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Everyone’s acting like Intel has lost credibility. They’re just doing the same thing they’ve always done. Look at the Pentium debacle in the 90’s, they covered it up until forced by lawsuits to recall and replace chips.
you could inform yourself a bit better before writting crap. it's not INTEL making the MBs, and it's not INTEL setting the MBs with ilimited voltage by default. they are trying to fix something MB manufactors screwed up. Should be each manufactor to release a BIOS update to set the limits that INTEL stated as safe, as the default value. And also, INTEL already said they are replacing damaged CPUs to anyone that was affected by this, again, which isn't even their fault. and there aren't many CPUs that actually got damaged by this. it's instability and crashing, not exploding or melting. And comparing with the Pentium CPUs, again, shows you have no idea what you are talking about. the 13th/14th gen CPUs aren't flawed. it's the voltages in the MBs. any crash/instability is easily fixed by changing the BIOS settings and putting the values defined by INTEL as standard. OC is not, or ever was, the standard values for any CPU.
@@PapaMav fanboy? 3rd leg? that's the only thing you got? such a well detailed argument. oh ffs, grow up kid and comeback when your of age, not 12 or 13 years old.
This is why im never an early adopter and am always at least two gens behind the latest tech. Just upgraded my R5 1600 to a R7 5800x3d, undervolted with a -30 curve offset and lowered power limit (100W) and its 100% stable and more than enough for any current mid range GPU 👍 Hope you get the issues sorted.
@@Corrosion37 - Whereas i suppose you have Intel 19th gen with an Nvidia RTX9900 GPU? Not everyone wants or needs the latest bleeding edge tech in their systems, especially if they like older games. Lets face it, the latest AAAA games are mostly mediocre filler with content cut out for battlepasses, and then packed full of cosmetic microtransactions and boosters?
I have an Asus z790 dark hero with an i9 14-900K. It is brand new (June 2024) and i used the 1302 bios version since day one. Everything was working extremely well. My voltage was around 1.330, and my cpu never went over 70 C. This past friday i decided to update to the new bios (just for the new microcode). It is not good. For the first time since i built my pc, the cpu reached 80 C. I even got an alert from my AIO. The voltage change to 1.455. I use it mostly for gaming, so when i tried to play some Warzone, my cpu was getting extremely hot. Before the update the cpu stood around 65% to 70% TOP. But now, for some reason it was reaching 75 to even 82 C. That's when i got this alert from the AIO telling me my cpu was too hot. So i decided to just go back to the 1302 version, and now it is back to normal. Sorry for the long post and my bad english, just wanted to share some info about this.
Same thing with my 14700K, never passed 70c before the update, but after the update it reached 82c like its nothing..i downgraded to the old bios and all is good now..
Thanks for sharing. I’ve got a 14900K and Dark Hero motherboard too. I updated the BIOS to 1402 a few weeks ago. I also built my system in June. Based on what you’ve shared I’m not going to update the BIOS to 1503. By the way what AIO are you using?
@@jcvdvandd you can try them if you want. I’ve read on other posts that it did help some people, and if not you can always downgrade it. Oh and i’m using asus rog ryujin iii argb, it is súper good! And also extremely quiet. And like i mentioned, my cpu stays around 60 to 65 C all the time🙌🏻
This is all on the beta bios with the newest microcode update? Got a Pro Z 70-P and it seems recommended to update the bios to the beta ASAP but I'm already super nervous to update bios as is and afraid this'll happen to me.
I have a 13900KF with Asus Z790 Hero. I updated to the beta bios and it has pretty much made my system completely unstable in 1 day. Started with crashes in games, then BSOD loops to the point Windows 11 refused to boot without a command prompt chkdsk to repair windows. After that Cinebench R23 pretty much refused to run so I rolled back to the previous bios version, works stable with 30 mins of R23 stress test. I have no doubt at this point that my cpu has degraded to a degree and may be the reduced power settings introduced in the latest microcode patch has made it unstable - may have arrived at a point where system actually demands more power to provide the same clock speeds. Or it may be a different unrelated bug relating to the BIOS update.
I think that you are correct in the fact that your cpu has degraded to the point that it just will not be stable at lower voltages. Maybe an RMA is in your future, who knows for sure.
I never had a problem with my 13900KS and Z790 Extreme. Then updated to the newest BIOS to prevent issues before they started and now games crash randomly.
Ive used i9 14900KS for 2 weeks and thats true about the issue.. Crash when iam rendering image in 3Dsmax and Corona Render, BSOD after i give him full load task like rendering in 3D, or i cannot open software like Unreal Engine 5 and D5 Render.. it says error at Unreal and Force close at D5 Render.. i don't know what's wrong but i waited for the Intel driver update so i could running some games and work with this CPU.. My SPECS is i9 14900KS, ROG Z790A, i-game RTX 4080 Super, 64Gigs RAM and running at windows 11 pro.. but still randomly crashes, Ive try different RAM, SSD and downgrade to Windows 10 but still no fix on there.. all by default settings with my BIOS now but still no fix.. Ive buy the real license with Corona and D5 and still crashes randomly when i give him full load task.. i don't know if Intel have this issue before i build my rig.. Should i update the BIOS? come on Intel pleaseeee help me fix the problem !!!
I have heard it suggested that the big thing about this bug is that if left unchecked it physically breaks the CPU. If this is the case then not updating, means cpu degrading. That crash that you had in Time Spy could be the CPU not being able to run stably without an undervolt. Meaning irreversible damage done (potentially)
So I have ASUS TUF Z790 plus WIFI board with i9-13900kf. I was on bios 1010 for a long time. I just recently upgraded from 1010 to 1663. Now my system is totally unstable. Blue screen crashes, etc, the works, even on "default" BIOS settings. I tried reverting back to 1010 and it doesn't fix the issue (potentially because IntelME is permanently upgraded?). I reached out to ASUS and they said I should have "incrementally" upgraded, and not upgraded from 1010 to 1663 in one-shot. I've never heard this before in my life. They said trying to go back to 1010 and then go through 17 bios updates to incrementally update might fix it. I tried this and it didn't work. They are now sending me an RMA'd new mobo. But you've got me worried that potentially what's wrong is my CPU is fucked from long use of 1010?
@@mynameisawesomeman JayzTwoCents Uploaded a video called ( Guide: How to check if your CPU is BAD! ) I have a 13400 so i'm not an affected user (Acording to INTEL) So I didn't watch the entire video and can't tell you if it is good. But it is a place to start if you are really concerned.
Bro, I just applied a -0.050 offset, and the problem is almost solved. I recently bought a 14700K, and my temps were reaching 97°C on the P-cores and 78°C on the E-cores, with the V-core sometimes hitting 1.48V. After applying this offset, the V-core is now at 1.35V even under load, and the temps have reduced to 90-92°C (a 5-degree drop is still a win). The most important thing is that my benchmark results stayed the same.
No issues here. ASUS TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI D4, BETA bios. 13900K. System is super stable, even on 5.8 4 or all core TVB. No instability, no crashes, stable just like before. Never had an issue with the CPU or this platform so it's like nothing changed for me. Scores remained the same.
I have an MSI TOMAHAWK WIFI max with the Intel i9 14900K. I updated that new BIOS with intel settings and then updated the microcodes BIOS update of 0X125 and then 0X129. My temps are now higher then ever in 90c when underload, consistently throttling during Cinebench and now reaching 100c. People on the MSI forums refuse to believe this. I want to rollback my BIOS so bad, but I believe my computer will never be the same again cause the damage has begun.
0x123 microcode here, and about 2 months ago, my CPU started overheating and acting very strange, the only solution was to tweak it in the bios and upgrade the cooler. I still wonder if it somehow got damaged but I haven't had many stability issues since it's just unsettling wondering if any micro stutter or input lag etc is because the CPU is unhealthy, I think people who RMA their processors for ANY REASON should be eligible for a free 14 series processors. That is what intel needs to do to save face otherwise I'm honestly considering AMD
The problem is that it is broken, every day you run your CPU with broken microcode the overvoltage will slowly degrade its useful life. The chips unstable after the update are already broken, they are unstable at safe voltage.
@@Generic_Ninja Unless of course they aren't running on stock settings and know how to set the voltage themselves, in which case they would not have had any issues for the last 18 months.
@Generic_Ninja That's not necessarily true. No one is sure if every cpu is impacted (in fact it could be a smaller than expected number of cpus involved). Of you're cpu is running fine now, there's no need to panic unless you're running an extreme overclock at high voltages. I'd you're having any issues, by all means go to the new bios.
my i9 14900kf with stock bios settings on intel profile and only xmp 2 active on cinebench r23 my score was 32k, with new bios is 37.7, my chip on bios says it's 97 and my games crashes now and before too on asus profile
I had 34K in cinebench R23 with a 14700K undervolted (-0,052), with PL1 & 2 set to 253, and everything was working & stable; vid not over 1,46 V. after the 129 update on cinebench R23 I have 31K (same values applied), Vid under 1,44 V. I’ll try the default settings (done, result: 28K😡😳😡) but I think I’ll roll back to the 123 micro code applying my undervolt, if it stays like this (I’ve never used 125 update).
