Phil Soussan Fires Back at Jake E. Lee's Ozzy Osbourne Accusation - 2023
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During a brand new interview, Bassist Phil Soussan refutes Jake E. Lee's assertion that he was partially responsible for getting the guitarist fired from Ozzy Osbourne's band. Also includes comments from Jake about Phil and how he was fired by Sharon Osbourne.
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Phil Soussan Interview w/ The Rock Experience w/ Mike Brunn:
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I know I am in the minority but Jake is my fave Ozzy guitarist
I agree. Gilis and Rhoads are both awesome, but Jake was the best. Zack does not impress me. A few good songs and solos. The previous three guys all destroy him
I ALSO AGREE... RHOADS WAS VERY GOOD AND VERY MELODIC, BUT JAKE E LEE WAS SO DIFFERENT, SO FUTURISTIC AND HIS SENSE OF MUSICALITY LIKE NOBODY ELSE PLUS HIS PLAYING AND SKILLS SO IMPACTFUL, AND HIS STAGE PRESENCE WAY BEYOND ANYBODY !
Jake is a legend of his own there’s no doubt he’s a unique and great guitarist, just seems a bit of a baby imo
@@markmarsh9923 that a bit of a baby seems right
You're not alone. Jake is a beast.
I'll take Jake's word over Sharon Osbourne ANY day.
Sharon is not quoted in this interview. Jake admitted he was always late. Ask anyone in a one of your local bands just how much it pisses people off when someone is “always” late for things.
That got Ace Freely kicked out of Kiss, and Vince got kicked out of Motley Crue for that. ..... How Guns N’ Roses lasted as long as they did is the 8th wonder of the world. In the end, it’s ultimately one of the pillar stones that caused the complete destruction of that band.
Look at how pissed off Eddie Van Halen got at Sammy Hagar for not wanting to work on that stupid song for that movie soundtrack when Sammy told them in advance he needed time off so he could be there for his wife who was about to give birth to his child.
I hear you about Sharon, but that may not be the full issue there.
I hate to say this, but this is a fact, American women back then, and to this day are prejudiced against Asian men. Americans in general were prejudiced against Asians.
Perhaps Sharon and others saw Jake’s ethnicity as something that would hurt Ozzy after a few years, as most bands drop off in popularity after their 3rd album.
Perhaps Sharon and crew decided to preempt Jake’s 3rd Album with Ozzy by cutting him loose after album #2 with him.
I’m not trying to toss the race card out there, becaues it is a fact, some races simply do not like each other. All the cultural marxist woke culture social conditioning will NEVER change this about human nature.
If there was any truth to this, you really think the Ozzy camp would ever admit this? ... not in a million years.
It is a fact, when Ozzy was looking for replacements for the deceased Randy Rhoads, he wanted more from his new guitarist than talent, but they had to look cool. They rejected George Lynch because he had short hair at the time he auditioned. ... So this stuff is in their history. This is just speculation & my personal opinion.
Not intended to demean anyone
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Sharon didn't say anything. I t was Jake and Phil who were quoted.
Sharon apparently just got too bossy! I heard that she got fired from "The Talk" morning show. #karma
Saw Jake on the Bark at the Moon tour (83). He WAS amazing !
I was at the Chicago show that Ozzy had to cut short because Jake was completely wasted. Seeing Motley Crue open was life changing for 15 year old me.
@@vintagetubeamplifiers Motley who?
@@vintagetubeamplifiers Do you think Randy Rhoads was ever wasted on tour?
He might be the best, most well rounded guitar player to come out of the 80’s
I was there.
Ozzy’s solo career wouldn’t have been shit without Bob Daisley writing most of the songs, and having Randy, Jake, and many others surrounding him. He was kicked out of Sabbath for fucking up. The Osbournes TV show really pulled the curtain back on Ozzy, and proved what most of us have known for decades; Sharon runs the show.
I don't think people give Bob much credit. 80's metal bands all sounded similar in a way with hair metal, power chords, memorable melodic solos, Verse chorus verse chorus, solo , ending.... With Ozzy, the songwriting was so much different and that it thanks to Bob. Hats off to Jake and Randy but those songs would have sounded much different if someone else wrote them. Listen to Bark at the Moon or Diary of a Madman, no one in the 80's or in that era wrote songs that sounded like them. They had that "Ozzy" sound.
No one can name another vocalist who has had 3 outstanding guitar players in a solo band also having one from a band that fired him
@@karlshuler1011 Iommi Randy Jake Zakk. Ozzy I remember he said the secret formula was to have a young unknown guitarist. Because they are trying to prove themselves. In 1979 when he was getting a new guitarist for blizzard of oz he wanted either gary moore or michael schenker but changed his mind because they were already bug and famous and had nothing to prove.
@Backtoshallabal I'm just saying Randy, Jake E Lee, and Zakk. Those 3 alone for one vocalist to have is mind-blowing. Three unknown guitar players that turned out to be spectacular. Gary Moore and Michael wouldn't have done what Randy did on those first two albums. Ozzy was one lucky SOB when it came to guitar players.
