Finally someone does it right. Very exciting shootout with UNBIASED review. Most importantly, not afraid to hurt people’s feelings. Very different from the guys from ( you know where ) with their attitude of “ I’m tired of shootouts” and their flat out nonsense reviews that are all based on their connections with certain brands and people/friends from the industry.
They ride and race these bikes for months on end at multiple tracks. The other "testers" ride 2 days at one track if we're lucky. I don't listen to anyone by MXA. Never steered me wrong in 30 years.
Not quite. They ride and race these bikes for months on end at multiple tracks. The other "testers" ride 2 days at one track if we're lucky. I don't listen to anyone by MXA. Never steered me wrong in 30 years.
Yeah, nope. Of course it depends on your skill level. If MXA says one bike is better that the other... we all should listen. But yeah, in the end, get what color and bike YOU want. Money can fix anything:-)
@@kirkwilliams4942 You can throw all the money at a bike you want to. There are certain chassis characteristics that cannot be ironed out. You just move the problem to another location. Besides why throw money at anything other than a KTM or it's sibling? Best MOTOR Best Clutch Best Electronics Suite Best All around handling --- what more do you need ?
@@jnljnl8485 probably by design. id rather move a tank that can possibly weigh more than a starter and/or battery that doesn't change it's weight... see what i did here? and if they didn't weigh by wet/dry, then they're even further behind. it's okay, maybe one day the yellow brand will win something. maybe 850cc motogp? probably not cause yamaha will have that too...
Love the retro styling on the new Honda. Great reviews across the board. No bullshit or pandering, just honest, to-the-point reviews and ranking of each bike. This is how shootouts are supposed to be done.
@2216sammy Thorough...and irrelevant because it said nothing real. This shootout gives more honest and relevant information than DBM's even comes close to giving.
You guys are making Monty Python commercials 😂😂♥️.......Meanwhile, Dirt Bike Magazine is using A.I. voice for their videos....thank you Motocross Action
I've always preferred MXA....even in the olden days of the 80's when you had to go get the paper mag at the local Quickie Mart. Yes, I have a garage full of KTM's but still respected MXA when the Austrians didn't do so well.
If you never own a Suzuki , best say anything...!!! For majority of users, its the best choice .!!! Its like Toyota Bike ...!!!! Only fews became champions, but on this bike you get fun and reliable bike...!!! that is the point of majority...!!! kick start??? its for mens....!!!!
Sure buddy, because Hondas are known to be horrible pieces of shit that break all the time. Yamahas ride like shit and the Austrian bikes are still as unreliable as 20 years ago. None of the bikes mentioned in the video are right for most people. Different people need different things out of their bike.
@@boibus all they did in 2019 was a revalve and it doesent even matter since 70% of riders get their suspension done, and btw the major update for the 450 was 2018 and the 250f was 2019 search it up
Unless you get THOUSANDS off sticker, the RMZ is no real bargain. If I can spend a few hundred dollars more and have the latest tech, suspension, handling, power, less weight, AND e-start, you best believe I’m going that route.
I’ve had issues with my 2022 YZ450F, water pump failed which caused engine to over heat and have top end rebuilt. Fried my stator and fly wheel. Also burnt out starter clutch and had to adjust valves sooner than normal. That being said it’s a rocket and a beast in the sand dunes and trails.
Yeah, that $1600 difference in MSRP goes a looong way in terms of upgrades, wear parts, gas, etc. Honda dealers' freight charges tend to be significantly less than other brand as well.
umm.. this was by far the best shootout video this year. Way to keep your ads entertaining and im sure your sponsors appreciate that too. I like swap moto as a person but his shootout video wasss horible lol.. maybe he can bring back some TWMX poster girls to the vids.
MXA ride and race these bikes for months on end at multiple tracks. The other "testers" ride 2 days at one track if we're lucky. I don't listen to anyone by MXA. Never steered me wrong in 30 years.