@@H33t3Speaks no problem, I kept the latest update, but I just deactivated the intel default setting, configuring them manually again, locking the VID tension at 1,45 V MAX, so that the CPU cannot receive more than that whatsoever, pl1 pl2 253w, undervolt offset -0,052… in this way Cinebench R23 hit again arount 33K points, versus the 34K+ of before the update and the 28 (😳😡), with moments of thermal throttling (I’ve an Artic Liquid Freezer III 360 AIO!) of the new microcode with intel default settings (shameful)… I’m pretty sure that if something happens, and you reveal that config, Intel will refuse the RMA telling that you didn’t followed their baselines, but selling a CPU that, 3 month later, would have is performance shortened by 17% in order to work safety, without refundimg me (at least) the 17% of what I’ve paid (worthless because I would have just not bought that CPU, but let’s just say that for the sake of the argument) it’s a damn SCAM. I think I’ll build a new platform with a 7950X3D, and see how it goes…
The version Mike downloaded was 1662, dated 2024/08/09, marked "Beta Version". ASUS updated this 5 days later, to version 1663, dated 2024/08/14, which was NOT marked as Beta. Clearly, Mike's version was found to be problematic, as it was quickly updated, tested, and released, within a very few days. It suggests that BIOS updates should be left alone for a couple of weeks, to ensure you don't make matters worse, and to allow time for glitches to be discovered and fixed.
Ive got an i7 13700kf and didn't have any problem's now after the bios update there is a slight performance downgrade but it's from lowering the cpu voltage and intel safe setting's so i mean nothing realy changed for my but ive got worse scores in geekbench that's it.I can say that we have the same issue if intel doesn't fix that i think i will switch to amd.
Ive used i9 14900KS for 2 weeks and thats true about the issue.. Crash when iam rendering image in 3Dsmax and Corona Render, BSOD after i give him full load task like rendering in 3D, or i cannot open software like Unreal Engine 5 and D5 Render.. it says error at Unreal and Force close at D5 Render.. i don't know what's wrong but i waited for the Intel driver update so i could running some games and work with this CPU.. My SPECS is i9 14900KS, ROG Z790A, i-game RTX 4080 Super, 64Gigs RAM and running at windows 11 pro.. but still randomly crashes, Ive try different RAM, SSD and downgrade to Windows 10 but still no fix on there.. Ive buy the real license with Corona and D5 and still crashes randomly when i give him full load task.. i don't know if Intel have this issue before.. come on Intel pleaseeee help me fix the problem !!!
I’m on Asus Z790 + 14700 K, undervolted by -0,052 V and limited to 253W still day one: Zero issue before the update, lost 7% of performance in Cinebench after (if using same values)… still have to try with default settings… 🙄
13700k on a b660 asus plus mobo current bios is from 2022, max voltage at 1.47v, been running almost 2 years no issues, not updating my bios to make my cpus perfomance worse and disable multicore enhancement fuck thattttttttt
G'day Mike, Thanks for the update on your experience with your system including performance changes, it is helpful for understanding what the update has done & how it may help some people affected, Personally I really don't think this is any closer to being resolved for many owners just yet as like the ASUS Beta BIOS instruction wording there is just so much confusion of "What should I do" causing stress for so many people. I think due to the way intel has handled this people like you who didn't seem to have a problem are in a "Schrödinger's CPU" "Am I safe, Am I affected, 🤷♂???" situation, add to that the many RMA Declined Issues being reported for those already with dead CPUs making people (Especially Pre-Built Owners) not currently affected scared if they don't do the BIOS Update Immediately they may be rejected too if their CPU fails soon, but also scared updating the BIOS may cause performance issues that they are not educated enough to fix.
Yeah it is an awkward situation and I am rather uncomfortable about where it has left me at the moment with an unstable system that was on the whole pretty much perfect before the update
G'day @@kendalley2314 it's in the ASUS info & Mike also mentioned that the intel ME Code can't be rolled back though, so while he can rollback the BIOS any underlying ME Code changes can't be so it won't really be "the same" as before.
@@mikesunboxing A Really Silly Village Idiot sort of Question; If you take your system, Replaced the CPU for a AMD AM5 7/9 and equivalent Motherboard would it be a different and better story ? - reliability, trust of the CPU & Mobo brand = Happy PC User and not p^%^^% off with System instability issues with these Cooking 13th - 14th GEN CPU's.
@@shaneeslick … you can see that the ME version is the same for both BIOS 2402 and 2503 if you check out the ASUS website … yet 2402 has Intel microcode 0x125 and 2503 has Intel microcode 0x129 which I find strange … I assumed therefore that it may have been the BIOS change which led to the instability found by Mike after the BIOS update from 2402 to 2503.
Intel: let's overclock the sh!t out of the CPU, over voltage all our processors to beat AMD. Whoops, now we got damaged silicon. We have to lay off 20,000 employees. That's what you get when bean counters run company. Intel! Look what happened to Boeing. That's coming for you next.
Nice video. Thank you. It looks like your white balance might be set to automatic? Your rig in back going through the rainbow colors, appears to change the chroma of the entire screen. Even your white sign, Mike's unboxing sign appears to shift colors.
Interesting update imo, two observations though. On the website the last three bios updates state the same msg that Intel ME version is identical and non removable! So if previously msg at latest bios then Intel ME has not changed. Also the best results appear to be with Asus settings, is there any worries that it exceeds limits Intel would rather impose to reduce risk of degredation? Thanks for sharing Mike and Kath as always 🐈👍
Just go back to Asus optimization and set the value you want manually. Try to lock the VID to 1.4v - 1.45v and check if the computer is stable. From my experience, the new beta bios only alter the standard profile, but is identical to the old ones in every other feature. As a Beta Bios, it is "Beta" only about the novelties. I switched back to the Asus Optimization due to issues with temperature in the processor. I don't think my CPU will last longer if the Temp is always hitting 100C° and thermal throttling. On Asus Optimization and some tweaking, I'm back to 80-85C° max as before the Update.
Never use betas period, always wait for the next which should be mid August. Also idk why gamer nexus and others made such a big deal about this when the 14900k is marketed as an enthusiast cpu. All the server devs needed to do was undervolt also. I don't get how this is new news? Amd def had there hand in the cookie jar on this one with them devs. Just so happened to do this in the public eye when they switch to mainly amd and right before an amd launch? Which has also been crap so far. Lol
I'm running an Asus z790 Dark Hero w/14900K, no issues with the new, or old microcode. Marginal performance hits in certain scenarios, a couple of more notably severe instances. Seems to leave P-cores alone, tinkers some with E-cores. Why didn't you select CAP file?
@@mikesunboxing can you help me find the perfect motherboard for my build? Here are the details: Cpu:Ryzen 7700 Motherboard requirements: -Should last at least 5 years or longer -Must be a b650 mobo -Software can range from medium to good -Stable board -No audio issues(alc 4080 codec) Budget:200$ or less
If you actually took the time to read the informational pop up when choosing the Intel profile, rather than saying "blah blah" you might understand what the different profiles do. It has nothing to do with whether your CPU is a 'K' sku or not.
I applied my BIOS update for my i9-13900 (non K) using the B760M chipset with DDR4 memory running the microcode 0x129. Then again I am a software developer so I hardly stress the machine since I don't game at all but run a lot of VM's. No issues so far. I upgraded from a i7-6700 (non K) and it was solid as a rock - it started getting slow for my programming tools so I would not have upgraded.
glad to hear your system is okay, i have just had to downgrade the BIOS to the older version just to be able to use chrome consistently without it crashing
@@mikesunboxing I think your CPU is already damaged and this microcode simply shows the symptom quicker. Does you older BIOS contain the 0x125 update btw ???. There are two related ones that they fixed 0x125 to fix the eTVB issue 0x129 to address elevated voltages Note microcode contains previous fixes so you only need to apply the latest.
I have the ASUS TUF Z790 pro WIFI and i could not run the new BIOS. nothing but BSOD's. i could not even run the intel default settings, had to sync all cores and run it at 5ghz. got an RMA from intel yesterday so i hope that will be the fix for me or AMD ? LOL
thank you for risking your own systems so we don't have to. always great videos. I have a Maximus Z790 hero BTF and used a new 14700K and manually changed my settings and my system is running better than my other 14700K on an ASUS Z790 dark hero and a 13700K on an ASUS Z790 hero and can not afford to risk my systems, the latter 2 have many instabilities, so once again thank you for this video
I dont trust Intel right now. Went with 7800x3d. Zero regrets so far but i only game so it was a no brainer really. Intel are throwing like 300w at stuff to keep up? no thanks I dont want melted chips. My 7800x3d sips up to 60w at full throttle. I cant hit 120w no matter what ive tried. BIG difference from how power hungry intel are.
And I always update. Public Service announcement-apparently Microsoft, sometime at the end of June (24) started to AUTOMATICALLY institue BitLocker on your drive when loading Windows OS to it, previously for it to be "ON" YOU had to be the one to put it on.
@@FrequencyOfThought not talking about or interested in, the microcode revisions. BIOS updates in general. I don't get peoples adversity to doing them; they're put out there for a reason.
@FrequencyOfThought The chances of someone exploiting that vulnerability on my PC are about as likely as me meeting aliens. Fun fact: Every AMD chip since 2006 has a security vulnerability that AMD won't fix “Sinkclose” (CVE-2023-31315). It's like worrying about dying in a plane crash-statistically, the odds are extremely low."
The Cat Lady below is correct; ASUS is w/o fault. Sweetheart, is CH still stuck in AZ or did he finally make his big move back to Mo-Town he talked ad nauseum about?
mine as well...i have to go back to the 1661, i never seen so much mess up between 2 companies, even asus call asus indirectly oblivious, ye something is not right between these "enterprises"
I have Asus Z790-E and have it on Bios 2402. There is a new one called 2503. This new one was beta few days ago and now it does not say beta anymore. The score in that app called cinebench is 35561. I did drop some voltage on the CPU. It's now 300 from what it use to be 400. Was running very hoot but now it never goes above 80 c. I have the 13900k with 64gb. For some reason this damn Xmp never works on my pc. It always crashes the pc. The ram runs at 4000hz but I think I have ram 6400mhz.
