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- Vee reacts to A Crap Guide to FFXIV MELEE DPS by JoCat. Make sure to subscribe to JoCat for more amazing content!
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There is a cast timer. It's next to the enemy's healthbar at the top of the screen.
Crap Guide to Paladin.
No, not the FFXIV Job, the Dungeons and Dragons class.
it's a monk not a shapeshifter, the forms are not trasformations they are postures, and i get your point, they could've changed your character's posture but you wouldn't see them anyways since you're casting so fast you're never in idle.
I've always thought of it in terms of the martial art form. A form is composed of different stances, footwork patterns, blocking movements, evasive actions, and striking / kicking techniques. Unfortunately forms don't really have direct practical uses as most forms are meant as a means of practice so you will become better at transitioning from one technique to another and develop a smooth flow in your fighting movements. Which means that smoothly using techniques that are in different forms in an actual fight means that you're applying the knowledge/practice from a form correctly.
With her description, I'm starting to wonder what type of Monk that WoW had. Were they able to transform?
@@KawarrenD she's talking a lot of her druid, i don't know what she's on about with the shapeshifting stuff, on the dark side, the reaper can transform, maybe it's better suited for her.
@@KawarrenD i think it's possible she simply isn't familiar with how martial arts are often named after animals
@@KawarrenD no thats the thing, monks didnt transform, they had martial art moves, chi and also had many animal named moves. I havent played since legion but i doubt thats changed.
The reason Samurai hits so hard is because it’s the designated selfish job; it has extreme singular damage and very high personal DPS, but basically no party buffs that others would have to offset it. Black Mage is the same way, and since their rotations are based on personal damage, if you mess up a rotation then the difference in messing up for another DPS is even more severe since it’s all on you to fulfill it rather than have some leeway from party buffing being part of your own “DPS pool,” if that makes sense.
And yes, Positionals are expected to be learnt and tested around asap since they’re a big overall loss of damage and special effects when you’re not under True North.
It is not only about rotation if you end up with a dmg down because you mess up mechanics (or a dunce cap of shame because you died) it hits even harder than other dps who outsource some of their dmg to teammates.
Samurai's so braindead easy now it's very hard to do it wrong. There's no more management of the meter, it's just, if shinten's lit up, use it. Keep higanbana rolling, and don't let CDs drift too long. It's also slower than monk so you're not mashing so hard to keep your rotation rolling. Doesn't have anything like missed mudra inputs. No animation locking like jumps. If it didn't require Stormblood and a 50 job, I'd recommend this to anyone who's getting in to a melee role.
As of Endwalker positionals - at least for Dragoon, and most certainly for Reaper - aren't *that* big a deal any more. Yes, you'll lose roughly 10% dps on the big hits, which you shouldn't if you can avoid it, but as DRG you don't lose raiden thrust any more if you mess it up, which was arguably the biggest problem, and with RPR ... well, there never was any additional effect except more damage.
I'd say the DPS loss is certainly noticeable, but not remotely critical in 98% of cases.
Here's some tips:
- Positionals aren't like walls, they aren't a suggestion. Learn them or you'll have to learn them when they start to matter, so get used to it, so you don't suffer later on.
- This is why Tank has to keep the boss in one position. Note that some bosses don't have positionals, something everyone doesn't mention for some reason.
- Jobs are more akin to a playstyle, some are harder, some are easier, this is all perception, it just so happens that the most hardcore elitist snobs tend to choose which are perceived as hard or easy for the community and like a bunch of lemmings they follow their every command. Usually this comes from DPS charts, which is aren't even TOS.
- All jobs are balanced relatively well and you seriously will never notice the difference in damage between them unless you are at the cutting edge doing Ultimates ON PATCH DAY, not 3-4 patches or an entire expansion later, those bunch of pansies.
- Choose what you enjoy, enjoy what you like, never choose a job because of it's perceived difficulty or it's damage output, because 9.9/10 it won't matter (even with Ultimates for that matter, every job is capable of clearing all content, it all comes down to how shitty your friends are).
I won't lie, I've been a Ranged/Magic DPS since I started FFXIV and have only played Reaper as a Melee seriously (I've leveled all ARR Melee jobs to around 40, played Samurai till 60). I've been playing on and off for like 3 years now. I main DNC/RDM primarily while dipping into Reaper, been having a lot of fun leveling SMN, currently 71, and pushing ShB content. All of these jobs that I play are considered "easy" by the community, I've never been called out for playing an "easy" job, and I always get the job done.
As RDM and SMN (so far) I have rezzed and saved more parties than I can count, a lot of floor healers and "hard job" players that constantly fuck up mechanics, leaving the "easy job" as they like to call them to pickup the slack. That's what you get for sitting in your Ley Lines all day bein' greedy. XD
JUST REMEMBER: A-B-C AND YOU'LL SUCCEED!