MXA ride and race these bikes for months on end at multiple tracks. The other "testers" ride 2 days at one track if we're lucky. I don't listen to anyone by MXA. Never steered me wrong in 30 years.
I think a perfect mix is 4:3 aspect ratio throughout and good colors, but as Kai as a base with a little bit of the Z filler that was cut to add some memorable and fun moments back
I don’t understand what gas gas is doing with their prices. Why would anyone buy one when they can get an infinitely better bike like a yamaha for cheaper
we had one that exploded on the first start up, yamaha is doing down hill since 2009, but ei they keep selling the trashes w the cp 2 and cp3 engines and has long the ducks keep buying trash they will influence the others on different segments
Glad to see you riding again, Josh (at least it seems you are). I always look forward to your reviews. Thanks. PS: I would choose the Honda for most weekend warriors who don't want to spend a lot of money in the long run and avoid some headaches.
In a way I love how every year you give the RMZ such a poor review, keeps it a secret on how excellent this bike really is. Every time I let someone ride my RMZ they are impressed and talk about it for days. These bikes handle so much better than most, and they are so reliable. And it’s a better bike for the heavier rider, 180 lbs+. Which is pretty average weight for most men.
Awesome ! shootout ~ couldnt agree with you guys more ! the new KTMs are killing it ! but like you mention, they are all good! pick your favorite color .lol
Husqvarna ftw, I own the 2022 model. Best bike to date !! Austrian brand changed everything for 23, now they're trying to achieve that previos year pinnacle with changes due to supply changes. 219lbs 64hp of absolute dominance. Roll back, just make the 22 Husqvarna again, podiums for all. Well, except the poors.
Last ktm I rode was a 125 from the early 2000s, it was very different from my Honda or Yamaha I had but very smooth and user friendly. I wonder i how my last year of racing would have been if I I was in something different than a 250f Honda???
Testing/racing continues until next year! We’re fortunate to be able to keep the bikes year round and we’ll return the 2025s once the 2026 models are ready
MXA ride and race these bikes for months on end at multiple tracks. The other "testers" ride 2 days at one track if we're lucky. I don't listen to anyone by MXA. Never steered me wrong in 30 years.
What I've not seen discussed around the weight-savings techniques on the KTM/Husqvarna/GasGas bikes is: Will the thinner walled frame and engine mount cutouts make the bike more likely to suffer frame damage off of big jumps?
Kawi must have pissed mxa off,, they always tall shit about it,, but all of the other magazines test like it ,, they always put it in the top 3,, dirt rider, dirt bike, swap moto, and a couple more I can’t think of,, and I’m not a kawi fan but it’s a good bike
Frame break in is BS. There's no reason to include that as a category. Absolutely nobody but a AMA Pro would even be able to sense frame break in, or have it effect them. Dropping that category puts the Honda in fourth place, followed by KTM #5, Husqvarna #6 and Gas Gas #7. Making your top 3 Suzuki, Kawasaki, and #1 Yamaha!
I'm a Yamaha guy all the way but if u want the best 125 for racing get a KTM. If you're not an A rider the Yamaha is just fine and will be cheaper to work on in the future, down in power but the suspension is great.
Have we really gotten to a point where a 56-58 HP bike can be called slow lol. I hope you meant relative to the other bikes there. Even then it still wouldn’t be “slow” just not as fast.
Id probably ride a 2001 250 the same speed as these new 450s, thats how little of the bikes potential i can use haha. I just like looking at them and nodding along, "ah yes, breaking in the frame i know about that for sure" 🤣
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Finally someone does it right. Very exciting shootout with UNBIASED review. Most importantly, not afraid to hurt people’s feelings. Very different from the guys from ( you know where ) with their attitude of “ I’m tired of shootouts” and their flat out nonsense reviews that are all based on their connections with certain brands and people/friends from the industry.
"You picked my favorite bike! Finally an unbiased review"
@@swaldrop242lol 💯
@@swaldrop242 I didn’t see a Triumph 250 in a 450 shootout, did you?
