked the ending that seemed to come out of left field, especially after the first viewing of this horror masterpiece. Bravo to the cast and crew for this spectacle of a film.
Collette could be considered the best dramatic actress of her generation, if only she were not so timeless herself... What a classic performance from such a raw talent. May the future only do justice to her many past glories. I am sure the spiritual world is still up in arms by the lack of an appreciable sequel or prequel to the now classic "Hereditary".
Toni Collette is 100% on the same page with Ari Aster. I didn't realize Annie was angry and in pain when her own mother took away her own little daughter, and somewhat self-victimizing about her role in the family. Those are major plot points in the later part of the story. I feel that a lot of haters of this movie simply miss a lot of details.
Take away the sign which could just be set up for Annie and it could be any group that’s been happening for a long time, aka a cult meeting. Possibly. I’m not saying it is or isn’t. The group therapy also shows there’s members of her group and society around her who don’t care about her or her children as people. They only care about Paimon and his birth. She’s in a very vulnerable place and she bares her soul but her feelings don’t really matter in the grand scheme of things, just what the cult members need her for. She’s talking about how horrible her mother is yet in a group about bereavement she’s surrounded by people who supported her mother, their leader.
Omg I just got 2 pieces of foreshadowing #1 definitely was the people's body language there faces don't evan directly look at her like the 2 people between Annie aren't evan directly looking at her and the guy is tapping his foot a sign he just wants her to stop talking and the lady is also rudely tapping her fingers another sign of disinterest. Plus big foreshadowing piece they mentioned her brother was 16 and Peter was 16 so that meant Paimon really wanted to have his time scheduled correctly and they probably follow ancient rules so 16 was the age of adulthood for them
i know that cross-talk is discouraged at pretty much any recovery or support group, but I always kind of feel like I'd like it if someone chimed in and gave an encouraging word (albeit simple and brief), instead of awkward silence with everyone glaring at you like in this. well at least at the beginning. LOL
My name is Annie. (Everyone greets her) My mom died a week ago. So I’m just here for...trying it. I have a lot of resistance to things like this, but I came to these a couple of years ago. Well, I was forced to come and I guess it, um...I guess it helped. So, um...My mom was old, and she wasn’t all together there at the end. And we were pretty much estranged before that, so it really wasn’t a huge blow. But I did...love her. And she didn’t have an easy life. She had DID which became extreme at the end. And dementia. And my father died when I was a baby from starvation, um...because he had psychotic depression and he starved himself, which I’m sure was just as pleasant as it sounds. And then there’s my brother. My older brother had schizophrenia, and when he was 16, he hanged himself in my mother’s bedroom and of course his suicide note blamed her, accusing her of putting people inside him. So...that was my mom’s life… [Long pause] And then she lived in our house at the end, before hospice. We weren’t even talking before that. I mean, we were, and then we weren’t. And then we were. She’s completely manipulative. Until my husband finally enforced a no-contact rule. Which lasted until I got pregnant with my daughter. I didn’t let her anywhere near me when I had my first, my son, which is why I gave her my daughter, who she immediately stabbed her hooks into. And I just...I felt guilty again. I felt guilty again. When she got sick, not that she was really even my mom at the end, and not that she would ever feel guilty about anything. And I just don’t want to put any more stress on my family. I’m not even really sure if they could...could give me that support. And I just...I just feel like...I just sometimes feel like it’s all ruined. [Breaking] And then I realize that I am to blame. Or not that I’m to blame, but I am blamed!...
The old man with the bonnet and beard in the circle is the big naked dude in the middle of the three naked people that stare at Peter before he jumps out the window
I think she blames herself for bringing her unhealthy side of the family into her husband and children’s lives, because when her mother did stuff like stab hooks into Charlie she felt like that was her fault, her innocent family suffered at the hands of Annie’s unhealthy family, she felt that if your family is *THAT* psychotic maybe it would’ve been better if she had never made relationships with anyone, that maybe a family this demented deserves to be alone
People relax with the oscars. Oscars go to basic movies with no real artistic value 99% of the time. It’s a crowd pleasing thing and a Hollywood charade so people can dress up and marvel. Once every ten years they will award an actual good film like they did with Parasite but the whole institution is a sham in general. It means squat that this movie and performance were not awarded, its probably for the best the oscars had nothing to do with such a profound film.
I think it's unfair to tear down other movies or performers because Toni was robbed. She's amazing and will get her award one day and even if she didn't it wouldn't make her less talented.
I've never gotten the impression that people thinking she was robbed of a nomination had anything to do with them thinking others should be "unfairly torn down". That's a very odd projection. At no point was it ever "why was so and so nominated and not Toni Collette". It's never been about the others who were actually nominated. I have not once seen a single comment along those lines, in this comment thread. We're just saying she should have gotten a nomination, but horror is VERY much overlooked in considerations for Academy Awards. That's the point. It wasn't an attack on any other actors performances. On a side note, the Academy Awards are for the most part a farce anyway, so I'm not like actually angry that she didn't get a nomination, just disappointed that the Academy often has a bias towards horror, regardless of the performances. But yes, there have been some very rare exceptions over the years.
