You can't help take to Geoff. He reminds me of my old neighbour of mine in a commercial unit I used to rent. Highly skilled, slightly curmudgeonly and a real pleasure to watch in operation.
Wow, this is one of the most impressive thing's I've seen regarding an old world skill like Geoff Moss possesses, I suppose there were a lot of people with skills like this once back in the past and it was quite a common thing but these days it's like watching magic taking place before my very eyes, many thanks to you Dominic for doing what you are doing with these English Wheel machines and for bringing us this example of what they can do and thanks to Geoff for showing us how it's done, can we see a lot more of this type of thing please..
Lovely work. Did a bit of English Wheel work in my youth but with sheet steel rather than aluminum. Love to see a closer view of Geoff welding the panels together. Panel welding aluminum with gas is truly alchemy!
Geoff is amazing at what he does, I've seen video's where it is described what he does by bringing the panels together with gas and planishing hammers with no filler rod that creates too stiff a joint, this man is probably the best in the world at what he does.
@@regfenster yes that's how you do steel sheet. Tack and relieve then hammer till the edges join then weld and relieve inch by inch but steel flows so it's easy (relatively speaking) to get a good seam with no added metal but how you do it with ally which doesn't flow is beyond me. Love to see it done
It’s amazing to watch a craftsman make a difficult job look so bloody easy. Those E type panels are works of art and your 356 bonnet will be as well. Sorry the video ended…
Don’t you just love watching a craftsman at work, my fellow aircraft working were brilliant at this making skins for aircraft, taught me some enough to make my own wheeling M/C for my workshop and made many panels for cars including the roof on my 1934 SS2 😀
I worked at British Aerospace in the 70s and watched craftsman make aircraft parts on English wheels it was fascinating then. But isn't it so sad that this craft has been left to die out in the UK. Those men passed their skills on to apprentices but where are these men now. Thanks to you Dom and Geoff this skill will not die out completely. 👍👍👍👍
I remember it well, in the early 70’s walking through British Aerospace Strand Road factory watching these ‘old men’ hammering and wheeling was an eye opener even for a 25 year old ex RAF aeronautical engineering apprentice. Now all gone!
Dominic, working a wheeling machine with the worlds best Geoff Moss must have been something special, his Lotus 11 bodies are truly magnificent works of craftsmanship. Watching Geoff use the tree stump and wooden mallet that is a skill that goes all they way back to making knights armour 500 years ago if not further back into time, just amazing.
Geoff is really a master but also has many years experience. But you can learn this stuff, even as an amateur. It just takes a bit of practice and understanding of what you are doing and what is happening with the metal. You don't need to make hundreds of cars to get good enough but of course the more the do the better you get. And like all skills some people have more inate ability at certain things I was lucky to have a great mentor who helped me. He also taught how to gas weld aluminium. But we used filler rod cut from the same metal we were welding. But seeing it done without filler was very impressive. I can only just achieve that with steel (most of the time) and aluminium is much harder to weld. One trick that helped me was the right aluminium flux and then blue tinted goggles. The blue cuts out the orange from the flame/flux and you can see what you are doing. It's great you're trying to get everything perfect but you don't need perfect to get usable results. You can start with a cheap wheel and start learning this stuff. Nice tools help and made the work more enjoyable but they aren't always necessary. The surface finish on the high end wheels is very nice but unless you're going for a polished metal finish you're going to have to sand it back for painting as you mentioned. Even my cheap, crappy wheel gets aluminium pretty shiny. Excellent stuff, looking forward to the next installment!
@@DominicChineas I'd love one of your machines of course. Yours are top end stuff. Anyone who does any wheeling always keeps a quiet eye out for a 'proper' old one to come up for sale cheap locally. It's one of those dream barn finds of old tools. But you don't need a fancy one to get started, a cheapie will do. I think as you saw with Geoff it's a tool you have to learn to use and get a feel of your particular one. He was able to comment on how the anvils felt different even. When yours are dialed in it would be interesting to see how Geoff feels about the finished machine compared to the one he uses. With your attention to detail they should be identical so it would probably take someone with his experience to tell if they feel the same.
I really enjoyed watching this video showing Geoff in action. Geoff has thought me how to use the wheel a couple of years ago, absorbed what he told me and explained which gave me a great new world of skills. Looking forward to the next episode. And great to see you have him at the center stage! He deserves it, he is a true craftsman. Period.