@@mikesunboxing Thanks for these videos Mike - Intel really has delivered a dog's dinner of f%^%^%^ on these 13th & 14th Gen Chips, not looking forward in building my 14th Gen PC - starting in few weeks time and wished I went down the AMD Route. Intel Certainly shot themselves in the foot and driving their customers (even with their 15th Gen / New Gen CPU's) from this tarnish brand over to AMD.
congratulations. You just went back to the old bugged microcode that will slowly degrade your PC with undetectable voltage spikes. This is why we dont listen to TH-camrs who cant comprehend what the actual issues are.
its asus -what do you expect... I got asus to and ill never do a bios update since Asus cant provide a program that checks the motehrboard if its ok unlike mine witht he usb corrupting everything usbstick inserted like windows install usb- yes it managed to kill that even - So if did a bios upgrade- would it notify me -I cant do that -No it would contone until its bricked -guess asus dont use brains or other producers either
Still looking for the spot where it supposedly broke your computer. Ah well, you got me to look--or you just got me. There is a new update now as of 8/15/24 that is not beta. Frankly I didn't notice much of a difference in the temps on my 13700K, but I guess I'm "safe" now.
i elobarated on this in the live stream, the pc was really unstable and chrome constantly crashes and 3d mark would not run, that to me is a broken pc, sorry i didn't go into as much detail as i did in the live
Updated to the beta BIOS on my Asus TUF Z790 gaming and seems to be working fine, the only problem I had was with my memory. Older BIOS gave memory errors with XMP1 but went away with XMP2. However, BIOS 1661 I could run XMP 1 and got no errors under memtest86. Updating to the beta 1662 BIOS I got errors again under XMP1 and had to go back to using XMP2. Other than that system has been stable 24/7 on my i7 13700k.
Almost always the rule of thumb for any update is DO YOU NEED IT. If your system is working flawless, why would you risk that. I undervolt bc I like the lower temps and better performance, but unless theres something absolutely required beyond what your PC is already doing you should only update when absolutely needed. And to still use Asus in 2024 means you been asleep in all of 2023.
@@mikesunboxing ah thanks somehow thought that already. Information for all, my ASUS Z790i+14900k is totally unstable after upgrading to the new and even after downgrading to the older BIOS... thanks Intel / ASUS
Hey Mike was wondering if you under volt your CPUs on install or not, it's a practice of mine for many years and have never had a failure. I'm thinking of grabbing a 14900K once they plummet in price and doing my usual undervolting thing, whaddya' think?
@@mikesunboxing At no point in your video your system looks "broken"... Any inconveniences might be due to several reasons (especially after a new default beta bios) and you should recheck bios/ram and gpu settings. Remember, cpu manufactures give the patch and then motherboard makers build a bios around it, in which they include their own separate fixes (trying to help in their part). Any crushes occured in timespy might be in intel's or asus' part of the bios - but you judged, it was due to microcode. Anyway your system does not look broken and crashes like these always happen, when we try to find the sweet spot of our settings.
I can't understood why you all get so fast. The Update as it says is BETA, it's expected to have a lot more problems than Stable version. You all rush and get screwed. You see all the things Intel make last few month's about this problems, and still rush to install BETA Bios Update.....
for me as someone that is doing tech reviews on TH-cam, it is in my interest to try these so i can report back to the viewers with my findings so other might enjoy any improvements or serve as fair warning of troubles ahead. hopefully anyone considering this update can watch the video and use my experience to make up their own mind if it is something they want to do
@@mikesunboxing Ye for you i understood. And it's necessery evil to take the risks. I wonder for other people, why they rushing. Before see reviews like you make and other youtubers.
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13700k fully stock and Asus rog strix z690 F motherboard I can still play without problems mw3, counter strike, helldivers 2, forza horizon 5 etc, no stability problem for now, everything runs smoothly and with good temps, the BETA version is out for my motherboard but I think I'm going to wait for the official version, I hope I don't have any problems.
If you want your computer to be a ticking time bomb please do not update to the latest microcode. 0x129 fixes an undetectable voltage spike bug in the algorithm. Anybody who doesnt apply the new update deserves what they get in due time.
It actually killed mine. I just flashed my aorus master z790 and now I get a post code error 69 and it shuts down. It won't boot at all. So, either it killed my motherboard or my 13900k was about to die and the update broke it.
Updated BIOS on an ROG Maximus Z790 Hero to version 2503 a couple days ago, started from 0307 (original). Flashed from USB in the BIOS. Process succeeded, however, Hyper M.2 NVMe is now recognized but can no longer be read, showing as 0GB. Tried various CSM and drive settings, updating NVMe drive firmware, physically reseating, rolling back to 1904 (earliest 2024 version), none of these worked. Please provide advice if possible.
@@mikesunboxing Thank you for replying, it is indeed strange. Never seen this happen to an NVMe drive before. Your experience showed me that a myriad of new problems are happening after installing this latest microcode update. Probably going to have it diagnosed at Microcenter (in the US).
Hi, very good video. I have an i71400k and I don't understand much about the microprocessor voltage, and the update says it's not for my microprocessor. Could you make a video on how to lower the microprocessor voltages? I also don't understand how to detect if my microprocessor is failing. Greetings from Argentina
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When updating the BIOS what gets reset, only the AI Tweaker settings (on my Hero BIOS it's called Extreme Tweaker) or does literally everything get reset like under Main, Avanced, Monitor and Boot?
@@mikesunboxing Thanks! So when I update my ASUS Z790 Hero BIOS from 0813 (Feb 2023) to the latest 2503, it's likely that everything will get reset. I only know about some things under the Extreme Tweaker menu, and I have no idea what the shop that built my system did with the other menu items. My system has been running without any problems (for now), so is it even worth it to let the shop update my BIOS?
Please let your charts start at 0 inthe future, otherwise they could be interpreted in a misleading way as relative differences are visually misrepresented.
if it was set at zero it would show very little difference as the score are in 30,000 - 40,000 range. But as we all know in the PC and tech space a small difference can mean a lot
@@mikesunboxing I understand and you are correct that it would "show" less difference but that is the point I want to make, as the differences are only that small (2-5% range in from your data) and hence it would represent your data better in my opinion and also be more coherent, as for some graphs you are letting them start at 0, even though the difference is in the same 2-5% range. I myself have run into the same mistake before and was called out by my Professors xD If it is not too much effort you could for example start adding the percentual difference to the end of the graph and let them start at 0 in your future tests or just say them when you show the graph. Thanks again for the informative video and for putting in the effort to retrieve this data, highly appreciated👍
How does an undervolt stop erroneously high microcode VID requests, done as the CPU idles to avoid a V drop under anticipated load? You need to set an absolute max V limit like Intel (1.55V or lower like Buildzoid 1.4V shows) does in their defaults which are included the microcode update.
@@mikesunboxing but there's buggy requests, they're close to 1.6V and frequent and the value depends on the AC/DC load line settings which have been incorrect. As Intel have per core V/frequency tables with values determined during validation testing, I suspect viable undervolts are more like 20mV not 200mV and only the i9 needs >1.5V to reach the highest frequency. Besides degradation has been reported in laptops and on server boards set for power efficiency and stability not performance. So the evidence is software was triggering the V spike from faulty microcode and Intel's lack of QA and curiosity about failing CPUs despite replacing some data center ones en masse has hidden the uncaught problem that Buildzoid's video demonstrated.
24k....... why bother getting a 13900 to run it like a potato.... the 13900 is capable of 32-34k even on the new update with an under volt to keep its from requesting too much voltage
@@mikesunboxing Neither I was looking at timespy, but I guess the GPU could impact that result Either way its not looking good for intel right now is it, didn't something similar happen back in the 90s like this, and they end up refunding or replacing, but it took a lawsuit to go through.
For me the "old" bios work better ( PRIME Z790-P WIFI BIOS 1661 ), I do not know if is because the new bios is only for non K CPU's or because is in beta or Asus just mess up the update. I have tested with several APP's, and have the WHinfo and the CPUZ all say the same, with the old bios (1661) the max VID request was 1.490v, on load was 1.445V, the actual voltage on core was 1.167V TO 1.175V on load, on idle is 1.247V, I have it manual set to 1.250V and all the AMP's and wats are also manual set in the Intel specs, (oh, the default auto on this version is 1.4V), also pull 179W to 182W with my manual settings. Now with the new bios (1662) for starters the default is 1.450V, all the AMP's and wats stay the same (intel specs), -- the CPU request 1.55V and gets 1.45V, temps go way high, clock drops to 5.1Ghz on auto and setting the cores to 5.3Ghz does nothing (actually drops to 4.3Ghz) -- if I set the same values of voltage like I was using on the old version it post, but the request go higher (1.6V), it stays at the voltage I set (1.265V) but the core goes to 3.8Ghz (lower over the E cores), the E cores never drops (stay at 4.2Ghz), it pull 162W. Also on the new bios the temps go above 90C, on the old version it go to 72C (on higher clock), try to force on the new bios to reach the clocks and performance I had on the old bios and do not work, or drops the clock to low or hits above 90 in secs. I sort I will keep the old bios for now, looks like is really in beta or is not for K SKU's. PS, ( PRIME Z790-P WIFI ), ( 13700KF ) , ( DDR5 6400 ).