I've heard of this movie I know it's been highly rated - just got a really bad feeling watching some trailers and reviews - it kinda reminds me of the Vibe off Rosemary's Baby - sick betrayal personal conspiracy the support group was even creepy . Paimon ? Does he actually show ? is he actually satanic or one of those rogue demons of the abyss lurking in the emptyness of the Cosmos ? Really don't think I've got the balls for this one .
ellen was a monster like no other. If Annie had only stood up to her mother. Charlie would be alive because Charlie would not have been possessed and the cult would have never have found Annie, yet we would never have had a movie. The support group is the cult judging from my analysis
''in his suicide note he blamed her, accusing her of putting people inside him'' what an excellent foreshadowing
Also that he committed suicide. Peter jumps out of the window I think he wanted to kill himself
J L i think he jumped out of the window because that’s probably just instinct. i would jump out too because it would just seem natural after seeing the kind of stuff peter saw and went through. i feel like he wasn’t even thinking about killing himself right then because what he saw is still right in front of him and still raw in his brain
@@JL-uw8xm evan more fun fact was his name was Charles and what Ellen did to her husband which may foreshadow how he was trying to stop Annie
Her mum was an awful person
I said the same thing Mo
I still can't believe she wasn't nominated for an oscar for this
Because is horror movie ... Oscar nominated more drama movies
Seulgi In Neverland True. That's why the Golden Globes ironically awarded Get Out in the "comedy" category because there's no horror award. I think the last 20 minutes of this film disqualified it from any drama nominations. I still think Collete was robbed.
Linda Blair was nominated for an Oscar for the Exorcist tho
Same here. Yes it’s a horror movie but it still talks about the human psyche which is brilliant
@@katiering4108 that was before when oscars still made sense. now, it's just all about connections
Ellen destroyed Annie’s family and her relationship with her children all for a demon, even in death. That’s pure evil.
My darling, dear, beautiful Annie,
Forgive me all the things I could
not tell you. Please don't hate me
and try not to despair your losses.
You will see in the end that they were
worth it.
Our sacrifice will pale next
to the rewards.
Love,
Mommy
@@timvanarsdel this is giving me PTSD
Exactly. There’s members of the group she has her hooks in. In reality there is no-one Annie can trust even in such a meeting where she is baring her soul. For all we know that may be a cult meeting disguised as bereavement (or at least a recruiting ground).
That woman was a disease to her whole family. I still don't see the rewards of her machinations
@@spacecat3198 fun fact, everyone in the group is a cult member and they appear throughout the movie and towards the end
When she tells all that series of horrible tragedies and ends the speech by saying "that was my mother's life" no honey, it was your life as well. This movie is so brilliant in placing the fact that all of our parents' struggles, tragedies and mistakes become our own as we grow up and become adults. We're burdened by weights we can't even comprehend or elaborate, because they become our own by proxy.
1 of the most real things I've ever read lol
My mom can keep the grudges she holds against her brothers and sisters. I couldn't give two shits about any of them. I just hope she figures that out too. Blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb. You choose your own family
honestly more terrifying than any other concept the movie throws at you
this is too real
“…and I realize… that I am to blame. Not that I’m *to* blame… but that I am blamed.”
“And what do you feel blamed for?”
“…I don’t know.”
So basically Ellen attempted to place pamen inside of her son but he committed suicide before The Possession could actually take place, therefore she moved on to grandchildren but Annie refused to let her see Peter and therefore she devised a plan to temporarily place pamen inside of Charlie and release pamen from Charlie into Peter, every single thing that happened to this family was planned, Charlie's death was very strategic, and Joan's ritual was a way of convincing Annie to allow the possession of Peter
But the whole thing is a metaphor for mental illness. It’s quite brilliant actually.
Ellen was a cult leader who entrusted Joan to carry out her plans even after she died. It all started with Ellen trying to have Paimon possess her husband and then her son and then her grandchildren. Annie believed this all to be hereditary mental illness until she learned her mother was a demonic cult leader. It shows the very real fear for Annie that she may have or will inherit her mother’s mental illness and poor parenting skills only to show that she was mistaken the entire time. It’s absolutely brilliant.
Annie was so in the wrong for allowing her mother near her kids.
Yeah. Damn, Ellen was a mean bitch!
@@Robsonski96 Ellen loved King Paimon more than her family. Ellen was head over heels in love with King Paimon. She was so in love Ellen lost her head for King Paimon.
Tough break for her family member's.
She just roasted her son in-law.
Hey guys, there's more than the oscars. She was nominated for more than 15 awards worldwide. She was indeed very good
Yep, that's why I find it notable. The Oscars are garbage, and this is just one of many examples of how meaningless those awards are. George C. Scott and Marlon Brando knew that, and I suppose one could say they were ahead of their time.
I only watch the Oscars for the slapping.