100%! Jake gave daisley all the credit for song writing skills. I'm sure randy benefited also. Bcuz randy couldn't write jack with quiet riot.
Whatever the reality was with the members' relationships, Jake E. Lee was the best overall fit for Ozzy. Great stage presence & chops!
Zakk is the best fit. Dude is a badass
@@markpeters5550 , Zakk, Mr. Pinch h.💯💯💯🤣🤣🤣
@selina simila , that's Funny.
@selina simila Zakk isn't bad. In fact he's good. But he relies too much on certain things & so is a bit repetitious. Solo-wise he KINDA reminds me of the way Lars Ulrich would drum solo back in the day, if that makes sense. Exciting enough for awhile but you start to see the limitations. Not trying to be a dick because Z's damn solid...& far better than I'll ever be. But Jake is on a different level. & what stage presence! Makes me wonder if Ozzy (Sharon) let him go because he (she) felt like he would have possibly become just as much the focal point (or more?) as Ozzy the longer he stayed. Whatever.
@@peterandrade3630 well stated. Jake was my favorite in that band, even more so than Randy. And I know Randy is a legend, but just enjoy Jake’s riffing & phrasing more.
I love Jake's candor, he is a straight shooter. Phil does not have quite have the credibility Jake does.
Jake has stood up to the Osbournes
Not only did musicians at camp Ozzy get fired and screwed out of royalties, Sharon purposely misspelled their names on albums. What a witch
It's sad
That's terrible
yeh....she even mispelt ozzys ....cos his correct spelling is "greedy pig "
Like it or not, that's business. They signed the contracts knowing full well what they entailed, then after they got the fame they tried to act like they were screwed. Sharon is the only reason the Osbournes have any type of wealth at all right now. She did what she had to do to protect her family. The music industry is cut throat. The Osbournes survived because she knew this and became more cut throat than the other blood thirsty sharks in the water.
@@groovelife415.. If thats your idea of normal business I pity anyone that ever deals with you
JEL while Bark at the Moon was being made he was forced to give up all credits (or be fired) all the songs except Bark at the Moon with Daisley. All other songs were given over to Ozzy who did nil crafting them.
So JEL said the second time around in the studio for The Ultimate Sin he copyrighted everything beforehand, it shocked Sharon that he got a step ahead of her and did that. So that pretty much was the defining moment of his time expiring with the band. Give credit for JEL, he actually one of the only people who outsmarted Sharon for once.
hahaha..
If youd like a good laugh, watch Insane Clown Posse rips Sharon's ass on Howard Stern 😂. They're just too quick witted for her to keep up. "You're a bitch, you're husbands a goofy junkie, so why don't you get the hell out of here." -Violent J 😅
I would lay odds the truth is somewhere in the middle. Jake may have started showing up late or not showing at all. But when you find out that you're getting ripped off for the royalties that you deserve, resentment is certain to build and when you don't feel appreciated for the work that you do you stop wanting to work as much. I mean the best way to get somebody to show up is to pay them consistently and pay them what they're worth. If you don't do that you can't expect them to give you 100%.
My thoughts exactly. Alot of manipulation by the Osborne camp as Lee was fighting the royalties, and Soussan was looking for a bigger songwriting role. Both of them probably don't have an accurate take due to Sharon's manipulation. Read Carmine Appice's book for a wild story of just how far Sharon would go to manipulate and sabotage.
Jake was always late. Jake was late to his audition.
Okay, duly noted, but whose fault is it that Jake went ahead and entered into the deal and became a member of the band without a signed, rock-solid contract first? He should have demanded a contract before anything, with proper legal representation and everything on paper beforehand, including percentage of publishing for his contributions to the songwriting.The blame rests squarely with Jake. The music business has always been ruthless and cutthroat from the very beginning and he knew that. You can't tell me he was ignorant of how many musicians were screwed over before him. He may have then not even gotten the gig, but at least it would have saved him from being royally screwed over by Sharon.
Absofuckinglutely. They've got a lot of balls bitching about him being late when they're ripping him off on publishing.
@B-Ri You're getting your diapers in a bind kid. Go back to bed you're tired and cranky
I guess it's hard to expect your guitarist to show commitment and show up on his own time when he wrote all the music and riffs for his first album and didn't get one royalty.
Just the fact that Randy Rhoads is, to this day, the legend that he is speaks to how monumental a task it was to replace him .. When Randy died, he was already an icon, a living legend - Randy had a huge role in resurrecting Ozzy's career, and he was a hero, so when he died, it was more than simply replacing a guitar player ... What Jake E Lee did coming in, and the first thing we hear is Bark At The Moon with that instantly iconic riff and monster lead - the guy had balls bigger than anyone .. Jake is an inspiration on the guitar, and , he's should be an inspiration to anyone who faces a situation where they think "how the fuck am I going to do this ?" ...