I think it's great that you're fixing up this Porsche I don't know if you heard about the tool it's called A induction tool it's electric you put coils in the front of it they lock in and it heats up nuts-and-bolts without flame something you should check out it'll make your job a lot easier removing the rusty nuts and bolts
I was mudlarking at my parents. They had a farm and one field was prone to flooding so a heap (of rubbish) had been made way back in 1700 and something for the cattle to stand on when the field flooded. I found a beautiful glass jar, engraved with the business name. It was from 1800. The best part….I was working at that business some 200 years later. I very carefully placed it on the floor. Then dropped my second glass bottle right on top of my best find! Broke both bottles and my jar. I was genuinely gutted. I found earthenware honey pots, lung tonic, beer bottles etc. But my treasure I destroyed.😢
Totally drawn in on the contents of this video. I can sit for hours… but I can’t otherwise I wouldn’t get anything done! Brilliant Dominic, brilliant 👍🏻
Coming from civil engineering structures, lathes, mills, engines etc the whole bodywork thing is to me Witchcraft. Compound curves and shapes like that are beyond me. Hats of to Geoff and you for attempting such complex work. My rally car used to need body panels and I could never have made anything like that. Its lovely to watch and lesrn.
You will have to keep going back and forth to Geoff's until the wheels are perfected, and you have a complete aluminum body for the Porsche, what a cunning plan.
For Transporting "Delicates": Most car seat belts have a ratcheting feature when you fully extend the belt which doesn't release until the belt is reeled back in a certain amount. Place the delicate item into a bigger box and then use the seat belt to wrap around and ratchet it into place. Once you arrive remove the precious cargo from your cardboard box which you can collapse if needed to allow the belt to reel back in. Quite useful for bigger/top-heavy/awkward items to keep them from flying about.
I love to watch metal shaping masters at work. I will never, ever get to do this but this is ART! Thank you for the many years of skill you have in mastering the English wheel and for the craftsmen coach builders of old, whom fabricated the "jennies" to bead and shape the edges. How they can pick out the track etc. and just know how to adjust the wheels, tales years of skill! I am well into my 70's and love seeing this. Deeply envious of the ability and love of their craft!
It's so impressive to watch a flat sheet of metal into such a perfectly curved item. Such a skilled man with a good eye and years of experience. Shame about the wheels though, a lot of time and effort went into them. C'est la vie. Have a good weekend Dom
The thing that occurred to me was without any metal in the workshop the average person would have no idea what this business did! The Ranula has me hooked. Great vid again Dom 👍
It’s interesting to learn how precise the wheels need to be for good results. Having top notch wheels will help justify what I am sure will be a pricey Ranalah.
Yeah, nice one, Dom.! I spoke to Geoff last week and he said he enjoyed having you down . I’m guessing you’ll be wrapping the next set of wheels in a duvet next time?!😉
Dominic great video ! Listening to Geoff advise is the best thing you could have done , Geoff is one of a few craftsman's left , if not the best ! He really knows his trade . Cheers from Australia .
Fanbloodytastic a genius at work ,I hope this gentleman is training young folks to continue his skill Folks don’t put stuff on seats in front or back it’s a missile in a crash seen it with devastating results Dom great video looking forward to more thanks stay safe 👍👨🏻🏭
Fantastic video! I've been waiting for good ranalah content. Just floored by watching Geoff do his thing. It's so refreshing to watch the traditional methods and the unmistakable level of quality.
Absolutely fascinating to watch Dom! What a craftsman - can’t wait to see the rest of the process and then seeing how it fits on the 356. The E Type bonnet in Geoff’s workshop was a true piece of art. In an earlier life I ran an E Type and Porsche 911 restoration workshop, but we bought all our new panels in and in most cases restored existing panels where possible. Thanks for this.
Bloody hell, that was an awesome episode, just brilliant . Some wonderful skills on show, really excited to see him weld both parts of the bonnet together. Thanks Dom
As it turns out, I was driving the Ford Focus that pulled out and you should see the mess in my footwell! McDonalds shake and fries absolutely everywhere... OK, so it wasn't really me. ;-) Wonderful vid and thank you for the effort in making it. How fabulous to see these skills still alive today. Cheers from Sydney - Dave
Great content Dom and great to see Geoff in action - a true craftsman! Never thought there was so much science in the wheel profile but great that you are capturing knowledge from the master. Your Ranalah wheels will be the benchmark.