As a RDM main i feel your pain... i can't count how many alliance raids ive had to pick up every healer and most dps because the tanks messed up a mechanic or the healers sucked.
Class perception of it being easy or hard come from DPS meters?
I a m pretty sure BLM is always topping the charts and its considered hard.
On the opposite end Ninja is closer to the bottom (thanks to the party wide damage buff) and its considered one of the harder DPS
And not a commendation to be seen for those rezzes T.T
@@Kilwede1 Its not all the time, but out of the 1700 commendations I have over 1000 of them have been on my RDM. I literally picked up 3 in the Alliance Roulette for picking people up and dropping the occasional heal on other players to help the healers after they dropped.
@@dokb1942 I know, I got a 1 or 2k on my rdm alone myself. I was just saying c cause it's more often than not thankless as someone who's played from the start. Haha I enjoy being the make or break lever on a raid wipe
"I always feel like I'm missing something, like a crucial spell that's going to make my rotation complicated"
That WAS called Kaiten... A moment of silence to all Samurai mains. I feel you.
Kaiten was not complicated, it added some extra spice to samurai because big hits felt bigger but as long as you didnt spend your kenki the second you got it you pretty much never had issues, most of the time just by doing your combo for your dot/midare you already got the kenki you needed. The complicated part about samurai was staying in your one minute window in shadowbringers because you had to count your gcds but while thats technically still there you dont get punished nearly as hard anymore given that you have stacks of tsubame gaeshi now.
Positionals are pretty much mandatory. However, this is where the difference between really good players and ok player difference comes into play. A real good one can keep positional uptime, while ok players can't.
However, especially when boss mechanics come into play, you do have true north. This basically makes it so that positionals don't matter while true north is active.
For the aoe markers, you want to look at the boss cast bar. That will tell you when the aoe marker snapshot is going to happen. And it is that snapshot that will determine if you get hit or not.
Also, that game engine limitation is part of the reason why DRG has a reputation. When you are performing jumps, you aren't actually in the air. You are technically travelling really fast along the ground and it also has an animation lock. Which is why they can die because of that animation lock or because the player greeded when they shouldn't have and got caught in the air marker. Game engine limitation, as they weren't really too concerned with verticality when rushing to make the game.
positionals aren't mandatory, at least not anymore. there was a time that with some classes not hitting positionals would mess your rotation, but not anymore, now positionals only give you a small potency buff. meaning its a lot better to just hit the enemy than to drift your rotation or not do damage because you can't get the positional. a good player ignoring positionals will still do more damage than a bad player hitting all positionals.
also not all snapshots happen when the enemy finish casting (or more precisely, when the AOE marker disappears, since not all AOEs are casted), there are a few outliers that break the rules, but you will find them pretty easily as you play the game.
@@danilooliveira6580 I'd still consider them pretty mandatory. That doesn't mean to stop your rotation if you physically cant get the positional though. That is definitely not what people mean when they call them mandatory
@@ZariLutus I know now we are just arguing semantics, but that is like literally not the definition of mandatory
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I would say its more like highly advised, but not the highest priority, the priority is to not drift your rotation and always keep your GCD rolling. now when not hitting your positionals meant breaking your rotation or not getting resources as it used to be for some classes, I would say it was a lot a lot more important, maybe even worth it drifting your GCD depending on how hard it was for your class to realign everything in that specific fight.
Wdym? There might not be a cast timer in seconds, but clicking on the boss literally gives you a timer on how long it'll take for the Aoe to go off.
You can also blow up the target cast bar
Not with every attack though. Some for example have the cast bar before they make the circles appear.
Meanwhile you don't know when they'll disappear because the boss technically already casted the attack and its in the middle of casting another.
There are other variations like this. Today I died to the fate boss in Thavnair in an attack where he puts 2 sets of fire balls and blows one up and then the other.
I pretty much muscle memoried from the later set to the one that blows up first as soon as the cast bar was finished. Except the fire bombs makes the yellow circles appear and disappear a second after the cast is done and I ran head first into the explosion.
Something that’s useful for you when it comes to the melee and how they feel! Every job has feint so we’re ignoring that for now okay?
Samurai has chunky damage bc it has NO utility or buffs to share in a raid. When you compare it to something like dancer which has the lowest personal dps but the highest raid dps (I think) their parse damage logs basically flip. So samurai is big damage all the time but hey now you don’t have to worry about buffing others to do your job!
Reaper has standard attacks, red attacks, spooky attacks augmented by a debuff it wants to keep on all its enemies. It’s a fairly easy to use saw against any lumbering beasty but won’t have samurais big naturals all the time simply bc it has 3 forms and a party damage buff AND a shield that cracks into healing juice if the boss hits hard enough.
