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Oliver Stone wrote on March 3 about Putin's "mistakes": 2) "Overestimating the military's ability to achieve its objective." - He doesn't say what the objective was and Lex doesn't ask him.
@Max M - The objective of Putin's invasion of Ukraine was to occupy Kyiv, arrest (or kill) Zelensky and install a Russia-friendy govenment. All on the assumption that Russians would be welcomed. After all, aren't Russians and Ukrainians historically 'one people' ? That assumption was wrong. - But Oliver Stone didn't get that. Nor did Fridman. - When I compare Putin's Ukraine war to Hitler's annexation of territory to Germany in 1938 (Czechoslovakia), Hitler got that without one shot being fired. - Compared to Hitler (in 1938) Putin is a fool. Don't get me wrong.
They are all putins bootlickers, they aren't gonna ask actual questions, only "questions" to confirm each other's pro-putins positions
I think the objective is to make their lives hell until they make a declaration of neutrality, which I don't think is too much to ask.
“I’m surprised how quickly Europe fell into the basket” Well Europe feels war closer than Americans. For Americans war is always somewhere else, across the pond, something to watch on the news while you’re having dinner.
I'm surprised Europe would allow a Yemen / Syria sized hole to be blown into them. Over the horizon the Earth's crust will burn setting off that many weapons.
Maybe that's why they shoot each other in America
We don't want to be in a basket of American isolationaism in Europe.
If there is war the nuclear weapons will be raining in New York easily
Yet its the Americans who starts this sh1t.
Cmon folks
The fact that so many commenters just can't grasp how the west/nato/the U.S. couldn't possibly be complicit in "shady activities" abroad speaks volumes to the prowess of their informational warfare capabilities.
Oh yeah you’re smarter than everyone else. Everyone else has the wool pulled over their eyes. Just because peoples opinion differ from yours doesn’t mean they’ve been misled or are misinformed.
@@jensgronning4436 If he said "The US did this", your comment would make some sense. But he didn't. Far from it.
And of course, big bucks $$$ being made somewhere... by some folks. (War Is A Racket- Smedley Butler)
@@corey1309 Stick with playing " Call Of Duty"....lol
Why can’t the west/nato/US be complicit in “shady activities” abroad? I’ve heard so many whistleblowers, witnesses and more over a long period that suggest otherwise. This comment is so confusing because it seems pretty naive to think that it’s not possible considering how much information there is to the contrary.
“When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals.”
- Edward Snowden- Quote copied From Lex Fridman Podcast full episode:
Yeah but he's not exposing any crimes that haven't already been exposed. He's spewing Kremlin propaganda. You can verify this yourself by noting his complete lack of criticism of the Kremlin.
right, and Snowden went to Russia, of all places....
@@joekey8464 its certainly problematic that there was no liberal democracy willing to give him asylum.
@@mnemonija he'd be jailed for treason.
@@joekey8464 he betrayed people illegally spying on american citizens, torturers and war criminals, none of which ever faced any charges. Obviously, while they control the courts, he will be the one charged, and not even allowed to have defense.
My favorite saying: There are three sides to every story: Your Side : Their Side and The Truth.
Sure, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that truth is in the exact middle. Sometimes one side really is the transgressor. These are war crimes.
I am really pissed of this crazy war. So many things that should have been avoided. My heart goes for all the innocents.
You got the government you voted for. i.e the warmongers who will always deflect the blame because they have NOTHING to lose, and you have EVERYTHING to lose.
It's sad people aren't more angry 😡
@@SJ-ds8lp: Are you saying _Biden_ caused the Russians to invade Ukraine? Really? How partisan stupid are you?
I Think this Is a poor american propaganda.
Every time i click on thumbs up, i feel youtube is putting me into a category.
go whole hog and plug a ribbon cable into your brain. koolaid never tasted as sweet.
Not TH-cam, just the governments and corporations that they sell that information to.
They do...
I feel it too. 😕
@@shaniannajones TH-cam belongs to Google Corp. therefore acts on behalf a corp., as you say 😉
When serious historians look at the reasons for WWII and cite the harsh terms of the Versailles Treaty as one of the causes, they're not justifying Hitler's genocidal wars of aggression.
actually had to argue this with buddy recently... times have become mindblowing
Himmler was the main architect of the death camps as far as I know.
They are
Ummm what harsh terms have the Russians had to put up with?
@@eddiel7635 they haven’t he’s talking bollox
"Decapitating Ukraina government is as assumption, we have no idea what they would do."
Wow, just wow.
Why attack Kyiv rather than just swarm into the Donbas?
@@garylake1676 perhaps to stretch out defence so the other party can’t concentrate on one front
@@roman-co1hg Best to feign an attack on Kyiv to tie the troops up, so hold rather than push.
Putin said the first part of the Special Operation is over, and now concentrates on the Donbas Region.
It does not make sense.
In war, unless you have a material advantage, you wait for the enemy to attack you as that commits and hands the initiative to the defender, so I think Putin thought he was doing a Hitleresque Biltzkreig, but he overestimated his own troops and underestimated those of Ukraine.
@@garylake1676 probably they had plan B and C. it could have been a "bonus" if Kiev operation worked out. But it didn't. I don't think they underestimated /overestimated anything in terms of Ukraine's military, they of course knew US was pumping them with ammunition and instructors for 8 years. On the other hand - what they didn't seem to predict accurately is the extend to which EU and US would support Ukraine in terms of ammunition, land lease and intelligence , and how far they could go in terms of economical sanctions. I don't think Ukraine would hold as long as it has without western support even against limited amount of Russian troops that have been deployed so far.
@@roman-co1hg Why would Putin think Europe would turn a blind eye?
I myself have given up one of my two homes to house Ukrainian Refugees from the Donbas Region.
The West gave up far too much when Putin annexed Crimea, just like when Hitler annexed Sudetenland, but just like Poland was for Hitler, Ukraine was a move too far, and once the war becomes real, then the beast creates its own nemesis.
Stone certainly knows whose hand feeds him that’s for sure.
Lol
A lot of mental gymnastics Oliver is doing on this segment
Yes, on this topic he is utterly stupid and didn't even bother to review the people who he is interviewing, like Medvedchuk, who is is calling Medvedev.
If you look on the situation without prejudice, one side then the other tou will see. Imagine Russia finance and organize coup of Mexico government, and slowly arm it with weapons, together with China, and other allies, control the mass media of the world, saying US will invade Mexico, etc, etc... While Russian intelligence backing up Mexico hate on US and that the Texas and most of the California should be Mexicans...
Creating borderline war in, say El Paso for 8 yrs...
The US will use NUKES on Mexico, in that i am sure...
Russia NEVER back up hate against US, with its neighbour countries... While US is fucked up whole 🌎
And that say the PEOPLE OF USA are on the same shit like the rest of the world, THEIR GOVERNMENT and fellows do this to the whole world and also on their citizens. THE PEOPLE OF US THROW OUT THOSE EVIL SCUMBAGS THAT ARE OCCUPIED YOUR INSTITUTIONS!
Is this what they mean when they call someone a "tool"?
Lenin used to call this sort of men "usefull idiots".
Thank you comrade for this masters class in victim blaming.