Good to see you enjoying your learning experience with Geoff, and learning your wheels. (Literally on a learning CURVE). They definitely need a cradle in a box to keep/transport them. Then to be able to kick-back and relax in such a beautiful setting. I'm sure that we're all enjoying your learning experience vicariously too.
Hey Dom, Geoff Moss is the master alright. You probably have already, but check out Wray Schelin Proshaper workshop channel. He has some great ideas for metal shaping, particularly what he calls the "flexible shape pattern" Nat at Retropower Cars has adopted this so it must be good. Those guys carry out probably the best restorations and resto-mods in the country. Well worth a look at their channel. Really look forward to episode 2. Finally, never cease to be amazed by some of the inane TH-cam comments.
find either a machinist or a set of precision ground flat stones, those tings will take the high points off the ding and preserve the finish. works like a charm, you wont have to discard that wheel. a shop with a centerless cnc grinder should be able to give you whatever profile you desire every time.
Total man-crush on Geoff
what a privilege it is to see a master at work. Thanks Dom!
Your so welcome!
It still doesn't compute in my head how Geoff does it, those Jaguar parts were amazing. It's so important to keep these skills alive.
You can't help take to Geoff. He reminds me of my old neighbour of mine in a commercial unit I used to rent. Highly skilled, slightly curmudgeonly and a real pleasure to watch in operation.
The quiet of the workshop while working metal with these tools is just so lovely.
Wow, this is one of the most impressive thing's I've seen regarding an old world skill like Geoff Moss possesses, I suppose there were a lot of people with skills like this once back in the past and it was quite a common thing but these days it's like watching magic taking place before my very eyes, many thanks to you Dominic for doing what you are doing with these English Wheel machines and for bringing us this example of what they can do and thanks to Geoff for showing us how it's done, can we see a lot more of this type of thing please..
Man the skill he has is amazing, he just can see the shape in a flat sheet
This takes me back 50 years to when I was 18 learning this at the BSA. Great days👍
Geoff is a true artist, you are lucky to know him and to spend time with him!
Sweet to see your wheels in action.Shame about that ding. Lesson: always put delicate stuff on the floor. They can't fall off.
Lovely work. Did a bit of English Wheel work in my youth but with sheet steel rather than aluminum. Love to see a closer view of Geoff welding the panels together. Panel welding aluminum with gas is truly alchemy!
Geoff is amazing at what he does, I've seen video's where it is described what he does by bringing the panels together with gas and planishing hammers with no filler rod that creates too stiff a joint, this man is probably the best in the world at what he does.
@@regfenster yes that's how you do steel sheet. Tack and relieve then hammer till the edges join then weld and relieve inch by inch but steel flows so it's easy (relatively speaking) to get a good seam with no added metal but how you do it with ally which doesn't flow is beyond me. Love to see it done
It’s amazing to watch a craftsman make a difficult job look so bloody easy. Those E type panels are works of art and your 356 bonnet will be as well. Sorry the video ended…
There is another one next week!! Thank you for watching
Don’t you just love watching a craftsman at work, my fellow aircraft working were brilliant at this making skins for aircraft, taught me some enough to make my own wheeling M/C for my workshop and made many panels for cars including the roof on my 1934 SS2 😀
Yes, yes, yes.
I worked at British Aerospace in the 70s and watched craftsman make aircraft parts on English wheels it was fascinating then. But isn't it so sad that this craft has been left to die out in the UK. Those men passed their skills on to apprentices but where are these men now. Thanks to you Dom and Geoff this skill will not die out completely. 👍👍👍👍
I remember it well, in the early 70’s walking through British Aerospace Strand Road factory watching these ‘old men’ hammering and wheeling was an eye opener even for a 25 year old ex RAF aeronautical engineering apprentice. Now all gone!
Love the way he is showing how sensitive everything is and the next minute he's bashing it with a hammer :) fascinating to watch a life's knowledge
A bit of low tech kit and a load of skill and then perfect complex 3d curves. Extraordinary.