@@mikesunboxing I think I found the why of the strange voltages / clock. Something on the firmware detects the requests and the max vid set, if is lower over the requests the CPU drops the clock and ask more Voltage ( no matter how hot it is ). In my case I'm not using offset rather static voltage, and with the new bios if the request is higher over the static voltage the clock will lower (a lot). Other settings I'm using is the uncore (ring) at 1.220V (static), also OC pull at the same voltage as the main vid (1.250V). If you go to the VRM settings and set the max there the core drops to 3.2Ghz if the vid is set static and 1.25V or 1.3V to be inside the P1 and P2. That's why if you check on the WHinfo the cores and uncore (VR max Voltage P4) is yes all the time on load
well ..................... i notice the microcode put my 13600K on 5.5 ghz all cores and 4.3 all e cores as default witch is the config of intel speed optimazer ok ok is not a complain but come on wasnt the idea of the bloody microcode
@@mikesunboxing so first thing after the update we see is a message ‘neither clear or accurate’: it perfectly fits Intel general situation, I guess…😅😓 Anyway it seems that turning intel default settings off the fix doesn’t work anymore (at least on Gigabyte boards)… good to know (or NOT good, I should say) but that doesn’t explain why to reset fans curve or led behaviour or usb settings too…😡🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Aerobrake IMO It's not the PC Industry, it's the end users and the endless drive for 3 to 5 % more numbers that mean nothing but to be able to Look at my score. The vast PC community could careless if someone "Hit" a higher score, The days of having a good over all PC that works fine as is have been over taken with meaningless number for bragging rights. So the industry is driven to crank out more and more and faster and faster products at a higher coast. Just like this RGB trash, at the end of the line it now coast far more for some light show that only the end user will ever see at a much higher price in stead of a overall good running PC.
@@simplysimon966 no worries 😉 I like to be brutally honest and if any product or service has an issue I won’t hold back regardless of how polarising the opinion might be
Mike, you don't seem to have paid mind to my waring about the BitLocker Notice that posted in your the comments of your Live Video (about no one buying the rig until you put AMD) in it....I also, did not, have not, used BitLocker and you know from my messages happened to me when ignoring that and just checking YES. Queries: 1) Is Windows the OS on this rig you are featuring in this video? 2) If so, when did you load it on to your Boot Drive?
@@mikesunboxing Right. So you did not fall into the pickle I did for the reason you performed the installation before Microsoft changed to automatically activating BitLocker on drives, toward the end of this June. It may help people if you made that a public service announcement so they are aware to check and suspend BitLocker before proceeding with a BIOS update, if they built their rig from the end of June to present.
@Mike's unboxing, reviews and how to so how dit it "break" your pc?!?!? exactly it apparently didn´t pls stop fucking stupid headlines that are bullshit. wasted 15mins just to debunk the headline.
I really like your videos Mike, but the title of this one is completely erroneous and seems like click bait (I would have watched it regardless of the title, BTW). You said yourself that the PC still ran fine and simply lost a little performance with certain settings. Please explain how the BIOS "BROKE" your PC? You're better than this, mate.
Sorry you didn't get the gist of the video, the default base level update made the PC crash in timespy and others (i could have elaborated on this maybe but thought most people would see where it was going ) and also after the video with more testing the system become unstable regardless of the settings choosen in the bios, in the end on Monday after wrestling with BSOD and chrome crashing constantly i reverted back to the previous bios and settings, and now my pc is useable again. To summerize the BIOS update broke my PC to a point i couldn't use it. The title and thumbnail are totally justified.
Are you sure it is Intel and not ASUS? Since ASUS is ALWAYS without fault....! Actually HW Overclocking managed to install the latest UEFI on his Gigabyte Aorus Master Board F14f just fine and it seems to run perfectly. So it might NOT be the fault of Intel (as much as I do not like them), it might be ASUS.
I’ve got a few z790 boards at my disposal, 2 of them are asus boards and both of them are very unstable with my 14900k. My gigabyte z790 elite ax ice is more stable by a mile. It’s not perfect but that’s also because I ran that cpu originally on an asus board and used all stock intel defaults with no mce and I know that chip still got degraded. Lately I’ve been running my memory at a much lower frequency than xmp, I’ve also gone from 48gb back to 32gb and I can at least game without constant crashes on my gigabyte board however it refuses to play nice on any of my asus boards even running ddr 6000 cl30 or 5600.
You didn’t listen carefully or misunderstood what I was saying the update is awful in its default state and even after my tweaks it later displayed more instability so I would strongly advise against it
@@mikesunboxing So, I should NOT update my BIOS? I've been lucky. My i9 has been rock solid. Some people are saying the update is awesome. Others are saying it fixes nothing or actual causes stable systems to become unstable.
With certain RAM it isn't stable under XMP 1. I had to do the same with my motherboard, XMP 1 gave all sorts of memory errors, but XMP 2 it is rock solid.
Xmp 2 forces the system to read the more detailed xmp info from the ram rather than just guessing the timings so should in theory make the system more stable
It looks like you got lucky with a good chip. Evidence is that the damage occurs from too much voltage for Single and Dual Core Boost. I strongly recommend that you revert to the original microcode, and then Synch all cores. You've got a really nice under-volt (you have a good sample). Disable Single Core and your CPU should last forever. Single Core often draws 1.44-1.6v
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Intel employee: "Sir, the patch is bugged"
Intel senior: "You mean the bug is patched?"
Employee: "I know what I said"
Everyone’s acting like Intel has lost credibility. They’re just doing the same thing they’ve always done. Look at the Pentium debacle in the 90’s, they covered it up until forced by lawsuits to recall and replace chips.
you could inform yourself a bit better before writting crap. it's not INTEL making the MBs, and it's not INTEL setting the MBs with ilimited voltage by default. they are trying to fix something MB manufactors screwed up. Should be each manufactor to release a BIOS update to set the limits that INTEL stated as safe, as the default value.
And also, INTEL already said they are replacing damaged CPUs to anyone that was affected by this, again, which isn't even their fault. and there aren't many CPUs that actually got damaged by this. it's instability and crashing, not exploding or melting.
And comparing with the Pentium CPUs, again, shows you have no idea what you are talking about. the 13th/14th gen CPUs aren't flawed. it's the voltages in the MBs. any crash/instability is easily fixed by changing the BIOS settings and putting the values defined by INTEL as standard. OC is not, or ever was, the standard values for any CPU.
@@2leggedpirate265 how do you explain the oxidation issue, Intel Fan Boy? And what happened, did you lose your 3rd leg?
Sadly, this will only get resolved by a Class Action lawsuit, which at the end, will mostly benefit the attorneys involved.
@@PapaMav fanboy? 3rd leg? that's the only thing you got? such a well detailed argument.
oh ffs, grow up kid and comeback when your of age, not 12 or 13 years old.
@@2leggedpirate265 oh you are so mean and cutting. Don't see your response about the oxidation, fan boy.
This is why im never an early adopter and am always at least two gens behind the latest tech. Just upgraded my R5 1600 to a R7 5800x3d, undervolted with a -30 curve offset and lowered power limit (100W) and its 100% stable and more than enough for any current mid range GPU 👍
Hope you get the issues sorted.
*slow clap*
@@Corrosion37 - Whereas i suppose you have Intel 19th gen with an Nvidia RTX9900 GPU?
Not everyone wants or needs the latest bleeding edge tech in their systems, especially if they like older games. Lets face it, the latest AAAA games are mostly mediocre filler with content cut out for battlepasses, and then packed full of cosmetic microtransactions and boosters?
Your comment helps nobody.
It's good for the algorhythm :)
The 5800x3D can easily be paired with any high end GPU.
I have an Asus z790 dark hero with an i9 14-900K. It is brand new (June 2024) and i used the 1302 bios version since day one. Everything was working extremely well. My voltage was around 1.330, and my cpu never went over 70 C.
This past friday i decided to update to the new bios (just for the new microcode).
It is not good. For the first time since i built my pc, the cpu reached 80 C. I even got an alert from my AIO. The voltage change to 1.455.
I use it mostly for gaming, so when i tried to play some Warzone, my cpu was getting extremely hot. Before the update the cpu stood around 65% to 70% TOP. But now, for some reason it was reaching 75 to even 82 C.
That's when i got this alert from the AIO telling me my cpu was too hot.
So i decided to just go back to the 1302 version, and now it is back to normal.
Sorry for the long post and my bad english, just wanted to share some info about this.
i just reverted back to 1661 version and all is well again :-)
Same thing with my 14700K, never passed 70c before the update, but after the update it reached 82c like its nothing..i downgraded to the old bios and all is good now..
Thanks for sharing. I’ve got a 14900K and Dark Hero motherboard too. I updated the BIOS to 1402 a few weeks ago. I also built my system in June. Based on what you’ve shared I’m not going to update the BIOS to 1503. By the way what AIO are you using?
@@jcvdvandd you can try them if you want. I’ve read on other posts that it did help some people, and if not you can always downgrade it. Oh and i’m using asus rog ryujin iii argb, it is súper good! And also extremely quiet. And like i mentioned, my cpu stays around 60 to 65 C all the time🙌🏻
This is all on the beta bios with the newest microcode update? Got a Pro Z 70-P and it seems recommended to update the bios to the beta ASAP but I'm already super nervous to update bios as is and afraid this'll happen to me.
I have a 13900KF with Asus Z790 Hero. I updated to the beta bios and it has pretty much made my system completely unstable in 1 day. Started with crashes in games, then BSOD loops to the point Windows 11 refused to boot without a command prompt chkdsk to repair windows. After that Cinebench R23 pretty much refused to run so I rolled back to the previous bios version, works stable with 30 mins of R23 stress test. I have no doubt at this point that my cpu has degraded to a degree and may be the reduced power settings introduced in the latest microcode patch has made it unstable - may have arrived at a point where system actually demands more power to provide the same clock speeds. Or it may be a different unrelated bug relating to the BIOS update.
If your CPU is having issues with the new microcode then is time to RMA, is degraded and that is not fixable .
I think that you are correct in the fact that your cpu has degraded to the point that it just will not be stable at lower voltages. Maybe an RMA is in your future, who knows for sure.
I never had a problem with my 13900KS and Z790 Extreme. Then updated to the newest BIOS to prevent issues before they started and now games crash randomly.