Monk has the punch card mentioned and the lack of samurais full numbers but don’t worry! They can literally increase the healing the party takes by chanting a mantra or saying “good job team” and boosting EVERYONES critical rate while feeding the monks chakra cravings. Essentially it’s a melee with that uses it’s raid buffs to further buff it’s already dangerous dps.
Dragoon is super simple. You have a combo you end on a side and a combo that ends on the butt. The jumps are useful in between your skills so good for weaving them in just be mindful of the puddles mentioned. Dragoon has two buffs a raid one and a single target “I love you the most let’s hit the boss even harder” one you have to specifically pick an ally to cast it on. Great dps again and wonderful movement. Does suffer from raid buff numbers but I’ll explain that soon.
Ninja has its super personal debuffinator that lets it hit like a truck driven off the side of a mountain and plummeting to a spectacular landing. On the condition that you land your skills all correctly. Without that you’ll still have strong dps but if you’re paired with a master ninja you’ll see how fast they do their hand signs and see them just under the tank.
So everyone has these buff windows except samurai and here’s where they come in. You have the raid dps and your personal dps. By not dying and completing mechanics and generally playing well you will have high personal dps especially with classes using their personal buffs or samurai. Classes that have party buffs however, have a higher raid dps than samurai because they’re directly boosting the power of the party as a whole.
They are reliant however, on the party not dancing off a cliff in stupidity just to make the most of their buffs. If we raised everyone’s baseline to samurais power levels and. Kept their buffs then they’d drastically outpace samurai with ease. It’s all about balance in the end and that balance is helped by having an easy class that hits hard and feels rewarding to play as samurai does.
8:25 Doing more damage is better than doing less damage but doing damage is better than not doing damage - follow these 3 rules:
1) If a substantive portion of your overall damage output can benefit from positional use = Maintain position(s) for optimized damage output,
-2) If unable to positional attack due to fall danger or zone hazard = activate true north,
--3) If unable to positional attack due to fall danger or zone hazard and unable to use true north = ignore positional and attack in spite of dps loss.
This does require that you be cognizant of the overall fight, I.E. being aware of things like potential knockbacks or opportunities for fall deaths, or even things like upcoming damage zones in the fight: because a dps who dies suddenly does no damage at all and as stated above Doing damage is better than not doing damage.
0) The old ABC: Always Be Casting :^)
I agree with you on monk. They are like stances and I wish the stance of your character changed. Think of it like monkey kung fu, into crane, into tiger then back into monkey. That’s how I do anyway.
And with greeding like he talked about, with dragoon and red mage the game does not consider you moved out of the space until you land from your backflip. So if you backflip and the attack goes off when you are in midair you will still get hit even though you may technically be out of the aoe marker.
Yeah, I get that shape shifting isn't a MNK thing to do, but it just makes me sad that the job action animations don't at least indulge my fantasy 😂 even though it wouldn't make sense to do it at all lmao!
@@MomsDen would be fun
Idk if it’s on PC as well, but on the console version (that’s what I play) there’s a cast timer above the boss’s health bar at the top right of the screen. Of course I rarely look at that since I’m too busy looking at the AOE rings of the attack in question, but I usually have a mental countdown from 5, and get out of there on 2.
Just like how IRL martial artists don't turn into monkeys, cranes, tigers, mantises and snakes when they are using those forms on kung fu. Monk doesn't transform when using those styles
In the expert dungeon when you asked in a situation like that you can use true north but your over trying to most the player base in savage content if you missing a few positional attacks is what's breaking enrage is slim to none and the group as a whole is lacking the dps not just your lack of 100 potency once in awhile.
Wanted to comment on the idea you mentioned with the monk, while I dont want to see a complete character change, its something ive not thought about until you mentioned it, it would be cool to see Monk change to a different idle stance for each of its stance changes, even if its rarely seen, its a cool thing I would love to see that I didn't think of until now.
It would fully break the martial arts fantasy, but would be cute and I would approve 😅
Dragoon as a job is essentially perfect to the point the devs are having to rework it to make room for further growth and skill additions. Monk is basically designed around various martial art stytles. Samurai is pretty obvious and straight forward but somehow there is a very noticeable difference between good samurais and bad samurais. Reaper feels the best because its the latest melee dps and was designed with all the experience that the devs have accrued over the years. Just like why Sage feels so fun to play compared to other healers. Monk and Dragoon are the oldest melee dps then Samurai came out in Stormblood. I expect future new jobs to feel just as good as or better than reaper and sage. That and reworked jobs as well. Like Summoner is super fun and very straight forward.
IMO, Dragoon is unfun because of how turbo optimized it is, and how obnoxiously long the ramp up to use your major is, and then the guides tell you to hold it _even longer_ so you can align buffs???!! Compared to Reaper the rotation is glacially paced and the buttons lack identity beyond having to hit them in a set order, which I feel was a decision made to showcase bar swapping with the controller and is awkward AF on PC.
