Rob Gronkowski vs. Travis Kelce: Stephen A. and Max choose the greater tight end | First Take
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- Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman decide between Rob Gronkowski or Travis Kelce as the greater tight end in his prime ahead of Super Bowl LV between Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, and Tom Brady and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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Gronkowski is literally on the ALL-TIME team.
Yeah off championship off skill Kelce is better besides blocking
@@kaylynalexander7300 bruh "besides blocking" thats a huge part of being a TE, its like saying Lamar is better than Mahomes besides throwing accurate
@@aramisheredia4724 depends on the offense though.
@@kaylynalexander7300 you can’t just say “besides blocking” when part of the job of a tight end is blocking
Comparing Gronk to Kelce is like comparing Shaq to Hakeem. Gronk is just physically more dominant, while Kelces game is more finesse/skill.
Gronk is the most dominant and best tight end ever. You needed 3 or 4 guys to cover prime Gronk. This isn't even a question.
Kelce has more 1k seasons in less years
And they had to go for his legs in order to stop him.
@@bradyisthegoatdeal1492 I don't agree with you at all. Brady got sacked, pressured, and threw 2 interceptions (should have been 4, if it wasn't for two drops by the DB's) in the regular season lost to the Chiefs. Gronk didn't help out in the efforts of blocking for Brady or Jones. Also, you don't have a TE on the field to block. You have him out there for 3rd down and Red Zone conversions. Blocking is a bonus (which he's good at) but the Chiefs laid off the gas pedal all season long and have flipped the switch. Both teams are trending upwards at the right time but Gronk vs. Kelce in this game. Kelce by a mile.
@@jlm7060 😂😂
I'll give him 2 TD'S 😂😂
No Tight End is as good as 2011 Gronk that is a fact.
Tony Gonzalez
2014, 2015 or 2017. It's just incomparable.
@nicelemon2 sir?
Facts
He ran through people like madden lol
Not a person on planet Earth would take Kittle or Kelce over Gronk if you could have a healthy young Gronk. We've never seen a player be able to drag 3 players 30 yards down the field. Gronk was an absolute wild animal.
yes we did even though i would give gronk the slight edge all time tight ends because gronk actually won a superbowl while this guy didnt and he is TONY GONZALEZ
Man said Kelce wasn’t playing when Prime Gronk was around. Kelce was drafted in 2012, Gronk in 2010. Both of them were born in 1989. Lol.
And you didn't even take into account his superiour blocking
Bro little did this exact thing
I'll take 5 straight 1,000 yard seasons... Going on 6 potentially... Lol
Gronk heard all this nonsense and showed them who's who.
Yeah but kelce is still the better player right now🤷🏽♂️
@@robertsawney7901 right now not if they were both in their prime
@@robertsawney7901 not if Gronk unretire, SB 55 = Gronk > Kelce
@@arylumbanraja nope. Kelce still had 133 yards and 10 catches
@@therealdakshina1051 only 1 super bowl title, gronk > kelcunt
Gronk after seeing this:
I took it personality 😤
Personally
Man GRONK is better than all the Tight Ends. He already Surpassed Tony Gonzales and Travis Kelce is not even in the league with Gronk.
No question gronk cuz he can block better unquestionably, and when he caught the ball he was dangerous after the catch
Facts. Kelce is a glorified WR. Gronk at his peak was both the best receiving TE in the NFL and debatably the best blocking TE in the NFL.
That play in the title game....he looked like an 18 wheeler rolling down the highway with a convoy of little green cars around him. Its like they were there, but hesitant to take a shot at him because they didn't want to get steam rolled or stiff armed into oblivion.
Not to mention Gronk used to get triple teamed and Kelce sees 1 on 1 matchups every Sunday. Imagine if Gronk saw 1 on 1 matchups every Sunday. Gronk is better w contested catches, in terms of goal line fades and what not. He’s 10x the blocker of Kelce. I just don’t think this is rlly a Debate lol. If Kittle had Mahomes I think he’d be the best TE in the league lol
@@Colormomey556 True, Gronk never had a receiver like Hill that drew so much attention he could run wild. For me it ends at personality. kelic is a loud mouthed self-aggrandizing D-bag who is always running around say he's better than Gronk. Gronk is a goofball, but never says a bad word about anyone nor does anyone have a bad word to say about him.