💯 percent agreed !! Randy Rhoads shoes are big to fill and Jake did an amazing job coming into the band and along with Bob Daisley writing the classic Bark At The Moon and The Ultimate Sin albums.
Brad Gillis had it tougher. He succeeded too.
@@adamwarlock3530 I had tickets to see Ozzy with Randy and the crash happened less than 2 weeks before I was to see him .. The show was postponed, and I eventually I saw Brad with Ozzy, and yes, he was great, and he's been great with Night Ranger .. But Brad never had the responsibility of writing new songs with Ozzy, which, to me, was the most daunting part .. But Brad Gillis is a guitar hero, too
Randy was going to get fired also. He didn't want to record the retarded speak of the devil "live" album.
@@elinino5275 yes, many people claim Randy was going to leave, I think more on his own accord from what I have read .. as a sidenote, if you haven't done so already, I highly recommend Bob Daisley's book "For Fact's Sake"
Wish it could of worked out longer. Jake was the last great guitarist Ozzy had.
Yep. Zakk is great but a one trick pony
@selina simila.. I'm sorry my post hurt you the way it did. It's called an opinion. I am entitled to mine, and you are entitled to yours. Imagine the concept 🤦♂️😄
@@daveg4236 what’s the one trick?
@@daveg4236 Zakk was great in the beginning but I agree he does beat those pinch harmonics in the ground for the last 25 or 30 years, and all that fast shredding crap is non musical nonsense.
@@MrToband agreed and I named my son after zakk. Loved him that much. But yeah it's old now. Like Angus. Great but gets old hearing same thing over and over
The best thing about 'Shot in the Dark' was Jake's Solo..!
Maybe because the song wasn't his. The song was stolen from the Overlands.
Did you just get fired? No, I just had dinner with Sharon! 🤣😂🤣😂
That should be a thing now: saying "I just had dinner with Sharon" if you get fired from anything.
I busted a gut after listening to that part. 🤣
@@eternity8811 That would be hilarious. Only us metal heads would get it, though.
@@sirchromiumdowns2015 yeah but then we get to look at the blank faces of confusion 😃
@@eternity8811 Did you have dessert afterwards??? No your fired dude 😂
God I love 80s metal stories.
You’re right about everyone who played with Ozzy seemed to be fired. Not sure about Rudy Sarzo. With that said, I think Randy Rhoads would’ve probably experienced the same treatment when his stardom started to grow.
It had already been going on bigtime. If people only knew half of it, they'd have a way different perspective on who Sharon is and the role she played in the evolution of the whole fucking genre. Do you see or hear Zakk have anything but respect for Ozzy or Sharon? Not everyone's cut out for that lifestyle. It was never about talent when changes were made. We praise all these rockers endlessly, but mum gets dumped on all the time.
Randy would have fulfilled his commitment for one more album and left the insanity of the osbournes. Right before he was killed, ozzy smacked Randy. Thats the equivalent of smacking a girl around.
There was talk that Randy wanted to leave the band and pursue a degree in classical music. It may have been Randy that left if he hadn't died so tragically.
@@johnsmith-ug5tp never heard that before. Is there a link or anything I can go to about it?
@@saintdamien8290 I read it online a few months ago. I may be mistaken, but I think Rudy spoke of Ozzy smacking Randy a few days or weeks become he was killed.
the lesson of this story is NEVER trust Sharon damn Osbourne. I don't think the bass player had anything to do with Lee's firing. that wench already had it planned to kick him out and never payed him the royalties he's still owed
Her treatment of Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake was much the same. It wasn't just Sharon, Ozzy treated some of his musicians like total crap. I don't think he would have acted that way if he wasn't so drunk and high on cocaine, but he was back then much of the time. It's no excuse, but he always seems to get a pass. I've heard he headbutted band members, never paid them royalties- in fact, Jake mentioned in an interview that he was completely screwed out of royalties on Bark at the Moon, as you mentioned. Still, if he's not showing up for rehearsal, he should have expected to lose his job. I'd like to hear Jake address that question: was he missing rehearsals a lot? If so, why didn't they talk to him before it became a fire-able offense? Ozzy was notorious for not showing up to rehearsals himself. I guess it pays to be king. The Osbournes seem pretty cutthroat. I'll always love Ozzy because his music was very important to me growing up, but it must have been a rough gig when he was so mercurial all the time.
