Why This Budget Longines Timepiece Is Stirring Up Controversy
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- This little Longines Heritage Military may be inconspicuous, may seem like just a watch-but it’s not. It’s part of the biggest controversy to ever face watchmaking. Face … or should I say dial?
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I actually love the simple Longines watches in this line. This is a watch I could daily wear without having to freak out about it.
I like it. The problem with shabby chic furniture is so much is unnatural with the distressing. Scratches and wear are in places where it wouldn't occur over time. I feel the dial here looks natural. This is what I'd expect a vintage dial to look like. However, while I feel they did a good job, I'd rather a clean dial. That being said I wouldn't pass up a great deal on this watch.
Exactly they aged up the dial a bit to give it some character, while at the same time knowing that people still want to read the dial. So *just* enough to look good without overdoing it, unlike so many "vintage" pintrest diy worn furnishings haha - glad I'm not the only one.
It's fake!
I didn't even realise it was supposed to look old/patinated, I just thought it was a style choice to make a dial with a grainy texture, and in that frame of mind I really like it. To me it's just a nice dial texture, I couldn't care less what the intention behind it was. Death of the author and all that.
I agree. I love that Longines has tried this. It brings a nice textural dimension to this watch. I mean, it's not like this is causing the market price for old military-issue watches to crash, right? And if it did--who cares?
@@OuijTube that would make things better for me :p
I agree. It doesn't look faux to me at all. This watch dial looks classic. I love it.
Didn't realize it until I saw this video. And being a member of a lot of watch groups, I haven't come across any issue talking about the dial or faux patina. Well discussions are almost always Rolex, Omega and some high end brands.
My opinion? It’s a thing of beauty and deserving of respect for what it is - there’s no way I could justify owning a problematic vintage watch over say 50 years old - this is the perfect companion for the equally gorgeous Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical
FFS it's fake man!
Like everything, it’s a matter of personal taste and as the man himself said, it gives us something to talk about. I think these look great snd Longines as a brand are pretty much unmatched for what they offer at the price they do. More please! 👍
In the case of any faux aging, I think it’s best to check your rules or principles at the door and just look at the watch. Do you like it or not? Once you’ve decided, you can work backwards and decide if all the other details including the movement and the manufacturing process fit your preferences.
While some may see this watch as regressive, I see it as looking ahead to an era where aged dials are not going to be as common due to the use of modern materials that resist aging and patina. The only ways to achieve this look will be to build it into the watch from the start or to buy a potentially unreliable vintage piece.
Personally, my gut reaction is this is an attractive piece from an excellent brand with great historical significance. I’d be happy to wear it.
There's nothing "cheap" about this watch.
I think it looks sick. you get the vintage look without having to deal with the difficulty to get and take care of.
I have the original version of this watch made by Omega (Omega CK2292). This watch is beautiful. I can see why some dislike it... but it's still a beautiful piece. The original is far too valuable and fragile to wear at all times. This is a great way to get the look and feel of that old watch without worrying about destroying a piece of history. This is a great watch and tribute.
The new column wheel chronographs look amazing at the price point and Longines has such a storied history that it is a genuine bargain
Gut reaction: I think it's pretty. The dial reminds me of paper. I've seen it in person and I feels like Longines had some fun with lore.
Longines makes such a great comeback with their retro line. Just look at the Conquest Heritage Chrono. But I am not so much an fan of faux patina.
Couldn't agree more.
The spirit is stunning on wrist! At this price point, hard to find better.
@@robinmarples5198 impossible to find better.
I'd choose the Longines Heritage Military Marine Nationale over this one.
I like it. If “neoclassical” can be a classy architectural style, then “neovintage” can be a classy watch design.
I like it. I collect and restore old fishing reels and very much enjoy using them. As for watches they are beyond my skill level to restore. I can't wait to get mine it will be a perfect match to wear when fishing with one of my old favorite fishing reels and bamboo or fiberglass rods from the pre wars era.
“Pleasing attraction”; yes. Sorry folks, but this is yet again another example of Longines at its best, providing a very fine watch from within its Heritage collection steeped in great quality and looks. I applaud the intentional faux aging on the dial. See this piece in person, and be wowed.
05:20 You can hear Andrew's inner Sir Humphrey coming out.