I literally cant remember kelce making a tough catch. Andy reid is a mastermind at designing offense and kelce benefits from that greatly
Gronk just ended this Debate. ✌️
It was already ended. Best blocking TE ever. Best reciving TE Ever. Best TE ever
@@Tommyah1111 He is the greatest blocking te but when it comes to recieving i would not say he is the best
I'm not going to receiving tight end just cuz kittle and waller is in the league in the league but imo he's best te ever and best blocking te
Gronk is the best ever. The way he pushes defensive players on their butts to make more yardage is legendary.
@AT log off please.
@@lloydbonafide3398 he’s right though Derrick Henry is arguably the greatest tight end ever to do it
@@jamiet1794 but Derrick Henry is not a tight end
1000 plus yards straight five years?👀
@@lloydbonafide3398 LOL
Prime gronk easy I’ll even take his blocking now but Travis is that dude you really can’t miss with either one
Agreed but cmon, it’s Gronk
It’s Kelce by far. Who has better stats?
@@yournotthatguy2230 I’ll take gronk and his 4 rings . Gronk made an impact last night, Kelce did not. He had empty numbers
@@yournotthatguy2230 who has better stats GRONK DOES LOL
GRONK 86 touchdowns
KELCE 48 touchdowns
GRONK 15 yards per catch average
KELCE 12.9 yards per catch average
Also gronk is the WAY better blocker that’s not even a debate. Gronk has 50 less career catches but 38 more touchdowns. He only has less catches bcuz he is used to block a lot bcuz he’s so good at it. How is this even a debate.
@@coldasspiece thank you not even debatable and mind you gronk put up those numbers while missing many games due to injury
Gronk's contemporaries were Antonio Gates and Jimmy Graham. In their primes, they would be in the conversation with Kelce and Kittle. Gronk in his prime was the elite among the elite. As a receiver, his career 15 yards per reception is better than Jerry Rice and most HOF WR's. He had a season with 72 catches and averaged 16.3 YPC. So as a receiver, he could not only work the middle, but could stretch the deep middle of the field. And then in terms of blocking, he was a terrific inline blocker, and on the move as well. In his prime, he hit heights that no other TE ever achieved and no one thus far has as well, when considering all aspects of the TE position.
Kelce has more 1k seasons and more catches in their 1k seasons Kelce is truly a receiver that blocks at a high level
jimmy graham needs to go too a team that knows how too use tight ends
Thank you Stephen A just talking... its not close prime vs prime
@@MomentumMarketingTips its gronk and not even close travis cant block for the life of him
@@welkometodaparty4821 kelce doesn't block 💩
Give me Gronk in his prime, the mismatch machine.
Thing is.. they’re both the same age
Prime Gronk was literally considered the most unstoppable offensive weapon in the history of the NFL
You never seen Randy Moss or Jerry Rice play or what?
@@anthonytwaites8801 they were stoppable they can make catches yes but we're easier to tackle gronk mowed people down plus ruce used extreme amount if stickem when it was banned so that helps his case
@@simoncohen4264 moss didnt need to run people over he was already 20 yards ahead of everyone downfield or all by himself in the end zone
@@anthonytwaites8801 It takes 3 people to stop Gronk in 2011. And he still drag them to the end zone
@@asuka1604 i have seen moss make catches with one hand in triple coverage and it still didnt stop him. Gronk is an animal but he couldnt impact the game like Moss did. Tbh id take a prime antonio gates over a prime gronk.
Out-of-retirement Gronk just spanked in-his-prime Kelce once and for all. That superbowl had room for only one #87. Was this whole debate ever really a thing? Was it? Really?
It's clickbait nonsense.