@@redshift6251 make sure you are on the Intel default , if you use any motherboard maker profile the fix won't work
Ive used i9 14900KS for 2 weeks and thats true about the issue.. Crash when iam rendering image in 3Dsmax and Corona Render, BSOD after i give him full load task like rendering in 3D, or i cannot open software like Unreal Engine 5 and D5 Render.. it says error at Unreal and Force close at D5 Render.. i don't know what's wrong but i waited for the Intel driver update so i could running some games and work with this CPU.. My SPECS is i9 14900KS, ROG Z790A, i-game RTX 4080 Super, 64Gigs RAM and running at windows 11 pro.. but still randomly crashes, Ive try different RAM, SSD and downgrade to Windows 10 but still no fix on there.. all by default settings with my BIOS now but still no fix.. Ive buy the real license with Corona and D5 and still crashes randomly when i give him full load task.. i don't know if Intel have this issue before i build my rig.. Should i update the BIOS? come on Intel pleaseeee help me fix the problem !!!
Intel needs to show technical proof of the issue and the so call fix is able to fix it
I agree
I have heard it suggested that the big thing about this bug is that if left unchecked it physically breaks the CPU.
If this is the case then not updating, means cpu degrading.
That crash that you had in Time Spy could be the CPU not being able to run stably without an undervolt.
Meaning irreversible damage done (potentially)
Yeah that is a concern
So I have ASUS TUF Z790 plus WIFI board with i9-13900kf. I was on bios 1010 for a long time. I just recently upgraded from 1010 to 1663. Now my system is totally unstable. Blue screen crashes, etc, the works, even on "default" BIOS settings. I tried reverting back to 1010 and it doesn't fix the issue (potentially because IntelME is permanently upgraded?). I reached out to ASUS and they said I should have "incrementally" upgraded, and not upgraded from 1010 to 1663 in one-shot. I've never heard this before in my life. They said trying to go back to 1010 and then go through 17 bios updates to incrementally update might fix it. I tried this and it didn't work. They are now sending me an RMA'd new mobo. But you've got me worried that potentially what's wrong is my CPU is fucked from long use of 1010?
@@mynameisawesomeman JayzTwoCents Uploaded a video called ( Guide: How to check if your CPU is BAD! )
I have a 13400 so i'm not an affected user (Acording to INTEL) So I didn't watch the entire video and can't tell you if it is good.
But it is a place to start if you are really concerned.
Bro, I just applied a -0.050 offset, and the problem is almost solved. I recently bought a 14700K, and my temps were reaching 97°C on the P-cores and 78°C on the E-cores, with the V-core sometimes hitting 1.48V. After applying this offset, the V-core is now at 1.35V even under load, and the temps have reduced to 90-92°C (a 5-degree drop is still a win). The most important thing is that my benchmark results stayed the same.
nice one
Thanks.
But I have been reading that if you have current issues with crashing etc. The CPU is toast and the microcode won't fix this
That's true. If you were having issues before the microcode won't fix it, that cpu would need to be replaced.
Sticking with AMD for the foreseeable future, as I have a decent understanding of AM4 and AM5.
No issues here.
ASUS TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI D4, BETA bios. 13900K.
System is super stable, even on 5.8 4 or all core TVB.
No instability, no crashes, stable just like before. Never had an issue with the CPU or this platform so it's like nothing changed for me. Scores remained the same.
I envy you
Citar, my instructions say to set my Bios to default settings. no other adjustments. Is that what you did?
@@CitarNosis317 Shouldnt have posted that, now everyone will be envious of you 😂😂 & youll get issues.
I have an ASUS Z790 Maximus Hero and worried about doing this update. The last bios update already killed my productivity…
Don't do it. It may make it worse. My PC was fine until I updated the BIOS.
You're not alone! Looking forward to the play by play of these BIOS's rolling out.
I have an MSI TOMAHAWK WIFI max with the Intel i9 14900K. I updated that new BIOS with intel settings and then updated the microcodes BIOS update of 0X125 and then 0X129. My temps are now higher then ever in 90c when underload, consistently throttling during Cinebench and now reaching 100c. People on the MSI forums refuse to believe this. I want to rollback my BIOS so bad, but I believe my computer will never be the same again cause the damage has begun.
roll it back, i did on mine, hopefully the next round of updates have a more positive outcome
Mike you better make an update video of the Pc.
so people understand how bad it has become.
Thanks for the video 😀
yeah it is a frustrating time for some intel users at the moment
Am I so glad I've bought an AMD CPU last time .... will get an 9900X or 9800X3D next. Intel is on my blacklist for 5+ years, next tot ASUS ...
Unfortunate
0x123 microcode here, and about 2 months ago, my CPU started overheating and acting very strange, the only solution was to tweak it in the bios and upgrade the cooler. I still wonder if it somehow got damaged but I haven't had many stability issues since it's just unsettling wondering if any micro stutter or input lag etc is because the CPU is unhealthy, I think people who RMA their processors for ANY REASON should be eligible for a free 14 series processors. That is what intel needs to do to save face otherwise I'm honestly considering AMD
I’m gonna hold off. My system runs great now and if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Just thought the same thing lol 14700k
The problem is that it is broken, every day you run your CPU with broken microcode the overvoltage will slowly degrade its useful life. The chips unstable after the update are already broken, they are unstable at safe voltage.
@@Generic_Ninja Unless of course they aren't running on stock settings and know how to set the voltage themselves, in which case they would not have had any issues for the last 18 months.
@@Generic_Ninja Its not over volting though. Never going above 1.35
@Generic_Ninja That's not necessarily true. No one is sure if every cpu is impacted (in fact it could be a smaller than expected number of cpus involved). Of you're cpu is running fine now, there's no need to panic unless you're running an extreme overclock at high voltages. I'd you're having any issues, by all means go to the new bios.
my i9 14900kf with stock bios settings on intel profile and only xmp 2 active on cinebench r23 my score was 32k, with new bios is 37.7, my chip on bios says it's 97 and my games crashes now and before too on asus profile
I had 34K in cinebench R23 with a 14700K undervolted (-0,052), with PL1 & 2 set to 253, and everything was working & stable; vid not over 1,46 V.
after the 129 update on cinebench R23 I have 31K (same values applied), Vid under 1,44 V.
I’ll try the default settings (done, result: 28K😡😳😡) but I think I’ll roll back to the 123 micro code applying my undervolt, if it stays like this (I’ve never used 125 update).
@@kapitumbulu yea if was working good before is better to stick for now to older bios, i think a lot of issues happening is because it's a beta
@@kapitumbuluYou cannot roll back the microcode or management engine. They are totally separate from your BIOS.
@@H33t3Speaks no problem, I kept the latest update, but I just deactivated the intel default setting, configuring them manually again, locking the VID tension at 1,45 V MAX, so that the CPU cannot receive more than that whatsoever, pl1 pl2 253w, undervolt offset -0,052… in this way Cinebench R23 hit again arount 33K points, versus the 34K+ of before the update and the 28 (😳😡), with moments of thermal throttling (I’ve an Artic Liquid Freezer III 360 AIO!) of the new microcode with intel default settings (shameful)… I’m pretty sure that if something happens, and you reveal that config, Intel will refuse the RMA telling that you didn’t followed their baselines, but selling a CPU that, 3 month later, would have is performance shortened by 17% in order to work safety, without refundimg me (at least) the 17% of what I’ve paid (worthless because I would have just not bought that CPU, but let’s just say that for the sake of the argument) it’s a damn SCAM.
I think I’ll build a new platform with a 7950X3D, and see how it goes…
@@H33t3Speaks anyway there is an option in the bios (ASUS) that allows you to choose from the lastest and the 0x104 microcode version.
The version Mike downloaded was 1662, dated 2024/08/09, marked "Beta Version". ASUS updated this 5 days later, to version 1663, dated 2024/08/14, which was NOT marked as Beta. Clearly, Mike's version was found to be problematic, as it was quickly updated, tested, and released, within a very few days. It suggests that BIOS updates should be left alone for a couple of weeks, to ensure you don't make matters worse, and to allow time for glitches to be discovered and fixed.
i will need to revisit the bios update, i ended up reverting to the old version
Ive got an i7 13700kf and didn't have any problem's now after the bios update there is a slight performance downgrade but it's from lowering the cpu voltage and intel safe setting's so i mean nothing realy changed for my but ive got worse scores in geekbench that's it.I can say that we have the same issue if intel doesn't fix that i think i will switch to amd.
Asus Z790 ProArt here 14700k. Updated to 129, zero issues and even continued with some modest overclocking.
Also Ive used Asus ROG Z790A with i9 14900KS.. should i update the BIOS?
Ive used i9 14900KS for 2 weeks and thats true about the issue.. Crash when iam rendering image in 3Dsmax and Corona Render, BSOD after i give him full load task like rendering in 3D, or i cannot open software like Unreal Engine 5 and D5 Render.. it says error at Unreal and Force close at D5 Render.. i don't know what's wrong but i waited for the Intel driver update so i could running some games and work with this CPU.. My SPECS is i9 14900KS, ROG Z790A, i-game RTX 4080 Super, 64Gigs RAM and running at windows 11 pro.. but still randomly crashes, Ive try different RAM, SSD and downgrade to Windows 10 but still no fix on there.. Ive buy the real license with Corona and D5 and still crashes randomly when i give him full load task.. i don't know if Intel have this issue before.. come on Intel pleaseeee help me fix the problem !!!