I think the watch has beautiful proportions and the blued hands on the creme white dial look amazing, no matter if its supposed to suggest age or not, but the dark spots kind of bother me
Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it.
I think it makes for a good conversation starter and it makes each one unique...
Brand-new jeans: $40
Pre-ripped, "distressed" jeans: $140
I have mine on a beads of rice and I think it looks absolutely fantastic. Admittedly, a BOR was never a pilot's choice, as far as I know, but hey, it's my watch and therefore I have the right... ..To anyone on the fence I would say this: the vanilla dial is incredibly versatile and can cover most occasions. This is a heritage watch and hence no more of a "lie" than any other vintage watch that is reimagined for the 21st century!
A big part of the beauty of real patina is that it shows continuous historic layers of use and exposure to the world. The disgust many people feel towards fauxtina may come not only from the borrowed glory these pieces convey. It also roots in a semi-conscious confusion about the state of, well, society: for the first time in history the world can no longer cherish the new things because (maybe) it's got so little to offer that could age as gracefully as these historic references. The watch industry with its heavy reliance on reissues and artificial ageing is just the tip of the iceberg.
I love this, it looks so beautiful to me. I'm really considering getting one.
I get the whole "fauxtina" thing. It is very subjective and I think this Longines looks beautiful like that. It's more of a style than trying to look old. In regards of the luminous paint using the cream color can add some good contrast to the dial and add cohesion to the piece rather than just trying to look patinated
Same thing happened with guitars when Fender came out with their relic guitars. Back then everyone was asking who would buy one, now people pay a premium for them.
I think this looks great personally.
I was going to say the same thing, lol. The guitar community has embraced relicing much faster than the horological community.
I just don’t get the relic thing, just scratch it "indirectly" lol
I’m just glad they kept the date window away from it:)
Waiting for Longines to introduce in-house movements to raise to it's former glory. Omega & Longines VS Rolex & Tudor can be way more interesting that way.
Given that Omega and Longines are both Swatch-group companies, the question of "in-house" isn't terribly relevant. I'd like to see some of the improvements shown in Omega and Longines movements migrate out and trickle down to the larger ETA/Swatch umbrella.
Omega has to up their marketing game man, have you seen their vid with Kaia Gerber?
I guess, but does anyone think Omega’s in-house movements aren’t really made by ETA?
@@Angry_Gnome their movements are actually made in-house, but that isn’t good enough
@@Angry_Gnome So what if they are, they are hardly off the shelf movements. They can pretty much get whatever they want.
Love this watch.
The "fauxtina-spots" on the dial are a bit daft and silly, but I imagine you don't see them very clearly with the naked eye. Other than that the watch looks great. The beige dial and blue hands look fantastic.
It should have been a manual and not an automatic, though.
Not a fan of this watch, BUT, at least the “detritus” pattern isn’t a mirror image on all pieces.
I love it. Love the blue hands. Off white dial! Sweet!
It would be nice to see a whole video on their heritage collection
Artificial aging bothers me usually, especially when they take it too far like on guitars. But on this watch, it's really quite subtle and doesn't look anything like any of my old dials, so I didn't even realise they were trying to make it look old.
The gut reaction was indifference! If given the choice I would buy the vintage piece because I happen to be in a vintage hunting mood recently.
its one of those watch that went back to the basic fundamentals of watch making, to tell time. i like of cream off white streamline and clean dial, the faux patina adds more character to the watch. love it.
I very much like the watch and don't mind the brown speckling to mimic age. The slightly larger size is great for those of us who don't always wear our reading glasses. On the other hand not sure about the engraving on the case back. Not a deal breaker and to be fair it clearly says HERITAGE.
Overall I like homage watches but in many cases the lume is overdone. I would prefer a middle ground on that.
Honestly I feel atracted to it, maybe is because I like small size watches... maybe because I have a pair of vintage omega's that aren't from big "pedigri" at all, one from 1952 and the other from 1934, like you said, it's a matter of taste, in the end, if possible, it will be pleasand to see two togheter, to find out if the dials are unique or mass series production.
They're unique. They're hand-painted, or should I say, "flicked."
