Patrick Mahomes TOP 3️⃣ ALL TIME DEBATE 🍿 Does he join Tom Brady & Joe Montana already? | First Take
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- Patrick Mahomes TOP 3️⃣ ALL TIME DEBATE 🍿 Does he join Tom Brady & Joe Montana already? | First Take
Stephen A. Smith, Michael Wilbon, Ryan Clark and Dan Orlovsky react to the Kansas City Chiefs defeating the Philadelphia Eagles to win Super Bowl LVII.
0:00 Is Patrick Mahomes a top-three QB in NFL history?
3:38 Stephen A. isn't putting Mahomes ahead of Joe Montana yet
9:06 Comparing Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurts in the Super Bowl
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Those Aaron Rodgers is the goat argument against Brady died real quick when Mahomes entered the league.
No one with a functioning brain 🧠 ever said that Rodgers was better than Brady... Rodgers is not even a top 5 QB of all time. I can even put Mahomes above Rodgers right now
@@axlsg6511 didnt watch football talk shows between 2013-2018
@@axlsg6511 A good number of people on ESPN were saying Rodgers was the GOAT over Brady. When Mahomes entered the league it died down. Then with Mahomes lighting up the league, that narrative transferred to him.
@@axlsg6511 There definitely was that narrative being pushed around. Stephen A and Charles Woodson especially. Im sure the Fox sports shows they were trying hard to argue that point as well.
Then Mahomes happened and everyone started sucking him off and forgot about Rodgers.
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I cannot put into words how jealous I am of the Chiefs for having Patrick Mahomes in his prime!
Nah fr😭😭😭😭😭
He ain’t even in his prime yet I feel like….. 28-38 will be where he takes over frfr
Crazy thing is he is just entering his prime 😱
Facts
Nah he gonna have that Ben trajectory
I'm glad Jalen Hurts is getting his credit. He and his offense played extremely well and I don't even fault him for dropping the ball, it happened to Mahomes in the AFC championship game as well and the way Hurts picked it up again and scored right after says a lot about his skill and maturity.
Jalen been clutch. Media been hating
Dallas fan here and I completely agree, it hurts to say it cus I hate Philly but they gon be in good hands for a while with Hurts at Qb
@@EJ-cy6fv me too. i hate that that dude is in philly. jalen hurts is truly a top 5 qb in the league right now.
I wonder why they ain't run saunders more
@@davidjohnson6465 right, was he hurt?!
Top 3 right at the age at 27. He’s going to continue and level up.
To bad the final boss is so so far ahead he will never be caught
@@DM-sc9rg we’ll see
@@DM-sc9rg the rings will be the only reason brady will be better this dude mahomes is already better than brady was in terms of individual play
@@spillz4259 mahomes will not have kelce or reid many more years
@@DM-sc9rg this will be another MJ and Lebron debate moving on to the NFL.. "but but but brady has 7 rings." I could see it now smh
This was one of the best SB games in recent history. All the story lines were there, the best QB in the AFC vs. the best QB in the NFC, master (Reid) vs. pupil (Siriani), brother vs. brother.
And the game lived up to the hype. Both teams played amazing.
The game lived up to the script…gotta use the script to make money off bets
@emanuelgarcia7946 Well, it was a great script.
@@michaelcurd1923 best since 52, though I think that game was better since there wasn’t a flag that became a big story
It was a boring game really
“I think he Paul Pierced us” 😂😂
😭😭😭😭🔥🔥🔥
With this SB win, Mahomes has distanced himself so far from Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts that I think they'll never be able to catch up.
They were never close btw !! ESPN does it for show
With this win Mahomes distanced himself from the Hall of Famers like Drew Brees, Payton Maning and Aaron Rodgers. The guys you mentioned are far behind him and are not close to the guys I mentioned yet and maybe never will be.
@@dusan.stojanovic I'm not comparing Mahomes to the past great QB's, I'm comparing him to the current new batch of great QB's. Every day on this show they keep debating on who will be the next Brady and I'm just saying Mahomes has pretty much ended that debate..........for now. They just have a steep mountain to climb to reach his level of greatness!
Montana was fun to watch like maholmes! I can honestly say Montana Era and all the surgeries he had how did he win 4 and was perfect in the superbowls is unreal js ... maholmes next Montana and better arm js ....
@Ispeakz And the 4 guys he listed has 0 combined. So what’s your point?
