My wife keeps saying, "You're weird!" because I watch these videos from start to finish. I tried explaining that you find valuable nuggets of information throughout the content. Is there something else that makes these videos so addictive?
Many years ago I had the pleasure of watching a professional UK wheel builder building a pair of wheels for the bike he built for me, when he got the wheels to certain point he put on the floor and stood on them to put them out of true, he then re trued them to perfection. That was back in the 70s, they're still perfectly true now. The hubs are Campagnolo large flange and still running smooth as silk.
Your modified screwdriver bit was on the right track! The brad Problem Solvers makes a tool that is basically a nicely manufactured version of that. The key difference is that the poking out part is adjustable (its actually a spoke) and you gotta have it set much longer than what you had. When you have the depth set correctly it really gives you a great start to a wheel build.
We build lots of wheels in our shop. Bossman thinks its stupid because we build even cheep wheels, but it's loads of fun and I think it's an important task for a bike mechanic to master at some point.
Tell the truth 😃, A dear friend said let me build your wheels and you will be straight. I bought a Terra with the same money it would have taken for custom made wheels. He was wanting to fix up a TRC that is flawless, ( maybe the wheels are not too of the line, but I'm just a average rider ) Are custom wheels worth three grand. I'm about bike poor but I want custom wheels. What would you do? Sorry about putting you on the spot but you comment seems to me you know what you are talking about. May God bless you.
I use the Problem Solvers Holy Driver to bring all the nipples to the same starting point. Variable depth setting flathead bit--you can use it in a drill but I usually spin it by hand. I usually have the tip sticking out about 3 mm to make sure there's no actual tension created yet. Also for a 3x wheel, you always want to count to the 4th hole from the logo in both directions to locate the spokes next to the valve hole in the rim.
That scraping noise from the truing stand caliper basically guarantees I'll always buy my wheels pre-built and pay my local bike shop to true them when they need it 😬
Andy - that was so cool. I’ve never seen a wheel being built and now have an even greater appreciation for bike mechanics. One thing I will say, is that with your background music, I felt like it would be most appropriate if I had a single malt scotch or a snifter of cognac in hand! Keep up the great work. Love your channel!
I find putting the heads out spokes in first makes it easier when putting heads in spokes last. Those crossing spokes go in much easier without having to weave through spokes on the opposite flange. Ali Clarkson has an excellent video on this. I'd follow Clarkson as I'd follow Brodie.
Yeah, I've been using Ali's "step on the spoke crossings" pre-stressing technique ever since I saw it. Fast and easier on the hands than other methods.
I’ve built a few wheels. I had the advantage of my first wheel set was built in a small class with a professional wheel builder (Jude Karstein at Sugar Wheelworks). One thing I do every time is use a nipple driver (NON-motorized!) to tighten each spoke until there’s approximately 1 thread still showing where the spoke enters the nipple. At that point then you go around with the spoke wrench and do a full turn on each spoke, then another…until you’re approaching tension and ready to start truing and balancing tension (I use a tesiometer. Being in a hurry is almost guaranteed to make the build take longer 😉
Have always harboured a desire to true and build wheels at a hobby level - for myself and to be able to help out friends from time to time with their bikes. This channel has a good mood to it - long may it live.
*Top Gear intro song* Tonight; A nipple gets stripped, Tools are dropped, BikeFarmer grinds his tip, Spokes find their happy homes and A logo is perfectly placed.
I've built a lot of wheels over the years but not real often so I too have to look at a wheel building book I have to freshen up my memory. Its easy to do but its a process that if you screw up early you have to back track to that screw up which can cost you time.
I made a tool like that but its for hand use, its a zig zag shaped piece of metal with that nipple end on one end and I use a wood handle off of a paint brush to stick the other end into so I can spin it around and around with a small circular motion but it does not let it strip things out since its by hand. So far its worked great and I've built at least 15 or so wheels with it. Another thing you can do is look inside the nipple hole and get all of the spokes to the same height visually that way to start with. Once I build a wheel and get it back into my head I can build both wheels in about an hour, that is having everything laid out and ready to go.
Watching you get a rough start with the WheelPrep warmed my cold, dead heart. The only thing that would've made it better would be losing a nipple in the rim. I feel seen.