@@koalabandit9166DAAAAAAMMMMMMNNN
Yes, but it's not just the Oscars. It's the BAFTAs, the Golden Globes, SAG, Cannes, etc. They all completely snubbed her.
Toni was absolutely robbed for her Oscar nomination for this film.
This entire film is severely underrated. This is the best horror film of our era hands down.
DEFINITELY severely underrated. This film will be (if not already) studied in film schools. I have no doubt of that. Toni Collette's performance is a rare thing to witness in film. I'd say the same about Alex Wolff to a large degree (who is definitely an actor with a very bright future ahead). But Toni's performance. What a magnum opus really. I'd think a little differently about how she was robbed, a few years ago, and just chalk it up to the Academy never being accepting of the Horror genre no matter what... But... then they put Get Out up for a Best Picture nomination. That broke a precedent. So why was Hereditary not even CONSIDERED for any awards the year after that? Soundtrack? Oscar worthy. Lead Actress? Oscar worthy. Cinematography? Oscar worthy. Screenplay? Oscar worthy. The Academy is a joke. But hasn't it always been? To this day I still LOVE that Marlon Brando and George C. Scott rejected their Oscars. Fuck the Academy. Especially after this non-consideration for one of the most intense well written and well filmed movies of our generation. Never mind it being a horror, how about all of the other technical aspects that made this movie a masterpiece?
sirpicksalot_ it’s unbelievable to think that critics loved “Us” but tore this film to shreds. While I love Lupita, I will be severely upset if she gets a nomination for Us which seems like a possibility.
Oh and yes Alex Wolf’s performance was so so good. Hereditary goes beyond just a horror film and that’s what makes it so special. I loved that we are able to connect with the entire family so we ride that roller coaster right down into hell with them.
I’m Here Us was really good and Lupita deserves to be awarded. Horror films are rarely given film awards.
V I I’d have to disagree. I didn’t see anything ground breaking in Lupita’s performance. Us was very meh, but I do agree that horror is never appreciated during awards season. Hereditary being a prime example of that.
@@vingram100 US was crap
"ok, no pressure"
*awkward silence and everyone staring at her*
Makes you wonder if Paimon is sitting in that empty chair.
dannydinosaur73 OMG!!!
still hanging out in Charlie's body.
dannydinosaur73 if that’s true.... omygod these people are so cruel! They’re listening to her story and... they don’t care at all???
@@olyc8673 I figured the people at the support group were the cultists. They've been following her around for the whole movie. That's why they seem to have no empathy. Joan is even there, and as it's shown at the end of the film, she places Paimon's crown onto Peter.
@@dannydinosaur73 Annie's support group is technically the same group of people that dug out grandma's grave. So Steve wasn't wrong when he thought Annie went out for diggin the grave.
This scene doesn’t get enough cred but is honestly one of the best monologues I’ve seen in a movie
Having grown up around abuse and mental illness, this movie hits hard. And damn it just bleeds with good acting form both Toni and the kid playing the son. It's almost outrageous that this was Ari's FIRST FILM! :0 That's just incredible to me!
I'm very much looking forward to Midsommar, but I'm worried that Ari might not be able to top Hereditary since it's a masterpiece. If he can pull that off though, he's going to jump way up my list of greatest writers/directors. He's already ranked pretty high. And yes, Alex Wolff also deserves crazy amounts of kudos for his acting chops. I look forward to all of his future endeavors.
@@koanikal I agree with all of this :)
@@koanikal After watching Midsommer, I'd say it was just as good as Hereditary or even better
I'm surprised by how much I enjoyed it
Mer Ina it’s incredible right
he made 2 short films before this
"Accusing her of Putting people inside him." Great foreshadowing and use of how people misinterpret certain phrases
One of my favorite things about this scene is how it doesn't come off as pointless info-dumping to get you to feel bad for Annie. This is a woman who has probably never been able to fully explore the trauma her mother caused her and it all comes out like word vomit because she's never had a support group to listen to her like this.
Well its important to the story, the exposition bout her brother killing himself and her mother not having access to her son are important exposition . Story wouldn't make sense without it.
I thought the entire support group was made up of the cult members?
@@syren4731 only one of them. Joan. Although all of them could be in the cult. Never saw it that way but wouldn't be surprised since the cult members are lingering throughout the entire movie
It makes you think, exactly how many people in the circle is part of the cult?
All of them...they were even at Paimon's funeral. Annie never cared to notice because she was very broken inside as well as her family (except her own husband).
@@OldCelticWomanFootageAndMore wow. That makes this scene absolutely terrifying then. Even the counselor?
@@JoeTakagi00 not only the counselor but the chair as well.
the fact that no one else seemed to come forward and they were all probably waiting for Annie to talk makes me think all of them
Actually 1. The one in the orange sweater sitting next to Annie. The actress who played her confirmed it on reddit.
Jesus imagine her brother pleading for someone to believe his mother is trying to put this fucking demon inside her yet no one believes him so sad
I know! and her father starving himself to death!? who knows what hell he went through!