Kelce is better
@@theswullnasty3353 rings are a team sport swollen dilgh
@@theswullnasty3353 lmao you're talking about one game. Jesus you're annoying lmao
@@theswullnasty3353 lmao no keep going
2011 gronk was a literal unstoppable force were refs and the league allowed chop blocks on him and knee shots to stop him ultimately it fucked some his career up but gronk in his prime was a god
Unstoppable but why he ain’t holding nfl TE records ?lol
@@lanzolukepas5526 Stats and records don't mean anything if you watch them play if you watch him play that season you see what he was cable of As they say Stats is an empty number
@@zeek1kmobilegaming941 stats aren’t empty numbers they’re records of historical events 😂😂😂
@@austinbatson5934 True but if you rely on stats too much then you won't get the big picture there are multiple nfl stars with not biggest stats but in their prime they were unstoppable Like CJ2K or Jones Drew sometimes stats can be empty number it doesn't showcast how good a player is just reflect it
@@lanzolukepas5526 he holds the most tds by a TE so gtfo
Prime Gronk was a physical specimen, double coverage never worked on him.
You had to triple
Gronk is an equivalent to Shaq or yao, unbelievable unstoppable freak in his younger years, took a toll on his body though
Yao??
@@abdelchowdhury Yao was really good for a short amount of time, but got banged up bad
Even Shaq struggled to keep it up
@@JJJameson. are you seriously comparing Shaq and Yao bro... C'mon man... Yao isn't even in the top 10 centers of all time...
@@abdelchowdhury that’s arguable he made the all star game every year of his career 🤷♂️
@@abdelchowdhury Let me check if I compared Shaq to Yao, hm, seems like I didn't...
Looks like I was only putting examples of players that were challenged by the toll in their unusual physiques, as a Zion kind of situation... Weird...
Well, thank God I can't read context
They're both great but Gronk's blocking puts him over the top for me.
Kelces numbers are going to be more padded since they play in a pathetic defensive era
@AT gronk had injuries
@AT in your logic brees and Peyton manning are the 2 greatest all time
Gronk used to score way better.Better endzone threat.
@AT Gronk had the better hands.Way better hands.Kelce just a better shiftier more fluid route runner. I would not say a much better route runner but more fluid. Gronk looks kinda sftiff running routes
Gronk came out of retirement and outperformed Kelce in that SB. If there was a debate about Prime Gronk/Kelce, it ended there. Kelce is outstanding in every way, but Gronk is the better overall TE in history
You don’t see Travis Kielce catching contested catches
Gronkowski In this point of his career has become more of blocking TE and gronk still is Tied for 3rd Rec yards.
Yeah, tight ends in general kind of sucked this year statistically other than Kelce and Waller haha.
He also missed a year
Gronk all day he just proved it again
Is this even an argument🤣🤣 Gronk is the best TE ever
Are they serious!? Gronk in his prime versus Travis ... this is getting outta hand....
Gronk is the best blocking TE of all time. Then in his prime he was the best offensive TE
Gronk in his prime was like an unstoppable locomotive.
From a Giants fan Gronk is the GOAT 💯 Everyone in the stadium and at home watching knew in crunch time Gronk was getting the ball and there was literally nothing u could do about it. He was unstoppable. Not to mention a 3X champ. Possibly 4X after Sunday. Brady to Gronk is the greatest QB/TE duo of all time.
Gronkowski better overall . Gronk had amazing hands, never dropped a ball. He also clearly has better run after contact ability . Gronk was also a touchdown machine. Bette run blocker as well.
Wrong. Kelce has better hands, he’s faster and never drops. Gronk only has him by blocking
@@bradobi154 Kelce does not have better hands. He's a better route runner
gronk is more physically dominate
if you compare their ypc stats they are about the same kelce has significally more targets compared to gronk
@@bradobi154 Kelce doesn’t have better hands not even comparable
Gronk 2011-2017 is the greatest tight end of all time. Kittle and Kelce are incredible but they got a long way to go.
Gronk in his prime 1 on 1 was uncoverable period
Nothing Kelce can do can make him surpass Gronk on the all time TE list.
Gronk own the TE game for 9 years, Kelce has never. He still battling Kittle for that title and Waller is creeping up.
9 years? I’d say a great 4-5 years after that, the guy can’t stay healthy
Kelce doesn't have any competition!
Waller a straight dawg definitely doesn’t get the credit he deserves
Well put
🙄 Gronk was the most dominant non-QB offensive weapon for 5 years. Gronk is the greatest TE ever.