Dominic, working a wheeling machine with the worlds best Geoff Moss must have been something special, his Lotus 11 bodies are truly magnificent works of craftsmanship. Watching Geoff use the tree stump and wooden mallet that is a skill that goes all they way back to making knights armour 500 years ago if not further back into time, just amazing.
Those E Type panels OMG. What an artist
As a kid in metalwork we made planishe'd hammered ash trays (it was the 60s). Jeff's skill and empathy with his tools and materials is truly awesome..
Geoff is really a master but also has many years experience. But you can learn this stuff, even as an amateur. It just takes a bit of practice and understanding of what you are doing and what is happening with the metal. You don't need to make hundreds of cars to get good enough but of course the more the do the better you get. And like all skills some people have more inate ability at certain things I was lucky to have a great mentor who helped me. He also taught how to gas weld aluminium. But we used filler rod cut from the same metal we were welding. But seeing it done without filler was very impressive. I can only just achieve that with steel (most of the time) and aluminium is much harder to weld. One trick that helped me was the right aluminium flux and then blue tinted goggles. The blue cuts out the orange from the flame/flux and you can see what you are doing. It's great you're trying to get everything perfect but you don't need perfect to get usable results. You can start with a cheap wheel and start learning this stuff. Nice tools help and made the work more enjoyable but they aren't always necessary. The surface finish on the high end wheels is very nice but unless you're going for a polished metal finish you're going to have to sand it back for painting as you mentioned. Even my cheap, crappy wheel gets aluminium pretty shiny. Excellent stuff, looking forward to the next installment!
Thanks so much for the comment!
@@DominicChineas I'd love one of your machines of course. Yours are top end stuff. Anyone who does any wheeling always keeps a quiet eye out for a 'proper' old one to come up for sale cheap locally. It's one of those dream barn finds of old tools. But you don't need a fancy one to get started, a cheapie will do. I think as you saw with Geoff it's a tool you have to learn to use and get a feel of your particular one. He was able to comment on how the anvils felt different even. When yours are dialed in it would be interesting to see how Geoff feels about the finished machine compared to the one he uses. With your attention to detail they should be identical so it would probably take someone with his experience to tell if they feel the same.
Just getting to this video now. Amazing work by Geoff on the bonnet!
I really enjoyed watching this video showing Geoff in action. Geoff has thought me how to use the wheel a couple of years ago, absorbed what he told me and explained which gave me a great new world of skills. Looking forward to the next episode. And great to see you have him at the center stage! He deserves it, he is a true craftsman. Period.
You must feel so proud to see your hard work on the whole project actually produce an end product. Keep up the good work.
It is lovely!! I mean, I wish the wheels worked better, but I’ll get there
Brilliant. There is no text book for experience and craftsmanship. Such touch and understanding.
🤯 what a artist 🤯
That E Type bonnet is exquisite! Great your keeping knowledge of this art alive... 👍 Thanks Don, and Geoff. The quintessential 'man in a shed'.
What amazing craftsmanship. Such an almost lost art.
Artists come in many forms indeed. Makes me miss my father watching this. Thank you for sharing your work. Be well.
Glad you enjoyed the video, thank you
Wow just wow Geoff 👏
The devil is in the detail, well done Dominic
I think it's great that you're fixing up this Porsche I don't know if you heard about the tool it's called A induction tool it's electric you put coils in the front of it they lock in and it heats up nuts-and-bolts without flame something you should check out it'll make your job a lot easier removing the rusty nuts and bolts
I always put precious stuff on the floor Dom - it can't fall off the floor! Amazing English wheeling, I am in awe.
I was mudlarking at my parents. They had a farm and one field was prone to flooding so a heap (of rubbish) had been made way back in 1700 and something for the cattle to stand on when the field flooded.
I found a beautiful glass jar, engraved with the business name.
It was from 1800.
The best part….I was working at that business some 200 years later.
I very carefully placed it on the floor. Then dropped my second glass bottle right on top of my best find! Broke both bottles and my jar.
I was genuinely gutted. I found earthenware honey pots, lung tonic, beer bottles etc. But my treasure I destroyed.😢
Totally drawn in on the contents of this video. I can sit for hours… but I can’t otherwise I wouldn’t get anything done!