Not sure what you were listening to but sounded to me like he put the blame on America.
@@RobTheViking the US directed the massing of Ukrainian troops in the Dombass…hence, he’s blaming the US. The Ukrainian government was and is a puppet of the US, bought and paid for.
@@RobTheViking no they had been killing the donetsk people for 8 years and were going to do a big final assult to cleanse the russians from ukraine... Big russia bear stepped in.
@@RobTheViking Please refer to the Minsk Agreements 1 & 2.
@@RobTheViking brilliant!!!!!
Telling something about Western or Europes propaganda just showed how this man is hooked onto the russian propaganda
Is there no propaganda in the west? If you say so you are as much a victim of western propaganda as he is of a Russian propaganda.
Usa and nato helped right wing ukraine forces to terrorize eastern ukraine, where russian and russian descendents live. Crime and donbass is mostly russian, east ukraine is 300 km away from stalingrad. All russian deacendents of people who fought the nazi invasion from the 2th world war 80 years ago. USA arming right wingers in the ukraine.
France was just protecting French speakers in Indochina, I dunno why Mr. Stone was so upset about being sent to Vietnam.
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Yea really 😆
clueless 😂
Wait, Mr. Stone was sent to Vietnam to..."protect French speakers"? lol. Really? Lordy...
@@junkscience6397 he makes the case that Russia was looking to protect Russian speakers in Ukraine. I'm pointing out that was exactly the view the French had in Vietnam, and French withdrawal precipitated American involvement.
Ergo, Oliver Stone was doing in Vietnam exactly what Russian soldiers are doing in Ukraine.
Where did episode 100 go? It was my favorite
I am not one to defend the western MSM, but on this issue their coverage is accurate. I am in Poland rn, a town near the Ukrainian border. I have seen Ukrainian refugees (all women and children) pour over the border and settle into churches and other public buildings.I have also met foriegn volunteer soldiers coming back from fighting in Ukraine. These guys showed me videos of what some of the Russian soldiers are doing to these people. There are people in the streets with bullet holes in their heads and hands tied behind their back. One also told me he saw a dead thirteen year old girl with her legs spread open with the "Z" carved in her flesh. He actually started to cry when he told me about the things he witnessed over there. This guy was an American Iraq veteran, and he told me the Ukraine war made his experience in Iraq look like a camping trip. This is WWII level of destruction on a sovereign European nation that was merely trying to join the EU and NATO. Any counter argument about "Denazifying Ukraine" or "retaliate against NATO expansionism" is pure propaganda.
Stone is leaving out a lot of pertinent details when he criticizes Ukrainians and the West. The Moscow regime brainwashing the people of the Donabas with anti western propaganda via public radio and then arming them in 2014 and encouraging them to wage war against the democratically elected Ukrainian government in Kiev is what started this all. Moscow is notorious for dividing the population of their perceived enemy and then conquering them with brute force. Claiming they are invading to "protect ethnic Donbas Russians from Nazis" is simply propaganda, and it does not in any way justify a full fledged invasion.
An even more important detail he conveniently left out is in 2021 the Civil war in the Donbas was coming to an end. Not nearly as many people were dying in 2021 than in 2014 and 2015. Russia is responsible for ramping up the tensions in the region. NOT the west.
Yet, it is funny that the only time Russia started to interfere with Ukraine was when pro western Ukrainians had a populist revolution and overthrew the corrupt Russian backed regime in Ukraine. Ukrainians have suffered under the yolk of Russian tyranny and corruption for years, and they reached a breaking point and started the Euromaidan uprising. I should also add, In the 1930s Ukrainians were starved to death under Stalin's rule. Millions of Ukrainian Kulaks died and some even resorted to cannibalism. These same ethnic Russians in the Donbas that are anti Ukraine worship Josef Stalin, the man who is responsible for these deadly actions that eliminated millions of Ukrainians. It is not hard to understand why Ukrainians feel threatened when Moscow arms these pro russian separatists.
No one is denying that the nazi azov Battalion exists, but they have very little political power in the Ukrainian government. Kiev views them are useful idiots to fight on their behalf so they did in fact arm them. They took the "ends justify the means approach" to the situation. I agree that any war crimes they commit ought to be exposed and the perpetrators ought to be prosecuted. I do not agree with any cruel treatment towards Russian POW's or civilians.
The NATO expansion argument is really easy to dismantle. Before Feb 24 2022, NATO was not a threat to Russian security. Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania are have been NATO countries since 2004, and all three of them border Russian territory. NATO has never fired a single shot at Russia. When Russia claims they view Ukrainie becoming a NATO member as an existential threat, it is not rational, given that fact that NATO has bordered their country for over 20 years and never took hostile action against Moscow.
The only thing that could have prevented this war is if Ukraine became a NATO memember sooner. It really is unfortunate that this did not happen. All the the responsibility for this bloodshed is on the hands of the Russian oligarchs that instigated it.
Notice how you appeal to emotion without making any argument?
Any side can be right like this. Who knows who's really to blame for this. It's not like the USA or Russian has a good track record of telling the truth.
"Merely trying to join the EU and NATO . . ."
How does Russia view this?
i agree, i have many ukranian friends, same terrible personal stories
The exact thing can be said about the Ukrainian military shooting civilians and pows,burning a swastika on the body of a girl, decapitated, burnt Alive and shelled people from donbass and human shields
@@Diablito8042 If some Mexican cartels started doing this to Americans living in Cancun, would that give the United States the justification of starting a fucking war and threateing nuclear Armageddon? By your logic, that would make total sense.
Lex Fridman’s voice is like audio Valium!!!
That is right France stood up to the US when we voted at the UN over Iraq. France was the one causing all the trouble some years before in Vietnam, but they were right about Iraq. I remember Chiraq standing up to the US. I remember liking the fact that someone stood up to the US. They should have listened and avoided 2 wars.
United States wanted the UK to send troops to Vietnam and they got a resounding NO from the Wilson Government.
@@dcanmore There was some deep business partnership in the automotive industry. The French and the US were so deeply in bed after WWII. They controlled our Presidents who protested they did not want to support colonialism. The French were recruited in the CIA and made it into high command in Vietnam. They were in conflict about Vietnam because the US had been a colony. The US was against colonialism. The US had pledged to help nations who wanted freedom. The French had sway over the US in 1957. Right after WWII had ended, Truman was asked to escort French troops to Cochin-China. Navy Admirals and men objected on principle. The American military felt they had just fought Imperialism in Japan and Nazism in Germany and they had an even lower opinion of colonialism and the aristocracies they support.
and then France fucked up Lybia...
@@jamesdelcol3701 I know, totally agree with you. But what can you say, that’s the french for ya. 😢😂
France okay with getting involved in Libya
Love Lex but you feel Stone got a better cross-examination in the comments than in the actual interview.
He got ZERO push back and i would love to here the topics raised here debated with someone with knowledge of the region. Some of it sounded plausable but most of it was quite bizarre.
And what pushback do you have?