Nice! Thanks for showing this. I have been wanting to build a wheel. This is very helpful. Sheldon Brown recommended your initial tightening tool idea.
i also learned it by book and also a few coworkers and the boss himself teached me. problem was, that everyone had a different strategy on how to do it and also my boss was a very choleric person wich does not help at all😅
I also have Velocity Cliffhangers on my Surly LHT, They were the only 26 inch tubeless rim brake wheel I found. They aren't light, but they sure are strong. I think they'll outlast me.
Nicely done! I've been building wheels as a hobby for 20 years, and have a 20 year old copy of The Bicycle Wheel by Jobst Brandt, 3rd edition. Wheelsmith's Spoke Prep is also part of all my builds, and I've also chosen Velocity rims for several builds in recent years. Currently planning two wheel sets around Shimano Ultegra 6500 hubs, with Velocity A23 front and A23 OC rear, with DT Swiss Competition spokes. Your mileage may vary: I do the inbound spokes first, and put a dab of axle grease on the nipples and/or spoke holes. I love your videos, keep up the great work you're doing!😁
I just came across this channel from Path Less Pedaled. Refreshing. I'm into bikes. But I'm not into INTO bikes, if you know what I mean. Just want advice from dudes who give it to me straight. Appreciate your work. Keep it up.
I love building my own wheels but when I built wheels for my wife I spent the tour we did together starring at her wheels worrying that I got the tension and dishing just right. 2000km later they still haven't needed truing.
Excellent, been wanting to build a wheel forever. Your video gave me enough info to try to build one myself. I have the same rear XTR hub. May as well purchase the same rim your using. I try to maintain my bikes myself and your videos are a great help. Many thanks
Look at Ali Clarkson's wheel building videos if you want what's probably the best instruction manual on wheel building that I've seen. He's an absolutely phenomenal trials rider too. There are engineering reasons for all the steps - especially stress relieving after building, but you don't need to understand the engineering to follow the instructions. Aligning the logo on the hub so it can be read through the valve hole is the gold standard for a textbook wheel build, but there's no structural benefit.
This was one of the best videos I've seen on wheel building. The tuning the spokes like a guitar (bass for me) made it click for me, was like putting on new strings. Nice score on the XTR hubs, too.
Nice wheel building process. I am not a wheel builder myself but something tells me the equal torque screwdriver strategy did not work because the initial spokes are going to be much more screwed in than the subsequent ones. You may arrive at the same tension, but the wheel will be oval. Could be wrong - just my common sense thinking.
Wow! My brother built wheels years ago. He made it sound like rocket science. Maybe if your video had been around then, it may have been easier for him.
There's a knack to this You'll get it as you do more Turn the bike upside down and build the wheel in situ, no need for anything fancy, but use a good spoke key like the parkside one
Good stuff. Roger Mussen's book is also great for beginner wheel builders. I build a few wheels a year too and also have to relearn the process each time. Upgrade old single-speed schwinn hubs to two-speed kicks back hubs.
I've never used a tension meter, not saying you shouldn't but I never have and its never been an issue. The wheel tells me when its good plus I will compare it to a similar wheel and pluck and listen to the tone but again once you have built a few wheels you just know when its ither loose or too tight. Wheels are super forgiving as you know from your customers trash they bring in.
I love building wheels. Like you, I do it very infrequently and I think that makes it something to look forward to. A couple things I do…which others may want to try. 1. I lace the rim and then spin all the nipples until they cover the threads. Then I go around the wheel and do like 4 turns per spoke, then two more, then 1 more until it barely gets tension. Then I add 1/2 turn until they all ping when I pluck them. Then before actually truing i get them all to the same pitch by adding 1/4 turn to the loose (plang sound) and if I need to remove 1/4 turn from the overnight spokes (ting sound). ***should have watched it all before commenting. You do the wheel banjo too Finally I true them…pretty unscientific but it works.
Love your stuff Andy, but yes, please get a better spoke wrench! Spokey Pro is my fav. Have tried more expensive ones like DT, or the Park '4 sided' ones but always come back to the good old Spokey Pro. The 'non-pro' spokey is OK but pro is more betterer😊
Yea heck with all that, I work on warped 1s already built and broke try make them closer 2 b4 problem. This whole other thing. Good job hope I never gotta go there.
