74. Pinched in the Back-Cut on the Edge of a Bluff | What Should I Do?
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I’d have a snack! 😋 😁
Best idea so far 😅
Hi Bjarne, I heard the story of a man who makes high-class walking sticks and plants his own trees. After seven years he cuts them down and they always have eleven growth rings. The rings don't always mean years, they mean fast growth / slow growth, so if there happens to be an extended cold period during summer or a warm period during winter there would be twice as many growth rings for that year.
I’ll be interested to see what you do…I’d put another undercut in (higher up) on the opposite side and fall it in the direction the wind is blowing. A little sketchy, but you do what ya gotta do! Glad to see I’m not the only one who occasionally has to resort to the ol’ “remove the power head so it doesn’t get crushed” trick!
Good idea. I’d be up for that too.
I've done it that way more times than I would like to admit, but it works.
Nah, they usually split.
@@pvtimberfaller Well…yeah…but what else are ya gonna do? I’d love to hear other workable ideas…I’m always up for learning new tricks!
At that point there isn’t much you can do.
Quite the predicament. If you can, try cutting the cracked flair off and see if you can drive your wedge in farther. Hey, I love your wool sweater. I won't wear it for work. It is way too nice. Your hiviz jacjet is very warm also. Good luck with the tree. Can't wait to see how it pans out for ya. Be safe!!
My next move as a fellow faller would be maybe think about making the under cut were your wedge is and let it ride unfortunately otherwise not sure of other options
Master testing students...nice
Put in a small face cut where your back is and turn your original face cut into your new back cut. Gonna go where you don't want it to, but unless the wind does a 180 you're kinda where you're at.
Tea is in order!, no wind tomorrow a.m.
You were a good sport about that. I’d have been cussing myself to death lol.
Love the scenery 🏔️and the night footage was cool
Under cut the back above your bar and fall the tree backwards.
Les from Eastern Oregon
Best idea, but if the wind is blowing the spare could also get pinched, too much risk.
Maybe cut the existing wedge deeper and hope the wind gives the extra 'push'
Hey I used to cut in Eastern Oregon!
Agreed...living in eastern oregon as well
I ran into a lot of setbacks like this cutting rotten white fir snags up by Wallowa.
4’ in dia, 2” of good wood and everything else like the innards of a pumpkin.
Half the time it would rip a good deal of the stump out before you could finish your back cut.
A pretty bad situation and extremely dangerous to you for sure! If the wind doesn't die down and you can't wait for it too, No rope help, then I would just nip the hinge on the face cut side and run up the hill at a 45 degree away. Good luck and we'll be watching.
Wow
Crazy
Hard-core terrain !
Really like your video
Hi Bjarne!!😀😀
If I found myself in that predicament. I would go on the back side next to my wedge and bore my tip into the curf to make a spot to start another wedge. Maybe even 2 times too start 2 more wedges and hopefully be able to get it started over the right way and hope the hinge holds. Not much else you can try other than just turn it loose and that's not a good option.
Good luck buddy!!😀😀👍👍
Logger Al
With the wood already cracking and splitting doing a new notch and back cut higher up probaly will just result in another pinched bar. Probaly best thing to do is just start cutting back in towards your bar from the face cut and let it snap off off and go over backwards. Now I will tell you I never cut trees that tall and my experience is mostly with hardwood. So I'm sure there is a trick but once a butt starts to splinter you are limited.
cut a small wedge above the old back cut, and aim the new wedge in the direction of the wind.
I think the insert is to your right and behind you a bit. At this point, I would drop back 10 yards and punt. Well, I would not like it, but I would call a partner into assist me and hope we don't get his saw fouled too. Hope ain't much of a plan though.
Walk down the hill and go work at home Depot? 😂 You're awesome Bjarne., can't wait to see what happens.
I think you start over about a foot up the stump and fall it with the wind. Good luck!!
Bjarne- my man! Love your content, keep up the good work and stay safe!
Very Cool
to my way of thinking as the tree is now a danger all you can do is cut it to fall with the wind,it will knacker the butt falling without an undercut but at least it will be down and you can continue cutting
Tebing yang curam 👍💪
The true definition of a cliff hanger. TBC…
I would export it and consider an alternative to that stihl bar. Yer doin the best ya can man!
Maybe see if you can safety try deepening your undercut out more, just enough to let the pressure to come off the backcut to then be able to wedge the tree over? One things for sure is I know you'll have the answer...
Maybe trim that flare enough to get a power wedge on good wood. Other than that seek cover would be my next guess lol.
If you listened to when he hit the wedge, you hear it is as solid as it gets . And if you cut around to free the power wedge, it's going to most likely set back harder and definitely break off backwards . Dangerous move . The only thing I can see is first, beat your lungs out on the wedge with the big axe and hopefully free the bar between wind gusts . But it sort of looks like he misjudged the lean a little, and the wind really exaggerated the lean .
But I'm too chicken to be falling a tree in windy conditions, let alone with a questionable angle . And then Bjarne can do some magic in the woods . :)
Must be soooo fun
You should put a new undercut (flip) on the other side where the wind - tree is leaning. Let gravity have it's way.
Well without being right beside you, my best guess would be to cutoff the top side and let’er go down the hill as long as there’s no chance of it falling up the hill 🤷🏻♂️
This is great. 👍. What does the company pay you guys to take down trees all day ? How come on west coast tall cut the stumps so high off the ground ?
Since you have another bar and chain face it to go back and cut it.
I had the same challenge and while i was figuring a way to fell the tree, it just decided to go sideways 🤣
it’s miller time
Well I am a DIY cottager, not a professional. With the wind shift and it could get worse, the tree should be taken down sooner rather than later. I would try a small undercut on the opposite side of the first undercut. Then do the back cut. Hopefully the wind will push it over. Trying to go uphill is too dangerous.