@2216sammy I don’t own any 450’s at the moment but my favorite one is the 350 Japanese KX450.
They ride and race these bikes for months on end at multiple tracks. The other "testers" ride 2 days at one track if we're lucky. I don't listen to anyone by MXA. Never steered me wrong in 30 years.
3 shootouts from 3 different channels with different results. So, theyre all equally good bikes,just pick a color.
Not quite. They ride and race these bikes for months on end at multiple tracks. The other "testers" ride 2 days at one track if we're lucky. I don't listen to anyone by MXA. Never steered me wrong in 30 years.
Prices matter
Lowest price doesn't always mean better bargain.
Yeah, nope. Of course it depends on your skill level. If MXA says one bike is better that the other... we all should listen. But yeah, in the end, get what color and bike YOU want. Money can fix anything:-)
@@kirkwilliams4942 You can throw all the money at a bike you want to. There are certain chassis characteristics that cannot be ironed out. You just move the problem to another location. Besides why throw money at anything other than a KTM or it's sibling? Best MOTOR Best Clutch Best Electronics Suite Best All around handling --- what more do you need
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Yamaha 59.5hp 36.2ft 234lb
Gasgas 57.9hp 35.9ft 228lb
Suzuki 54.4hp 35.9ft 241lb
Husqva 61.1hp 36.0ft 228lb
Honda 55.6hp 36.5ft 236lb
Kawasa 58.0hp 35.4ft 239lb
Ktm 58.0hp 35.5ft 228lb
Ktm must be 2
Suzuki managed to make their bike the heaviest without bothering to include a starter motor and a battery! 😂😂😂
@@dogfish180Probably the only one giving a wet weight
@@jnljnl8485 probably by design. id rather move a tank that can possibly weigh more than a starter and/or battery that doesn't change it's weight... see what i did here? and if they didn't weigh by wet/dry, then they're even further behind. it's okay, maybe one day the yellow brand will win something. maybe 850cc motogp? probably not cause yamaha will have that too...
@dogfish180 quality look up kawasaki and honda moving to China
Love the retro styling on the new Honda. Great reviews across the board. No bullshit or pandering, just honest, to-the-point reviews and ranking of each bike. This is how shootouts are supposed to be done.
@2216sammy Thorough...and irrelevant because it said nothing real. This shootout gives more honest and relevant information than DBM's even comes close to giving.
You guys are making Monty Python commercials 😂😂♥️.......Meanwhile, Dirt Bike Magazine is using A.I. voice for their videos....thank you Motocross Action
🎯lol. That Holy Grail scene was great.
@@McMyerz223 I laughed my @ss off. The water was a nice touch, was not expecting that 😂😂
I've always preferred MXA....even in the olden days of the 80's when you had to go get the paper mag at the local Quickie Mart. Yes, I have a garage full of KTM's but still respected MXA when the Austrians didn't do so well.
Honda with a well deserved 2nd place this year. They finally got that bike right. Love the ergos and power delivery.
It's number 1 jett and hunter dominate on them
Suzuki should be number 1
I love my honda and my suzuki
Great to see Honda vastly improve from sixth the last few years!
If you never own a Suzuki , best say anything...!!! For majority of users, its the best choice .!!! Its like Toyota Bike ...!!!! Only fews became champions, but on this bike you get fun and reliable bike...!!! that is the point of majority...!!! kick start??? its for mens....!!!!
Sure buddy, because Hondas are known to be horrible pieces of shit that break all the time. Yamahas ride like shit and the Austrian bikes are still as unreliable as 20 years ago. None of the bikes mentioned in the video are right for most people. Different people need different things out of their bike.