@@sirchromiumdowns2015 It's no excuse, but he always seems to get a pass. ..... INDEED
@@sirchromiumdowns2015 I agree
Yep.... It IS/WAS , ALWAYS, SHARON making the decisions, PERIOD. Just like Jake E Lee actually getting the guitar gig AFTER George Lynch WAS, ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE, THE RHOADS REPLACEMENT! BUT? Sharon didn't like George's short punk hair (as George WAS balancing becoming a ROCK STAR with having a wife and new kid and a good Union delivery driver job ALL at the same time). So? Sharon let George GO, cuz Jake showed up late for the audition AND SHARON PREFERRED JAKE'S LOOK. AND YET? OZZY HAD JUST SHAVED HIS HEAD BALD?!?!!.LOL....IF THAT AIN'T HYPOCRISY AT IT'S FINEST then? IDK WHAT IS..... 😆 LOL SMH and laughter. And yeah, Ozzy WAS/IS an addict lettin Sharon get away with ALL THAT stuff but yeah, HIS problem was/IS obviously? He didn't have the BALLS to stand up for himself nor his musicians. So yeah, they were/are BOTH to blame and equally? BOTH are HORRIBLE people to work for in the business and that's that.. Period. Unfortunately......."The Dragon Lady 🐲 and her RAT 🐀" following her every move AND DECISION ....Shame on YOU OZZY!!! They say "Don't ever MEET your heroes" for a reason. And NO, I never met OZZY but, I have read/heard ALOT about his "organization" in my almost 50 years now of being an old school HUGE OZZY and HIS BAND fan, SINCE BLIZZARD OF OZ hit the shelves back when.... Talked to LOTTA people in the know etc. and... Yeah, it AIN'T pretty , at ALL..."The Osbourne CAMP" I REALLY AM, PRETTY SAPRIZED (at the LEAST) that Zack Wylde has stayed/come and gone and ALWAYS returned to the OZZY band... Course now? Ozzy IS FTMP, done... Touring etc. But I am SURE he will still be pulling it together for some 1 off shows/festivals...Cuz despite WHAT he IS (behind the curtain etc.) HE IS a Rock performer and he enjoys it 🤘🔥🤘
@@sirchromiumdowns2015 Jake himself mentioned many times that he's notoriously late, and that the producer Ron Nevison himself wanted to fire him during The Ultimate Sin. And Sharon told him to be on time.
Still though, Jake was the main songwriter, he wrote TUS all by himself while Ozzy was in the Betty Ford clinic. I don't think just being late here and there was enough to fire your main songwriter and phenomenal player from the band, there must've been something else going on. And Jake expanded on it in his recent interviews.
Well, there is no one with more integrity than Phil - I can vouch for this personally.
Lol. No one on this Earth eh. Lol..
Sharon dictated much of Ozzys solo career - including band structures. Her father was the legendary manager Don Arden. Don was known for being heavy handed in shaking down his artists & it’s no doubt Sharon learned from the best. The way ozzy & her treated THE PRIMARY SONGWRITERS in his solo band tell you ALL you need to know about who to believe in these situations.
very well spoken. The apple didn't fall far from the tree.
🇨🇦 Ozzy has always stayed out of Sharon’s way , he has always trusted her in the business end of things …….Ozzy just likes to work hard and and play harder , play hard is such an understatement ,EH !?!? ! Mind you he got his way when he wanted a new band member ,,,,,,look at Randy ! Ozzy fell in love at first listen !
Phil was trying to get more power in the band and he thought he could convince Ozzy and Sharon that HE was all they needed.
yeah, he's "taking the high road" here and complimenting jake heavily here. I don't buy any of it, this douche is a snake
Phil Soussan did NOT write Shot In The Dark, at least wasnt the sole songwriter. But the other guys in the band Wildlife havent seen a penny in Ozzy (Sharon) royalties...
‘Leader of a band’…’setting a example’…
‘Being on time’….
Ozzy. 🤣!
HILARIOUS 🤣
That's all I was thinking about
Yeah it's not fair that he didn't get any credit for writing or royalties or whatever but what could he do? Sounds a lot like the Dio/Vivian Campbell blow up.
It's probably why Wendy and Sharon are such good friends.
Reportedly, Jake E. Lee was considered for the guitarist position in Dio before Vivian Campbell got the job.
Imagine, if Dio and Ozzy would have swapped guitarists in 1986 or so.
@@j.r.90001 Jake had reportedly already tried working with Ronnie before he worked with Ozzy, so it seems unlikely to me that they would have swapped guitarists.
@@gringo3002 I knew about that. But, imagine what a move it would have been in 1987!
I said it before and I'll say it again, Ozzy wouldn't have been shit without the musicians surrounding him.
Thank you
I could listen to the Full in Bloom guy read the phone book. :-D
Gen Z: What’s a phone book??
I can't stand his narration.
The more hear stuff about Jake E. Lee and the more statements of his come to light, the more I realise he's got issues.
I know someone that was in AA with him from Ohio. Trust me he had a lot.
jake was a paid employee, just like the rest of us....gotta show up for work.
Appearantly he wasnt
Like the rest of us??? Lol!!....
@@warinsidemyhead8939 i'd say most of us have someone else that signs our checks.
True enough. These guys were just hired guns. Some stay and some go. It would be nice to be acknowledged for stuff he wrote though...that's an ugly side of Osbourne.
yeah if you believe what Phil says. and Phil is a lair and a snake. that's why Sharon punched him in the face.
gonna have to side with Jake on this. he got screwed every which way with ozzy
I side with Jake until he said he thought they were friends. Really ? After they Totally Screwed you over, and said if you didn't like it they would just get another guitarist and re-record your parts ??? Ehh...I love Jake, but things aren't adding up.