I grew up watching Manning,Brees,Brady,Rodgers etc, Mahomes is the most complete qb I’ve ever seen.
Mahomes is in the top 5, but I will say that he is the most talented for sure! I can't put him over Montana. I think this discussion should be revisited in about 3-4 years.
I'm a huge Peyton fan being raised in Indy & always hated/shaded Brady. After this SB win I have Mahomes above Peyton. Brady, Montana, Mahomes, Peyton, & Marino are my top 5. Mahomes is by far the most talented QB the NFL has ever seen.
As someone who grew up hating Brady, I think any talk about Mahomes being greater or matching his SB wins is just plain disrespectful. We need to appreciate how GREAT Brady rly was!
@@lnss8775 Well said, I'm not so sure I would put him over the Sheriff "Peyton Manning just yet. The guy has 5 MVP'S 2 chips, and his statistics are ridiculous! Let's also not forget, he pretty much called all the offensive plays from the field, he didn't need an Andy Reid.
Ik this is about mahomes but can we show some love to Isaiah Pacheco and Sky Moore? A couple rookies who went to the super bowl and handled they business like some grown men 💪🏿
Let's not forget Nick Bolton.
yessir i love those guys
Yeah, they balled out. The stage wasn't too big for them. The Chiefs have a serious knack for drafting good players. I remember telling people they would be fine after letting Hill go. They can plug anyone into that offense and keep rolling. It's scary
And Andy Reids play calling
And the pre snap motion 😭🔥
John Elway had 95 career interceptions by the time he threw his 100th touchdown pass. Patrick had 19. They're not the same. The game was different back then, but that's staggering... and TD/INT DOES translate between era's. You can't tell me otherwise. I get total passing touchdowns and total passing yards being a moot topic because they didn't throw like they do now, but you can't just intentionally leave out quarterback win %, QBR/Rating, TD/INT ratio, completion %, and on down the line. Those are all metrics that translate. Through 5 years starting, it's not close who the GOAT is. It's his to lose.
He legit has a chance at breaking Brady's records. The guy is really special and Chiefs should be thankful everyday for him falling in that draft to them
Just won his second SB congratulations but dudes 27 Brady was going after his 4th super bowl relax buddy 🤣
He will have a higher peak but I don’t think he catches Brady championship or 10 SB appearances.
@@Love.hammer999 Brady was game manager by that time
Brady got bailed out a bunch. Mahomes needs luck to get 7. If he gets 4 or 5 he is better than Brady.
It will take him till he is 38 to 41 years old to beat bradys records
Crazy thing is he is only gonna get better congrats to him and the chiefs
It’s crazy that he’s like 27-3 against his division
Montana has 2 more Rings, double Mahomes TDS and 4 less picks in SBs in only one more SB than mahomes. Cmon now.
Based on quantifiable metrics - currently Pat’s individual(not team based) statistics, performances and achievements, at this point in his career, are far ahead of any other QB in NFL history(including Tom), at this same point, in their respective careers.
Whatever motivation you may have to entertain a debate about a hypothetical occurrence decades in the future, is meaningless and fruitless. It is a debate with zero conclusion of it in your control - as only time passing by can answer it. As such, it serves no purpose and has no validity, except to your ego/super ego.
This is all indisputable.
Mahomes is still 27 he is still in his prime, so if the teams in the AFC do not get their act together he is going to surpass that
@@eugenewood721 Eugene Relax 😂🤣. Can you give me some quantifiable metrics on Mahomes 5 TDS 4 INTS 3 Fumbles In 3 SuperBowls please? 😂🤣
@@eugenewood721 can I get some quantifiable metrics on why Mahomes is averaging 1.66 TDS 1.33 INTS per Super Bowl please ? 😂🤣🤣🤣
@@23evulp8 I am completely relaxed, why would I not be? My life is great, and every day is better than the last. And it has been that way since birth. Do you only comment on social media when you are not relaxed?
You already stated them. Nobody is perfect, and expecting perfection is a fools errand. 2-1 in SB’s with 2 SB MVP’s is still winning though.
Now, look at Pat’s total career individual(not team based) statistics, performances and achievements after 5 years of starting. Which is far ahead of every other QB in NFL history(including Tom), at the same point, in their respective careers.
Good QB, good coach, and arguably the greatest tight end to all be on the same team, how did the Chiefs get so lucky! Honestly we’re all lucky to witness these 3 guys combine for some entertaining next level football!