Haha i love my 2018 rmz450 has never let me down and it’s technically a 2025
@@manny.9273nope a 2018 is not a 2025 it was drastically updated in 2019
@@boibus all they did in 2019 was a revalve and it doesent even matter since 70% of riders get their suspension done, and btw the major update for the 450 was 2018 and the 250f was 2019 search it up
Unless you get THOUSANDS off sticker, the RMZ is no real bargain. If I can spend a few hundred dollars more and have the latest tech, suspension, handling, power, less weight, AND e-start, you best believe I’m going that route.
The MXA videos have come a long way. So much more fun now. Great content. Keep it coming, boys.
Definitely the sickest shootout ever
1:24 Yamaha YZ450F
2:08 GasGas MC450F
3:26 Suzuki RMZ450
4:38 Husqvarna FC450
5:35 Honda CRF450R
6:36 Kawasaki KX450
7:36 KTM 450SXF
So no new bikes this year from Cagiva,Bultaco,montessa,Ossa??😊
What are the reliable issues with the Yamaha? They were always bulletproof.
I’ve had issues with my 2022 YZ450F, water pump failed which caused engine to over heat and have top end rebuilt. Fried my stator and fly wheel. Also burnt out starter clutch and had to adjust valves sooner than normal. That being said it’s a rocket and a beast in the sand dunes and trails.
With such a price difference between 1st and second place , as a potential customer i will buy the Honda hands down .
Yeah, that $1600 difference in MSRP goes a looong way in terms of upgrades, wear parts, gas, etc. Honda dealers' freight charges tend to be significantly less than other brand as well.
Honda is best no brainer
umm.. this was by far the best shootout video this year. Way to keep your ads entertaining and im sure your sponsors appreciate that too. I like swap moto as a person but his shootout video wasss horible lol.. maybe he can bring back some TWMX poster girls to the vids.
MXA ride and race these bikes for months on end at multiple tracks. The other "testers" ride 2 days at one track if we're lucky. I don't listen to anyone by MXA. Never steered me wrong in 30 years.
My dealer wants 10,200$ after taxes and fees for the RMZ450 that comes in next month 😂 I pooped my pants
Look up where it's made Mt crf says made in China I pooped my pants after seeing that
The Monty Python tribute was AWESOME!
MXA shootouts are on a other level 🔥💯
The prices on these bikes are really starting to get out of control. This used to be a working man's sports.
It’s called inflation dude don’t blame the manufacturers blame the economy
That's how I feel. It'd turning into road racing
I’d have to sell my wife’s diamond ring for a new 450R. Not going to happen. Enjoy my ride better.
@lmtada you can still get used bikes somewhat cheap but everything is just expensive these days.
No pal not that long ago you could buy a 450 for 6500 bucks @@oldan3933
Of all the motocross bike tests. This is the only one I believe is real.
MXA ride and race these bikes for months on end at multiple tracks. The other "testers" ride 2 days at one track if we're lucky. I don't listen to anyone by MXA. Never steered me wrong in 30 years.
@2216sammy maybe DB but DEFINITLEY NOT the others two days
I think a perfect mix is 4:3 aspect ratio throughout and good colors, but as Kai as a base with a little bit of the Z filler that was cut to add some memorable and fun moments back
When I was racing there was the big 4 and that was it. Never thought I'd see a time where there would be 10 choices.
I don’t understand what gas gas is doing with their prices. Why would anyone buy one when they can get an infinitely better bike like a yamaha for cheaper
Exactly what I’m saying. At this point it’s completely pointless having a gas gas lineup.
Was thinking the same thing
GasGas makes NO sense to buy now. That brand is going to sink quickly, and this is coming from a GG owner.
@@OtisFlint I thought so too. It's no secret that KTM lost billions this last year. GasGas and likely Husky are doomed.
How you go from Brembo to Braketec and up the price is asinine to me. And a map switch can’t cost the manufacturer $50.
The Monty Python bit was great.