@@shaunclifton5281 I once read Daisleys biography. What for me did not add up he kept working for the Osbournes even though they had screwed him big time.
@@shaunclifton5281Jake has no problem with ozzy. Ozzy didnt make any of the decisions, still doesnt.
@geezberry8889 Bullshit. Listen to his Eddie Trunk interview. He Plainly says, Ozzy came to him and said, " I F'd you. I was F'd over. When you have your own band , you will F them over. It's nothing personal. It's just business. " To which Jake said, " That felt extremely Personal to ME. "
@geezberry8889 Ozzy is a drug-riddled, lost Fool who Screwed people over right along with his Evil wife. His stupid head-butting people and breaking their noses should ha e gotten him PUMMELED decades ago. He has no backbone, or spine. I Wish Greg Chaisson would have made the cut and become his bass player, just so Greg could beat his ass. Headbutting Don Costa, Rudy Sarzo, and whoever else put up with his retarded shit...just pathetic. Tony Iommi should have kicked his ass even more.
the song shot in the dark THE HE!!!! WROTE!!. well i dont know the story who actually wrote it but its interesting!!. was it Overland brothers or was it Phill. i just trowing it out there!!
"Shot in the Dark" was originally composed sometime around 1983 by members of Wildlife, a band featuring Steve Overland, Chris Overland, Simon Kirke of Bad Company, keyboardist Mark Booty, and future Ozzy Osbourne bassist Phil Soussan. Wildlife recorded a demo version of the song that was never officially released. When Soussan joined Ozzy Osbourne's band a couple of years later, he and Osbourne then reworked the song for Ozzy Osbourne's recording and release in early 1986. As a result, there has been much debate over the proper authorship of the song. Although the writing is credited to Soussan and Osbourne, some question whether other members of Wildlife (the Overland brothers, in particular) deserve writing credit for Osbourne's rendition, and what Osbourne's exact role was in the rewriting proces
Jake spoke like he had no control over his own inability to be on time. Dude, all you need to do is give a f**k, take control of your own life and be on time. I hate it when a member of any group holds up the others because they don't or think they can't abide by the schedule. Punctuality is key.
Totally agree!
So true man. I've been in some good cover bands and there is always that one asshole
Punctuality =Profesionalism
I read that OZZY himself was a trainwreck during the first line up and that the rest of the band actually made the music.
@@jonblackers4339 I kinda believe that, but I don't trust Bob Daisley since he kept coming back
Everyone blames Sharon for the most part,but Ozzy allowed all this crap to happen to virtually every member of his solo bands..Ozzy turning his head in NO WAY excuses his jack ass behavior toward his band mates.
exactly. can't believe people can't understand this and put all blame on Sharon. after all who has the balls in the family?
Wow just wow! I can totally beleive this story. I was laid off for the same reason at my job. It was that one day. I needed to be at work and had the warning from my coworkers. and just like that I was a no show and I was unemployed it happens.
Soussan has been trying to steal that song from Steve Overland and Steve’s brother who wrote it. Which is BS on Phil’s behalf.
Yes! FM are a great band!
@@pauricboylan960 yes they certainly are. 🙏
Oh the drama. haha Jake was, and still is the best guitarist after Randy was killed. Why didn't Sharon do what all employers do when an employee isnt showing up on time? Ha. Hey, you need to show up on time or else. Drummer Carmine has said that Jake has some serious social issues and has a habit of going underground and not even answering his phone.
Jake was brilliant For Ozzy. The Rest , I suppose, was Politics
I WOULDVE REALLY LIKE TO SEE JAKE GET SUPER HUGE ... YA KNOW THE WAY HE DESERVED AND HOW IT SHOULDVE BEEN ... HE ONE OF THE NICEST GUYS YOU COULD EVER MEET AND SUPER COOL TO EVERYONE !
Jake was always a guy that looked out for himself, but when it came time to work he was on it like a workhorse, I think Jake was under the impression that he and Ozzy had a great understanding, it’s like if you give a person an inch their take a mile, no gratitude, but a good guitarist that just wasn’t interested enough to be in the studio. 1986 1987 1988 were some pretty hazy years for bands keeping some of their band mates on the same page.
The cocaine. 🙃😐
You have to remember that this shit is all theater. Everything surrounding Ozzy Osbourne is suspect.
Excuse me, but when you work with scum like Sharon and the guy that owes Sabbath, Jake, Randy and Dailey his career you better look out for yourself
Jake looked out for himself but look at every interview at that time expressing his love for Jake and saving him to a degree and Bark at the Moon the entire album Ozzy ripped him off from song residuals.....Jake, Randy, Rudy, Dailey save that loser's career and OMFG CARMINE WANTS TO SELL A SHIRT......THE END OF THE WORLD.