He makes some good points that everyone should ask...but the contested regions belong to Ukraine and Stone has also ignored the amount of weapons and para military that Russia has organized in Ukraine since 2014. Let's not forget they shot down a commercial airline...this isn't a bunch of rag tag farmers with rifles. This is thousands of Russian and russian Ukranians well armed and organized. It isn't a surprise though that Russia is using the " liberator" card to push for more resource rich territory though. The west is doing it too. But this ends quickly if Russia opens the ports or export of grain and pulls out or at least negotiates a peace based on the eastern regions. They aren't going to win this war in any way long term.
Agreed. Excellent points. Regards from Germany
_" the contested regions belong to Ukraine"_
THEN IMPLEMENT THE MINSK AGREEMENT!! it is INTERNATIONAL LAW.
"Ruissian Ukrainians" You mean Ukrainians?? "Zelensky is killing his own people" normaly NATO bombs you because of that.
As for the troops in Donbass, both weapons and soldiers were in the beginning Ukraine army that defected to the Donbass because they did not support the coup, they were themself eastern ukrainians, why would you kill your own familly??
OSCE, the observers have NOT reported Russian weapons or troops.
The Minsk agreement also make it VERY clear that the conflict in Donbass was NOT Ukraine vs Russia but a civil war.
The legal justification Russia makes for this intervention is solid.
IF NATO bombing of Yugoslavi was legal, as NATO claims
IF Kosovo is a sovereign country as The "West" Claims.
THEN Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk are sovereign countries AND Russia's intervention to protect them is legal and in accordance with the UN Charter art 51 (Collective self defence)
One can say that is "hog wash" BUT that is the justification NATO gave and they consider that ok, if its good enough for them its good enough for EVERYBODY.
Fact persist, Ukraine was killing its own people for 8 years straight EVEN AFTER A PEACE AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED (The Minsk agreement)
How would you end that??
The west did not even protest it.
they shot down a commercial airline, say who
@@rickg1137 My homeland, Russia, shot down the plane, claimed they shot down a military transport on Twitter, deleted the Tweet after realizing they murdered civilians, and prevented investigators from reaching the site of impact.
Being messy and without regard for human life is a part of Russian culture. As one POS said, "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic," a quote by someone who carried out Pogroms and literally sent my Ukranian family to Siberia and certain death in 1930s and 1940s.. Oh wait... its 2022 and this is a reboot.
@@MikeRyzhikov accidents happen remember Iran Air Flight 655
Stone’s analysis of this situation is about as believable as his movie JFK
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@@gstar384 Yes, you're a bot.
Yeah, surprising how people easily eat these preposterous conspiracy ideas
@@TheNightOcelot yea you go eat your fox,msnba,cnn,bbc new aka the "truth" :D
@@TheNightOcelot What, like a "Magic Bullet" found on a gurney in a hospital in practically pristine form, after flying through over 12 inches of flesh and bone? Uh-huh...
Did he know Donbas is Ukraine ...
This was an obvious point that went totally unchallenged. Never cared for Lex’s interview style.
Please, enlighten me on Italy being "most compassionate and understanding". To whom? (Not trolling, living in central Europe and did not notice Italy being particularly active)
Your being to kind to De Gaulle, and leaving a fair amount of information out tbh
For example is a war in Algeria, Chad ,or Lydia any worse than Bush in Iraq
@@greengoo3870 You've read so much about it that you fuck up two country names out of three.
Didn’t agree with a lot of what was said despite my respect for Oliver, especially Oliver’s views on zelenski and how Ukraine is the possible aggressor and that Oliver may be targeted by far right Ukraine hit squads but I welcome listening to the conversation and his perspective. Think lex was in a good position to respectfully challenge more some of Oliver’s views
I share the same opinion, I disagree with his views
This helps a bit to have more structured arguments to chalange oliver S.: Azov, Bandera, history on ukraine independance, What happened in Wolyn, Who are Ukraines historicaly, how their Language developed, where officialy this Language was used in literature and art and what was the feedback to it, what hitorical figures Ukraine has, why Zalensky came to power and what did he prommis, what happened to oposition politics and media who do not upport russia and are just against Zalensky, refresh memory on what was happening in donbas for the past 8 yeras.
I totally disagree with stone he's in the moment and is totally wrong on this war when we all know Russia invaded in 2014 ...he's victim blaming Ukraine he's an idiot
Because you have been brainwashed by western propaganda, you are digging you own grave and proud of it! The WASPS set a trap for Putin and he fell in it, now there is no way out, only liberation is DEATH. This is exactly what the globalists have been planning for decades, first destroy Russia, then destroy China. We are already fighting WW3, make no mistake about it! Come autumn gas and food will be a luxury for rich people, many will starve to death in the West, let alone Africa and Middle East...
If you have any respect for this “man” that’s already a problem, he is 101% con and paid actor for Russia/Putin side
At 12:45 , Mr. Stone alleges that Zelensky made no attempts to make peace with Russia. Considering that Russia invaded Crimea and waged a proxy war in Dobas, how correct is Mr. Stone's allegation? A negotiation would only work if Russia showed a genuine desire for peace. Did she?
crimea has always wanted to be back in Russia and when her people were attacked by the Right-wing goons after Maiden they knew had to get out. They overwhelmingly voted to get out. That is perfectly legal unless the USA and NATO says it is not. The Accord in place was not accepted by Ukraine and instead they attacked the two Donbas provinces and killed OVER 14,000! Hover Ukraine was the result of an American sponsored coup of 2014. The forces behind Zelensky do not want to lose any territory no matter the choice of the people. KILL THEM is the Nazi form of negotiations.
Brave debate, brave Chanel
Ukraine invading Donabass? Tell me, how can you invade part of your own country?
Замечательно спросил.👍👍
Украина возвращает свою территорию, ранее временно оккупированную Россией 😀. Только так 😀
Русский корабль, иди
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Пуйло и рашисты пойдут за русским военным кораблем! Поздравляю, всё «идёт по плану».
I feel like a lot of these notions shouldn't go unchallenged. I would like to see an expert on the whole ukraine situation on the podcast who can give a view less based on speculation and personal feelings and can tell more about the scale of things based on what is actually known and set them into perspective. If there already has been feel free to point it out.
Oliver Stone is an expert, but sure because he isn’t saying the same thing as MSNBC, CNN he’s a hack
Check out Destiny's 2 hour long love debate on TH-cam called "Is Ukraine Evil? Debate"
He and his opponent are very knowledgeable on the topic, but in the end it is obvious that Russia is in the wrong here. The Pro Russian guys ends up embarrassing himself
Guys, to realize the reasons you should understand Russian and Ukrainian languages (or at least please use google translate) and make some gigging into history of Donbas conflict started in 2014. Check out some videos, reports, listen to the people involved there. There are lots of Ukrainians fighting for Donbas, lots of Ukrainians supporting Donbas, at the same time there are lots of Russians fighting for Zelensky. That issue is very complex.
@@President.GeorgeWashington lol Destiny is a deep state asset but send me the link I'll check it out
Nowadays most of the so called experts are bought and sold and are very corrupted...It is not easy to find INDEPENDENT academicians.!! I've studied International Relations & Political Science and in my own humble opinion he is quite right.!!
As this guy admits he bases many of his opinions on speculations and intuitions I'm therefore fine with dismissing him for no reason other than it seems like he's full of s.