Gronk was gone for 2 years so ofc kelce stats gone look better
One year q
@AT Jimmy was a beast but he's played like 40 more games
He was drafted three years before Kelce tho
@AT wrong Gronk has missed more games due to injury and if I’m correct it’s almost 2 to 2 1/2 seasons worth of games that Gronk has missed.
I also noticed it says “Since 2013” which is when Kelce came to the league. Gronk started in 2010. I hate ESPN, so misleading
And what TE had 2 TD's in Super Bowl 55?
Well Gronk just ended this fcking "debate"
Gronk was literally being triple teamed back in 2010-2013 era.
Shannon: But here's the thing Skiuuuup, I'm the tight end GOAT, unless Lebron comes to the NFL
nah bro, even shannon say gronk is the best at TE
🤣🤣😂😂🤣💯
@@R33ee he was trying to be funny dude
@@louburgunde9719 I understand bro hahahaha I watched undisputed regularly too
@@R33ee I feel you, it was just that line he had Shannon sharp down to a tee sort of especially with the LeBron comment 🤣
First 111 games
Kelce 7881yds 48td 612rec
Gronk 7709 yds 76td 509rec
Over 100 less receptions but 28 more td
Gronk was always doubled even tripled teamed. Kelce gets a lot of 1 on 1s since Hill gets a lot of attention. Imagine if Kelce was doubled like Gronk every single game.
I'll take Gronk everytime. He's the prototypical tight end, can catch the ball and can block 1on1 against the best edge and pass rusher of the other team. And he just proved once again in this super bowl why he is the best tight end ever in football
gronk in his prime was simply different. The reason this is even a conversation is because gronk was injured so much, because the only way to bring him down was by nailing him in the knees
Does anybody remember just a few years ago people were calling Travis Kelce “baby Gronk”? Gronk is all time no question about it
Yeah totally
And now Kelce is on pace to become a top 3 TE of all time
@@s.s7337 doesn't matter where Travis "I-can't- block-to-save-mahomes-so-i'll-just-run around-and-do-nothing" Kelce lands in the All time list since Gronk is number 1 or number 2 (between him and Tony G really) TE of All time.
@@hittkid6312 Still an all time great and future HOF. Nobody can't take that away from him 🤷 And it's funny how Mahomes gets all the credit when they win but it's everybody else's fault when they struggle😂 Anyways, without Kelce Mahomes would've had under 100 passing yards😂 They were getting to him with 4 so if you put your most reliable receiver to block then Kansas City offense would've been even worse.
@@s.s7337 Ok but I don't want anyone talking about him being greater than Gronk ever. Because that SB performance tells me even his coach did not trust his blocking ability and his route running isn't enough to get open quickly to relieve pressure off mahomes.
edit: also most of his "yards" went nowhere so I would have rather he blocked and gave Mahomes some more time. Also most of his Yards were in the 3rd or 4th quarter so they were garbage time yards.
Prime Gronk could turn a hitch into a 60 yard touchdown
Gronk and it isn’t really close. TE are meant to block and not only is he the most dominant blocker in the position but as a catcher, the opponents had to go for his knees.
I love the unanimous gronk answers. Perfect
Recency bias on kelce lately, people forget how unguardable prime gronk
And you can say the same about Tony G.
Kelce has been doing this for Over 5 years tf is you talking about him and gronk are the same age
@@Dman_chiefen96 right, Kelce average 1000+ yards receiving from 2016 til now like cmon now
@@Dman_chiefen96 People have different primes ya tard
@@Dman_chiefen96 and Gronk still superior
If dropping passes in the most important game n you’re life puts u up there with gronk then I don’t know what to say anymore 🤦♂️
Total Career - Gronk
Right now - Kelce
Agreed but Kelce gonna catch gronk one day with Patrick Mahomes
@@verxs_2338 Nah Kelce aint getting better he still is a weak blocker
This aged well
Gronk just scored 2 TD!