@@joshuahjjohnston yeah I always wondered that tbh did the mum make him that depressed that he starved himself to death like wtf
At he escaped through death
Yes. Kinda similar to how Steve don't believe Annie that Peter is Paimon's target
@@pathetic2399 unfortunately suicide is a mortal sin so he would have went to hell
The most terrifying yet subtle part of this scene is when she says “And that was my moms life” and then she looks at the ominous empty chair in the córner along with the other ‘members’
This movie gutted me. Some horror fans dismiss it and they are entitled to their opinions...but from a personal account I can testify that this movie unsettled me like no other in my existence in my 32 years of age. I though my pinnacle of wonderment at the movie theater peaked decades earlier when I first view the original 'Jurassic Park' at the age of 6....nope, this was my relapse of going to the movies and letting the storytelling simply wash over me. Truly an instant horror classic.
I saw this movie 3x in theaters, then I bought it the day it came out and watched it that very night and then again the next night.
This movie is amazing!!
In my 44 years of existence no movie has unsettled me this much. The movie Happiness (not horror) had a near similar effect, but this movie... I actually stopped it after the incident with Charlie, and it wasn't necessarily the incident itself, but Alex Wolff's convincing portrayal of absolute shock. I wasn't sure I could continue watching it. Especially after he pulled into the driveway. I actually told some people I know not to watch it (because I knew them well enough to know they definitely would not be able to handle it). I was pretty high when I first saw that scene, so I figured it just amplified the experience. I ended up continuing to watch it a couple days later and that was a very good decision. But, if a movie can move me so deeply (in a disturbed-to-my-core direction) that I don't feel I can continue watching, that right there is a good measure of a good film, IMO.
@@koanikal
I actually saw "HAPPINESS" in theaters when it came out. I have a hard time telling people "I loved it," because it's NOT a movie you normally "love." So I loved it, the way you love a movie like "SOPHIE'S CHOICE," it's brutal but that's the point.
I LOVE MOVIES! and I love many different types. But, for me the cinema is filled with such bland disappointments:
Sequels, Prequels, Remakes, Reboots and too many superhero movies.
For my personal tastes, seeing something like "HEREDITARY" in theaters is such a treat!!
I was able to truly enjoy last years "AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR," but "HEREDITARY" was far & away the BEST film of last year!
When you get a chance, go see "MIDSOMMAR" the writer/directors latest film.
I saw it in theaters, but only once.
@@joshuahjjohnston oh man, I am SO ready to watch Midsommar. I really should watch it in a theater...
@@joshuahjjohnston wow, you’re brave, I’ve only watched it once and don’t know if I can stomach watching it again given how upsetting and horrifying it was.
Speaks volumes of it’s greatness in the genre!
2:24 I love how Joan and the rest of the group are looking at her like, “Is that it?” Of course they wouldn’t care. They’re a cult! Annie’s nothing more than a pawn in their cruel, little game. A means to an end.
You can also see when she mentions her mother's death and sickness that the group shows empathy for a brief moment
they're right though
What do you mean by a cult
@@scarletwarlock3261 Well most of the people at that therapy session are seen at the end of the movie as a part of Ellen’s cult including Joan.
@@scarletwarlock3261 Annie's mother Ellen was some kind of a high priestess of a cult that was trying to bring a demon through possession
She's so good in this movie that after I finished watching it, I pulled up interviews just to see her smile. It feels as if this really happened. How in the hell was she passed over by the academy?! What a joke.
for me, the fact that not a single aspect of Hereditary was nominated was the final straw. Especially since Get Out got TONS of nominations as well as an Oscar for Best Original Screenplay. It was decent, but seriously? A masterpiece it was not. Hereditary's score alone should have gotten an Oscar. They broke the horror barrier with Get Out, and now there is zero excuse for excluding horror films. The Academy is an absolute joke, and shouldn't even be taken seriously.
sirpicksalot_ agreed the academy is TRASH
@@koanikal We know why Get Out is held in such meteoric regard
@@hansolo631 yes, reversed racism :/
Academy are afraid of horror and gore. I don't think they see past that. Just a vulgar film to them.
Don't pay much attention to Oscar they are hyped by glamour.
grief support members by mid-night, naked candle worshipers by night-night
1:38 I know it's quite obvious, but I love the delivery of this line, how much she really struggles saying she loved her.
Annie: ”My mother, she didn’t have an easy life, she had DID”
Me: “Demonic Identity Disorder, yeah totally.”
ahahaha u really had to say it lmao
Lol😂😂😂😂
When you realize those people are more than likely cult members...
Killing Joke creepy 😳
@@urinedanger1008 Beyond creepy, this movie disturbed me for a min if I'm being honest
@@killingjoke535 yeah same here! I don't usually get scared or freaked out with horror movies but this definitely creeped me out 😬
BEST performance in a horror/drama movie EVER Toni Colette (Hereditary ) , surpasing Kathy Bates in Misery
I hope Toni don't ever stop acting. She's one of the greats....and one of the few greats still left in drama, these days. She devotes her whole heart and soul to the art of acting, and to her characters.