I keep hearing about the number of sacks by the eagles this season. Given that they always (most games) had a big lead by half time, how many of those sacks were in the second half of games? I think the defense was not accustomed to needing to make adjustments at half and it showed. The more experienced staff on KC was better than the staff on Phili.
They were not accustomed to Playing Mahomes who can elude rushers.
@@Hombre_AstutoNo.
He’s top 3 of all time. Love Peyton, but struggled come post season as well as Rodgers. Mahomes is a 2x SB champion, 2x SB MVP, 2x league MVP, 5x Pro Bowler, two time First Team Team All-Pro. 5 consecutive AFC Championship games, and not even one playoff game on the road. First year without Tyreek, led the NFL in passing yards, TD’s, No 1 passing offense and offense in the NFL. And he’s 11-3 in the playoffs, counting Super Bowls. And the crazy part, he’s only 27.
As a Colts fan, I was disappointed with a lot of Peyton's playoff performances. Some of those Colts teams were absolutely stacked and he blew it in some of those games. He should be up there with Brady when it comes to rings
@@Ray__E Yupp, Peyton should’ve had 2 more rings, Atleast 1 more against the saints. Hawks blew em out and colts were leading against the saints, saints score before 1/2 time, come out and onside kick it & gets it back. Peyton & the colts should’ve won that SB against the saints.
Can’t put him over Peyton yet. 2 rings 5 mvps
I’m not putting him over Peyton yet
All great points but I feel that he needs to win 2 more to be compared to Brady and Montana, he is on the right track
The glazing is strong on this segment
I swear
The Chiefs are structuring their team to make a run at multiple Superbowls. That's why Patrick said he's more concerned with Superbowls wins and legacy.
When Stephen A Smith said Mahomes could get to a 4th Super Bowl again that’s basically a smack in the face to the other AFC teams. If I’m Cincinnati and Buffalo we can’t allow KC constantly getting the 1 seed every year in the playoffs.
Agreed. If that isn't a wake up call to even the chargers and the jags to get more talent so they can go at the 1 seed too, idk what is
@@dredeer1071 Everybody in the sports media sucking off Mahomes and the chiefs by guaranteeing them to another super bowl appearance/win. This isn’t basketball this is football and you depend on a lot of men to win championships.
@@dredeer1071 Even though the rule changes are way different compared to the 80s it’s still football.
@@coldoneeli4107 Bye the way, LeBron sucks...
@@coldoneeli4107 mahomes just won the SB with 8 starting rookies and B level receivers
What evidence do you have that the chiefs won't be back?
Crazy what he did this year after losing one of the best recievers in the league! Wow...
Brady is in a whole different stratosphere. Leave him out.
you only say that due to rings which is stupid
@@kalix975 um also because he played till his mid 40s which Mahomes will never do and because he’s got all the records. But the most impressive thing is his longevity. Nobody will ever have it.
@@giovannirodriguez4444 i get that but records and rings dont make you goat, its the eye test
@@giovannirodriguez4444 you don't know Mahomes personally. You don't know if he would want to play in his 40s 🙄
@@juanthompson8016 He may want to play till his mid 40s like Brady but that don’t mean he would be good like Brady was but anything can happen.
There's only so much you can do against the Chiefs offense. Jalen's turnover for a touchdown lost them the game.
Nah Eagles defense lost them that game.. After that fumble, Eagles were up 24-14 at the half and the defense made not a single stop
@@buddharocks492 , yes you are right. Eagles defense was horrible second half. Coaching in all three areas was horrible too. But the fumble was a big play too. Another play was the other supposed fumble. Eagles dodged a bullet there.
He’s definitely top 5 QB of All Time that’s one thing
Thats where I am at. I for sure give him Top 5, but idk if i can put him top 3 YET. If he gets another chip, he enters that top 3 talk.
@@Ornitorrincopozolero it’s hard for me to put him top 3 because I have TB, Montana, and Peyton over him even thou they have same amount of SB wins
@Hoover Redman that's also who I have top 3. Peyton right now wins jt because of the MVPs imo. But if Mahomes gets another SB and either an MVP or super bowl finals MVP, then I have to put him above Peyton.
@@hooverredman5167Patrick has the same amount of super bowls Brady has seven Montana has Four. He has two like Peyton and Eli.