I'd take any of them 😂
Same
Yamaha or Honda for me
@@NathanRoberts-d4osame
Real talk literally ANY never could afford a current year bike!!😢😂
Yamaha for me..nothing can beat the Yamaha for me!!love that bike❤
Curious to know what the durability concerns are with the Yamaha ? Got 21hrs on my 24 yz450 no issues to report so far all track hrs.
we had one that exploded on the first start up, yamaha is doing down hill since 2009, but ei they keep selling the trashes w the cp 2 and cp3 engines and has long the ducks keep buying trash they will influence the others on different segments
Ummm a what ?
Glad to see you riding again, Josh (at least it seems you are). I always look forward to your reviews. Thanks.
PS: I would choose the Honda for most weekend warriors who don't want to spend a lot of money in the long run and avoid some headaches.
In a way I love how every year you give the RMZ such a poor review, keeps it a secret on how excellent this bike really is. Every time I let someone ride my RMZ they are impressed and talk about it for days. These bikes handle so much better than most, and they are so reliable. And it’s a better bike for the heavier rider, 180 lbs+. Which is pretty average weight for most men.
So true
All the Austrian bikes dropped 7lbs.... everyone who bought a 23-24 model should get a manufacturers discount for a 2025 Bike.
and everyone who bought a 24 Honda should get a free 25.
Awesome ! shootout ~ couldnt agree with you guys more ! the new KTMs are killing it ! but like you mention, they are all good! pick your favorite color .lol
I absolutely love the rad shrouds on the crf and the husky
EVO Industries can make the Suzuki's suspension work and it handles like a dream when it's valved correctly.
Love the Honda..... hope it translates to an updated Off Road version, we need it bad.
Two strokes as well
When does the 2025 250 shootout release?
Is the dyno results hp from the crank or the rear wheel?
Love the Monty Python reference. 😂😂😂
Whew!!! Was getting concerned that MXA lost it's way, something besides KTM won but it is good to see they are back
The jab at Kawi was pretty funny.
What are the reliability concerns with the yamaha? Was actually leaning towards yamaha again.
KTM on the Top step. Feels good. Lol. The grachics on that 2025 KTM are insanely good looking too.
Husqvarna ftw, I own the 2022 model. Best bike to date !! Austrian brand changed everything for 23, now they're trying to achieve that previos year pinnacle with changes due to supply changes. 219lbs 64hp of absolute dominance. Roll back, just make the 22 Husqvarna again, podiums for all. Well, except the poors.
Last ktm I rode was a 125 from the early 2000s, it was very different from my Honda or Yamaha I had but very smooth and user friendly. I wonder i how my last year of racing would have been if I I was in something different than a 250f Honda???
Ktms graphics this year remind me of theor old one. So sick!!!
The Monty Python bit is to funny🤣
Hey MXA, looking to build a KTM supermoto. Do I grab the SMR 450 or the SXF 450?
Will you do a stark varg one day in your tests I think it would be interesting I have one and they are beasts like having a race team in a bike
KTM should update their clutch cover to no finish like they use to.
Was that a Monty python reference?
I think it was and I'm here for it!
Very nice Monty Python parallel!!
Can someone tell me what he’s talking about with the YZ reliability issues? I thought YZs were basically the most rock solids bikes out there
Tell me you are sponsored by KTM with out telling me you are sponsor by KTM
Tart
MXA, what is the most stable chassis in the shootout?
what do they do with the bikes when they are done testing them?
Testing/racing continues until next year! We’re fortunate to be able to keep the bikes year round and we’ll return the 2025s once the 2026 models are ready
Next year will have Ducati too❤
@2216sammy probably, it's theyr First year
Isn't Triumph supposed to have a 450 next year as well?
@@kentr2424 yep
John Doe Kawi rips!
Like most comparisons……check out which dealer supports you and your bike the best
Lol... I was wondering when KTM would make it back to the top on this outlet. Didn't take much.
It took a KTM sponsor to help him during outdoors to get on top of
Far by the best shootout
MXA ride and race these bikes for months on end at multiple tracks. The other "testers" ride 2 days at one track if we're lucky. I don't listen to anyone by MXA. Never steered me wrong in 30 years.