...... I built my track wheels by hand .... mostly out of 2nd hand and trash find parts.... I wish you would do that.. build a trash find from trash parts.
Do wheel manufacturers still use reinforcing eyelets? I found a 1980s georgena terry road bike 6 years ago next to a dumpster. Removed tires and tube only to discover spoke eyelets ehich i thought was the coolest thing. Ended up parting out suntour cyclone 7000 groupsets on eBay and selling wheels and frameset locally. Another neat thing about bike was that front wheel was 24 inch with 27 inch rear.
Nice! You are very patient. I am not! That’s why I willingly pay a good wheel builder to do all the work plus she knows all the tricks DIY videos will never share.
Man would you please do a video on a consumer wanting one bike mechanic only without offinding the old man and the kid in the shop. Ginnie pig workers messing my bike up. Funny vid I'm talking, I need one. Seriously though, man I want to try building a wheel but I ain't the sharpest pencil in the box. Thanks for your time doing these videos, get in N.C. and we'll ride together.
I'm personally not too worried about the strength of aluminum nipples, BUT I use brass on all my wheels because I have seen too many aluminum nipples horribly corroded after a few rainy rides. Not worth having to pay so much attention to something that should be low-maintenance on a good handbuilt wheel just to save a few grams
The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works. The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth. He will fulfill the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them. The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy. (Psalms 145:17-20) And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Acts 17:30) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luke 13:5)
@@daniellarson3068 Perhaps that's the case, if for any reason the rim is struck by a rock or hard edge and bends up, ripping the brass nipple from the threads of the spoke. The wheel assembly is supposed to act as a unit, sending energy from the tire to the to hub, through the wheel and spokes. There's enough give in the system to hopefully prevent a nipple from ripping through the wheel (for example). I've seen stainless steel nipples used on other wheel builds, where durability and corrosion concerns are the most prominent.
@@exothermal.sprocket I'm no wheel builder so I don't know about this stuff, but I just looked on Amazon and saw the brass nipples cost more than the normal carbon steel ones. I found stainless spokes, but not the nipples. I found another outlet called Buchanan's that sold motorcycle stainless spoke nipples for $1.62 for each nipple. Something basic escaped me. I used to work at a power plant. Folks had problems with stainless steel threads galling. So, I guess stainless to stainless threads may be bad for bikes too.
My wife keeps saying, "You're weird!" because I watch these videos from start to finish. I tried explaining that you find valuable nuggets of information throughout the content. Is there something else that makes these videos so addictive?
They have a bit of a bob Ross thing about em. And the smooth background music
Many years ago I had the pleasure of watching a professional UK wheel builder building a pair of wheels for the bike he built for me, when he got the wheels to certain point he put on the floor and stood on them to put them out of true, he then re trued them to perfection. That was back in the 70s, they're still perfectly true now. The hubs are Campagnolo large flange and still running smooth as silk.
I’m a professional wheel builder and 30ish year bike mechanic. Really looking forward to this. Thanks bikefarmer
Your modified screwdriver bit was on the right track! The brad Problem Solvers makes a tool that is basically a nicely manufactured version of that. The key difference is that the poking out part is adjustable (its actually a spoke) and you gotta have it set much longer than what you had. When you have the depth set correctly it really gives you a great start to a wheel build.
I see a buch of happy little spokes right there, you really are the Bob Ross of the bike mechanic world.
And . . . Andy DID "Beat the Brush" er, spokes :)
We build lots of wheels in our shop. Bossman thinks its stupid because we build even cheep wheels, but it's loads of fun and I think it's an important task for a bike mechanic to master at some point.
Tell the truth 😃, A dear friend said let me build your wheels and you will be straight. I bought a Terra with the same money it would have taken for custom made wheels. He was wanting to fix up a TRC that is flawless, ( maybe the wheels are not too of the line, but I'm just a average rider ) Are custom wheels worth three grand. I'm about bike poor but I want custom wheels. What would you do? Sorry about putting you on the spot but you comment seems to me you know what you are talking about. May God bless you.