You view honesty as a flaw to be uncertain about
Mr. Stone has more experience and credibility than everyone in these comments combined
Why don't you answer the question
Who killed more civilians since 2014......
@@galimir that's a great speculation.
He is full of shit, he uses Bandera as a reason for legitimising Russian mistrust of Ukraine. Bandera's actions have right or wrongly been attached to the deaths of about 50,000 ethnic Russians in Ukraine, so even if true, which is not 100%, as he was in prison for most of the time he was "collaborating" with the Nazis, who also killed his family, that is a bit less than the 5million Stalin killed in Ukraine.
@@galimir Why would ANYBODY listen to anything a Russian has to say? You guys ever NOT lie? Besides, you think the rest of the world doesn't realize Putin is a loser kleptocrat who's been stealing from the Russian people for decades?
Have you ever watched people play hockey around him? What kind of loser has to have people play like that???? hahaha he's pathetic, and for you clowns to be ruled and stolen from by him for decades means you're the last person anybody should listen to.
Why would we listen to such weakness that you let yourself be ruled by that little loser?
Not to mention Russians have been ruled by one little loser after another for over 100+ years. Yeah, we'll pass on anything Russians have to say lmfao
@@galimir lmao for real tho you don't realize how much of a joke Russia is? Dude your economy is smaller than Italy's. You have an economy the size of the Maldives hahahaha!
Also, lets all laugh at how pathetic you all are when it comes to sports. When was the last time Russians were allowed to compete under their flag and anthem at the olympics? like 3 Olympiads ago?
LMFAO but yeah, lets hear what Russians have to say hahahahhaha
In summary, it's all about geopolitical sphere of influence, I laugh a lot when people defend sides beyond reasonable doubt, while their main source of information is mainstream media. Don't get me wrong,War is horrible, innocent people die just so that one group can dominate the world.
You can get information without watching the mainstream news medias, I know this because I don't watch or read a drop of mainstream news, so you can definitely get informed without watching Fox or CNN, but I guess to you the only way to get any info is through the news, its not hard to see who is the right in this situation and who isn't, and if you can't see that then it sure seems you have a bias towards russia and their non stop artillery Bombardments of city centers, I guess the people who were under russian occupation or had a run in with the Russians soldiers are just lying about their stories, and I guess all the video proof is all shot with CGI too huh, its not hard to see one country is defending their land while russia is claiming they are fighting Nazis and in the same statement claiming Ukrainians aren't real people and neither is their language or that we Americans were setting up Chemcial and Biological labs in ukraine that are meant for war and thats directly from russian news media outlets who also have called us Americans and Brits Nazis but thats all BS I guess, nobody has threatened Russia and nobody is a threat to russia, NATO literally can't attack untill they are attacked so that whole NATO is a threat is all Hogwash, ive never seen so many people who would be willing to live on their knees in my life and many are these Trump loving Republicans who are supposed to be Pro Democracy and Freedom yet praise Putin and Defend him in the same breath
@@thatintellectualhoodnigga513 let me just make it clear to you - I am a strong believer in the western democracy, but I am not naive, I have no sympathy for war mongers, be it Putin, bush or a random African dictator.
But you can't tell me, you 100% naively think that most of the guys in the west standing on podiums clinching their fists in air declaring things are more moral than Putin.
How many covert operations do you know of, that innocent people have lost their lives.
No one puts a nigerian flag on their profile when Boko Haram murders innocents or when militants kill people in northern Mali. Do you know what happened in bikini atoll. A military general literally told the natives "if they give up their land for nuclear test, they will be doing God's will" - I am not making this up, look for the vid
Just think about that one example, do you know more bombs have been dropped in Laos (more than 2 million tonnes) than any other nations in history of war. Do you know the destruction in livelihood and deformities locals have faced since???
It's do convenient to sit in your cushioned home and dictate what happens to poor people.
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Oliver Stone, a truly great human being. Huge respect for his talent, honesty and courage. And thanks for this interview, Lex!
"The invasion was wrong but you know ...South American death squads ..."
haha, he talks a lot about Ukrainian death squads and offers no real evidence of it or any context. It is quite true that Ukrainian soldiers looked for people who operated for the DPR and LPR and found them in their houses. This is the same as how the UK army found people who were in the IRA. For him to act like this is a "death squad" which randomly goes around killing is retarded. From the point of view of Ukraine, the DPR and LPR are the same as the IRA is to the UK. The difference is the Irish government also knows what kind of scum gets involved in the IRA and also categorises them as terrorists, but the Russians go "no, we like these guys, so what if they are completely stupid and struggle to hold a staged referendum..."
He has to be on Russia’s side, he’s literally owned by Putin and the Kremlin and it’s no secret, Stone is proud of his relationship with Putin and has even asked Putin to be his daughters god father. He’s a hack.
Stone is like what a stupid version of Chomsky would sound like.
It is not wrong, Russia is doing the very same thing the USA would if China put military forces in Mexico
Wonder why he got all nervous and started changing a subject when asked about his statement instead goes on to defend Russia. 🤔
and you're intellingent because you're supporting ukrainians ................to their doom?
@@immunetowesternlies8697 can't recall me saying I support either side. That my friend is speculation.
@@pavely8733 you don't have to talk like a lawyer you hypocrite. Clearly you support ukraine.
Yeah stone is a 🤡🤡🤡
How would you react if you knew or heard what Putin said were his objectives when a top one is to deNazify Western Ukraine? You wouldn’t take Putin seriously would you but Russia lost 27million stopping the Nazis in ww2 so the have memories written in blood on gravestones.
@7:26 Mr. Stone mentions "if you check the logs of the European organization in the field"... how does one go about checking these logs?
OSCE Ukraine Monitoring Mission Ukraine Shelling, Ceasefire Violations (via Google)
It's hard for someone to not defend old friends.
Yes indeed, the US has made some very interesting friends over the last 75 years.
I know about this war from this man's 2016 and 2019 documentaries. It gave me so much information to research. Every single thing in those documentaries is confirmed by others and its pretty clear cut.
You take this along with reporters that have been in Ukraine for 8 years like Patrick Lancaster and there is no arguing.
The facts are laid out in front of you and some would rather act delusional and play dumb, than acknowledge facts.
So you are delusional and playing dumb? Making "documentaries" about Ukraine from Putin and Medvedev's point of view and presenting that as "the truth" is like making a documentary about how people live in North Korea from Kim Jong-Un and his cronies' point of view or documentary about jews from Hitler and Goebbels point of view, it's absolutely disgusting and you are completely insane beyond saving if you actually formed your opinion about this war based on such a blatant one-sided propaganda. If Oliver cared about facts, he would interview both sides and let people decide, but he didn't care about that because he was paid to create pro-kremlin propaganda and that's what he did, which makes him a giant pos.
You know that lancaster was hired by russian fsb to spread russian propaganda in the west?
Patrick Lancaster is a well-known Kremlin funded proxy propagandist. I sincerely hope you've woken up from the mania and have listened to more empiric viewpoints since this.
Apparently "facts" to you means the Kremlin's narrative.