As I generally wear vintage watches (currently wearing a 1947 Omega that I’ve just bought) I love it but as I’d like it smaller, maybe 36mm and to have more water resistance as a new “vintage” watch which is what I get with my Smiths that I wear when I don’t want to risk a genuine vintage watch. I do wear modern larger watches but if it looks old it should be a classic size.
I bought an Omega 6B/159 1942 recently.
One of the worst things about this re-creation is the fact that the Longines name on the dial is visibly a sticker. Are the hands genuine blued steel, or painted blue? I fear the latter.
I like patinated dial. But,,...the bluing on the hands looks chemically done.
Lacks the richness of heated in oil
bluing.
I might be wrong.....though..
I may be missing something, but I thought all the members of the Dirty Dozen, including Longines, had a black dial and the examples of the Longines version I’ve seen had sub seconds.
Only way I can consider this weathered look because the patina is unique for each piece, (similar to the Oris Aquis Upcycle), anything on the lines of the GS White Birch, and many including me wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Violin makers do this all the time. Rolling the backs on rock salt, adding dirt to the varnish, giving artificial wear marks to make it look like it has been resting on a shoulder for decades. It fools nobody and is not meant to. It's just been so established that the old Strads and Del Gesus and their 300-year-old contemporaries are deemed the standard that even perfect, fresh-from-the-workshop violins just "look better" to many with these blemishes. Maybe this is happening to pre-quartz watches.
I generally don’t like fake-aged things, like relic-ed guitars, where you’re paying more to get your brand new guitar beat up. Meanwhile with some informed searching on eBay you can find a genuine vintage guitar that is still in great shape but has natural patina for much less money. This Longines has been “aged” with some restraint and I actually like it, especially at its price point.
See if they made 2 different dials the nice un paintbrush flicked one would be 500$ more for sureeeee
I don’t like how they wrote heritage military in huge letters on the case back
Watch is both an instrument of measuring time and an art piece. That’s what i lke about them, and love the look of this piece from Longines
Wish it had a bit of lume somewhere, but looks fantastic
I dont mind the fauxtina dial.
Beats the hell out of anything skeletonised imo.
The lack of lume, however, makes it a "never in a month of Sundays" for me though.
That each dial is uniquely patina-ed saves this quirk from being reviled. If, like pre-torn blue jeans in which the tears on one pair are the same on every other pair, this pattern of patina was repeated across every piece, well, that would warrant disdain.
There are so many things to admire about this watch, sensible proportions, a heritage brand, sub 12mm thickness, beautiful hands and clear legible dial. As the presenter says, I wish they had given the consumer the option of buying a standard watch or the faux patina version, I would love to see how the sales stack up.
For my money the 'Heritage Military' on the back should go as well. It is not a military watch - it is a remake of a WW2 watch with a better movement, manufacturing techniques and tolerances, you also get a warranty. Just enjoy it for that. The crisp case and immaculate crystal give it away to anyone who glances over at it.
The reason those true vintage watches with their patina are so desirable is because they have stories to tell. Someone loved it so much and went through so much and it has stood the test of time. Faux patina is just silly in my opinion. Just like people sanding wear marks into guitars so that they look like they have been toured for 50 years.
Wanted more information when you covered this a year or so ago so glad to see this vide. Personally I love it, think it looks fantastic.
A cream textured dial without the brown spots and it's 10/10. The extra step of putting brown spots on it to make it look old ruins it for me but I understand why a lot of people really like it.
That’s very well said! It’s good it exists! I personally like this design but not sure how the dial will evolve. Please talk about hmoser streamliners if you have any chance! Cheers
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Looks like the Tudor Oyster I just picked up.
As I get more experiences with different watches I’ve come to enjoy fauxtina sometimes. I like it here, and on the Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical. Not a fan the way IWC uses it for some reason.
i love it.....i would own one,and whats wrong with the original manufacturer paying homage to one of its own early models.
Longines do love their 25200 movements
I have no issue with it. If not for this video I'd not have had a clue they were trying to make it look old. It's just a nice design style on its face.
Fender starting doing the same things with a line of their guitars too. You can get a brand new guitar the tally has dings/dents, peeled off paint and a worn fretboard.
The problem with the watch is not the dial, it is the size, too big compared to the original one. This watch at 34-36mm would be way better.
I can go either way with it, I mean, if someone gave it to me I certainly wouldn't kick it out of my watch box.