I’m on Asus Z790 + 14700 K, undervolted by -0,052 V and limited to 253W still day one:
Zero issue before the update, lost 7% of performance in Cinebench after (if using same values)… still have to try with default settings… 🙄
I guess Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers used a 13th gen pc since his chrome kept crashing during livestreams with DrunkC3P0!
yeah my chrome was really bad after the update, i had to roll bock
With 15000 less employees that should get sorted next year 😂
Yeah I know what you mean there
13700k on a b660 asus plus mobo current bios is from 2022, max voltage at 1.47v, been running almost 2 years no issues, not updating my bios to make my cpus perfomance worse and disable multicore enhancement fuck thattttttttt
i don't blame you
G'day Mike,
Thanks for the update on your experience with your system including performance changes, it is helpful for understanding what the update has done & how it may help some people affected, Personally I really don't think this is any closer to being resolved for many owners just yet as like the ASUS Beta BIOS instruction wording there is just so much confusion of "What should I do" causing stress for so many people.
I think due to the way intel has handled this people like you who didn't seem to have a problem are in a "Schrödinger's CPU" "Am I safe, Am I affected, 🤷♂???" situation, add to that the many RMA Declined Issues being reported for those already with dead CPUs making people (Especially Pre-Built Owners) not currently affected scared if they don't do the BIOS Update Immediately they may be rejected too if their CPU fails soon, but also scared updating the BIOS may cause performance issues that they are not educated enough to fix.
Yeah it is an awkward situation and I am rather uncomfortable about where it has left me at the moment with an unstable system that was on the whole pretty much perfect before the update
@@mikesunboxing … have you considered rolling back to the previous BIOS which you found stable?
G'day @@kendalley2314 it's in the ASUS info & Mike also mentioned that the intel ME Code can't be rolled back though, so while he can rollback the BIOS any underlying ME Code changes can't be so it won't really be "the same" as before.
@@mikesunboxing A Really Silly Village Idiot sort of Question; If you take your system, Replaced the CPU for a AMD AM5 7/9 and equivalent Motherboard would it be a different and better story ? - reliability, trust of the CPU & Mobo brand = Happy PC User and not p^%^^% off with System instability issues with these Cooking 13th - 14th GEN CPU's.
@@shaneeslick … you can see that the ME version is the same for both BIOS 2402 and 2503 if you check out the ASUS website … yet 2402 has Intel microcode 0x125 and 2503 has Intel microcode 0x129 which I find strange … I assumed therefore that it may have been the BIOS change which led to the instability found by Mike after the BIOS update from 2402 to 2503.
Intel: let's overclock the sh!t out of the CPU, over voltage all our processors to beat AMD. Whoops, now we got damaged silicon. We have to lay off 20,000 employees. That's what you get when bean counters run company. Intel! Look what happened to Boeing. That's coming for you next.
Nice video. Thank you. It looks like your white balance might be set to automatic? Your rig in back going through the rainbow colors, appears to change the chroma of the entire screen. Even your white sign, Mike's unboxing sign appears to shift colors.
yes you are right, the camera was set to AWB, well spotted
Interesting update imo, two observations though. On the website the last three bios updates state the same msg that Intel ME version is identical and non removable! So if previously msg at latest bios then Intel ME has not changed. Also the best results appear to be with Asus settings, is there any worries that it exceeds limits Intel would rather impose to reduce risk of degredation? Thanks for sharing Mike and Kath as always 🐈👍
Good point, this is not going to be totally fixed and stable for a while i fear
ASUS Prime Z690-A with a 14600k and had the world of issues prior to bios updates. Just updated and seems to be fine now…
Glad to hear that you’re sorted
Timespy caused my VID to shoot beyond 1.55 essentially proving the BIOS update ineffective, same board as yours, and regretting running the Beta
Just go back to Asus optimization and set the value you want manually. Try to lock the VID to 1.4v - 1.45v and check if the computer is stable.
From my experience, the new beta bios only alter the standard profile, but is identical to the old ones in every other feature.
As a Beta Bios, it is "Beta" only about the novelties.
I switched back to the Asus Optimization due to issues with temperature in the processor.
I don't think my CPU will last longer if the Temp is always hitting 100C° and thermal throttling.
On Asus Optimization and some tweaking, I'm back to 80-85C° max as before the Update.
Yeah it is weird behaviour and I am seeing chrome doing the same thing as well. No doubt others will be doing it as well
Never use betas period, always wait for the next which should be mid August.
Also idk why gamer nexus and others made such a big deal about this when the 14900k is marketed as an enthusiast cpu. All the server devs needed to do was undervolt also. I don't get how this is new news? Amd def had there hand in the cookie jar on this one with them devs. Just so happened to do this in the public eye when they switch to mainly amd and right before an amd launch? Which has also been crap so far. Lol
Gamers Nexus likes to think they're "journalists" when they're more like a 12 year old in the 1980's who got a tape recorder for their birthday.
Your CPU was probably already degraded. It didn't break it... It just showed the damage that was already done.
I reverted the bios and it is now perfectly stable again and no crashes and lower temps
As a salty owner of Lenovo legion y520 laptop i understand your pain(bought it cuz neded rx560 4 gb ram. Good for my job, pain in the lower a to use)
I'm running an Asus z790 Dark Hero w/14900K, no issues with the new, or old microcode. Marginal performance hits in certain scenarios, a couple of more notably severe instances. Seems to leave P-cores alone, tinkers some with E-cores. Why didn't you select CAP file?
The cap file is for usb flashback use
This might be a out of topic question.But which mobo company do you prefer in terms of hardware,software and reliability?
(I dont live in USA though)
For me msi are the first choice then ASUS and asrock then gigabyte and biostar
@@mikesunboxing can you help me find the perfect motherboard for my build?
Here are the details:
Cpu:Ryzen 7700
Motherboard requirements:
-Should last at least 5 years or longer
-Must be a b650 mobo
-Software can range from medium to good
-Stable board
-No audio issues(alc 4080 codec)
Budget:200$ or less
Thanks for that. Did you notice any reduction in CPU temperature after the update?
No if anything it was a little higher than before, although it is noticeably warmer here the last few days
7:24 it is higher than his undervolt settings, meaning the microcode settings were not undervolt rather maintaining the old one or increase it.
If you actually took the time to read the informational pop up when choosing the Intel profile, rather than saying "blah blah" you might understand what the different profiles do. It has nothing to do with whether your CPU is a 'K' sku or not.
being that the profiles pop up only appears after the bios update, so i would need to be a time traveller. But thanks anyway
Wrong, it is displayed each and every time you select the profile.
My last bios update was when 14gen came out. 😂 all core 5,5ghz @1.35V Vcore
I applied my BIOS update for my i9-13900 (non K) using the B760M chipset with DDR4 memory running the microcode 0x129.
Then again I am a software developer so I hardly stress the machine since I don't game at all but run a lot of VM's.
No issues so far.
I upgraded from a i7-6700 (non K) and it was solid as a rock - it started getting slow for my programming tools so I would not have upgraded.
glad to hear your system is okay, i have just had to downgrade the BIOS to the older version just to be able to use chrome consistently without it crashing
@@mikesunboxing I think your CPU is already damaged and this microcode simply shows the symptom quicker.
Does you older BIOS contain the 0x125 update btw ???.
There are two related ones that they fixed
0x125 to fix the eTVB issue
0x129 to address elevated voltages
Note microcode contains previous fixes so you only need to apply the latest.
I have the ASUS TUF Z790 pro WIFI and i could not run the new BIOS. nothing but BSOD's. i could not even run the intel default settings, had to sync all cores and run it at 5ghz. got an RMA from intel yesterday so i hope that will be the fix for me or AMD ? LOL
Good luck with your rma
thank you for risking your own systems so we don't have to. always great videos. I have a Maximus Z790 hero BTF and used a new 14700K and manually changed my settings and my system is running better than my other 14700K on an ASUS Z790 dark hero and a 13700K on an ASUS Z790 hero and can not afford to risk my systems, the latter 2 have many instabilities, so once again thank you for this video
thanks, nice to get comments from people with a wider perspective and understand what is being done here
I dont trust Intel right now. Went with 7800x3d. Zero regrets so far but i only game so it was a no brainer really. Intel are throwing like 300w at stuff to keep up? no thanks I dont want melted chips. My 7800x3d sips up to 60w at full throttle. I cant hit 120w no matter what ive tried. BIG difference from how power hungry intel are.
I normaly dont update bios if everying is working and stable
And I always update. Public Service announcement-apparently Microsoft, sometime at the end of June (24) started to AUTOMATICALLY institue BitLocker on your drive when loading Windows OS to it, previously for it to be "ON" YOU had to be the one to put it on.
There's security vulnerabilities addressed in the new microcode revisions might wanna rethink that
@@FrequencyOfThought not talking about or interested in, the microcode revisions. BIOS updates in general. I don't get peoples adversity to doing them; they're put out there for a reason.
@FrequencyOfThought The chances of someone exploiting that vulnerability on my PC are about as likely as me meeting aliens. Fun fact: Every AMD chip since 2006 has a security vulnerability that AMD won't fix “Sinkclose” (CVE-2023-31315). It's like worrying about dying in a plane crash-statistically, the odds are extremely low."
@@Jamie71q I'm with ya.
It says for non k processors no? Is this the one for K's or is there another coming?
that is a very good question, hopefully it will be answered soon
The Cat Lady below is correct; ASUS is w/o fault. Sweetheart, is CH still stuck in AZ or did he finally make his big move back to Mo-Town he talked ad nauseum about?
mine as well...i have to go back to the 1661, i never seen so much mess up between 2 companies, even asus call asus indirectly oblivious, ye something is not right between these "enterprises"
intel microcode killed my hamster!
lol 😂 good one
I have Asus Z790-E and have it on Bios 2402. There is a new one called 2503. This new one was beta few days ago and now it does not say beta anymore. The score in that app called cinebench is 35561. I did drop some voltage on the CPU. It's now 300 from what it use to be 400. Was running very hoot but now it never goes above 80 c. I have the 13900k with 64gb. For some reason this damn Xmp never works on my pc. It always crashes the pc. The ram runs at 4000hz but I think I have ram 6400mhz.