You have watch gronk during his years to understand how dominant this guy to me gronk is the greatest tightend I ever seen and it’s not even close
Everybody forgets about how insane Tony Gonzalez was because he was on bad teams :(
He was a perfect combination of blocking and receiving, I wish he could have been on teams as good as the Patriots were or the Chiefs are now
If you say "amazing blocking" and Tong G, you've just revealed that you don't actually know what you're talking about...(No shot at G. Dude is in Canton for a reason, but blocking ain't it)
Tony Gonzalez was a horrible blocker. He’s not in the goat convo cause the man just wasn’t a winner in the league. He played over 15 seasons though so his stats are gonna look great.
I firmly believe that Aaron Hernandez would be the Best TE of all time.
Gronk is the GOAT tight end. There is no way, the 2011 Gronk loses, to any tight ends.
Kelce is the best TE in the game right now. But lets not get it twisted, Gronk in his Prime was something else. When the Broncos defense was the *legit* "No Fly Zone", Gronk straight up solo blocked Von Fricken Miller and drew coverage attention from prime Aqib Talib. Dude single handedly was nullifying two prime pro-bowlers at the same time. Imagine if a defensive players could sack a QB and shut down a WR, thats how scary prime Gronk was to face. Denver was willing to commit 2 Pro-Bowlers to 1 guy cause the reward of taking him out far out-weighed the risk of him wrecking the game.
I love how these guys never talk about what a TE actually does. They think of only the receiving stats. The truth is that they aren't WR's, you have to apply blocking to the argument as well. Btw Smith definitely went off of numbers.
It took three defenders to take
Him down and he would still drag them. That’s why he was always hurt. Gronk was just different in his prime.
If Aaron Hernandez never messed up I’m telling everyone now he would’ve probably went down as greatest tight end.
Aaron 💯 perCent would be in this Conversation rite now with those three if he didn't fuCC up on GanG
gronk was way better than hernandez like it wasnt close. Hernandez was still very good and would have made multiple pro bowl.
Word he was dope him a gronk was unstoppable
Gronk joined the NFL shortly after a back injury/surgery, and still dominated despite all his many injuries, to me, that proves he is the GREATEST TE EVER.
Stephen a tripping gronk was like the Calvin Johnson of tight ends
They compared stats from 2013 to now but Gronk is that high and he retired
Gronk came to the league before Kelce tho and he retired for one year then came back and had like 680 yards receiving this season while Kelce had 1000+ yards receiving this season
This is kind of insulting, it’s Gronk. There shouldn’t have been any doubt lmao.
As a chiefs fan Gronk>Kelce
Kelce can’t block a sack of mash mellow
“Age, attrition” what am I listening to? They’re the same age!
Prime Gronk is a FREAK.
The difference is Gronkowski is more deadlier than Kelce if the game is on the line Gronk gets the last pass over Kelce easily.
I've been watching Gronk for years and can't remember 5 drops that hit him in the paws.
You know what the difference is... When the game is on the line, who would you rather have? I think it's been concluded
People forget Jimmy Graham was close to Gronk's Tier back then
Big boy Graham is sadly washed now
But he was soft
That one handed catch he made at the end of the game vs the saints was amazing. U see the flashes.
I think Kelce vs Graham is a better debate tbh, people forget Graham was the best pass catching tight end for a lil minute. He was even trying to renegotiate his contract to get paid like a receiver at the time. Kc uses Travis Kelce the same way NO used graham, KC just been more consistent with they’re system & Kelces made a hall of fame career out of it. But if you’re talking about overall who’s a better Tight end? Gronk in a league of his own. I don’t think there’s ever been a more Accounted for player then Gronk. So many teams have tried to gameplan around gronk over the years and failed horribly, as a Steelers fan believe me😔
@@eduardobarragan1396 well put. That's just reality and anyone who says different is either delusional or under the age of 18 and just aren't aware of the truth.
Well this conversation aged well 🤣🤣
In their primes, Gronk is boss for the rest. He’s a TE, he’s a WR and he’s a OT, all wrapped up into one - and he’s bigger and stronger, too. LMAO, it isn’t even in the equation.
I feel like Max always asks himself before a take "what can I say here in order to minimize what Brady has done?"
Lol...agree!