@@WangMingGe If you don't know who Andriy Parubiy, Dmytro Yarosh, Oleh Tyahnybok, or Mikheil Saakashvili are then you should be shutting your fucking mouth. BBC, and everyone else was talking about the nazi problem in Ukraine and all that disappeared in 2022.
It's cute that you think Russia is the bad guys in this. I live in the most propagandized country in the world. In 2014 the legit elected government of Ukraine was overthrown. Victoria Nuland and Biden controlled Ukraine. Nuland is on recording talking about who would run Kiev. She picked Vitali Klitschko. These people are all involved with Nazis. It's weird how people like you holler nazi this and nazi that. Then when you have a situation where there are ACTUAL Nazis, you play dumb. If you don't know what a Nazi is. It's crazy 😆
the public needs a Refresher interview with Oliver Stone (and Ed Snowden)
Stone is as stale as week-old bread. Any way he can...it's America's fault.
Why?
I consider this was a collection of podcast of the greatest minds of our time and not of people with clear signs of dementia.
We get it, America is bad. Doesn't make Putin a saint. You don't have to be a Putin sycophant unless he's got some serious dirt on you, bud.
You are just ignorant, you have no idea how US foreign policy works, not even a clue. Compared to US Putin is a saint. Tell me what the us would have done if anything close would to happen in there neighboring country.
American is the worst country in the world when it comes to wars and ppl in power.. I wonder what US would think if Russia put up bases in Mexico. Missiles pointed at US.. Ppl are so stupid and think that US is some kind of unique country and are worth gold.. Meanwhile US sends billions of dollars to other countries and creating wars all over the world, and the ppl in US are suffering, more and more ppl becomes homeless, you have to work 2-3 jobs to have a roof over your head.. US is so sick from the inside, but the ppl in power in US don't care about their own ppl and they dont care about Ukraine that is just bs..
Blind or just stubborn?
Or alot of money laundering from us elite in Ukraine
US gubbermint started this in 2014....
When you know you can get into a car and drive to war zone in under 24 hours your opinion might change. This is why Europe supports Ukraine, this is not Iraq.
Just destroying ur argument real quick: NATO started a war against Yugoslavia late 90s and it's waaaaay closer to Europe than ukraine... now u know u r wrong yw
@@odijameson4788 NATO did not start a war. It intervened in a civil war/possible genocide.
That war did not involve one of the world's biggest armies as an enemy to Europe and the potential threat of nukes. It involved small and almost irrelevant armies and countries. Few people in Europe felt threatened.
most people IN THE WORLD knows that ukraine is not that innocent. In europe, the amount of europeans that knows that ukraine is not innocent is 50/50. You're just as delusional as how you think that ukraine is winning. Easy for you to suport ukraine to their doom When the innocent people of ukraine that lost their lives are not your love ones.
@@nicovl the same applies for Russia now, doesnt it? :) it also intervened into a war...
Exactly totally opposite of Iraq...
In most of his talk he focusses on motivation of western countries, he has a clear explanation of why and how they contributed to this war but when asked about Putin’s motivation he says he has no clue (despite the fact he made several interviews with him and seems to know him quite well). Interesting.
You just need to read his biography a little bit and know how Russians do business with westerners to understand that he is their man, has been for maybe even decades.
@@giorgimargiani7402 I just wonder if his indirect advocating for Russia is intentional or unintentional. I understand his bitterness about own country but in his narrative he completely overlooks the regional matters, specifically in eastern europe. Over last 30 years the history of this region was not formed solely by American interventionism or weakness of Soviet empire but also because of the will of several countries to escape from red regime. It just happens that USA supports it and it certainly does not justify Russia’s aggression on independent country. Stone just does not want to talk about it, he wants to talk how evil and manipulative his country which in this specific issue is just not only inappropriate but also not that relevant.
Stone, is a bitter angry man for some reason, always has been. He blames the U.S.A. for everything wrong in the world.
@Pawel Kita, I’m curious if you are aware of the civil war that has been going on in Ukraine since 2014. Kiev has been killing thousands of Russian speaking Ukrainian civilians for 8 years.
Have you investigated how the coup in Kiev was organized and who was involved in it? Do you understand the USA has played in the coup and the following military activities in Donbass? Have you seen what Ukrainian nazi terrorists have done to Ukrainian-Russian in Odessa in 2014?
@@hanna8418 i am curious how much you believe in the propaganda and not consider why this atrocities you refer to were never discussed publicly anywhere else except Russia. Possibly because they it a great tool to invent it, so it justifies aggression and new imperialistic politics. I have no idea what nazi terrorists you refer to and i am not sure why the word nazi is used in this context at all. I have been to ukraine many times, understand the country very well and can reassure you that it is very far from Germany shortly and during II world war. The comparison is very irrelevant.
George Galloway MOATS with Scott Ritter- Richard Medhurst. Peter Lavelle Crosstalk, Telasur A Kirk + Eva Bartlett
The man is brilliant in many ways, and ignorant in many more.
@Mike Collard 100% AGREE WITH YOU!!!
Could you develop your statement a bit? Thanks!
Stone is not brilliant, in fact he’s literally a Putin spokes man. He’s called him the greatest leader of our generation and has even asked Putin to be his daughters god father. He isn’t the least bit objective. Why do you think he hasn’t been taken serious now for over a decade?? Dudes completely lost it and gets payed insane sums to support and back Putin.
@UCbRyZhJt2mBiCrB0-twCMjA I am not defending Stone, I was just curious and asked you a question, I didn't make a statement, you did.. Take it easy Bryan, you don't have to answer, but you make a claim: " The man is brilliant in many ways and ignorant in " many more." Could you develop the " many more part?" If not, no problem: peace.
Anybody seen Mike?
Let's say Mr Stone was Russian and the scene was the opposite. He criticized the Russian government and accused them of aiming for world domination " but not going the Hitler way", supporting death squads, provoking invasions... how many years prison penalty would he get? or how many days left to live in police custody? ( remember Magnitsky)
most likely ,being a famous director, no one would do anything serious to him
@@user-uz2dt4bn8g I'm not sure. There are famous directors in Russia too and they either leave the country or keep quiet. My point is that Mr. Stone, and any other apologists of Russia forget their own freedom. And the most important one - freedom of speech. USA and other democracies are not perfect but where do you see people flow to. Freedom of speech countries or NO freedom of speech countries. Just saying..
@@opalmquist So laying down what is really going on is being an apologist now? He is not saying Russia is good and Ukraine is bad. He is saying Ukraine isn't any better than Russia with their actions and yet the western propaganda is trying to make Ukraine look like the victim and they are not. The only victims are the civilian populations whether they be Russian or Ukranian. What US, Russia and Ukraine are doing is dirty international politics. Some people are so lost in the propaganda that they can't get their heads out of their own asses and look at something objectively.
@@jimigrill Well yes, Stone tries to objectively say what is going on in a broader view. But is Ukraine not he victim here?
Russia invaded Ukraine. No one can deny that whatever they call it.
Ukraine did not invade Russia.
Ukraine (or no one else for that matter) would never invade Russia.
And that is not paranoia on by the Russian leaders, they know that. But it is the propaganda to their people to excuse un invasion. And the west propaganda might be that we need to support and arm Ukraine because Russia uses their propaganda....