I love it! Vintage look without the vintage nuances!
I've held it and tried it on. I like it a lot.
I liked it, right up to the point you said the price. Shame, without the patina on the dial, I would consider buying it.
I long for the day when shabby chic is seen as simply shabby. I very much like the simplicity of this watch. It would look so much better, indeed somewhat chic without the fake spots.
I would prefer if they made the dial in such a way that it would age like raw denim or leather.
Like it , don’t mind the dots looks good .
I thought it would be cool if the dial lite up .
I think it's a gorgeous watch. More because of the size, dome crystal and those stunning hands.
Sounds to me like the vintage collectors envy/entitlement of not wanting ordinary people and non-collectors to have a cheaper brand new watch that looks like the collectors piece. I mean the original collectors watch is probably a lot more expensive. It's like the owner of an original painting not to want others to have a cheap replica of it.
I like the watch. I saw it at my local AD a few weeks ago and took time to try it on. Overall a nice homage to watches from the past.
Beautiful hands. My reaction to the dial is it’s ok, kind of cool idea. I’m more attracted to the hands and overall simplistic look.
Hi, I appreciate your work. Great video content.
Would you please be so kind as to make a video about the Calibre de Cartier, specifically the diver model?
Thank you in advance.
LOL!!!! "Case by case basis" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't see any controversy,I knew this is a new watch,as I saw it when it was released....Great vintage inspired watch.Longines is on the move past few years with vintage and affordable great looking watches...doing some great stuff.
faux patina can look good.
this one looks good, omega’s not time to die seamaster looks good, the yellowish tone of the markers in the james bond seamaster look good.
personally, i have a sweet spot for cream dials all the way from credor to this.
the interesting bit is going to happen when these applications develop real patina over time, and honestly, that’s going to look interesting.
Someone who likes Greek marble columns probably won't like English Tudor cottages. Its just a personal syle thing. I don't think its any more dishonest than wearing a 100m dive watch when you never do more than shower.
Strangely, I love the faux patina as it does look natural yet still looks perfect. When I buy something I want perfection. When it becomes naturally patinated I lose all interest. I wouldn't buy a naturally patinated vintage watch as it would feel less than perfect, I'd rather have an immaculate NOS watch with no signs of age.
I know, I'm wierd!
yes should have 2 version XD could have sell to both side
60% not surbscribed? Seems 20pp better than some time ago ;)
As for Longines… stunner…
Doesn't Laco patina their fligers and sells them at 4 times the price? Didn't they do it first?
As I have a 1940 original 6b/159 I find this a bit weird.
I like it. A lot. For me, it's simply an homage to their own heritage.
if the dial was described as speckled eggshell I would believe it and I wouldn't have a problem with it. I still don't have a problem with it .
Not sure why they bothered with the black speckles the main colour of the dial would have looked good on its own.
As long as Longines aren't making it out to be something it's not, then I applaud their creativity. It's a damnsite better watch than some of those Omega faux patina indices things with the worry wart at 10:30...
The dial is less irritated than fauxtinated lumes on other watches
I’ve no problem with it, it’s not like they are out to hoodwink people and con them out of money. I think it’s a good looking watch, I’d consider buying one.
I haven't got enough time to buy a pristine one and wait 100 years for the patina to arrive, so I'm ok with it. :-)
I don't mind fauxtina but this watch would look ace with fresh, clean, brand-spanking new enamel and real heat-blued hands.
I am rather impressed with how well the watch community is handling this according to the comments. In the guitar community "relics" have a big hit for about a decade already but nothing has been more polarizing. Some people are writing endless hateful comments towards people artificially aging their instruments. Personally I like the style but don't look down on people for wanting their instruments to look new. In fact I don't get how some people can get so fired up about how others like their things to look.
I like the watch - but not sure it really looks vintage.
My feelings: Apathy, yet I fully understand the anger of the purists. I also understand the feelings of the people that like the aesthetics. I come from the guitar world, and distressed guitars are a staple. Some people don't care for them, but there's generally no rage about it. Not sure why it's different in the watch world.
The same things are happening with the relic guitats....
Oh... I've been saying controversy wrong this whole time
If I had your job I would live in fear of a piece of tissue being stuck to a fing.
I think it's a stunner. No need to over-think it.