Today: Kelce
All time : Gronk
Tony G*
@@NarutofightsHD1 I was just comparing Gronk and Kelce but yes
Kelce is Elite, but Gronk has 600+ more career receiving yards with 46 less receptions.
Gronkowski's best season: 1300+ yards and 17 TD's.
Kelce's best season: 1300+ yards and 11 TD's.
Regardless how you order them, they are the Top 2 Tight Ends of All Time.
Tony Gonzalez?
Travis Kelce played with Alex Smith and never played his rookie season in 2013.
Kelce put up 1400+ yards and 11 TDs don’t short change him.
Kelce’s TD production will only continue to go up that’s the main separation between him and Gronk. Gronk was unstoppable in the red zone.
Shannon sharpe?
Antonio Gates, Shannon Sharpe, Tony Gonzalez??
@@Devin_MMA a close 3rd.. Kittle has the chance to take 3rd though if he stays healthy. Shannon Sharpe is 4th imo right now
This is silly. A healthy prime Gronk is the biggest freak the nfl ever had. 6’6 275lbs. The frame of a left tackle and runs like an athletic receiver. Blocks pro bowl edge rushers like left tackles
That's a good one. When you cant quantify just go, "I'm not going by the numbers, hence my argument is indisputable".. 😂
lmao if Brady had Gronk in his prime for this superbowl bucs would’ve scored 50+ points. Kelce is pro bowl great and future hof but Gronk is the best EVER at that position
Crazy how were saying Travis is in his Prime when him and Gronk are the same age
Shows ppl peak different time
Wait, are we talking ever? Because it's Gronk and it's not close. Gronk in his prime is the best and most dominant TE ever. He was on another level. The difference with the numbers is Kelce gets more volume. Kelce is great, and the best TE playing right now.
Gronk isn't in his prime but won the Superbowl head-to-head against Kelce in his prime. Why is this a debate right now? Ratings? To kill time?
Gronk was getting pretty good separation in Super Bowl 55, lol
When you realize they both are 31 years old!!
It’s 100% Gronk without question lmao whole teams had to change up defensive schemes for this one guy only. It’s no debate
1st is GRONK...now turn your head aaaaand...10 seconds later there is Kelce.
Lol bro gronk is basically a walking legend like brady. Even though he's def not the same this yr he's still one of the best. If kelce wins a couple more with mahomes....then we can start comparing
Prime 2010-2017 Gronk when healthy is the 2nd best WR/TE ever after Jerry Rice
Gronk & Brady have THE most post-season passing touchdowns by any duo EVER. Post-season stats are always against the hardest defenses and in the biggest stages. Stop comparing Kelce to Gronk until he earns it to be in the same conversation.
Kelce is a big receiver that plays TE position. He cant physically dominate people like Gronk.
Gronk carry defense on his back😂
Gronk is the best. Remember that Stephen A
Gronk is the only TE to be legitimately considered for MVP and one season he should've received the award. He was the best player on the best team that season. Enough said!
This is honestly not even hard. Gronk is way better than any other TE. Gronk was a REAL TE. Show me some highlights of Kelce blocking guys. I'm not waiting because he doesn't block. He's a receiver
Here after the super bowl... I wonder their thoughts now
Who here after Super Bowl 🐐
The only knock against Gronk was his injuries in recent years. He's as great a catcher as any TE in history, and very likely THE best blocking TE ever. Plus he's proven himself to be clutch, while Kelce dropped numerous passes in this past SB.
Prime Gronkowski was the single biggest offensive mismatch in the NFL. He blocked Haloti Ngata in his prime 1 v 1, had an enormous catch radius, deceptively fast and dragged defenders with him. You simply could NOT single cover Gronk. The only person who had some success against him was Eric Berry. Then people started going low on him since it was impossible to tackle him high and he got injured because of it.
Kelce is great too but, Gronk highlights look better though🤣🤷🏾♂️
GRONK THE 3X CHAMP!!
GRONK THE 4X CHAMP!! 🏆🏆🏆🏆
You did bring it up 😭 5 vs 4 1000 yard receptions was your comparison
All 3 are great, but only one was a devastating, game breaking, weapon that made elite defenders look silly. Gronk.