@@LumosTheromax well I originally went to check your videos debunking Drip Sauce’s “scale” on DC, then I kind of took an interest in your channel’s content in general. I’m actually liking it so far.
@@LumosTheromax after death metal does Thomas Wayne jr owelman from crime syndicate have memoriesfrom precrisis earth 3 post crisis animatter earth new 52 earth 3 and dc rebirth earth 3 ? And his mental powers from precrisis earth 3 ?
@@marquisdouglas1816It's stated in a databook that he created them to do his will An interview with the writer basically says,in the source,there's an endless hierarchy of hands,before finally arriving at the presence
@@amogus1415 so, in green lantern #12 dc confirmed the source is jack Kirby. So, does this mean the presences is a part of the source? (Not sure if this is a dumb question lol)
@@amogus1415 and how does the archangel fit in this are they technically the hands as well. 🥴but they have to be weaker then perpetua because it took micheal gaberial and Lucifer to create a multiverse.
Ya know something? After watching this whole video, i just realized how great of a Villain Perpetua is. I mean really think about how many strings have lead back to her throughout almost all of DC apparently. Her multiverse, every multiverse that can before it. Every villain (I mean except for the ones influenced by the Great Darkness), they thought they were the ones in control. Only to find out that they were all pieces of a greater puzzle. A twisted game, a twisted multiverse made by a twisted god. I haven't really read much of DC. But from what i can tell, Perpetua is probably one of my favorite villains simply because she was pulling the strings throughout multiple crisis events. I personally wish we got to see much more of her. Also, this video is honestly incredible. In 50 minutes, i learned more about DC then i will actually talking to the people who wrote the comics. And not only that but it covered almost a century worth of comics, in an actually comprehensive format. W video man, W video 👏👏👏
Not as important in-universe but out of universe maybe the single most important point was the first meeting of Barry Allen and Jary Garrick establishing the multiverse which began the fixation on an ever larger and more complex cosmology, as well as the tradition of team-ups between the JLA and the JSA. In universe I would probably add the death of Urgrund and the resulting Godwave which created the gods and superheroes of the multiverse.
There's a few minor events I can think of. Everything Lucifer did with his new universe/multivese, dumping the entire DC structure into his multiverse to save it. In Sandman when Cats were the real winners of evolution on Earth, until humans dreamed reality to change. The canon JLA/Avengers causing the worlds to merge, but Hal Spectre reversed it. Or the sort of canon Marvel/DC when the worlds actually fused, until it was reversed, it's sort of canon because Axel Asher has shown up in both Marvel and DCs main universes. Amazing video btw!
Thanks a ton! I called out the origins for the Lucifer stuff but decided to not go too heavy into his stuff otherwise I’d just say everything he did and it would have bogged down things for the video to the point of being over an hour The Lucifer stuff is coming though… don’t worry The jla crossover stuff is canon and it’s a world I. The orrery In the modern day. A fun story but didn’t think it was to important to dcs overall stuff but I do have a video out soon on that jla crossover
Thank You So much for this video, I stopped reading everything in DC in chronological order back in Death Metal (i think it was in 2020) because of work but now i am fully caught up with DC history once Again!!! Bless you Lumos Theromax you are doing The Presence' Work
@@LumosTheromax Appreciate it. I was a lick. Had to learn. Hopefully I’m good & they go for real money or just leave folks alone. 🤷♂️ Thanks for the goods.