Both of those young men are special and we will see them in a rematch one day I believe
I would die on the pitch for Patrick. I'm pretty sure this is the mentality in the team he can create. He is a true leader, even with an injury, he is skilled like crazy, his arm, coordination, cleverness, athleticism... Just great. And young and likable. My No. 1 for years now.
Stephen A. really sneezed in his hands. Lol
Stephen A talked about the era Joe played in and how it was more physical yet forgets to mention the cap wasn't a thing so he could always get the best players around him at any time
So did other teams on the defensive side of the ball.
@@HitsTownUSA So did the 49ers Defense. Just stop with the logical fallacies and argumentative paradoxes.
He’s top 4 all time as a QB … one more SB puts him in the top 3. I didn’t put him top 3 because of Peyton’s 5 MVP’s… that’s just me tho. 🤷🏽♂️💯 and I hate the era argument because of the fact that these guys can’t control when they’re born… they’re just born, so I never really thought that the era argument was a strong one. 🤷🏽♂️
@thehoot79 The defenses were much better back then. The off seasons were better, the pre seasons were better, players were prepared for week 1. Now it's takes teams until week 6 to adjust..
The schemes in general were better, player wise teams were deeper and could run 3-4, and run 4-3. QB's, in order to be elite had to study and read protections and coverages. Patrick is doing that, but not on a level that Troy Aikman, Steve Young could do at this point. Patrick usually reads on 1, then tries to make a play. That works today, and he's the best at it. The college Qb is way more successful in this era...
Patrick would still be successful in any era. But he'd have more turnovers for sure, he'd have the success Bret Favre had. Brett Favre would kill every record if he played in this era.
The DNA in Archie Mannings ball sack gave Peyron all the genes to dominate the league, except for the clutch gene. Eli got that gene.
That’s fair to me.
Love Montana as one of the top QB's all time and the point about how hard it was to play in that time is valid. However it wasn't until near end of his era the league started the salary cap, revenue share and free agency to make the league more competitive. This had a huge effect on smeller market teams as they could now have a chance to build a roster and compete with teams who before could just spend whatever they wanted to buy their way into championships. Mahomes and other QB's from this era must do more with a lesser roster against better teams than times of old as the overall talent is spread out across the league.
Brady was a 6th round pick, all the best to Mahomes. But nothing could ever compare to expectations VS Results. TB12 will hold the top spot for a long long time.
Mahomes is up there already, man what a run he’s having. And they’re not done, the Chiefs will only get better.
Lmao here go Espn with overreaction Monday 😂😂
on god dude is not even 10 years in what if he plays 20
@@MoneyyMook then he isn't top 3, he's top 1
This stuff is so ridiculous.
@@nhd6128 he's overrated af
@broderick Crawford oh some window licker name Broderick Crawford thinks he's overrated.. shut it down ESPN, case closed
I have him at 4 as of right now.
1. Brady
2. Montana
3. P. Manning
4. Mahomes
5. Elway
He’s top 4. I still got Manning Montana and Brady over him. BUT I think he’ll definitely pass Manning tho. Already the same super bowl wins and 11 playoff wins which i think is only 2 less than Manning had his entire 17 year career.
Still way to early to tell
Peyton is out already. Choker
@@vulcanraven9701 Peyton is 14-13 in the postseason there are QBs with far worse postseason records
@@the757general2 yeah but thats still worse than Brady Montana and Mahomes.
@@vulcanraven9701 you're idiot
He is the only QB right now with any chance at getting close to Brady, Mahomes has distanced himself from the rest of the league today.
There are so many players on the field and 100s of coaching hours going into every game and we just give all the credit to one person
Well the topic is QBs
espn is obviously for casual fans undisputed actually talks football
2:55 I was about to say dang Wilbon I know there’s a rivalry between Fox and ESPN, but you can’t forget Shannon
Dude is like Mbappé, Mahomes is still young and will continue to level up his legacy just like Mbappé will especially once Messi is gone
Difference is Mbappe has competition in Haaland. I don't think any other QB comes close to Mahomes at the moment. He's well ahead of his contemporaries
People forget how great Montana and Elway were.
Sorry but these new generation qbs are better.
@@turner353 you're a prisoner of the moment
No they don’t forget how great Montana and Elway were. I saw these guys play ball in the 80s. I was born in the 80s. I saw them play in the greatest game in 1994 when the Chiefs beat the Broncos in Mile High. That drive Montana executed in Mile High was one of the greatest drives I’ve ever seen. Montana’s Niners thrashed Elways Broncos in the 1989 Super Bowl.