Brilliant Dominic, brilliant 👍🏻
Great to see Geoff in action. His work is just outstanding and I love doing his wheeling course. I will look forward to the next edition. Hugh
That's proper mesmerising to watch and one hell of a skill
Coming from civil engineering structures, lathes, mills, engines etc the whole bodywork thing is to me Witchcraft. Compound curves and shapes like that are beyond me. Hats of to Geoff and you for attempting such complex work. My rally car used to need body panels and I could never have made anything like that. Its lovely to watch and lesrn.
You will have to keep going back and forth to Geoff's until the wheels are perfected, and you have a complete aluminum body for the Porsche, what a cunning plan.
For Transporting "Delicates": Most car seat belts have a ratcheting feature when you fully extend the belt which doesn't release until the belt is reeled back in a certain amount. Place the delicate item into a bigger box and then use the seat belt to wrap around and ratchet it into place. Once you arrive remove the precious cargo from your cardboard box which you can collapse if needed to allow the belt to reel back in. Quite useful for bigger/top-heavy/awkward items to keep them from flying about.
Incredable skills. Really enjoyed a sheet metal lesson.
Dom get a wooden transport/protective box for those wheels.
I love to watch metal shaping masters at work. I will never, ever get to do this but this is ART! Thank you for the many years of skill you have in mastering the English wheel and for the craftsmen coach builders of old, whom fabricated the "jennies" to bead and shape the edges. How they can pick out the track etc. and just know how to adjust the wheels, tales years of skill! I am well into my 70's and love seeing this. Deeply envious of the ability and love of their craft!
Proper craftsman . . . . great episode Dom.
Oh!! It's that Jeff, I mean, Geoff
It's so impressive to watch a flat sheet of metal into such a perfectly curved item. Such a skilled man with a good eye and years of experience. Shame about the wheels though, a lot of time and effort went into them. C'est la vie. Have a good weekend Dom
Geoff is a master. Just an incredible skill set
So good!
That's the sort of expert I remember, no rushing and the contemplative rolling of the ciggie.
What skill a joy to watch. Took me back to my Fire Engine build days.
Glad you enjoyed it
You need to make a Studley Tool Chest for those wheels.
Interesting stuff
Wooohooooo the Porsche…. Wooooohoooo Geoff….
The thing that occurred to me was without any metal in the workshop the average person would have no idea what this business did!
The Ranula has me hooked. Great vid again Dom 👍
Oh, I do look forward to Sunday nights, watching clever guys work magic with metal. Very inspiring!
A great video thank you. So entertaining to watch proper craftsmen at work make something so beautiful from scratch 😎👍🏻
Thank you for watching!
Absolutely fascinating, could watch that for a long time. Must be even more difficult working together??
It’s interesting to learn how precise the wheels need to be for good results. Having top notch wheels will help justify what I am sure will be a pricey Ranalah.
IDE watch that man work all day !!
That was pure magic, watching those flat aluminium sheets change into the beautiful 356 bonnet form!
Isn’t it incredible!! Such a talent
Yeah, nice one, Dom.!
I spoke to Geoff last week and he said he enjoyed having you down .
I’m guessing you’ll be wrapping the next set of wheels in a duvet next time?!😉
Proper metal wizardry! Stunning 😍 something I've always wanted to do! Love it!!!!!!!👍👍👍👍👍
done a bit with an english wheel and it is a fascinating thing to use and would take many years to become fully adept at this art form
Dominic great video ! Listening to Geoff advise is the best thing you could have done , Geoff is one of a few craftsman's left , if not the best ! He really knows his trade . Cheers from Australia .
Thanks for the comment, Geoff’s advice has been so helpful, I can’t wait to get a machine down to him
@@DominicChineas please say hi to Geoff for me when you see him next . Thank you
Fanbloodytastic a genius at work ,I hope this gentleman is training young folks to continue his skill
Folks don’t put stuff on seats in front or back it’s a missile in a crash seen it with devastating results
Dom great video looking forward to more thanks stay safe 👍👨🏻🏭
Lesson learned!
Thanks for watching
Amazing to see a master craftsmen at work. Love it.
Thank you, Geoff is a legend!
Beautiful workmanship and absolutely wonderful to see another piece of the new Ranalahs test out!