If you can't speak with each other about a problem finally things blow up, just like in the school yard.
That's a benefit of a democratic state, but unfortunately it seems to be going away with the raise of the cancel culture.
He actually gave Ukraine being about to invade its own country (Donbas) as a pretext for Russia invading Ukraine. What hilarity.
The Donbas - Donetsk and Luhansk - had broken away from Ukraine and each had set up their own Peoples' Republic. This is what Stone meant.
Still wrong. Russia "broke" Donetsk and Luhansk away from Ukraine. Part of their familiar frozen conflict strategy. The same strategy applied to Moldova and Georgia.
@@alaayuwuh3012 You're so right. Like many in the West, they're about to have a rude awakening . . .
@@HarryWolf They we’re invaded and taken by force. If sovereignty doesn’t matter to you then there’s nothing else to discuss.
@@invisibull8413 When you've gotten up to speed on what's actually been happening in Ukraine for the last 8 years then I'd be delighted to continue this discussion. Until then, best wishes on your journey.
Someone is in Putin's pocket
It's called the truth, BTW Ukraine invaded new countries that declared independence (now Russia).
I don’t like the way he groups Europeans. Germany and Italy may be restrained by their positions decisions to shackle themselves to Russian, but that isn’t the case across all Europe. It certainly is in the Uk.
Yeah because we are America's whipping boy. We have become a pathetic nation of morons. We are always dragged in the crap they start. We might as well be an extra state at this right.
"What people dont understand is that Ukraine is a terrorist state, anytime any ukraninan has stated something in favour of Russia they have been bla bla bla". Is he really playing the freedom of speech card to defend Russia against Ukraine?
By his logic Russia is also a terrorist state so what gives? Why defend a terrorist state?
Most things that he says is not fact based or is biased. Russia has nazis, from journalist to military, Wagner is one example. Plus their whole love for communis. Mr Stone is cool with it.
Funny because Russia is a terrorist state too🤣🤣🤣
🇺🇸 is seen as a terrorist state in many parts of the world.
Check your tribalism. Jesus how impossible people have become with the whole blue vs red mentality in any topic whatsoever
Not an opinion, just an observation: I watched Mr Stone's interview with Putin. Putin is a master at deflection. Putin has a definite formula for answering questions. Never direct; e goes immediately into a diatribe about his enemy (with a history lesson and moral equivalency) and redirects the focus of the question away from him and on to his adversary. And Mr Stone employs the same strategy when answering the questions. Just an observation!
Birds of a feather
Thank you very much for unbiased point of view.
The polarizing power of the world's governments, businesses, and media is scary and not an accident.
Is he on a payroll? Having no figures but making conclusions. Never visiting that country but knowing all about the kife there
Humm yes he visited Russia and even did a 1 on 1 interview with Putin
@@philgm6846 please add Kazakh Nursultan Nazarbayev also an eight-hour film produced on demand for money.
I appreciate the longer clip very much
As Lithuanian I have 1000 years of history. This man telling me I'm not have to live cause Putin would decide. He's American 300 years of history. He knows a shet
Most Americans talk loudly to say nothing
He doesn’t represent Americans. He’s a a paid apologist for Putin
Very revealing! Thanks
Oliver, sadly I watched in horror when sweden`s social democrates and partly the conservative moderaterna together, the two social nation bearing parties, dismembered the swedish army. By doing this they gave up the swedish peoples´ freedom. Finland which has fought a war similar to Ukrain`s has said never again alone and because they couldn`t trust their nearest western neighbour they drove both countries into NATO.
Didn't Finland joined Axes in WWII? that is why you saying "similar to Ukraine". This is so hilarious to read.
@@alexanderpapadopoulos2383 Soviet union attacked Finland in 1939-1940. Germany began operation Barbarossa in 1941 and yes, then they allied with Germany when tension rose anew. Enemy of my enemy is my friend I guess.
@@loffes_cirkus_rokt_marulk5514 Admitting to be a fascist now days is norm? I wonder how Finland would look like if they were against fascism. Turkey had dispute with Russia before WWII. They didn't took opportunity to side with Axes and they didn't lost land. So educated people will always remember Fins as fascist. Next time choose your allies the way you want world see you as. There is old saying tell me who your friends are and I will know who you are.
@@alexanderpapadopoulos2383 Neither I or Finland was or is fascist. I’d say it’s a little more complex than the way you put it. You seem interested in history so I’d advice you to read up on the Finnish winter war and the continuation war thereafter.
@@ingemar4949 can you suggest good video on the subject? I lack knowledge.
Wasn't expecting this. Felt more like an interview than a podcast due to Lex not pushing back on some obvious points though. I'm however very entertained by the different perspective. Great content Lex.
@@jaay816 IKR. Wounded is clearly a worshiper of the msm narrative that is obviously objective even though its firmly on one side of this conflict.
He wants to seem sympathetic so Putin will agree to be interviewed.
What points specifically?
@@ltf9 seem?
Pushing back? How you pushing back to facts?
If you are westerner feed with western propaganda this is the PUSHING BACK argument you have to listen.
LEX got some Juice
Howd u get Oliver Stone
When a film maker is more informed and truthful then ur elected President....
Very wary of people speak convincingly and with seeming certainty about things they do not know. And Lex, don't be afraid to push a bit chief. Platoon was a good movie though.
Comrade Oliver Stone at your service
Stone doesn't understand that war is a bad thing. It should be condemned.
Does disregarding a statement in an argument by flagging "whataboutism" essentially prohibit reference to any historical event as reference?
I am so glad to read the comments and find a lot of critical thinking on this interview. Thanks world!
What sounds like critical thinking is very thorough brainwashing in the West. Everyone believes that lies are the truth. 1984 is here in the USA.
Love the podcast for so many reasons; interviewing Oliver was a waste of you valuable time...my two cents cheers 👍
"This is equivilant frankly of, Germanys goals in WW2, world domination, We go about it our own way, as opposed to Hitlers way... "
Lex´ blazer matches perfectly with the background. And his voice is making me want to go to sleep.
"Ukraine had 110 000 troops on border, they were about to invade Donbas.." what the hell is he talking about..
They were about to take their country back! I’ve never heard such a load of bollocks come out of a persons mouth
Thing is ukrainian troops localised closer to Donbas border, after russian troops were placed all over ukrainian borders. Many of us [ukrainians], thought back then that there would not be a full scale war, but only another big russian attack on Donbas to annex it completely.
That's how Oliver Stone manipulates facts
14000- 4500 of them Russian soldiers. Did you know they are there?
War in Europe is as natural as rain in a rainforest
I am not sure if it will age well...
@6:27 … from the Middle East I say, thank you , on behal of Iraq people and our whole region in the Middle East.
The fact that in the 1st Tweet shown Oliver Stone mentioned "vacuum" and cluster bombs tells me he knows not what the fuck he he is talking about.
@3:51: Stone says that he does not think that European countries/leaders have freedom to say what they mean. What? Germany pushed for Nord Stream 2 even when the United States tried to block it. Just because Germany sides with the United States does not mean they're in the pocked of the United States. If that was the case, please explain Nord Stream 2.