Number 4 behind Brady, Montana, and Manning
Mahomes > Manning easily. Peyton never had a great performance in a Super Bowl. Peyton had a top 3 regular season career but his playoff/Super Bowl career is a big knock on his resume.
He's ahead of Peyton, Manning was a choker until he came up against the Bears with Wrecks GrossMan as the quarterback, and he was a game manager for the Broncos ring
Better than Manning. Actually better than all 3 but needs to win as much as the top 2 to surpass them.
@@truuee9016 nah he’s not better than Brady
@@aoht06 Manning was THE best regular season QB. I’m not ready to put Mahomes over him yet.
This was good
I think Patrick is a great qb and he is very smart with a strong arm. But to be honest his numbers are inflated like bradys, because the defenses are not allowed to play by the league.
He hasnt passed Montana yet bruh😂😂
I'd definitely take him on Montana based on what he's able to do on the field. He's the most talented QB to ever play in the NFL. He can do it all and do it well. Do you think Montana can make the same throws as Mahomes, like jump and sidearm passes and all of the other off the script plays out of the pocket? Can he run like Mahomes? Can he avoid sacks like Mahomes? The answer is no.
Mahomes meteoric rise feels like the classic story of early success followed by later failures. But I don't see bad qualities in Mahomes that would cause him to fail. Only thing I see is he gets banged up pretty easy. That might end him sooner.
"The brightest light is the one that burns the fastest"
Top 3 Shakedown 😂. I love the HYPE‼️ Keep it coming.
One leg 💀 he walked into halftime fine lmaoooo
60s Packers
70s Steelers
80s 49ers
90s Cowboys
2000s and 2010s Patriots
2020s Chiefs?
Gotta win more championship
@@jrad410 the chiefs probably will. i mean what can stop them at this point? maybe i'll say the bengals and bills but the rest idk lol
Patrick Mahomes shut the haters right up 😂
Yeah a lot of people are quiet but the greatest QB talk is way to early to tell right now
@@UnknownRaiderGuy why is it too early? He's already got the same amount of rings Peyton Manning in 6 seasons and Manning had Marvin Harrison he's got more rings than Brees and Rodgers ALREADY
@@anthonyharrison9657 Because let’s say everything goes good next season Chiefs win back to back to back then unfortunately all of a sudden Mahomes catches a career ending injury? What now ? Does that still make him on that greatest QB talk list ? No,he’ll only be known as a great QB who had a short career. That’s why I said it’s way to early to talk wait about 7-10 years for that talk. Anything can happen from now to then. However don’t get me wrong it’s looking good right now. Even PH told those people who kept asking him over the weekend (Talk to me about that in 10 years)👍🏾
@@anthonyharrison9657 Mahomes discarded Peyton from the top 3 conversation like a used condom. That being said, the goat debates are not active until mahomes wins nore rings
Bless you👀
I love Patrick Mahomes the best talented qb I have ever seen but I can't put him in the top 3 I have him in the top 5
I have him at 4. Manning has 5 MVPs and 7 All-Pro First Teams…hard to ignore those amounts. Same amount of SBs as Mahomes, albeit he was washed in the second one.
Give Mahomes some time and let him build some longevity, I think he’ll be top 2 at worst by the end.
7x all pro not happening in this league tho , too many great QBs
Mahomes didn’t have a pretty game his 2nd game either . Hurts outplayed him
Still way to early to tell
@@kalix975 i agree on that. But Peyton was dreadful in his 2nd ring. And bad in both championships runs tbh.
@@darwenfrankie5935 , Football is not always pretty. You can’t throw for 300 yards every game. But 182 yards and 3 TD 0 int got the job done. Mahomes didn’t turn over the ball Hurts did. That was the difference.
He's forth...stop disrespecting Peyton Manning!! Peyton Manning has two super bowls and five MVPs!! FIVE!!!!
1:06 why is Dan making this face when he didn’t even have Montana in his top 5 QB list?? 😂
Mahomes is top 3 all time. First ballot hall of famer. Going by the eye test he is the most talented QB ever.