I use the Problem Solvers Holy Driver to bring all the nipples to the same starting point. Variable depth setting flathead bit--you can use it in a drill but I usually spin it by hand. I usually have the tip sticking out about 3 mm to make sure there's no actual tension created yet. Also for a 3x wheel, you always want to count to the 4th hole from the logo in both directions to locate the spokes next to the valve hole in the rim.
"I think I know what I'm doing" is a t-shirt opportunity..!
That scraping noise from the truing stand caliper basically guarantees I'll always buy my wheels pre-built and pay my local bike shop to true them when they need it 😬
Andy - that was so cool. I’ve never seen a wheel being built and now have an even greater appreciation for bike mechanics. One thing I will say, is that with your background music, I felt like it would be most appropriate if I had a single malt scotch or a snifter of cognac in hand! Keep up the great work. Love your channel!
Campandglslow shirt is unreal 👌
It was all I could look at when it was in frame. Excellent Capi riff.
"Losing My Efficacy " is one of my favorite REM songs!
I find putting the heads out spokes in first makes it easier when putting heads in spokes last. Those crossing spokes go in much easier without having to weave through spokes on the opposite flange. Ali Clarkson has an excellent video on this. I'd follow Clarkson as I'd follow Brodie.
Yeah, I've been using Ali's "step on the spoke crossings" pre-stressing technique ever since I saw it. Fast and easier on the hands than other methods.
I’ve built a few wheels. I had the advantage of my first wheel set was built in a small class with a professional wheel builder (Jude Karstein at Sugar Wheelworks). One thing I do every time is use a nipple driver (NON-motorized!) to tighten each spoke until there’s approximately 1 thread still showing where the spoke enters the nipple. At that point then you go around with the spoke wrench and do a full turn on each spoke, then another…until you’re approaching tension and ready to start truing and balancing tension (I use a tesiometer.
Being in a hurry is almost guaranteed to make the build take longer 😉
Brilliant little tool you made to tighten spokes!
This would drive me crazy, chasing round and true. Kudos to you
Andy, you're getting paid for this. Maybe not a lot, but it's enough that you ARE a professional wheel builder! :)
When I was wrenching back in the day
I build a ROLF set of wheels
We sold them for 2000$
The only set I’ve ever built
But
It was perfect!! Ha
Loved this video, I'm not quite ready to build my own wheel yet, but this was a really good explanation of what us required. Thanks!!
Just go for it. What has been done can be undone (and gets called practice).
Have always harboured a desire to true and build wheels at a hobby level - for myself and to be able to help out friends from time to time with their bikes. This channel has a good mood to it - long may it live.
*Top Gear intro song*
Tonight; A nipple gets stripped, Tools are dropped, BikeFarmer grinds his tip, Spokes find their happy homes and A logo is perfectly placed.
I have a couple old wheels in a corner. Now I feel like disassembling them and building them back just for the experience!
Hi it's Stewart from England I'm a pro cycle tech I build wheels to you are doing good dude
I've built a lot of wheels over the years but not real often so I too have to look at a wheel building book I have to freshen up my memory. Its easy to do but its a process that if you screw up early you have to back track to that screw up which can cost you time.
Wheel building is pretty much black magic
I made a tool like that but its for hand use, its a zig zag shaped piece of metal with that nipple end on one end and I use a wood handle off of a paint brush to stick the other end into so I can spin it around and around with a small circular motion but it does not let it strip things out since its by hand. So far its worked great and I've built at least 15 or so wheels with it. Another thing you can do is look inside the nipple hole and get all of the spokes to the same height visually that way to start with. Once I build a wheel and get it back into my head I can build both wheels in about an hour, that is having everything laid out and ready to go.
I've relaced a wheel onto a new rim just by copying the patterns of how older wheel was laced.
I've heard of people doing that before. I have been a full time bicycle mechanic for around a decade and doing it that way sound so difficult to me!
Watching you get a rough start with the WheelPrep warmed my cold, dead heart. The only thing that would've made it better would be losing a nipple in the rim. I feel seen.
You need to develop and sell that drill bit 🙂
Thanks!
Danke!
Nice! Thanks for showing this. I have been wanting to build a wheel. This is very helpful. Sheldon Brown recommended your initial tightening tool idea.