I thought about it but I focused mainly on the earth 0 content or things that were more impactful directly to it It’s not that the new gods aren’t important All of the god sphere stuff intertwines with earth 0 it’s just not as foundational as the stuff mentioned here And if I did that would be a 40 minute video unto itself
@@Lord_khaos3225 true but the content people pay for/Theromax corps members get first pick on the channel It’s on the docket but unless something changes/it gets a sponsorship it’s sitting there
I haven't watched the video yet but the brothers archangels and all angels predate creation. DC has multiple upon multiple multiverses successful ones and failed ones
I don’t care? I see how he interacts with people and talks about me in his discord He also said this was all just for clout so he basically just wants to attack a larger creator to get his name out there more I’m not promoting that
I unsubscribed to his channel after that stuff he said about dc, That little boi biased af, thats what happens when you let a 20 year old learn power scalling off of tiktok
46:49 also convergence doesn't fit with both crisis on infinite earths and dark crisis on infinite earths so I can't make sense of DC history but you can do thank you
@@LumosTheromax the ending of convergence is that the crisis on infinite earths never happened meaning the infinite multiverse was never destroyed dark crisis on infinite earths only can happen if original infinite multiverse was destroyed
@@LumosTheromax in krona version one look created an infinite multiverse. In meta verse version the the flash of two worlds story created the split of pre crisis earth 1 and 2 than crisis created another earth in addition to the previous 2 1985 and there were more than just one earth in the post crisis era so they don't fit . In other words in krona multiverse is mistake in meta verse the earths are designed to preserve every version of kal el superman
5:06 this is ignoring crona creating the multiverse by looking at the hand/beginning of creation perpetua is a scot snider retcon during his justice league run to replace the doc manhatten doomsday clock retcon of Geoff johns 6:36 never mind i was wrong
@@LumosTheromax i mean in real life not in comics sorry for not being clear ; although there is a concept of soul grafting or eeboor in Hebrew in Jewish law for for the 13 tribes in jewdaism and perhaps in other areas
The Presence The One Above All YHWH and The Supreme Creator are aspects of the same Supreme Being so The Pre-Crisis Multiverse still remains in existence in a series of separate Multiverse stacks and bubbles separated by various hyperdimensional bulks and quantum energy fields. Every so-called reboot is just another additional series of Multiverse stacks and Multiverse bubbles separated by various hyperdimensional bulks and quantum energy fields created by The Supreme Creator of THE OMNIVERSE
Wow this video takes a lot of knowledge on dc to make I trust no one more than you on dc you can say Superman is the weakest on the justice league and I’ll believe you😂
Nah! Bro literally compressed decades upon decades of DC history into a 48+ minute video… props to you.
@@LumosTheromax well I originally went to check your videos debunking Drip Sauce’s “scale” on DC, then I kind of took an interest in your channel’s content in general. I’m actually liking it so far.
@@themightofgeburah5882 glad to see you enjoyed the content
I do all sorts of dc stuff nowadays but I used to be known as more of a lantern guy
Liked and subscribed to try and undo the damage of the Dr. Goons incident.
LOL
Thanks
@@TheKryptonianSaiyan he was talking about me!
I have a video that explains the context to viewers but it’s premium only
@@TheKryptonianSaiyan it was funny af
33:04 in other words Geoff johns was like Pandora who's that no we are using doctor Manhattan
Yup
@@LumosTheromax after death metal does Thomas Wayne jr owelman from crime syndicate have memoriesfrom precrisis earth 3 post crisis animatter earth new 52 earth 3 and dc rebirth earth 3 ? And his mental powers from precrisis earth 3 ?
The presence literally rebooted the multiverse after perpetua didn't do her work the right way 🙏
So with this being said does it mean that the presences is technically a super celestial? (Like perpetua)
@@marquisdouglas1816It's stated in a databook that he created them to do his will
An interview with the writer basically says,in the source,there's an endless hierarchy of hands,before finally arriving at the presence
@@amogus1415 so, in green lantern #12 dc confirmed the source is jack Kirby. So, does this mean the presences is a part of the source? (Not sure if this is a dumb question lol)
@@amogus1415 and how does the archangel fit in this are they technically the hands as well. 🥴but they have to be weaker then perpetua because it took micheal gaberial and Lucifer to create a multiverse.
@@marquisdouglas1816 The presence is the source
Ima grab some popcorn and soda for this vid
It’s long so you aren’t wrong
Black clover for life❤
This was a great analogy of the DC history and Krona is an interesting character to look at
That was fascinating! I love me some crazy DC cosmology
Glad you enjoyed it!
Ya know something? After watching this whole video, i just realized how great of a Villain Perpetua is. I mean really think about how many strings have lead back to her throughout almost all of DC apparently. Her multiverse, every multiverse that can before it. Every villain (I mean except for the ones influenced by the Great Darkness), they thought they were the ones in control. Only to find out that they were all pieces of a greater puzzle. A twisted game, a twisted multiverse made by a twisted god. I haven't really read much of DC. But from what i can tell, Perpetua is probably one of my favorite villains simply because she was pulling the strings throughout multiple crisis events. I personally wish we got to see much more of her.
Also, this video is honestly incredible. In 50 minutes, i learned more about DC then i will actually talking to the people who wrote the comics. And not only that but it covered almost a century worth of comics, in an actually comprehensive format. W video man, W video 👏👏👏
Your too kind
It was a ton of work and I’m glad you enjoyed it
Mommy Perpetua.❤❤❤😂🔥
A video like this was very much needed; excellent work 👍
Not as important in-universe but out of universe maybe the single most important point was the first meeting of Barry Allen and Jary Garrick establishing the multiverse which began the fixation on an ever larger and more complex cosmology, as well as the tradition of team-ups between the JLA and the JSA.