I Know Right, She Is Just Amazing, Like Truly Fucking Fantastic, But Also Extremely Underrated As Well Though.
Luv Tara
:)
The empty chair carried weight and I don't know why.
I'm late here, but given that the rest of the people in the support group are almost certainly all members of the cult, the empty chair was most likely reserved either for Ellen or Paimon himself - it carrying weight seems appropriate regardless
Listening to Toni Collette’s interview, she described this movie as having no positive message and it being a hopeless situation. I love how she explained it- the whole movie has that vibe. A family plagued by misfortune and it ultimately causes their undoing- take away the plot and the demonic cult, and you can see the metaphor behind it. If you’ve grown up in a broken family with mental illness, this movie will resonate with you.
Did anyone notice that the man in the circle, the one wearing yellow, is the same man seen in the attic at the end before Peter jumps? Also, I did notice at 2:25 that Joan and some of the other looked at an empty chair in the circle, probably signifying that Paimon is there in the room. If you look closely, those people are not looking at the counselor, but the chair...
I didn’t notice that before, and it gives me chills!
Damn, I freaking love this movie!!
dude I didn't notice that
That guy is also Peter’s history teacher
They look at the empty chair after she says "that was the life of my mother" because the mother is the missing member of the circle
No pressure. But let us all stare at you and apply pressure.
humans in a nutshell
I mean he is one of the cult member
How she wasn’t nominated for this scene and the dinner scene alone, I’ll never understand. She is incredible!
2:25 they all looked over at the empty chair, maybe at Paimon.
Milmiskew i saw two from the shot
No. They are looking at the counselor
Rewatching this scene and I’m *just* now realizing that Joan was at the very first therapy session. The attention to detail and foreshadowing in this movie is fantastic!
The beginning of the scene as Annie is hesitantly walking toward the group is harrowing and great. She's in a big, empty gym moving toward the small group of people huddled around in a circle -- who seem to be shunning her. She looks so abandoned and alone.
This film is absolutely chilling! I had such a difficult time falling asleep watching it on the dark by myself. Bad idea. Fantastic film really fucking scary and riveting storytelling
Joan was just hanging out, so chilled.
#ROBBED
This is definitely the stand out role in Toni Collette’s career. I couldn’t stop thinking about this movie for days after.
Damn.. This woman is so believable. An amazing actress. She reminds me of my mother. Her little quirks and small expressions she does are so on point. Why does she not get the respect she deserves..
She is if not the best, top 3 of all time, next to Nicholson and Norton..
her brother hang himself because he accused her mom of putting "people" inside him. that means the mother already tried to put the demon Paimon right from the start in her brother but failed
Lyrics:
Maybe not...
My names annie.
My mom died a week ago.. so I'm just here for; trying it..
I have alot of resistance to things like this..
But I, I came to these a couple of years ago- well I was forced to come..
And I guess, umm... I guess it helped so um;
My mom was old. And she wasn't all together there.; at the end
And we were pretty much, estranged before that.. so..
It really wasn't a huge blow..
But, i..... did.. love, her..--
And she didnt have a easy life. She had DID witch became extreme.. at the end..
And dementia, and
My father died when I was a baby; from starvation.
Uh, kuz he had psychotic depression..
And he starved himself witch I'm sure is as pleasant as it sounds..
And then there's my brother; my older brother, had schizophrenia..
And when he was 16 he hung himself in my mother's bedroom and of course the suicide note blamed her...
Accusing her of putting people inside him.. So..
That was my moms life.
Then she lived in my house before hospices. And we wouldn't talk.
But then we would, then we didnt. Then we would, then we didnt..
Until my husband finally enforced a no contact rule.
Witch lasted until I adopted my daughter, witch she immediately tried to stick her claws into....
And I just....
I felt guilty agin. X2
As if she was even my mom... at the end..
But I still felt guilty. Not that she would ever feel guilty about.. anything...
I dont wanna put anymore stress on my family..
I'm not really even sure if they could give me that support.
I just feel likeit's all ruine. And l am to balme... not that I'm to blamed but.. I am blamed....
Nice
@@shellbell57 I was drunk.. 😂😂🙏
WAIT THANK YOU FOR THIS-
Song of horror
The woman to Annie's left is wearing red, which is an important motif in this film. I believe this is the same person who is standing in the attic immediately before Peter jumps out the window.
no that woman had white hair, not brown. and was older.
This scene amongst many others make me wish that we could have seen some scenes with Ellen (Annie’s mother) while she was alive. This character has been dead throughout the entire film and yet even the thought of her can send big time chills down your spine.