I reverted to bios 1641 on this same motherboard, and so far it seems all is well.
I might try and do that toss if things don’t improve
@@mikesunboxing Thanks for these videos Mike - Intel really has delivered a dog's dinner of f%^%^%^ on these 13th & 14th Gen Chips, not looking forward in building my 14th Gen PC - starting in few weeks time and wished I went down the AMD Route. Intel Certainly shot themselves in the foot and driving their customers (even with their 15th Gen / New Gen CPU's) from this tarnish brand over to AMD.
congratulations. You just went back to the old bugged microcode that will slowly degrade your PC with undetectable voltage spikes. This is why we dont listen to TH-camrs who cant comprehend what the actual issues are.
@@spaghett420 Are you talking about the 1641 bios? Cause if so, I definitely find it completely stable at stock, with no temp issues.
its asus -what do you expect... I got asus to and ill never do a bios update since Asus cant provide a program that checks the motehrboard if its ok unlike mine witht he usb corrupting everything usbstick inserted like windows install usb- yes it managed to kill that even - So if did a bios upgrade- would it notify me -I cant do that -No it would contone until its bricked -guess asus dont use brains or other producers either
Still looking for the spot where it supposedly broke your computer. Ah well, you got me to look--or you just got me. There is a new update now as of 8/15/24 that is not beta. Frankly I didn't notice much of a difference in the temps on my 13700K, but I guess I'm "safe" now.
i elobarated on this in the live stream, the pc was really unstable and chrome constantly crashes and 3d mark would not run, that to me is a broken pc, sorry i didn't go into as much detail as i did in the live
Updated to the beta BIOS on my Asus TUF Z790 gaming and seems to be working fine, the only problem I had was with my memory. Older BIOS gave memory errors with XMP1 but went away with XMP2. However, BIOS 1661 I could run XMP 1 and got no errors under memtest86. Updating to the beta 1662 BIOS I got errors again under XMP1 and had to go back to using XMP2. Other than that system has been stable 24/7 on my i7 13700k.
Almost always the rule of thumb for any update is DO YOU NEED IT. If your system is working flawless, why would you risk that. I undervolt bc I like the lower temps and better performance, but unless theres something absolutely required beyond what your PC is already doing you should only update when absolutely needed. And to still use Asus in 2024 means you been asleep in all of 2023.
I also use ASUS Z790. What do you mean by ASUS optimized undervolt? Never saw anything like that and really wonder.
It is the ASUS optimised default with my own small undervolt applied
@@mikesunboxing ah thanks somehow thought that already. Information for all, my ASUS Z790i+14900k is totally unstable after upgrading to the new and even after downgrading to the older BIOS... thanks Intel / ASUS
Hey Mike was wondering if you under volt your CPUs on install or not, it's a practice of mine for many years and have never had a failure. I'm thinking of grabbing a 14900K once they plummet in price and doing my usual undervolting thing, whaddya' think?
Dude, are you seriously looking for someone to endorse you buying a 13th or 14th Gen?1?
Yeah with the temps and power usage on these modern CPU’s an undervolt is a good idea I think personally
@@PapaMav Why not buy an Intel CPU?
@@Bobo-ey8fc have you been living in a media blackout or under a rock? Probs my dude with 13th and 14th Gen.
The BIOS update is now out of beta, but it's exactly the same as the beta.
cheers, i figured it would be, i rolled back to the older one, the new one was way too unstable
@@mikesunboxing OK, I guess I stay on the old one for now. Thanks.
I don't see anything broke. Are you kidding us ?? (and i was ready to subscribe... :( ... wth ? )
if you cant work out that a pc that is unstable and crashing is broken i can't really help you, what were you expecting magic smoke and flames?
@@mikesunboxing At no point in your video your system looks "broken"... Any inconveniences might be due to several reasons (especially after a new default beta bios) and you should recheck bios/ram and gpu settings. Remember, cpu manufactures give the patch and then motherboard makers build a bios around it, in which they include their own separate fixes (trying to help in their part). Any crushes occured in timespy might be in intel's or asus' part of the bios - but you judged, it was due to microcode. Anyway your system does not look broken and crashes like these always happen, when we try to find the sweet spot of our settings.
I can't understood why you all get so fast. The Update as it says is BETA, it's expected to have a lot more problems than Stable version. You all rush and get screwed. You see all the things Intel make last few month's about this problems, and still rush to install BETA Bios Update.....
for me as someone that is doing tech reviews on TH-cam, it is in my interest to try these so i can report back to the viewers with my findings so other might enjoy any improvements or serve as fair warning of troubles ahead.
hopefully anyone considering this update can watch the video and use my experience to make up their own mind if it is something they want to do
@@mikesunboxing Ye for you i understood. And it's necessery evil to take the risks. I wonder for other people, why they rushing. Before see reviews like you make and other youtubers.
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13700k fully stock and Asus rog strix z690 F motherboard I can still play without problems mw3, counter strike, helldivers 2, forza horizon 5 etc, no stability problem for now, everything runs smoothly and with good temps, the BETA version is out for my motherboard but I think I'm going to wait for the official version, I hope I don't have any problems.
I think for those with a currently stable platform and reasonable temps, it is probably a good idea to hold off any bios updates for a while
If you want your computer to be a ticking time bomb please do not update to the latest microcode. 0x129 fixes an undetectable voltage spike bug in the algorithm. Anybody who doesnt apply the new update deserves what they get in due time.
Had the same problem with the same Motherboard but with Intel 12th Gen!
sorry to hear that
i thought 12th gen didn't have this stability issues?
It actually killed mine. I just flashed my aorus master z790 and now I get a post code error 69 and it shuts down. It won't boot at all. So, either it killed my motherboard or my 13900k was about to die and the update broke it.
Damn so sorry to hear that mate
Updated BIOS on an ROG Maximus Z790 Hero to version 2503 a couple days ago, started from 0307 (original). Flashed from USB in the BIOS. Process succeeded, however, Hyper M.2 NVMe is now recognized but can no longer be read, showing as 0GB. Tried various CSM and drive settings, updating NVMe drive firmware, physically reseating, rolling back to 1904 (earliest 2024 version), none of these worked. Please provide advice if possible.
i have no idea what has happen there sorry, very strange behaviour
@@mikesunboxing Thank you for replying, it is indeed strange. Never seen this happen to an NVMe drive before. Your experience showed me that a myriad of new problems are happening after installing this latest microcode update. Probably going to have it diagnosed at Microcenter (in the US).
Hi, very good video. I have an i71400k and I don't understand much about the microprocessor voltage, and the update says it's not for my microprocessor. Could you make a video on how to lower the microprocessor voltages? I also don't understand how to detect if my microprocessor is failing. Greetings from Argentina
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My Intel microcode update invaded Russia... Should I be worried? :o
Nah it’ll be fine
0x129 for 13-14 Gen and 0x35 for 12 Gen.
thanks for that
When updating the BIOS what gets reset, only the AI Tweaker settings (on my Hero BIOS it's called Extreme Tweaker)
or does literally everything get reset like under Main, Avanced, Monitor and Boot?
it changes from time to time, sometimes nothing changes sometimes it does. there are no hard set rules i am sorry to say
@@mikesunboxing Thanks! So when I update my ASUS Z790 Hero BIOS from 0813 (Feb 2023) to the latest 2503, it's likely that everything will get reset. I only know about some things under the Extreme Tweaker menu, and I have no idea what the shop that built my system did with the other menu items. My system has been running without any problems (for now), so is it even worth it to let the shop update my BIOS?
Thanks for this nicely done video. :)
Glad you liked it!
I've been with 14700k idle temp around 37c and during gaming around 70 degree and I don't plan to disturb tbe balance in my current system....LOL😅😅😅
yeah that sounds ideal at the moment
Sticking with my Pentium III and Windows 95.
Stuff 'em.
best windows setup ever! golden times
@@mikesunboxing Ah. Life was so much easier 🤣🤣🤣
Sad, very sad.
Just set IA VR
Limit to 1.35v and you're safe
Please let your charts start at 0 inthe future, otherwise they could be interpreted in a misleading way as relative differences are visually misrepresented.
if it was set at zero it would show very little difference as the score are in 30,000 - 40,000 range. But as we all know in the PC and tech space a small difference can mean a lot
@@mikesunboxing I understand and you are correct that it would "show" less difference but that is the point I want to make, as the differences are only that small (2-5% range in from your data) and hence it would represent your data better in my opinion and also be more coherent, as for some graphs you are letting them start at 0, even though the difference is in the same 2-5% range. I myself have run into the same mistake before and was called out by my Professors xD If it is not too much effort you could for example start adding the percentual difference to the end of the graph and let them start at 0 in your future tests or just say them when you show the graph.
Thanks again for the informative video and for putting in the effort to retrieve this data, highly appreciated👍
Very broke....😂 What a load of BS!!
It got to the point chrome would crash frequently and black screens, to me that is broken
How does an undervolt stop erroneously high microcode VID requests, done as the CPU idles to avoid a V drop under anticipated load?
You need to set an absolute max V limit like Intel (1.55V or lower like Buildzoid 1.4V shows) does in their defaults which are included the microcode update.
I presume lowering the actual vrm voltage with an offset do the same thing as it prevents the erroneous requests being used
@@mikesunboxing but there's buggy requests, they're close to 1.6V and frequent and the value depends on the AC/DC load line settings which have been incorrect.
As Intel have per core V/frequency tables with values determined during validation testing, I suspect viable undervolts are more like 20mV not 200mV and only the i9 needs >1.5V to reach the highest frequency.
Besides degradation has been reported in laptops and on server boards set for power efficiency and stability not performance.