Why wouldn't you look out for yourself? Nobody else does. Stupid comment
It’s funny that in 1991 in the documentary of the band making “No More Tears” the whole band was waiting for Randy to show up saying he’s always the late one. That they are always waiting on Randy to show up to start to work.
So it’s weird and funny right
I’m compelled to side with Phil. Met them both briefly in ‘86, and both were cool.
One other thought - I only saw Ozzy solo once in 1989 with Wylde. Had a great time. But could not help feeling a huge void like “wow it’s all over …. Jake should be up there.” Yeah No More Tears was a big album but let’s face it he was toast. All downhill from there.
I also seem to remember Wylde confronted a fan and may have even jumped off the stage into the pit. He was a total dufus I thought. It just didn’t work for me.
Jake had a flashy yet controlled vibe, it was unique as hell - was half Japanese and all that. It was just totally cool. It worked on all levels. It felt like a natural progression from Spanish intimidator Tony to angel child Rhoads to Lee. A strange continuum but it felt like it was meant to be.
Jake was my favorite Ozzy guitarist as well
Phil who? I see Jake E Lee I click....
I think Sharon’s struggle to tell Jake shows that he really was THAT big of a deal back then. He wasn’t just some hired gun at that point.
I believe how it played out, was after the Ultimate sin album came out, they (Jake included) went in to work on the next Ozzy album that never happened, instead a whole different album (no rest for the wicked) would be released with Zakk Wylde, which I think that album was Zakk’s most awesome, >>INNOVATIVE
Sharron has a lot of power in the music industry. If you're not someone who has a solid fan base you're gone if she don't like you. She's wrecked havoc on Iron Maiden, Just Because Bruce said to the crowd, We're the same bunch of guys that have been here for over 40 years. Unlike someone who you probably came here to see." As they were warming up for Ozzy. Sharron pulled some nasty trailer park trash on the band after that remark.
The high road. Well done, Phil.
Guess why Jake didn't show up to rehearsals. He had no motivation because he gave Ozzy gold and got pooped on in return. I wouldn't have shown up either.
things like this make my brain have a meltdown and I m already kinda certified insane
When that much money is on the line, being on time is even more important.
They weren't paying Jake that much money. He was being paid like a session musician he was on a salary.
Phil is obviously lying about this, but they were all victims of Sharon and Ozzy
Its not obvious that he's lying - whats your proof?
@@lastdaysguitar Easy Ozzy hated Phil
@@cheeseguy4998 So even if that were true, because someone hates you - that makes you a liar??? Pretty shaky logic there!
@@lastdaysguitar Ozzy himself fired Phil 3 times duh
@@lastdaysguitar Where has Phil's career gone after Ozzy downhill big time.
I remember reading Jake felt used by Ozzy and Sharon. But if youre habitually late, I can certainly see that being a major issue.
Sorry But I trust Jake way more than some has been named Phility Phil.
Phil reacted here with respect and dignity.
Jake got no royalties Sharon said if he wanted to go on tour he would have to sign away any publishing rights. He went on tour and lost millions.
I would have to agree with his assessment of Sharon. If he had that power, he’d still be playing bass for Ozzy.
Jake was the man. Power guitar is what kept Ozzy going.
you know what they say, there are three sides to every story: Your Side, My Side, and The Truth
Sounds to me like she "pseudo-fired" him (without telling him), didn't tell him about rehearsal, and then used that as a way to tell the band he was out.
But Im sure Randy Rhoads was always on time,. He was so dedicated to his craft not saying Jake wasn't but its a job and you need to respect it and the employers. But then again, Bob Daisley would say that in 1985 making the Ultimate Sin, Ozzy would be in and out of the betty ford clinic, and would come to rehearsals. Sometimes he would just dissappear.
They shouldn’t have fired Jake.
Early is 'on time', on time is late, & late is disrespectful... anyone who's habitually late has no respect for the value of anyone else's time...friends or not, if you're constantly holding up a multimillion dollar operation, you deserve to get fired... everyone's replaceable, be early...
Say what you want but I don’t think Zakk was a good replacement. I never thought his playing was good enough to be in the lineage of Randy and Jake.
The ozzy camp is a pos. Ozzy wouldn't even give founding drummer Lee Kirslake any platinum or gold records for his wall when he was in hospice. Lee asked for them and never received them. Ozzy never wrote a note or any lyrics, still doesn't so there's that fact that6 NOBODY seems to ever want to talk about.
According to Tommy Aldridge Sharon was pretty loose with Ozzy's bandmates she wanted one last shot in the dark with Jake that's why she went back to the room with him after dinner
Ozzy and Sharon. Enough said.
Jake doesn't give two shits what people think, anybody with that LEVEL of TALENT doesn't need to..
sorta sad.
Sab fan since '70.
'83, i take my young nephew to see The Ultimate Sin era of Ozzy....poor kid of 13 nearly puking on the way to the line,
He went semi pro as a guitar player. Not bad ;)
Life is short now. One gets tired of the trash talk,,,,
I know, 'pass...' yep...