The way she's letting it all out with no filter or censorship of the events reminds me of my own therapy. After years of fucked up shit when you finally trust someone to vent to you vomit your words
It's been several months since I posted this scene, and I'm really glad I did, because it's attracting the true film buffs since it's such a low key scene that your average moviegoer isn't going to seek out. I felt it was a good primer without giving much away. What more does Toni Collette need to do to get a nomination at least for f***'s sake? 20 years from now, I'll still feel she was robbed. And to top it off, this was almost 2 minutes of un-cut monologue. That's impressive. And this performance here is just the TIP of the iceberg, the aftermath of the THE SCENE (you know the one if you've watched Hereditary) after the party, and the dinner table scene are what solidifies my opinion of her deserving at least a nomination. I tried to give as little spoilers as possible by showcasing this particular scene, from early on in the film, though I'd love to've added those other scenes, but I want people to go into watching this the first time at least somewhat blind. I made it a point not to even watch a trailer, when I first watched this film. Going in mostly blind is the best approach.
THE DINNER SCENE!!
That was where I became mesmerized by her performance!
Yes, her heartbreaking screams of grief after finding her daughter's body was amazing acting, but she had to emote! she put her emotions out there and then on a dime she pulled it all back!
That dinner scene is a lesson in acting (actually, by all 3 actors in that scene) as well as a lesson in directing.
GOD! I just LOVE this movie!!
@@joshuahjjohnston Oh man, I LOVE that scene so much. Stellar acting chops on display. Had to only post this clip so it doesn't give too much away, but yeah. The dinner scene, the seance scene, and of course the finding Charlie scene. The seance scene is to me how someone who doesn't believe in "hocus pocus" would ACTUALLY react when her hair was touched. It's such an amazing movie. I'd be surprised if this movie isn't studied in future film schools.
@@koanikal
YES! TOTALLY AGREE!! I'm a HUGE movie nut & this movie was one of THE BEST I'd seen in awhile.
Toni is fucking insanely talented
Her mom's spirit casually watching and judging in that empty chair is a nice touch xD they did a good job at conveying the fact her Mother is domineering even when she's invisible you can feel her staring through Annies soul annoyed by the fact that she's still alive and not suffering Condemned by Paimons side and influence. The mother clearly got involved in some crap beyond her abilities and was heavily used by the King to become soul food. Its funny because one of the real guidelines in the occult realm is to enter into it with a strong mind and a light heart. This is a good movie that shows the horrific outcomes of a woman abusing the occult and her family paying the consequences of that. Her deluded ass probably read about wealth and etc and thought she was blessing all of them in er own morbid way. At the end it shows they are shrouded in a void blackness meaning they are transported into the abyss. They are literally all burning in Hell as servants. Think about it they are all stuck in that exact moment forever in a treehouse with mutilated corpses. Most of them are also old and etc if they truly did get blessed they would have been empowered. Instead they are now stuck there and eternity. And thst one young dude who betrayed Peter pretending to be his friend is now stuck with naked old people for all of eternity.. only Joan and the dead bodies were fully clothed LMAO. I remember crying of laughter when I came to this realization 😂
I've watched this film over a dozen times, and I never made that connection, or even paid much attention to the empty chair. Great catch. As is the case with Stanley Kubrick, I don't think there is a single miniscule detail in an Ari Aster film that isn't 100% intentional. Both are hyper-meticulous. Though, at least Aster has apparently found a way to avoid having to create an intensely stressful on-set environment to elicit an intense performance from his actors (unlike Kubrick, or another favorite of mine, Billy Friedkin RIP). I'd really like to have heard Friedkin's opinion of Ari Aster's approach to filmmaking, and the end results. Martin Scorsese's glowing opinion of Ari Aster is good enough though.
I think it was this scene that told me I was in for something different with this film. It's just sheer realism (not Hollywood reality, which is adjacent but not connected to actual reality) in a way I hadn't seen in a movie in a long time (maybe I don't watch enough movies). And it's this groundedness that makes the supernatural elements so much more terrifying.
Annie: My mom was old. And she wasn’t all together there, in the end.
Me: Oh I think she was more together than you realized.
I would even go as far as to say I think Toni Collette's performance in Hereditary rivals Ellen Burstyn's performance in The Exorcist.
I'd say it's on par - Ellen's performance is a lot warmer and really makes you feel hopeless for her and Regan. Toni's seems a lot colder and a bit disconnected (as the character should be) and makes you feel hopeless for her and the family. It's like two ends of the spectrum
@@SerafiniAGaunt Good point and I agree with you. But I did feel there were moments (this scene and the dinner scene in particular) where Toni's intensity, inner conflict and frustration are so real, tragic and frightening that it just leaves you shook and in awe. It's ridiculous that she was not even nominated for the role of Annie.
@@jskd2953 Ikr, it's criminal lol. Toni's role I think was a little more complex considering the character's circumstances
I wonder what the last cult meeting was like before Ellen died.
Ellen: Alright everyone, I know it’s taken a while to find a new host for Paimon. But now, it’s time to set our plan in motion. Starting with my death.
Random cult member: Well it’s about damn time! We’ve just been singing Paimon’s praises and showering you with gold for the last 16 years.