So the evidence is software was triggering the V spike from faulty microcode and Intel's lack of QA and curiosity about failing CPUs despite replacing some data center ones en masse has hidden the uncaught problem that Buildzoid's video demonstrated.
Well happy to say not my Probolem this time Mike as Not MSI Board bullet Doged, on this problem
24k....... why bother getting a 13900 to run it like a potato.... the 13900 is capable of 32-34k even on the new update with an under volt to keep its from requesting too much voltage
i think you are looking at the CPUZ results, the cinebench was around 32 at the worst and about 38 39 at best
@@mikesunboxing Neither I was looking at timespy, but I guess the GPU could impact that result
Either way its not looking good for intel right now is it, didn't something similar happen back in the 90s like this, and they end up refunding or replacing, but it took a lawsuit to go through.
the latest update increased my cpu temps
same here
For me the "old" bios work better ( PRIME Z790-P WIFI BIOS 1661 ), I do not know if is because the new bios is only for non K CPU's or because is in beta or Asus just mess up the update.
I have tested with several APP's, and have the WHinfo and the CPUZ all say the same, with the old bios (1661) the max VID request was 1.490v, on load was 1.445V, the actual voltage on core was 1.167V TO 1.175V on load, on idle is 1.247V, I have it manual set to 1.250V and all the AMP's and wats are also manual set in the Intel specs, (oh, the default auto on this version is 1.4V), also pull 179W to 182W with my manual settings.
Now with the new bios (1662) for starters the default is 1.450V, all the AMP's and wats stay the same (intel specs), -- the CPU request 1.55V and gets 1.45V, temps go way high, clock drops to 5.1Ghz on auto and setting the cores to 5.3Ghz does nothing (actually drops to 4.3Ghz) -- if I set the same values of voltage like I was using on the old version it post, but the request go higher (1.6V), it stays at the voltage I set (1.265V) but the core goes to 3.8Ghz (lower over the E cores), the E cores never drops (stay at 4.2Ghz), it pull 162W.
Also on the new bios the temps go above 90C, on the old version it go to 72C (on higher clock), try to force on the new bios to reach the clocks and performance I had on the old bios and do not work, or drops the clock to low or hits above 90 in secs.
I sort I will keep the old bios for now, looks like is really in beta or is not for K SKU's.
PS, ( PRIME Z790-P WIFI ), ( 13700KF ) , ( DDR5 6400 ).
Thanks for the info
@@mikesunboxing I think I found the why of the strange voltages / clock.
Something on the firmware detects the requests and the max vid set, if is lower over the requests the CPU drops the clock and ask more Voltage ( no matter how hot it is ).
In my case I'm not using offset rather static voltage, and with the new bios if the request is higher over the static voltage the clock will lower (a lot).
Other settings I'm using is the uncore (ring) at 1.220V (static), also OC pull at the same voltage as the main vid (1.250V).
If you go to the VRM settings and set the max there the core drops to 3.2Ghz if the vid is set static and 1.25V or 1.3V to be inside the P1 and P2.
That's why if you check on the WHinfo the cores and uncore (VR max Voltage P4) is yes all the time on load
well ..................... i notice the microcode put my 13600K on 5.5 ghz all cores and 4.3 all e cores as default witch is the config of intel speed optimazer ok ok is not a complain but come on wasnt the idea of the bloody microcode
I'm waiting for it to come out of "beta". regardless of the chance for my processor to crash/break
i reverted back to the old bios it was way too unstable
@@mikesunboxing the latest non-beta on my MSI board is working ok ish, less crashing on games. System is more stable though.
Be careful it's beta stuff
yes very true
Oh, btw, I didn’t press F5 but it reset to default settings anyway, it even reset the fan curves. 😡
Yeah that is a thing that annoys me about these things the instructions and prompts rarely seem to be either clear or accurate
@@mikesunboxing so first thing after the update we see is a message ‘neither clear or accurate’: it perfectly fits Intel general situation, I guess…😅😓
Anyway it seems that turning intel default settings off the fix doesn’t work anymore (at least on Gigabyte boards)…
good to know (or NOT good, I should say) but that doesn’t explain why to reset fans curve or led behaviour or usb settings too…😡🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Yep nothnx my PC is fine last year no issues
12 gen i9 still a beast
oh my god what is wrong withthe pc industry...
Aerobrake IMO It's not the PC Industry, it's the end users and the endless drive for 3 to 5 % more numbers that mean nothing but to be able to Look at my score. The vast PC community could careless if someone "Hit" a higher score, The days of having a good over all PC that works fine as is have been over taken with meaningless number for bragging rights. So the industry is driven to crank out more and more and faster and faster products at a higher coast. Just like this RGB trash, at the end of the line it now coast far more for some light show that only the end user will ever see at a much higher price in stead of a overall good running PC.
Profits
oh dear..>>> AMD fanboy here
i switched from AMD to Intel and publicly slated the entire AM5 platform and still do, so clearly you are new here
@@mikesunboxing Apologies Mike,,im the AMD fanboy, not you. Perhaps my delivery was not the best.:)
@@simplysimon966 no worries 😉 I like to be brutally honest and if any product or service has an issue I won’t hold back regardless of how polarising the opinion might be
Sir, I have purchased Intel 13900ks Processor but I don't build a pc yet. What can I do now
if you haven't built a PC there is nothing to worry about. See what the deal is when you start to build it
Is this bios microcode update required for 13600kf i5 processor?
i believe so but not quite as necessary as the top end CPUs
@@mikesunboxing So I should do the update too, right?
Mike, you don't seem to have paid mind to my waring about the BitLocker Notice that posted in your the comments of your Live Video (about no one buying the rig until you put AMD) in it....I also, did not, have not, used BitLocker and you know from my messages happened to me when ignoring that and just checking YES. Queries: 1) Is Windows the OS on this rig you are featuring in this video? 2) If so, when did you load it on to your Boot Drive?
It is windows 11 and it was freshly installed around this May so only a few months old at this point. No encryption or BL encryption
@@mikesunboxing Right. So you did not fall into the pickle I did for the reason you performed the installation before Microsoft changed to automatically activating BitLocker on drives, toward the end of this June. It may help people if you made that a public service announcement so they are aware to check and suspend BitLocker before proceeding with a BIOS update, if they built their rig from the end of June to present.
It bricked my Asus Prime Z990-P with Wifi
Damn sorry to hear that, can you recover it with a usb flashback!
My Asus B960 Gaming bricked too...
@@mikesunboxing no sir it would not work. I had to purchase a new board.
"Beta version"? Meaning there is a good chance it will f something up.
That seems to be pretty much the case here
bs header gets you thumb down
i guess you missed the point here, sorry about that
@Mike's unboxing, reviews and how to
so how dit it "break" your pc?!?!?
exactly it apparently didn´t pls stop fucking stupid headlines that are bullshit.
wasted 15mins just to debunk the headline.
It introduced instability and crashing which makes the pc unusable for work, it isn’t hard to work that out is it?
I really like your videos Mike, but the title of this one is completely erroneous and seems like click bait (I would have watched it regardless of the title, BTW). You said yourself that the PC still ran fine and simply lost a little performance with certain settings. Please explain how the BIOS "BROKE" your PC? You're better than this, mate.
Sorry you didn't get the gist of the video, the default base level update made the PC crash in timespy and others (i could have elaborated on this maybe but thought most people would see where it was going ) and also after the video with more testing the system become unstable regardless of the settings choosen in the bios, in the end on Monday after wrestling with BSOD and chrome crashing constantly i reverted back to the previous bios and settings, and now my pc is useable again.
To summerize the BIOS update broke my PC to a point i couldn't use it. The title and thumbnail are totally justified.
Are you sure it is Intel and not ASUS? Since ASUS is ALWAYS without fault....! Actually HW Overclocking managed to install the latest UEFI on his Gigabyte Aorus Master Board F14f just fine and it seems to run perfectly. So it might NOT be the fault of Intel (as much as I do not like them), it might be ASUS.
I’ve got a few z790 boards at my disposal, 2 of them are asus boards and both of them are very unstable with my 14900k. My gigabyte z790 elite ax ice is more stable by a mile. It’s not perfect but that’s also because I ran that cpu originally on an asus board and used all stock intel defaults with no mce and I know that chip still got degraded. Lately I’ve been running my memory at a much lower frequency than xmp, I’ve also gone from 48gb back to 32gb and I can at least game without constant crashes on my gigabyte board however it refuses to play nice on any of my asus boards even running ddr 6000 cl30 or 5600.
@@cppctek is your RAM in the list of supported by the motherboard? I'll look into those first.
It could be any one of many factors
TF? The title says the BIOS update broke your computer. In the video you say it's great.
You didn’t listen carefully or misunderstood what I was saying the update is awful in its default state and even after my tweaks it later displayed more instability so I would strongly advise against it
@@mikesunboxing So, I should NOT update my BIOS? I've been lucky. My i9 has been rock solid. Some people are saying the update is awesome. Others are saying it fixes nothing or actual causes stable systems to become unstable.
Hey Mike, how come you're using xmp2 instead of xmp1?
With certain RAM it isn't stable under XMP 1. I had to do the same with my motherboard, XMP 1 gave all sorts of memory errors, but XMP 2 it is rock solid.
Xmp 2 forces the system to read the more detailed xmp info from the ram rather than just guessing the timings so should in theory make the system more stable
It looks like you got lucky with a good chip. Evidence is that the damage occurs from too much voltage for Single and Dual Core Boost. I strongly recommend that you revert to the original microcode, and then Synch all cores. You've got a really nice under-volt (you have a good sample). Disable Single Core and your CPU should last forever. Single Core often draws 1.44-1.6v
yeah i did go back to the previous bios and settings and it is working perfectly again