Just ordered some shimano 105 hubs and 36 spoke alexrim adventurer 2 rims, gonna make some beefy touring wheels
Update- wow these are heavy
i also learned it by book and also a few coworkers and the boss himself teached me. problem was, that everyone had a different strategy on how to do it and also my boss was a very choleric person wich does not help at all😅
I also have Velocity Cliffhangers on my Surly LHT, They were the only 26 inch tubeless rim brake wheel I found. They aren't light, but they sure are strong. I think they'll outlast me.
Nicely done! I've been building wheels as a hobby for 20 years, and have a 20 year old copy of The Bicycle Wheel by Jobst Brandt, 3rd edition.
Wheelsmith's Spoke Prep is also part of all my builds, and I've also chosen Velocity rims for several builds in recent years. Currently planning two wheel sets around Shimano Ultegra 6500 hubs, with Velocity A23 front and A23 OC rear, with DT Swiss Competition spokes.
Your mileage may vary: I do the inbound spokes first, and put a dab of axle grease on the nipples and/or spoke holes.
I love your videos, keep up the great work you're doing!😁
good stuff
Freudian slip joke made my day!
I just came across this channel from Path Less Pedaled. Refreshing. I'm into bikes. But I'm not into INTO bikes, if you know what I mean. Just want advice from dudes who give it to me straight. Appreciate your work. Keep it up.
Something very cathartic to wheel building.
I love building my own wheels but when I built wheels for my wife I spent the tour we did together starring at her wheels worrying that I got the tension and dishing just right. 2000km later they still haven't needed truing.
Wheel building is a black art requiring incantations,spells and rituals plus sage burning.
Thoroughly enjoyed this. 😊
Excellent, been wanting to build a wheel forever. Your video gave me enough info to try to build one myself. I have the same rear XTR hub. May as well purchase the same rim your using. I try to maintain my bikes myself and your videos are a great help. Many thanks
Look at Ali Clarkson's wheel building videos if you want what's probably the best instruction manual on wheel building that I've seen. He's an absolutely phenomenal trials rider too. There are engineering reasons for all the steps - especially stress relieving after building, but you don't need to understand the engineering to follow the instructions.
Aligning the logo on the hub so it can be read through the valve hole is the gold standard for a textbook wheel build, but there's no structural benefit.
This was one of the best videos I've seen on wheel building. The tuning the spokes like a guitar (bass for me) made it click for me, was like putting on new strings. Nice score on the XTR hubs, too.
Nice wheel building process. I am not a wheel builder myself but something tells me the equal torque screwdriver strategy did not work because the initial spokes are going to be much more screwed in than the subsequent ones. You may arrive at the same tension, but the wheel will be oval. Could be wrong - just my common sense thinking.
That’s exactly correct. I need to make the little nub on the tool longer.
Wow! My brother built wheels years ago. He made it sound like rocket science. Maybe if your video had been around then, it may have been easier for him.
There's a knack to this
You'll get it as you do more
Turn the bike upside down and build the wheel in situ, no need for anything fancy, but use a good spoke key like the parkside one
Good stuff. Roger Mussen's book is also great for beginner wheel builders. I build a few wheels a year too and also have to relearn the process each time. Upgrade old single-speed schwinn hubs to two-speed kicks back hubs.
This is considerably more complicated than the only task I've ever done that is even remotely similar... putting together my kids' trampoline.
I've never used a tension meter, not saying you shouldn't but I never have and its never been an issue. The wheel tells me when its good plus I will compare it to a similar wheel and pluck and listen to the tone but again once you have built a few wheels you just know when its ither loose or too tight. Wheels are super forgiving as you know from your customers trash they bring in.
Something I am very interested in.. can't wait to learn how👌
I love building wheels. Like you, I do it very infrequently and I think that makes it something to look forward to. A couple things I do…which others may want to try.
1. I lace the rim and then spin all the nipples until they cover the threads. Then I go around the wheel and do like 4 turns per spoke, then two more, then 1 more until it barely gets tension. Then I add 1/2 turn until they all ping when I pluck them.
Then before actually truing i get them all to the same pitch by adding 1/4 turn to the loose (plang sound) and if I need to remove 1/4 turn from the overnight spokes (ting sound).
***should have watched it all before commenting. You do the wheel banjo too
Finally I true them…pretty unscientific but it works.