I just CAN NOT stand any more day knowing that she wasn't at LEAST nominated for that fucking Oscar
Yes, im that gay
Imagine if she came back again after Charlie's death, just to add another crazy story onto her already fucked-up set of backstories.
Joan is such a supportive friend
Give this lady an academy award.
The first time I saw this film this scene had been cut. Finally the movie makes sense to me.
Acting so good it don’t even feel like exposition
she won it all.. who cares what a few people said in a room. Toni Is amazing.
Everyone points to her dinner table scene (which was still great, don't get me wrong), but to me this is a much better example of her acting skills
She was so robbed for an oscar for this hole movie, she is amazing
after rewatching the movie, 2:24 scared me 5x more! the lady at the far left!
I have no idea how I possibly missed that she actually was at that first meeting (and not lying)! Thanks moviebuff1275
There's just SO MUCH detail in this movie. I've watched it possibly a dozen times now, and I'm still noticing new stuff. Such a masterpiece.
KYEVUN
I noticed the first time that none of them cared at all but it took me a while to notice that most of them were naked at the ending ritual.
What about the lady at the far left? What happened?
“I was forced to come to these things”
“That was my mom’s life” *proceeds to look at empty chair with the rest of the “members”*
“He accused my mom of putting people inside him”
I just watched the movie, and while I was contemplating what the actual fuck did I just watch, I remembered this scene and what she said about her brother.. Had to rewatch this scene. Still have no idea WTF I just watched.. 😂😧
If you're up to it, I recommend another viewing or 12. It's DENSE as hell with subtlety. I actually had to stop it after Charlie's incident, when Peter pulls into the driveway, just the horror in my head of what's going to happen next made me feel I couldn't continue the movie. A couple days later I did, and I'm glad I did. My Mom isn't the biggest horror fan, but she even had to call me a couple of days after she watched it with me to tell me how great it was. Never seen a movie make that impact on my Mom...
😂😂 I'm good, I did watch a really good breakdown/explanation video by Grunge. (th-cam.com/video/actfkXCGPs8/w-d-xo.html)
It helped with the back story and deciphering all the moments where I knew the movie makers were signalling, like the light shimmer, but I didn't fully understand exactly what it meant in the moment. I do have a greater appreciation for it.. But I'm still good. 😅
Every aspect of this film is brilliant, but if the cast was any different I feel the movie would have suffered greatly. This cast acted their asses off and sold the hell out of this story, and the fact that they had no clue that the grandmother was a cult leader. For that reason I feel that some disliked the ending that seemed to come out of left field, especially after the first viewing of this horror masterpiece. Bravo to the cast and crew for this spectacle of a film.
This and Jake Gyllenhaal in Nightcrawler were both screwed out of nominations.
Collette could be considered the best dramatic actress of her generation, if only she were not so timeless herself... What a classic performance from such a raw talent. May the future only do justice to her many past glories. I am sure the spiritual world is still up in arms by the lack of an appreciable sequel or prequel to the now classic "Hereditary".
Why are horror films never nominated for an Oscar?
Toni Collette is 100% on the same page with Ari Aster. I didn't realize Annie was angry and in pain when her own mother took away her own little daughter, and somewhat self-victimizing about her role in the family. Those are major plot points in the later part of the story. I feel that a lot of haters of this movie simply miss a lot of details.
I love this movie but Toni's performance is so visceral and emotionally draining, I can't watch it as often as I'd want.
Toni fucking Collette ladies and gentlemen 👏🏽
People at the support group be like, "Wow, that is a fucked up story"
Everyone at the support group were cult members
Absolutely brilliant movie
The moment I noticed Ann Dowd right at the edge of the screen I was like "ooohhh Toni, you're in danger girl"
When you’re streaming and someone trauma dumps
Tony Collette with an all time great performance in this entire movie
Take away the sign which could just be set up for Annie and it could be any group that’s been happening for a long time, aka a cult meeting.
Possibly. I’m not saying it is or isn’t.
The group therapy also shows there’s members of her group and society around her who don’t care about her or her children as people. They only care about Paimon and his birth. She’s in a very vulnerable place and she bares her soul but her feelings don’t really matter in the grand scheme of things, just what the cult members need her for. She’s talking about how horrible her mother is yet in a group about bereavement she’s surrounded by people who supported her mother, their leader.
Anne certainly lived a charmed life didn't she....Crikey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give her an oscar
Omg I just got 2 pieces of foreshadowing #1 definitely was the people's body language there faces don't evan directly look at her like the 2 people between Annie aren't evan directly looking at her and the guy is tapping his foot a sign he just wants her to stop talking and the lady is also rudely tapping her fingers another sign of disinterest. Plus big foreshadowing piece they mentioned her brother was 16 and Peter was 16 so that meant Paimon really wanted to have his time scheduled correctly and they probably follow ancient rules so 16 was the age of adulthood for them
i know that cross-talk is discouraged at pretty much any recovery or support group, but I always kind of feel like I'd like it if someone chimed in and gave an encouraging word (albeit simple and brief), instead of awkward silence with everyone glaring at you like in this. well at least at the beginning. LOL
My name is Annie.