Loving the progress on the Rannalah, and watching one used by a master, and also the Porsche coming along too.
he makes it look so easy a sign of a true craftsman 👌
Thankyou, Dom. I've never seen anything like that - way cool display of skill!
Hi Dom, as always a pleasure to watch a skilled craftsmen at work,and as always he makes it look easy, these skills mustn't be allowed to die out.
Amazing Dom Harry Potter Stuff!
Great to see that there are people keeping the traditional skills alive. Thank you for sharing
Fantastic video! I've been waiting for good ranalah content. Just floored by watching Geoff do his thing. It's so refreshing to watch the traditional methods and the unmistakable level of quality.
Amazing skill and talent. The right tool makes all the difference.
This fascinating... A flat piece of metal becomes the most beautiful subtle curves... AMAZING. THANKYOU
Incredible isn’t it! That’s why this craft needs to be saved!
I hope you show more videos of master panel-maker Geoff Moss. And have him describe his machinery, tools, and techniques. Thanks for a great video.
Next week is more Geoff finishing the bonnet!
Fascinating video Dom. Thanks for letting us see a master at work. Les
Your welcome!
Absolutely fascinating to watch Dom! What a craftsman - can’t wait to see the rest of the process and then seeing how it fits on the 356. The E Type bonnet in Geoff’s workshop was a true piece of art. In an earlier life I ran an E Type and Porsche 911 restoration workshop, but we bought all our new panels in and in most cases restored existing panels where possible. Thanks for this.
Very interesting Geoff Moss what a skilled craftsman.
Thanks!
Amazing adventure with this project. Love when something is made from nothing.
Thank you Dom and Geoff, another great video in the journey 👏
Bloody hell, that was an awesome episode, just brilliant . Some wonderful skills on show, really excited to see him weld both parts of the bonnet together. Thanks Dom
So glad you enjoyed it! Thank yoy
As it turns out, I was driving the Ford Focus that pulled out and you should see the mess in my footwell! McDonalds shake and fries absolutely everywhere... OK, so it wasn't really me. ;-)
Wonderful vid and thank you for the effort in making it. How fabulous to see these skills still alive today. Cheers from Sydney - Dave
Great content Dom and great to see Geoff in action - a true craftsman! Never thought there was so much science in the wheel profile but great that you are capturing knowledge from the master. Your Ranalah wheels will be the benchmark.
Amazing!I feel like I want to learn and just make cool looking bonnets to hang on my walls 😄
WOW, Geoff has mad mad skills!! Fantastic video
He is a master!
Good to see you enjoying your learning experience with Geoff, and learning your wheels. (Literally on a learning CURVE). They definitely need a cradle in a box to keep/transport them. Then to be able to kick-back and relax in such a beautiful setting. I'm sure that we're all enjoying your learning experience vicariously too.
I think a lid on the box would have helped!
Looking forward to next weeks episode
I really enjoyed this episode. Love seeing a craftsman at work. Cheers from 🇨🇦
Fantastic to see an expert at work!
How amazing to see all that work on the wheels lead to the bonnet shape.
amazing !! glad to see this master at work !!
Good progress Dom but what an amazing skill Geoff has, brilliant video footage, thank you and kind regards, Richard.
Great R&D 👍🏴
Simply fascinating watching Geoff work great video looking forward to the next one. Moral of the story if something can fall off a car seat it will.
Hey Dom, Geoff Moss is the master alright. You probably have already, but check out Wray Schelin Proshaper workshop channel. He has some great ideas for metal shaping, particularly what he calls the "flexible shape pattern" Nat at Retropower Cars has adopted this so it must be good. Those guys carry out probably the best restorations and resto-mods in the country. Well worth a look at their channel. Really look forward to episode 2. Finally, never cease to be amazed by some of the inane TH-cam comments.
find either a machinist or a set of precision ground flat stones, those tings will take the high points off the ding and preserve the finish. works like a charm, you wont have to discard that wheel. a shop with a centerless cnc grinder should be able to give you whatever profile you desire every time.
very interesting. Thank you
This was the BEST episode to me so far. Utterly enjoyed it and learnt SO much. Thankyou for sharing. So appreciated. From New Zealand.
A storage box that locked the wheels in place could be an excellent project if you knew anyone who could help you put one together...
Great to see work begin on it 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