If you want decent spokewrench buy the red DT, you won't regret it.
Love your stuff Andy, but yes, please get a better spoke wrench!
Spokey Pro is my fav. Have tried more expensive ones like DT, or the Park '4 sided' ones but always come back to the good old Spokey Pro.
The 'non-pro' spokey is OK but pro is more betterer😊
Yea heck with all that, I work on warped 1s already built and broke try make them closer 2 b4 problem. This whole other thing. Good job hope I never gotta go there.
Excellent! Thanks, Andy!
F... I feel old, if shimano XTR are already considered "vintage " 😢.
I wonder what the weight difference with alloy spokes is
Thanks
Thanks hey!
Good one. Thanks for all the effort
I love your channel! Thank you
Thanks for doing this video!❤ I have these hubs they are the best hubs I’ve ever owned and by fay my favorite. Keep up the good works.
Velocity rims are rarely round from the factory. this makes building wheels with equilateral tension very difficult.
HOw long did it take to lace and true one wheel ?
The shirt xD
...... I built my track wheels by hand .... mostly out of 2nd hand and trash find parts.... I wish you would do that.. build a trash find from trash parts.
You should. Film it. Send me the footage.
Do wheel manufacturers still use reinforcing eyelets? I found a 1980s georgena terry road bike 6 years ago next to a dumpster. Removed tires and tube only to discover spoke eyelets ehich i thought was the coolest thing. Ended up parting out suntour cyclone 7000 groupsets on eBay and selling wheels and frameset locally. Another neat thing about bike was that front wheel was 24 inch with 27 inch rear.
There are a few models still being made. Velocity Atlas is one
You need to make vinyl sticker saying OPE! I'm thinking a black and white headshot with the OPE! in color. HAHAHA
27:06 😂 👍🏻
X to the T to the R
Nice! You are very patient. I am not! That’s why I willingly pay a good wheel builder to do all the work plus she knows all the tricks DIY videos will never share.
Man would you please do a video on a consumer wanting one bike mechanic only without offinding the old man and the kid in the shop. Ginnie pig workers messing my bike up. Funny vid I'm talking, I need one. Seriously though, man I want to try building a wheel but I ain't the sharpest pencil in the box. Thanks for your time doing these videos, get in N.C. and we'll ride together.
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I'm personally not too worried about the strength of aluminum nipples, BUT I use brass on all my wheels because I have seen too many aluminum nipples horribly corroded after a few rainy rides. Not worth having to pay so much attention to something that should be low-maintenance on a good handbuilt wheel just to save a few grams
Feelerdebedabedooboo!
"I want to build my own wheels."
{Watches TH-cam tutorial on wheel building}
"Meh. I didn't want those hubs or rims anyway."
Did I miss the prep for the threads?
Tension? Oops!
The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works. The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth. He will fulfill the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them. The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy. (Psalms 145:17-20)
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Acts 17:30)
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luke 13:5)
and I thought this was an easy...
I suppose stainless steel nipples would be tougher and stronger, but weigh more.
Would brass have an advantage in stripping and leaving the spoke OK?
@@daniellarson3068 Perhaps that's the case, if for any reason the rim is struck by a rock or hard edge and bends up, ripping the brass nipple from the threads of the spoke. The wheel assembly is supposed to act as a unit, sending energy from the tire to the to hub, through the wheel and spokes. There's enough give in the system to hopefully prevent a nipple from ripping through the wheel (for example). I've seen stainless steel nipples used on other wheel builds, where durability and corrosion concerns are the most prominent.
@@exothermal.sprocket I'm no wheel builder so I don't know about this stuff, but I just looked on Amazon and saw the brass nipples cost more than the normal carbon steel ones. I found stainless spokes, but not the nipples. I found another outlet called Buchanan's that sold motorcycle stainless spoke nipples for $1.62 for each nipple. Something basic escaped me. I used to work at a power plant. Folks had problems with stainless steel threads galling. So, I guess stainless to stainless threads may be bad for bikes too.
A microgram heavier?
My other reply disappeared. Stainless steel threads gall. That may be a reason they are not used. You Tube doesn't like me.
Why don't you use 27.5 or b650 26 R so 90s
Yep, you don't really know what your doing...lol...
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