(Everyone greets her)
My mom died a week ago. So I’m just here for...trying it. I have a lot of resistance to things like this, but I came to these a couple of years ago. Well, I was forced to come and I guess it, um...I guess it helped.
So, um...My mom was old, and she wasn’t all together there at the end. And we were pretty much estranged before that, so it really wasn’t a huge blow. But I did...love her. And she didn’t have an easy life. She had DID which became extreme at the end. And dementia.
And my father died when I was a baby from starvation, um...because he had psychotic depression and he starved himself, which I’m sure was just as pleasant as it sounds. And then there’s my brother. My older brother had schizophrenia, and when he was 16, he hanged himself in my mother’s bedroom and of course his suicide note blamed her, accusing her of putting people inside him. So...that was my mom’s life…
[Long pause]
And then she lived in our house at the end, before hospice. We weren’t even talking before that. I mean, we were, and then we weren’t. And then we were. She’s completely manipulative. Until my husband finally enforced a no-contact rule. Which lasted until I got pregnant with my daughter. I didn’t let her anywhere near me when I had my first, my son, which is why I gave her my daughter, who she immediately stabbed her hooks into. And I just...I felt guilty again. I felt guilty again.
When she got sick, not that she was really even my mom at the end, and not that she would ever feel guilty about anything. And I just don’t want to put any more stress on my family. I’m not even really sure if they could...could give me that support. And I just...I just feel like...I just sometimes feel like it’s all ruined.
[Breaking] And then I realize that I am to blame. Or not that I’m to blame, but I am blamed!...
2:24 she's right there! On the left!!
She is my main actress, she was amazing in United State of Tara.
Outside of some stress related facial expressions she has in this film I find her an attractive older woman.
She is an acting genius.
She deserves an Oscar
I felt so sorry for her during the whole film 😔
This is like the Doctor Evil scene from Austin Powers only serious/all too real.
The old man with the bonnet and beard in the circle is the big naked dude in the middle of the three naked people that stare at Peter before he jumps out the window
Peter’s history teacher also
@@SomeBF I can’t see him
@@cloudgary7596 no as in the guy you pointed out is his history teacher
@@SomeBF it 100% isn't
I think she blames herself for bringing her unhealthy side of the family into her husband and children’s lives, because when her mother did stuff like stab hooks into Charlie she felt like that was her fault, her innocent family suffered at the hands of Annie’s unhealthy family, she felt that if your family is *THAT* psychotic maybe it would’ve been better if she had never made relationships with anyone, that maybe a family this demented deserves to be alone
0:33 - 1:30 Joan was sitting on the right with her purse hanging on the chair.
2:24 - 2:27 Joan was sitting on the Left
No pressure
Is she reading from a script or improvising because this is a+ acting.
People relax with the oscars. Oscars go to basic movies with no real artistic value 99% of the time. It’s a crowd pleasing thing and a Hollywood charade so people can dress up and marvel. Once every ten years they will award an actual good film like they did with Parasite but the whole institution is a sham in general. It means squat that this movie and performance were not awarded, its probably for the best the oscars had nothing to do with such a profound film.
i wasnt a big fan of the film, but the acting was outstanding indeed
2nd best support group scene after Mr. Robot.
They should do a prequel about Ellen and the cult
I think it's unfair to tear down other movies or performers because Toni was robbed. She's amazing and will get her award one day and even if she didn't it wouldn't make her less talented.
I've never gotten the impression that people thinking she was robbed of a nomination had anything to do with them thinking others should be "unfairly torn down". That's a very odd projection. At no point was it ever "why was so and so nominated and not Toni Collette". It's never been about the others who were actually nominated. I have not once seen a single comment along those lines, in this comment thread. We're just saying she should have gotten a nomination, but horror is VERY much overlooked in considerations for Academy Awards. That's the point. It wasn't an attack on any other actors performances. On a side note, the Academy Awards are for the most part a farce anyway, so I'm not like actually angry that she didn't get a nomination, just disappointed that the Academy often has a bias towards horror, regardless of the performances. But yes, there have been some very rare exceptions over the years.
I've heard of this movie I know it's been highly rated - just got a really bad feeling watching some trailers and reviews - it kinda reminds me of the Vibe off Rosemary's Baby - sick betrayal personal conspiracy the support group was even creepy . Paimon ? Does he actually show ? is he actually satanic or one of those rogue demons of the abyss lurking in the emptyness of the Cosmos ? Really don't think I've got the balls for this one .
Generational curses, satanic strongholds, and occultism in families are no joke. But there is deliverance in Jesus Christ.
ellen was a monster like no other. If Annie had only stood up to her mother. Charlie would be alive because Charlie would not have been possessed and the cult would have never have found Annie, yet we would never have had a movie. The support group is the cult judging from my analysis
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