You’re high my dude
@@InuYasha2276 hes not wrong about the first part. Brady is on his own tier, then Montana. But Mahomes is definitely 3rd
@@vulcanraven9701 Way to early to tell. It’s looking good so far but wait about 7-10 years down the line to see what happens from now to then because anything can happen. Mahomes even said that himself it’s way to early to tell
@@InuYasha2276 Not going to say he’s high but he’s new to NFL and buying into what ESPN doing
ESPN knows it’s way to early to tell right now however football season officially over so ESPN doing what they can to try to talk about something to keep the NFL fans watching. Majority Gen Z kids and Chiefs fans buying into their topic right now
@@vulcanraven9701 I'm nit putting g mahomes over Peyton yet
Lol they don’t even let dudes finish their careers first
mike jordan had the statue in 93, stop acting like this is new
Don't have to when a guy does what mahomes is doing.
Dude if Pat were to retire right now, with the achievements and stats that he has, He’s easily top 5 all time. That’s what they’re arguing. And he already clears Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Rothlisberger, and Eli Manning. If he wins at least 2 more mvps and 2 more rings, he’ll easily be ahead of Aikman, Bradshaw, and Peyton
Right. Ridiculous
Mike retired that's why he got the statue Not while playing still Lol
Molly kills me yo 😂😂🤦🏾♂️ like yu can talk but stop tryna remind everyone your there . Lol
Why is Wilbon not on FT more? So much better than most of the guests , these 3 in particular are all great together - real conversation!
I love Micheal Wilbon.
This was just a good game. It had the feeling it was going to come down to who had the ball last. But man mahomes is just that dude
1.Brady
2.Montana
3.Manning
4.Elway
Thats the Mount Rushmore
Peyton, drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers. He's definitely not top 3 all time yet. Journalism is dead
Needs 3 more MVPs to catch Peyton, 2 more Superbowl wins before he catches Montana, 15 more years of good passing seasons before he has a chance at passing Brady's records.
#3 All time? Let's pump the brakes
Chill homie HE WILL NEVER BRAKE BRADYS RECORD
Name the hall of fame offensive weapons Montana played with his first two Super Bowls. Zero. People continue to forget he won’t two Bowls without Rice in an era with some of the greatest defenses ever.
Well tbh Montana had fantastic defenses those first 2 rings he won. The number 2 ranked defense in 1981 and number 1 ranked defense in 1984. Mahomes never had defenses of that calliber.
I'll give you the first one that Montana had only Dwight Clark and Freddie Solomon (but then again that was his worst superbowl with only 157 Yards and 1 TD). However, his superbowl in 1984 he had Wendell Taylor & Roger Craig in the backfield and still had Dwight Clark and Freddie Solomon. I mean Clark was an AP1 in 1982 and Roger Craig won 4 PB and AP1 in 1988. Plus their defenses ranked 1st and 2nd in ppg allowed in 1981 and 1984. Plus Montana had Bill Walsh who revolutionized how offense is played with the west coast offense.
@@petersonofleo11 That is true as well, but I will say to counter Mahomes did have the 7th ranked for ppg allowed in 2019 and even though this defense allowed a couple more points than that year they had the 2nd most sacks, so its not like he had Brees level of atrocious defenses.
@@gkearney6411 In 1982 where it was much harder to pass but that is here nor there. He had two total touchdowns, no turnovers and made the plays he had to make with decent receivers. Yes Bill Walsh invented the west coast system but at the same time Walsh admitted that there would be no him if there was no Montana. When Walsh left they won a bowl with Seiffert and the next year made it to the NFC Championship game, got hurt on a hit that would be a suspension nowadays, Roger Craig fumbles and miss out on a chance on a 3 peat.
@@petersonofleo11 Montana also did not have a Kelce and Tyreke caliber player for those first two Super Bowls either. Montana faced some of the best defenses in the NFL as well too that could kill the QB. Mahomes started his career with two future hall of fame players on offense.
Brady will always be the GOAT over Mahomes. He cooked him on the biggest stage. End of story.
Mahomes had no one that game
@@ybsnipes26 brady has hogan and edelman as his best recievers for 10 years
@@ybsnipes26 Don't matter he was suppose to get the job done like MJ...but he was LeBron
@@ashirfaruq3575 LIES! 10 years?! BS! Gronk RECEIVED the ball most of those years. Not even counting MOSS, the GOAT with Jerry Rice!!! Many QBs have seasons where TEs lead all receivers. Or RBs like Marshall Faulk, Roger Craig, Tomlinson & Priest Holmes! Stop with misinformation & distortion.