In universe I would probably add the death of Urgrund and the resulting Godwave which created the gods and superheroes of the multiverse.
There's a few minor events I can think of. Everything Lucifer did with his new universe/multivese, dumping the entire DC structure into his multiverse to save it. In Sandman when Cats were the real winners of evolution on Earth, until humans dreamed reality to change. The canon JLA/Avengers causing the worlds to merge, but Hal Spectre reversed it. Or the sort of canon Marvel/DC when the worlds actually fused, until it was reversed, it's sort of canon because Axel Asher has shown up in both Marvel and DCs main universes.
Amazing video btw!
Thanks a ton!
I called out the origins for the Lucifer stuff but decided to not go too heavy into his stuff otherwise I’d just say everything he did and it would have bogged down things for the video to the point of being over an hour
The Lucifer stuff is coming though… don’t worry
The jla crossover stuff is canon and it’s a world I. The orrery In the modern day. A fun story but didn’t think it was to important to dcs overall stuff but I do have a video out soon on that jla crossover
Thank You So much for this video, I stopped reading everything in DC in chronological order back in Death Metal (i think it was in 2020) because of work but now i am fully caught up with DC history once Again!!! Bless you Lumos Theromax you are doing The Presence' Work
Glad I can help out a fellow member of the corps!
I appreciate your work bro! Much respect!
43:20 this is how tha'aros managed to takeover the source lantern battery thanks I didn't understand how we got here
Watch my other content to find out how
W video as always 🗿
You already know
This video was put together very well. Tons of great information. Overall awesome video! Can't wait to see more content from you in the future!
Awesome, thank you!
Lumos theromax thank you for doing another dv video u have made me have hope in DC again thank u😊
I like the marvel vs dc event and I'm not sure if the creation of the amalgam universe did anything, but that's pretty cool too.
The Amalgam universe is a canon universe in the DC Multiverse that exists in the modern day
Lumos the greatest DC content creator there is and fukk a competition they are all frauds in comparison. Yeah Comic Curator im talking about you...
lol!
Great video.
Respect bro
You realy made a vidéo about décades of History in l'ESS than 50 minutes And it was good and accurate
That why your the goat
Thank you so much 😀
45:26 this is where DC abandoned the expanding Omniverse idea for the infinite multiverse idea
I disagree
@@LumosTheromax cool we can agree to disagree
So much lore why do people think dc is small, its hilarious (cough cough drip sauce), at least i try can read dc now.
Getting back in. Deleted my account after some scumbags stole my info & kept looping my results to get bank stuff.
Sorry to hear that man
@@LumosTheromax Appreciate it. I was a lick. Had to learn. Hopefully I’m good & they go for real money or just leave folks alone. 🤷♂️
Thanks for the goods.
40:30 the concept of the Omniverse was called untrue by lex Luther during the dark crisis on infinite earth event if memory serves
True but it’s moreso how it functioned not that it never was
@@LumosTheromax the expanding omniverse center was earth alpha / elseword and earth omega that idea was pretty much abandoned quickly
The background of the Vertigo comic story is located in the sphere of god, in a hell, heaven/silvercity.
I see
So DC caps out at Raptor, that's Large bird level, I'll be sure to update this on VS Battle Wiki...
One of my best TH-camr ❤
Bro love your videos 🤩 i want to request for something can you make a video on dc cosmology explanation please 🥺
I have a DC Cosmology video
Left out forever evil
It wasn't 15:29 the great darkness it was patia insanity ?
blessed us with content!
18:34 right the hawk extant not captain atom extant thanks to spoilers and editorial decisions
You should have done the origins of the new gods
I thought about it but I focused mainly on the earth 0 content or things that were more impactful directly to it
It’s not that the new gods aren’t important
All of the god sphere stuff intertwines with earth 0 it’s just not as foundational as the stuff mentioned here
And if I did that would be a 40 minute video unto itself
@@LumosTheromax oh that makes sense but please do video dedicated to the little parts that you didn’t go into
@@Lord_khaos3225 I’m considering it
@@LumosTheromax could you do a video on the hierarchy of beings in dc and the connections and all the avatars of the presence/overvoid
@@Lord_khaos3225 true but the content people pay for/Theromax corps members get first pick on the channel
It’s on the docket but unless something changes/it gets a sponsorship it’s sitting there
So The Brother Monitors came first Before The Arch Angels Hah! I always knew
Science > Divine Magic
I haven't watched the video yet but the brothers archangels and all angels predate creation. DC has multiple upon multiple multiverses successful ones and failed ones
Lumos theromax what do you think of drip sauce saying that u ducked him in a debate?