Don't happen to have a half stick of TNT in your pack do you? Give her the old Wile E. Coyote treatment 🧨 Meep, meep!
Call it a day and head to the bar?
Use a pusher tree to over come the falling difficulty.
Poke and run
I guess one could say you don't pee into the wind 😂
hello Bjarne.... maybe to fall another tree on this tree to push it !!!!
Is there a blasting crew near by?
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Things that make you go... 🤔.
Here in Quebec
Not a tree live more than 350 years old
Call a heli for a pusher. 😂
Buckamatic. Saved s hard climb from going down and bucking.
Send it the other way
I am not a faller so please, nobody take my suggestion too literally. This is more like a gedanken experiment. I have seen from videos from others that when someone tries to pull (or wedge) against a heavy lean, the hinge will start to pull apart under the tension and bending. The tree then tends to fall at 90 degrees to where you expect it to. So, you have four choices: into the wind (to the left of the camera), with the wind (to the right), away from the camera (over the bluff), or toward where the camera was. Can you drop the tree where the camera is now without hanging it up in an uphill tree? Given the hollow sound when you were hitting the wedge, I suspect that the downhill side of the hinge is already weaker than the uphill side, so the hinge itself is already favoring an uphill trajectory.
So, in summary, if the tree is really, really trying to fall uphill, perhaps you should relocate your camera and help the tree fall uphill as it so clearly wants to do.
Take your power head off. Bring back another bar and chain in the morning. Cut a notch above your bar big enough to get a wedge in to lift the tree enough to recover bar and chain. Even bring a jack also if you want to carry it on that steep ground. I have been there. More than a few times. Wished my falling ax was a bit sharper a few times to. You can also use your wedges as a spring board to walk your self around that stump also. Make a small cut drive your wedge in. Gives you a foot hold way around the tree. At least so you can watch your back cut. I hate accidentally cutting off my back corner. I don't like to do it. But i know many fallers that do alot of dutchmen for that to drop and swing them back around. Nothing ever works perfect 100 percent of the time when you are falling. I feel normally it is best to stay with the simple for sure way of falling with a clean face and never cutting my corners. I always have something holding my tree up. It don't end up just lifting the tree straight up off the stump. You need that hing to pivot off of. It is the safe way.
@@leesharp7683 , interesting points from someone who is obviously much more experienced than I am. However, my comments were driven a bit by what I observed at about 30:25 into the video. After removing the saw body, Bjarne starts to drive the wedge in. After two low-pitched blows, he stops, says "Aww man!", and moves quickly toward the camera. It's clear to me that he didn't like the sound of those two blows. To me the blows sounded hollow, like there was a cavity of rotten wood near where the downhill part of the hinge wood was. This was, after all, a big old cedar and many of those contain rot in their interiors.
@@stuartschaffner9744the sound you heard was the blow coming up against a wedge that wasn’t going anywhere.so much weight on it.not going in or coming out
@@polarlab113 , yes, I oversimplified a bit. However, I also heard a low-pitched boomy sound that I have heard before when Bjarne strikes a cavity in the wood. Today's video shows clearly that the back half of the otherwise very nice hinge was mostly rotten wood. Had Bjarne managed to put enough wedges in hard enough, he would have ended up aiming that tree right at the camera and his escape path.
I am super impressed with this guy.
The sound is probably from hitting wedge and solid. Which means the tree tightened up more on wedge. Trying to come back over on him. Options you do not want the tree going up hill into your other timber for a few reasons. You brush up all the stumps that you have to go work at making yourself so much work it isn't good. You may want to quit. Also you mess up your lay of all the timber above that you would break falling across it which you can't do. Dangerous because other trees would slide down that one with nothing to rest against so you can't buck to preferred lengths. You need to buck them so yarder can pull them and landing doesn't get plugged making it very dangerous and over worked. Best to let one tree shatter going down hill if you can't wedge it cross hill. Depending on your relationship with company. If you took it up hill you would most likely get fired. The mill and forestry department would not like the waste of so much timber. Up hill not an option. No matter what. Air scale it. Send it over the cliff.
Try and get a small face where your back cut is now. Then tickle the face you have right now, run and watch the carnage.
Wait till the wind dies down and enlarge the under cut, and get ready to run.
Maybe fall a pusher tree onto it and then call in sick if it doesn't work HaHaHa
Under cut higher up or just cut the holding wood on up side and lit it rip and admit the screw up ha ha
What to do… book a holiday?
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Start a new cut a foot above Drop it where it leans get out of the way buck it uphill drop call it for that tree I think you're going to have to drop it uphill recut three wedge PS next time carry all your blade parts use a zip tie through your blade holes to hold two extra nuts your bar slide and extra chain of course in the 3 ft long identity magnet on a telescopic carrying new recoil spark plug even if you tape this stuff to the side of your gas can all of the total probably would Ray less than one and a half pounds maximum or take your new spark plug inside the spark plug wrench good luck I'll be watching I'm just an armchair lumberjack
Maybe get your partner and the jack and pray for the best?
Not much you can do other than put a face/undercut on the back side and send it that way.
Me I would go up a foot or as far as i could reach , pretend none off that other shiet ever happened and start again with the beak on the other side . and never tell big sister health and stupidity .
Pound the crap out of your wedge and hope the wind changes direction for you?
Put an undercut on the sitting side and haul it outta there when it goes? 🤷♂️
30x28 is 840
It is but that doubles the age.you count from the centre to the outside.or outside to centre it doesn’t matter.but you don’t count right across the whole stump.
@@polarlab113 and I only counted 16-17 rings per inch, 31 divided by 2 15.5 so 15.5X17=263yrs🤔