That was the Bucs Defense not Brady....
10:55
& was laughing at the 49ers defense a few weeks ago like they was so sure their defense was about to come into this SB game and dominate 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, no question. Based on talent, stats, accomplishments, and his trajectory says he should win more in the future
I don't trust Dan Orlovsky's QB analysis after his QB ranking a while back.
Agree. He’s horrible and I always wondered why do they have him on that show.
Yes he’s top 3 with him, Brady and Montana
Manning was better then Montana.
The disrespect to Peyton Manning
Did you catch this.
Stephan A. "AACCHHOOO"
"Bless you"
This has me Ded ☠☠☠☠☠🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He's already the greatest QB talent I have ever seen. Peyton Manning is the second best QB I have ever seen. Tom Brady is the most accomplished.
Tom Brady is the lucky version of Kirk cousins. One just happened to be drafted by patriots and have best defenses. The other has 30th ranked defense every season.
@@coreystenson2010 ref always on his side. Although Mahomes got some calls this year too lol.
Tom Brady the most accomplished by chance right, he didn't deserve it and didn't work for all he got LOL Some people...
@@stephanea5364 never said anything about chance, deserving, or work ethic lol
People forget Brady has a super bowl on mahomes head so he will always be #2 if he gets there lol
Yep lol. Still has a long way to go just to even come CLOSE to Brady’s ring count and then when he gets that close Brady still is 2-0 in the playoffs vs him including a SB win. And it’s not like Brady wasn’t a talented QB either cus his numbers are elite
dumb logic
Greatest QBs of all time (Not in order)
Brady,Montana,Ellway,Otto,Bradshaw
Over montana is absurd
It’s crazy how Brady needed to win 5 or 6 to be put over Montana but Patrick Mahomes with 2 is already better than Montana 😭😂
The d1ck riding is crazy
How is he better than Montana exactly? Oh and btw.. Brady would've already surpassed Montana back in 2007 if that helmet catch didn't happen, or that patriots DB didn't drop an easy Eli interception prior.
Because of the talent and production
5. Marino/Rodgers
4.Manning
3.Mahomes
2.Montana
1.Brady
@@nickymulet4819 Elway is 3
As a ravens fan, I wish our quarterback played through injuries like Mahomes😭
Pay him then
Try paying him then
Those Teams actually PAY 💰 their quarterbacks …..
@@therealfinancipation I know fr. WE NEED TO PAY THE MAN ASAP.
I'm taking Elway
Dan Orlovsky be like - who is Joe Montana ? 😂
You have to add context to Hurts' numbers. Stephen A mentioned it, he not only fumbled, he gave up a scoop 6. HUGE blow...
Then you have to consider defense, Mahomes dismantled the Eagles defense which was FAR better than the Cheifs defense this year in less time.
Hurts played unbelievably though, he shocked me with what he was doing as a passer.
Enjoy that bag sir!
Hurts definitely outplayed him tho. Mahomes got 180 yards 3 TDs. Hurts got 300 yards 4 TDs (3 were running, his Runningback was putrid btw). Plus Reid is the best coach in NFL right now
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Well 2 were just those QB sneaks where the team carries him across lol.
Still, who's defense was better? The Eagles had the better defense and Mahomes was still flawless against them. The Cheifs defense is average at best.
Also, the yardage is misleading because KC got the defensive td and the long punt return.
KC out coached the Eagles but as far as the QB battle, I thought it was even especially considering the Cheifs started the second half 21-3 with 3 straight td drives to start the 2nd half.
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Also if you mention Hurts RBs, then you have to talk about Mahomes' WRs. Other than Kelce who is throwing to?
AJ Brown and Devonte Smith are WAY better than any other KC WR, yet Mahomes still only had 1 incomplete pass in the 2nd half.
The Eagles defense did not show up. They could not stop the run, they could not pressure the QB and Mahommes threw 50% of his passes to wide open receivers. Mahommes is great, but this was not a case of him carrying the team
@@EZ-Matt the Eagles had the better defense in the Super Bowl??? Are you smoking drugs!?!? The Eagles defense didn’t show up at all. Couldn’t stop the run, couldn’t contain the edge, and couldn’t rush the passer. Mahommes played well, but he really just did what he was supposed to do. His biggest “team on my back” moment was the scramble for 30 yards. Everything else was just throwing to wide open receivers
Joe Montana is like the Michael Keaton of Batman. Remains a lot people's favorites who grew up in the 80s and 90s. "I'm Batman."
great point Jason Wilbon
Top 5 because in the end it’s about how many rings you get at the end of your career. Just look at the MJ vs Lebron argument.