Why wont you get TM RACING into your testing?🤔
No way I'm wasting money on a ktm
What is Yamaha is fourst
5 manufacturers one just comes in multiple colors
The Monty Python reference was ace! 🤣🤣
“Not even Ken Roczen can fix this bike”
I nearly spit my drink out 😂😂
I may be a bit biased cus I’m a Honda guy but Jesus that thing looks orgasmic
Loveing ,conner 😅
Well yeah!!
Ktm is simply bad ass!!!
The best of the best!!
Great video!!!
😂
Honda made 2nd place baby ❤️❤️❤️❤️
What I've not seen discussed around the weight-savings techniques on the KTM/Husqvarna/GasGas bikes is: Will the thinner walled frame and engine mount cutouts make the bike more likely to suffer frame damage off of big jumps?
Yep wait when you see how the subframe takes a hit compared to the others..
That wasn't for weight, it was to reduce rigidity
do it to the mini's too ,not just big bike !!!
air forks are a no-go
You gotta be fast to love em
If you rode sand you'd love them
@@tcmx712 perfect answer... the newer air fork is the best of all time. I still opt for a KYB conversion but the new AER is very tollerable
Yup. No bueno.
What does breaking in a frame mean and entail?
Yamaha all the way man for dirt bikes any way
**watches in CR500**
Kawi must have pissed mxa off,, they always tall shit about it,, but all of the other magazines test like it ,, they always put it in the top 3,, dirt rider, dirt bike, swap moto, and a couple more I can’t think of,, and I’m not a kawi fan but it’s a good bike
The Honda engineers claimed the last gen frame was quite soft with stiff suspension.
Frame break in is BS. There's no reason to include that as a category. Absolutely nobody but a AMA Pro would even be able to sense frame break in, or have it effect them. Dropping that category puts the Honda in fourth place, followed by KTM #5, Husqvarna #6 and Gas Gas #7. Making your top 3 Suzuki, Kawasaki, and #1 Yamaha!
huh? He said they DONT require frame break in.
Bro 100% you can feel break in. My 24 250sxf changed like a light switch around the 16-18 hour mark.
What are the durability issues seen with the new Yamahas?
Probably none. It was strange the way no details were given. KTM on the hand grenaded under Jeff Walker not too long ago.
Miss Fantic and Ducati 😢😢
Was that a Monte Python reference? 😂
Yeah ! I love kTm😁.
Pls I need a 2025 125 shootout im getting a 125 in 3 days and I need to know which one I should get
I'm a Yamaha guy all the way but if u want the best 125 for racing get a KTM. If you're not an A rider the Yamaha is just fine and will be cheaper to work on in the future, down in power but the suspension is great.
@@fugginrambo thanks
Have we really gotten to a point where a 56-58 HP bike can be called slow lol. I hope you meant relative to the other bikes there. Even then it still wouldn’t be “slow” just not as fast.
nice job
Really wanted to see how the beta stacked up. Im sure it would of been behind the kawasaki
Dyno numbers do not show they feel when riding. I always find that interesting.
why include the RMZ ?
It's a shame not to have a Beta 450 RX in the running.
Would be sweet with tm racing and beta in there
There all pretty close overall I think it’s just whatever color you like best 👍
Id probably ride a 2001 250 the same speed as these new 450s, thats how little of the bikes potential i can use haha. I just like looking at them and nodding along, "ah yes, breaking in the frame i know about that for sure" 🤣
Ho Lee Chit the Honda almost Won One , I wonder if it helped that Jett went 1 One and won SX and MX . I'm stoked for the Red Jaun .
😂
btw at 10:00 that oil your bought at home we have 16 bottles of these at storage xD
Great review. On point and all the details a buyer needs to make a more informed decision.
Dear MXA, why there is no Beta in shootout?
They say at the beginning.
Triumph not have new bikes?
🔥🔥🔥
1 of each please🤙😎🤙