Hate to say it but this is kinda what I like about the music business proving IN PUBLIC the nature of man. Cold
Sharon. Thats it. The common denominator in all of the chaos and disasters have always been Sharon. These guys need to stop letting her legacy divide them.
It's hard enough being married. But signing your life away to the same person twice - marriage (management) and then a business management deal on top of that? No thank you. Nothing is worth that.
Was Phil their tour bassist? I thought Bob Daisley wrote the music and played bass on those albums.
When I was a kid going to Warehouse Music or Tower Records or any other place to buy my latest heavy metal cassette tape. I always saw Ozzys Bark At the Moon tape in the bargain bin. Blizzard, Diary, Ultimate were never in the bargain bin but for some reason Bark was and at every fucking music store.....we all know what it means when you see something in the bargain bin, it means the album was selling poorly and the music store can't give it away to save their lives....
But now I'm wondering if this was a purposeful Sharan tactic to downplay the album and force it into bargain bin status just in case she loses a court battle with Jake and ends up owing him royalty riches.
I’m sure that Jake did stop showing up, given that he was getting screwed out of all the writing credits and royalties. I wish Jake would reunite with Ozzy, but it looks like time is running out on that possibility
i was in a band with Phil's brother once.
Me too 😀
Thank goodness for Jake being hired by the Osbournes. Otherwise, we never would had heard the Warren DiMartini riff to Lay it Down.
Lay it Down > Shit in the Dark x1,000,000,000,000 etc...
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@@cheeseguy4998 Warren replaced Jake in Ratt, now you know.
@@davidhoopaugh I already knew that duh
@@davidhoopaugh i have known that for years
Jake's explanation that Jake wanted more input and ozzy didn't want to share makes more sense.
They wouldn't let Jake write songs that he wanted to write. Jake said that on trunk interview.
I would stop showing up too
It’s not possible for this story to make any LESS sense. What the hell am I missing? Jake just doesn’t show up to rehearsal/studio for MONTHS and then is surprised and even pissed that he was fired? I guess someone needed to tell Jake that he actually QUIT the band and was never fired.
sounds like Bull S-t to me
Jake wrote those 2 records with Daisley, maybe they just were ready for a different songwriter
@Truth is Harsh lol sounds about right, as a bass player who also plays guitar you are the support of the guitar.
no one ever gets the attention as a bass player John Paul Jones wrote Heart Breaker and Black Dog on Bass no one cares because he let Jimmy be the star
@@TheApocalypse2031 Phil was out before the record was even recorded. Steve played all the bass on it.
Steve WHO? ....NEVER heard of "a bassist named Steve" that played on ANY OZZY album.... Lol
@@TheApocalypse2031 Steve recorded ALL of the bass of the album. As well as all of the guitar. Musically, it's only Steve Stevens & Vikki Foxx on that record. You can find plenty of interviews on yt with Stevens where he states that.
@@jamescon55 Steve Stevens. Talking about Vince Neil's Exposed record.
Y'know, geniuses are notoriously bad at living up to the expectations of others. If you're gonna work with a genius, you're gonna have to allow them a little leeway in their behavior. Jake was better off leaving Ozzy anyway, but it's a damn shame what happened with Badlands. That was some of the best music Jake ever produced. That band was his baby, and they could've been huge if not for Atlantic Records throwing the remaining band members under the bus after Ray Gillen's death. Talk about a travesty of justice. How does hurting the living punish the dead anyway? It's no wonder Jake went full-on recluse for a while after that. I just hope he's living a happy life now with his (relatively) new wife and his daughter -- the poor sod deserves some earthly reward for all his troubles.
shot in the dark was a cover from FM an 80s band.
I heard it was a telegram that informed him of being fired
Jake was awesome. The Past is the Past and who cares it's written and done!
So no one can ever discuss the past? What a moronic point of view
Phil is one of the most friendliest, humble, and honest musician. And Randy was cut from the same cloth.
and just FYI, I have over a thousand riffs, and am called the Riffmaster'''''''''
They all were pissed/intoxicated and had a huge egos. No surprise there are so many versions of the same story. The truth lays probably in the middle somewhere...
The reason Ozzy or Kelly didn't pursue me, was because Ozzy was having stomach issues that day', so'''''' damn if I ain't got em too''''''' P.S. you can find the preamble below in the closest review with the Ozzy show context'.
Sharon has recorded all the old songs , so all sales go to her and ozzy
Any one who’s ever been in even just a local garage band will tell you is one fast way to piss off the entire band & turn everyone against you is to be late for rehersal all the time. How the hell Guns N’ Roses stayed together as long as they did is literally a miracle.
One of the biggest complaints the Motley Crue guys had against Vince was he was always late or a no-show.
So Jake admitted that he was always late for things. Doesn’t mean his side of the story didn’t have anything to do with it.
Seems to me that the Ozzy mgmt staff would’ve given him at least some kind of notice that he was in breach of contract to give him a chance to fix the problem. Seems kind of underhanded to let someone be late all the time, and never have a serious conversation with them about it.