If that's the case MJ's not the best that would be Bill Russell with 11 championships
Bears really drafted trubisky over him and now have a running back playing QB 🤣🤣🤣
Don't even mention Tom, he beat Mahomes already twice in big games, end of the story. Mahomes still needs to keep it up and sustain it as other talented QBs are developing (Hurts, Burrow, Allen, Tua, Trevor, etc)
These guys are such prisoners of the moment. Would they be saying the same thing if the Chiefs lost last night? Is Patrick Mahomes awesome? YES! But before we put him #3 All-Time can we at least see another 7-10 years of his career before we put him in the rankings. I also hate how these pundits cannot think past the 1980s. What about Unitas and Staubach and others from that era? Unitas was Joe Montana before Joe Montana. Staubach was Mahomes like ability wise. They both played in eras where DB's could man-handle WR's down the field and Defensive lineman could destroy QB's. Let's be patient and see what happens with the rest of Mahomes career. Putting Mahomes #3 all-time right now is disrespectful to the Hall of Famers that came before him.
Thank you Ryan Clark 💯 big facktz
People went after Dan for having Mahomes two. But honestly outside, Brady and Montanna who’s been a better post season qb? Not to mention the regular season success. I do think Mahomes is already 2nd greatest all time.
Dan picked the eagles to win this game.
Mahomes has been game for game better than any QB in history it’s just his sample size is far smaller than Joe’s and way smaller than Brady’s
Eli Manning
@@nhd6128 difference is that Eli could always rely on his defense and had some luck with the multiple dropped ints. Mahomes has had to win shootouts
@@nhd6128 that’s gotta be a joke
No mahomes isn't top 3 yet. Why are they even having this argument. It's so stupid lol. Mahomes is a great player let the dude finish his career first. He has the chance to be the goat. But the overreacting is crazy
But they do this with every quarterback they literally do they do this with every quarterback they've done it to Aaron Rogers. They've done it too Josh Allen. They've done it with Joe burrow. They've done it with every other quarterback that is young who has been in the league all that long that you can think of
@flyguy7825 they never have said that josh and burrow are top 3 all time lol. All time is crazy.
Nah he's top 4 at the least tbh
@kenyanwhite5558 you could make the argument he's 5 or 4. Top 3 no
@@kaza_family5950 I think the best argument for him at 3 is that he gets better in the playoffs instead of getting worse like Elway and manning
He’s gonna get some weapons this off season next years gonna be trouble for the other 31
Absolutely! He’s that dude
Idk if we can give him top 3 YET (though I am sure by the end of his career he will be there) but he has certainly cemented himself as top 5 all time.
Agreed. I have him 4 behind Tom Brady, Joe Montana, and Peyton Manning
@@TYLERtheMAGGOT1, having Mahomes #4 is accurate right now.
@Derek Mathews if he wins another ring or another mvp award then I'll place him ahead of Peyton manning
@@TYLERtheMAGGOT1 this is where I am at. He needs one more of either to surpass Peyton (both figuratively and quite literally)
Dans facial reactions throughout 😂😂
The disrespect to Peyton Manning is wild.. 🤦♂️
"Who's ready for there jazz bath?"
Mahomes is really close to getting on the Mount Rushmore of QBs. I’m pretty sure he’ll be right up there, but I am gonna hold off for now
I'd say Mahome's top 10 at best for now.
I say you don’t know football. He is clearly top 5. Brady, Manning, Montana, Elway and also Him.
@@JCic22 Mahomes is not better than Marino
@@JCic22 MaHomeboy is playing in a different era where you can't hurt the Quarterbacks (cry me a river)
@@AvenueI77 Typical clueless hater.
@@bradenmchenry995 I am from Miami. Yes he is. 3 Superbowls in 5 years. AFC championship game every year he has played. 2 rings. 2 MVP’s. Don’t sound ignorant.
YES
People like Steven A use the fact the nfl isn’t as “physical” as it used to be but if you look at the sizes of the players back then and the players now it not even close like olineman were like 260-275 and nowadays pretty much every one is over 300 pounds, players now are literally built different than in the past
Dan was chilllllin chilllin 😂😂