Lex PLEASE get stephen kotkin and this fella on a podcast
Lex asked him a question, about the humanitarian cost. And he literally dose what Donald dose which is talk about something completely uncoonected to the question.
He spoke about American death squads and the donbas region under attack, and implying that Bucha was done by Ukraine military.
But he never answered the question., unless he did as I have not watched the whole interview.
What about the nazis? You like them?
You do realise that there is plenty of evidence that suggests Bucha was done by ukraine, more specificaly Azov.. more specificaly a death squad section of azov called the kraken geoup. The white armbands are used by civilians to tell Russia (hey we on your side)... they were used to tie them up, they had russian military food packs and ERPs by them (well known if you take food/help from russia you are a traitor and traitors die)... Also this "Bucha" inncident was over 10kms away... The bodies looked freshed, white tshirts were white, no blood, etc said a Journalist on the ground. Either way... you should not be so certain with your opinion lol just because the western MSM says so, who are clearly against russia anyway and are not imparital. Also... Russia wanted a international investigation into Bucha, the UK blocked it. It is well known mi6/uk are in ukraine along with some usa/nato helping co-ordinate, etc.
Are there neo nazis in Russia? Last time I checked that was a big HELL YES
Do you like nazis
@@marc-etiennemercier6584 what about the Wagner group? Do you like russian nazis ?
No one really deals with the build up before 2014, the pull back from the EU partnership. I can understand Oliver Stone having Russian sympathies, he spent time with Putin.
In terms of fighting in the Donbas', 2014 - 2022, if anyone has links that would be good. But from what I can discern the ceasefires had been broken multiple times, didn't the Donetsk separatists take the Donetsk airport whilst a ceasefire was underway?
It might be better if Mr Stone starts with the Putin essay in July 21, gives a breakdown of what he thought Putin meant when he wrote it...as that seems to mark the prelude to military build (especially as it was compulsory for the Russian armed forces to have read or listened to it).
And again, the taking of Crimea is never addressed...
Crimea is Russia. Criamean people decide on this matter.
@@marioceva7163 By referendum?
@@gibberish131 yes. 95%.
@@marioceva7163 what was on the ballot?
@@gibberish131 there are rebelions in crimea.?? No. Crimea is populated by majority russia people that dont want to be ukranians. The Ukranians try to block water and eletricity to Crimea. Ukronazis a crazy. Donbass the same.
you should get Kissinger on
This is exactly what Putin said in his Tucker interview
Painful, painful. Oliver's friend has done something awful and now the guy must twist himself in knots trying to blame it on the US.
Stone is right. The days before 24th Feb.
The Ukraine military had 100k plus soldiers in Donbas and the artillery was becoming heavier and heavier on the Donbas people.
So
@@dmd2652 Russia has been completely outplayed . Big time.
16:13 exactly!
Ведущий, ты спросил бы почему у хорошего Путина в стране оппозиция по тюрьмам, а журналисты в бегах. Оливер мне кажется слишком драматизирует уровень агрессивности Украины. Пока что все касания были от Пу
The oppostion in ukraine is also locked up
Did he say "Ukraine was amassing troops to invade Donbas"? Donbas is internationally recognized Ukrainian soil...I could spend all day explaining everything wrong with most everything he says (and the list is long) but it's seriously not worth my time. Couldn't be more obvious who's buttering this guy's bread and he's playing ball with intent. Shouldn't be giving this guy a platform Lex...
He definatly fel under Putins spell...most of his assertions are direct txt from Kremlin playbook....
I also found myself raising an eyebrow a few times during this clip. Accusing Zelensky of not wanting to negotiate with Putin? Blaming Ukraine for trying to "invade" Donbas? Its own territory? Is this Oliver Stone just old or is he on a Moscow payroll?
Ukraine has signed a peace deal for donbass autonomy, which they never enforced.
@@crocox7536 russia took away Ukraine's nukes with the promise of not taking UA territories
@@mr.hgorgan1812 You asked "Is this Oliver Stone just old or is he on a Moscow payroll?" I would answer "on the payroll"
This guy is somehow affiliated with Putin otherwise he would not be allowed for interviewing Putin
The msm are nazis. Anyone who's not a nazi, putin is willing to speak to them. Nazis like soros, not so much.
I would almost agree but, he's Oliver Stone. Just do a google
Can’t believe he watched dr Strangelove with putin
Awesome interview
Not giving any credence to Russia's concerns about Ukraine /Donbass/ NATO expansion was a dreadful failure of diplomacy. Had we acted to support peace in the Donbass over the period 2014-2021 and showed willingness to put NATO (aka US) activity in Ukraine on hold, and Russia had still invaded, then we would know their stated motive was a ruse. But we didn't do that and we'll never know if that would have brought peace to the region. We are now living with the consequences. To have tried all diplomatic effort is not appeasement. Avoiding war is what great leaders seek to do. War is the result of weak leaders.
This has been my point from the very start. All we had to do was act in good faith. Support a rival party fine, but not a coup by extremists. Do everything the right way so that if Russia *still* goes out of pocket, we would have a FAR easier time getting China, India and the global south to condemn- without coercing them. Unfortunately that timeline doesn't exist.😔
@@jDiddyi Hardly a coup by extremists. It was a huge uprising for obvious reasons. Who in their right mind would want to be aligned with a tyrannical Russia they know only too well over being aligned with a prosperous Europe? Of course the majority of the population, even many ethnic Russian Ukrainians, wanted to look westward rather than eastward.
Like wait - did Ukraine got into nato between 2014 - 2022, or I missed something? Nato exactly put Ukraine on hold. IF they would like to have it there they would have it in few months like in case of Sweden and Finland it is happening.
If anyone is confused about who the aggressor is, or is confused by Stone's twisted views of history and geopolitics, just look up how many countries Russia has invaded in the past 100 years and compare that to how many Ukraine has invaded. You'll get a clear view as to who's right and who's wrong in this conflict.
That's not the right question. If you look how many countries United States invaded.... Even when they were 8,000 km away... Moscow is 400 km from the border. Putin fear was logical. This a preventive war like you did on Iraq. But at least here putin had arguments you had not: NATO expansion to the east
@@pacmanlp8876 you say, "like I did in Iraq"?
Who am I? I didn't invade Iraq or anyone.
Are calling me the USA?
Regardless, why are you even talking about the United States? The comparison I made is between the two countries at war. Your justifying Russia's invasion of Ukraine because the US invaded Iraq thirty years ago is absurd.
Furthermore, this war has done more for NATO expansion than anything. NATO is more unified, getting better armed, and Finland and Sweden want to join. NATO wouldn't exist if Russia wasn't such a pariah, yet not once has NATO ever invaded Russia.
Pac-Man… no it’s exactly the right question. Why does Russia’s security matter more than Ukraine s? We all know this isn’t about security it’s an imperialist move to expand Russia’s borders and get the natural gas finds on Ukraine territory…. Putin knows nato is defensive and it’s hard to get 30 members to agree on anything. This conflict is 100% his fault
@@pacmanlp8876 his fear wasn't and isn't logical. It basically boils down to his puppet got scared and fled. Ukraine wasn't even close to getting NATO membership and even if they were they have any right to. Russia's violated the agreements throughout the years but suddenly it's "oh but ukraine violated the agreements". Or they talk about the hostilities that the Ukrainians are doing but we have more evidence for Russian hostilities and warcrimes than the Russians have for Ukrainian hostilities and warcrimes.