I don’t care?
I see how he interacts with people and talks about me in his discord
He also said this was all just for clout so he basically just wants to attack a larger creator to get his name out there more
I’m not promoting that
@@LumosTheromax holy shit w bro
@@LumosTheromax His Dc debunk video is trash and he uses real world logic to downplay Dc but not his favorite verse Dragonball XD.
I unsubscribed to his channel after that stuff he said about dc, That little boi biased af, thats what happens when you let a 20 year old learn power scalling off of tiktok
@@windandcloudshadow158 that guy literally think Goku solos everyone
Goon Nation
GOON NATION
46:49 also convergence doesn't fit with both crisis on infinite earths and dark crisis on infinite earths so I can't make sense of DC history but you can do thank you
Yes it does lmao why not
It references those events and even pulls people from them lol
@@LumosTheromax the ending of convergence is that the crisis on infinite earths never happened meaning the infinite multiverse was never destroyed dark crisis on infinite earths only can happen if original infinite multiverse was destroyed
Also before perpetua retcon we're the monitor and antimoniter just aspects of the overmoniter?
If you consider it a retcon which I don’t
They both are born from the overvoid either way
@@LumosTheromax I’m not familiar with the overvoid
21:07 why didn't pre crisis earth 2 goddess wonder woman show up in infinite crisis or did she ?
She did to tell wonder woman to stop being an idiot and help Superman she was given to Olympus
@@LumosTheromax so that was her I wasn't sure thank you
12:48 does the krona multiverse and the doomsday clock meta verse makes sense together?
Yes what evidence says they don’t?
The metal event even referenced krona and doomsday directly references that event
@@LumosTheromax in krona version one look created an infinite multiverse. In meta verse version the the flash of two worlds story created the split of pre crisis earth 1 and 2 than crisis created another earth in addition to the previous 2 1985 and there were more than just one earth in the post crisis era so they don't fit . In other words in krona multiverse is mistake in meta verse the earths are designed to preserve every version of kal el superman
5:06 this is ignoring crona creating the multiverse by looking at the hand/beginning of creation perpetua is a scot snider retcon during his justice league run to replace the doc manhatten doomsday clock retcon of Geoff johns 6:36 never mind i was wrong
And here he thought I was gonna leave that out
@@LumosTheromax leave what out krona from one universe infinite multiverse?
@@LumosTheromax also putting different creators in to one timeline exhausting I wouldn't be able to do such a thing so thank you
20:17 soul possession I don't think that's how it really works ?
It’s literally stated as parallax “grafting on to his soul”
@@LumosTheromax i mean in real life not in comics sorry for not being clear ; although there is a concept of soul grafting or eeboor in Hebrew in Jewish law for for the 13 tribes in jewdaism and perhaps in other areas
@@LumosTheromax a dibuk is more a malevolent soul taking over the body of someone else not soul grafting but im not an expert on the paranormal
I watched the whole thing 👍
EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Can you do a debunk vid on DripSauce's latest DC video?
It’s already been done
Those are Same arguments repeated multiple times and our lantern guy has addressed them thousands of times.
Your channel really isn’t appreciated enough. Great vid
I appreciate that!
The Presence The One Above All YHWH and The Supreme Creator are aspects of the same Supreme Being so The Pre-Crisis Multiverse still remains in existence in a series of separate Multiverse stacks and bubbles separated by various hyperdimensional bulks and quantum energy fields. Every so-called reboot is just another additional series of Multiverse stacks and Multiverse bubbles separated by various hyperdimensional bulks and quantum energy fields created by The Supreme Creator of THE OMNIVERSE
Stop putting such loud music in your video backgrounds
Sometimes TH-cam makes them louder then what I hear in my recording program
@@LumosTheromax fair enough
Wow this video takes a lot of knowledge on dc to make I trust no one more than you on dc you can say Superman is the weakest on the justice league and I’ll believe you😂
I wouldn't think of saying that but thanks for the comment!
@@LumosTheromax the least I can do on an amazing video
Yeah lumos is GOATED💯
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