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I believe Jake.
yeah Sharon was always pretty close with Ozzy's guitar players. sometimes a little too close. for those of you who don't know, she banged Randy Rhoads
Sharon- "We were just talking"
Ozzy- "You shouldn't talk with your mouth full".
@@allthatyoutouch3164 lol i'm also pretty sure it was back when she was stil a "big girl" too. and randy's so tiny, must have looked pretty interesting lmao
@@comet206 I just researched it a bit and Sharon described it as a "Threesome". Her, Randy and Ozzy. I didn't know that.
Yes Sharon was a big girl.
@@allthatyoutouch3164 well that makes me feel a little better. although i can't imagine a weirder threesome lol
Bloom- this is one of your BEST bro! I used to hang with Andrew and Phil at parties years ago and I dont see Phil as a sabatoging type. (I obviously never talked about this subject though haha) . Never met Jake and he’s a MASSIVE influence on me but I would take Phils side from hearing both now. Love this segment! Keep going!
I saw ozzy and Jake on the ultimate sin tour and when they played chicago, Jake was so drunk that he couldn't move. He was leaning against the amps and couldn't do the encore.
1st time EVER hearing "Jake was so drunk on stage/couldn't move or do an encore as result"....1st time EVER actually hearing that "JAKE WAS DRUNK", PERIOD FTM (as it's a well known fact that Lee wasn't a big drinker nor drug abuser). I'm NOT saying it couldn't HAVE happened/you are "lying" etc....I DO know Jake HAD become totally uninterested in playing with Ozzy in the latter Ultimate Sin era so..? Anything is possible... Jake's "secret weapon" his upcoming personal band BADLANDS was waaay better than ANY of The Ultimate Sin era OZZY material IMPHO anyways..... Maybe if lucky? Someone filmed THAT Chicago show and it's on TH-cam or something. Again? NEVER seen nor heard where Jake "wasn't pulling it OFF" on stage, EVER.....🤔....ROCK the funk ON 🤘🔥🤘
@@jamescon55 your full of it. There's multiple interviews out there where Jake's not only talking about his alcohol problems but drinking hardbar in the interview.
@@benjaminaxselholm FULL of IT ehh...🤔 Point WAS (and STILL IS) , Jake ALWAYS seemed to "perform live, JUST fine". AND so. Until "me myself and I" HAVE SEEN different? (some actual FOOTAGE or somethin) My reply STANDS...IDK ANYTHING about Jake's LATTER years "drinking in interviews" etc. 🤷 as I don't spend lotta time on the net, in general actually. (Especially watchin videos). Links....? 🤔 But yeah, guess I am 🤔 STILL "full of it" then. ...I guess... Lol. 😏
@@jamescon55 pretty sure there is a bootleg out here on You Tube on that show and yes Jake was off - it happens
I was Jake's tech at that time. He had hurt his back in such a way that he could barely move but I don't remember how. At some point he thought some booze would help loosen things up. It just made things worse.
It hardly matters 30+ years later
Who hasn’t been fired from Ozzy??? Damn near everyone. I’m not sure about Zack but I’ve heard they were close to firing him for drinking around Ozzy when Ozzy was trying to clean up. Yeah. Zack and Randy are probably the only 2 that didn’t get fired at any point.
Ozzy made Jake fire George Lynch when he was hired. George replaced Brad gillis. And the list goes on
Zack must be a total yes man to last this long. That's all I can figure.
@@Biden_Cult_Morons Agreed, though he was replaced by Gus G around 2010 and if I remember correctly Zakk was initially pissed since no one told him directly. He got over it pretty quick.
I like Jake but Phil sounds more realistic here.
I don't know. Phil's version is he helps to hire Zakk and then is fired himself.
I don't think Phil had anything to do with Zak being hired . I think it was some photographer that had a hand in it . Zakk played at his wedding or something.
@@jamesgood9713 who said anything about Zakk. This is about Jake.
@@trance9158 Somebody pointed out how Phil claims to have found Zakk....
@@jamesgood9713 That photographer would be Mark Weiss. He handed Ozzy Jeff's (before he became Zakk) demo tape.
Love Jake so much, but early zakk albums had to be so we can hear both.
My No1 Ozzy axeman - Jake E Lee
The Overland brothers wrote shot in the dark and wern't credited
so you read a statement from Phil and you call that "firing back"? ok ... Phil saying "if anyone thinks I had the power to influence Sharon" and thats the "firing back", really ... he didn't need to convince Sharon, all he needed to do is get in Ozzy's ear and a paranoid easily influenced Ozzy would get worked up and then get Sharon involved. Lets not forget that Phil was in the band for 1 album and Tour and wrote the grand total of ONE song on the ultimate sin ... Jake and Bob wrote the rest ..
I absolutely despise musicians who can not show up on time, so I am going to take the Osborne side on this..
Jake E Lee is a Hero to me ......