And if you really trust Putins word remember this. He blames Poland for the start of WW2. Isn't it weird someone who is supposedly fighting nazi's uses Nazi propaganda to justify the invasion of Poland by the Nazis and Soviets?
You are right. Ukrainian Nazis and USA are to blame 100%
People in the West really need to focus on independent media to understand whole thing about Ukraine.
It's crystal clear what's going on, and I don't need the media from either side telling me their side of the story. Russia invaded, period. They have a sh-t army, period. Ukraine is putting up a stiff fight. Putin managed to single handedly galvanize NATO's resolve and pull Sweden and Finland into NATO. On top of that, he's going to be the one at the helm as his sovereign debt defaults. Putin effed up in a big way.
What would that independent media be? RT? 🙄
@@Loonypapa maybe. we will see. it is russian neighborhood we are talking about, not american. americans have no business over there. you better pay attention to your problems at home.
@@Loonypapa th-cam.com/video/EhgWLmd7mCo/w-d-xo.html sure they will invade, it is matter of their national security. it is not like ukraine is in middle east or somewhere thousands of miles away from their borders.
@@edishodzic2141 Actually, Ukraine is in Europe. It's a European neighborhood. And it will probably be part of NATO after all of this is over.
Isn't it delicious, to see someone who has been wrong all along trying at all costs to evade the facts? He would rather have his right arm chopped off than admiting that the people who were on the other side of this issue were right.
He acts like my dog when I turn the water on.
I had to watch twice, Oliver Stone to us seems Very biased but I'm getting the picture that he's forcing the bias to get into the mindset of the Russian invasion better. It's uncomfortable to hear him say certain things that are flippantly false with extensive evidence freely available, for sure.. but sometimes it's more important to see from the other side to understand.
And what exactly is flippantly false in your opinion? I haven’t find one falsehood .
@@pepper0604 im traveling right now, im going to edit this later. If i have enough time, i'll include timestamps and detailed info
Mr. Stone has a very interesting position about the rights of nation-states. He seems to suggest that if a country takes territory of another country, the country whose territory was lost should not attempt to cover it. So, I assume he would be OK with the annexation of Alaska by Russia, the annexation of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California by Mexico, and the states along the US - Canadian border by Canada. He definitely has an anti-Ukrainian bias.
I agree. He has a quite perverted logic in many respects throughout the interview. A lot like listening a disinformation narrative by an FSB agent, I have to say. That was my firm impression. Talking from experience, from Hungary.
Alaska was SOLD to the US. And the states you mention are Mexicos rightful territory much more than the US. But of course the original native Americans are the only ones who have an actual case for “ownership” even though the natives didn’t subscribe to that concept.
It’s kind of funny how you think your comment shoots down Stone’s argument, but if you actually believe and follow international law, territory cannot be taken by force.
Crimea is very complicated because it was a part of the Russian SSR. But was gifted to the Ukrainian SSR in the 1950s I believe. But the population there is overwhelmingly supportive of Russia. And what Putin did was illegal, but this was due to the extremist leadership of Ukraine as Oliver Stone has stated and documented.
@@lampegutt123 Thank you so much in engaging in conversion.
I am feeling a little confused about the first paragraph of your comment.
I hear saying that because Alaska was sold (notwithstanding the issue of native Alaskans whom the Russian Empire appropriated the territory from), so Russia should have no claim on it. I am understanding your line of reasoning correctly.
While you concede that Mr. Putin's actions are illegal, you also justify his illegal action by citing the "extremist leadership of Ukraine."
I would be grateful if you help me better understand your point more clearly.
1. How is the Ukrainian leadership "extreme"? Are you open to giving some specific examples that would help clarify your view for me?
2. You seem to suggest that if a nation deems that another nation has an extremist government it has a right to invade the country and other countries should just stand by let the invasion happen? For example, if the US decides that Belarus has an extremist government, Russia should not support Belarus. but support the US's invasion?
I look forward to your reply so I can better understand your line of reasoning.
Thank you again for your thought-provoking reply.
@@resrussia Firstly, thanks a lot for your constructive comment! You’re right that the natives of Alaska were never asked for their opinion on the matter.
The current leadership of Ukraine was instituted illlegaly by a violent mob( who were in fact heavily funded by the CIA) to keep Ukraine from signing a trade agreement with Russia. Lukanhesko actually chose the deal based largely on the fact that it was more beneficial for Ukraine. This can be verified by anyone.
But America for some reason was hell bent on dragging Ukraine into NATO.
And so they supported a coup against a democratically elected government (the election was determined fair and transparent by many different commissions) you could compare it to a successful Version of the January 6th events in Washington D.C
When in stead the Ukrainians could have voted Lukanhesko from office through elections. Neither Russia nor America had the right to interfere in the democratic process of Ukraine. And after this successful coup, American military support gained steam and Russi saw this as a major threat. They had proposed a neutral Ukraine previously akin to Finland, but America was not interested. And so I have to conclude that the Americans instigated this whole terrible conflict by pulling Ukraine into the NATO alliance. Something Putin had said since 2007 was a red line. There was no justification for the coup that took place in 2014 as the president was elected legitimately.
And in addition, unless the UN passes a decision to change the regime of a country, that is the only legal justification for this.
I used to respect Oliver Stone. Now i dont know
Лекс, добавляй русские субтитры к видео о России пожалуйста. Понимаем, но детали можем упускать.
там ничего интересного это люди которые очень далеки от понимания ситуации
Putin carefully choose Stone for his interview! He played him like a little baby. This is the reason Stone supports Russia. It"s hard for him to condemn Putin after all these interviews. Putin sold him his story. It makes Stone look completely stupid.
He gets paid man he’s literally on kremlin payroll and its a lot of money
@@416raptor6 I wouldn t be surprised
I’ve lost all respect for stone
@@michaelrusch1336 you"re not the only one!
Oliver Stone has always fearlessly pursued the truth, no matter how unpopular his views. He’s never bowed to anyone and he’s certainly not supporting Russia. He’s explaining the situation as clearly as he can.
Stone doesnt make logic. Ukraine can send a 100k troops to Donbass. There is nothing illegal about that. Comparing that to Russia putting 100k on ukraine border....and illegally putting them over the border isnt an argument. His further points that ukraine should of done more to appease russia earlier.....Russia just took Crimea from them in 2014, does he not think that action would of hardened ukraines opinion toward russia 2014-2022
What about the illegal coup in 2014?
@@nickradic what does the ukraine 2014 revolution give Russia any right to break international law?
@@morganmcdonagh2663 The people in the eat of the country largely voted for Yanukovych in an election that was recognized by international observers. They decided they did not want to be part of an ultra nationalist Ukraine.
@@nickradic no they did not!..the Russians ran a forced election under a military rule in a country in which they are breaking international law. The results of such an election are worthless
Tankies 👍
What's with blaming Ukraine for bombing Donbas. What would he want the usa to do if Mexico was arming new mexico pro mexican militia and claim their independance?