I have been playing for 7 years, and found on average the cast time is about 3 pulses of the AOE indicator as a quick visual, but there is also server ticks to worry about. You can set up a focus target on your HUD that you can move to a location you can quick glance that will show the cast timer. Positionals are a must for the most part as it does increase your dps and opens more dps options reaper only has a couple of attacks that really require positional but monk and goon are really dependent, a good tank can really make a decent goon and monk shine by not dancing the boss or mobs around like they were at a renaissance waltz. As for animation lock, as a RDM main I learned that even if you just land outside of the AOE the server still snap shots you as inside unless you move before the snap shot is taken so move right after you land and hope the server tick gods have blessed you. The main thing to remember is have fun, if your learning the job let the party know, most of the community will help if you have questions or if they are familiar with the job give you some tips... also, I love all of JoCats' guides even the DnD ones. Take care and have fun o/
MNK and DRG also only have 2 positionals, no class has more than 2 positionals, save for DRG that was 3 (but if you are doing your rotation right, chaos spring will come before wheeling thrust, meaning both hit on the back), but DRG is also the one that gets less extra potency at 40, while all other classes get 60 potency (save for NIN that has only 1 positional and get 50). so its not as important to hit positionals with MNK and DRG now, there is no skill that requires you to hit positionals to not mess the rotation anymore, they are all only extra potency.
@@danilooliveira6580 I think you meant sam there?
@@tenjenk where exactly ? SAM also only has 2 positionals. but its good that you mentioned SAM because I only now realized that it gets even less potency at 30, is that what you are saying ?
@@danilooliveira6580 I think I was confused by what you meant when you said "save for DRG that was 3", after the start
Samurai sacrifices party utility for BEEG DAMAGE
casual play: no one cares about positional. Just try to hit them but if you don''t, okay.
Some skills though have additional effects or needed for combo's. So just stay in that flank/rear and you will be fine.
If you go into hardcore raiding, every single DPS loss is considered the most deadly sin punishable only by eternal damnation.
Just based on your self-awareness of being a not-perfect melee DPS, you are already better than the people who are oblivious to the fact that they are bad. Which means you are better than them because you are *trying*, and will thus improve. So, automatically not the worst. :)
Haha you haven't seen me on a bad day 😂 but thanks anyway! Glad you enjoyed the video!
I cant wait for him to do Ranged Physical.... im kinda scared to see how he describes Dancer as its my main :D
As a melee DPS main, these jobs are not for the faint of heart. If you like busy rotations while doing mechanics, then you are fine.
As a ninja main I can confirm
Raptor form, Coerl form are stances not transformations, they change the skills available to you.
But I wanna dino so bad 🥺😅
Reaper was the only time I EVER enjoyed a Melee DPS. Even when I did play DRG or SAM, it wasn’t fun constantly having to move so much. Reaper is very simple once you get it down
I went the completely opposite way with positional, lol. I learned positional so I'd have one less cooldown to baby sit, lol
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Positionals are optional unless you're doing high end content then they're strongly recommended
when it comes to balance in ffxiv its all about what buff you five or cant give and that whats affects your dmg because there is no melee that requires more skill to play than any melee you only really get to understand that after playing them all at a relatively higher lvl not to say I am the top teir but 50-75% on them all isn't bad
Positionals are mandatory if you want to do most damage.
Monks forms are ffxiv versions of martial arts forms
This is at least the 2nd time jocat has promoted Lunarcon Lunarcon LUNARCON!
Some one please tell Vee SMN doesn't transform in Bahamut, Phoenix, Garuda, Ifrit and Titan.
But if it did... If only it did... 😍😍😍😂
It's the second time Lunarcon has happened
I have never played melee DPS, I've played ranged dps, healer, tank, and i main magic dps... but i've never played melee
8:13 this is then you use true north! :D
To be completely honest on positionals, it only REALLY matters for raids to get them, other content you can do fine without worrying about them too much.
psst... in the karate kid... Daniel never turned into a crane...
I spent 10 years turning into a cat to do damage, there's no going back from that 😂
LunarCon started as a response to the 2020 Pandemic when FanFest was cancelled. players just... made their own.
i wish you actualy had different animations to show you were in another stance when you end up doing raptor form etc
Same!! 😅
You don't ever need to do positionals*.
*until you do
its the 2nd time because he said "last time" this is the 2nd Lunar con!
I think it was because of covid canceling everything in 2021 so this would have been the 2nd hopefully they can do it again next year! I missed it...
It's so fun. Would love to see something like that on other Worlds, too!
If you really do want good guides for melee I cannot recommend weskalber enough. His guides are freaking amazing
This is the 2nd Lunarcon so it’s ok
I think you're a bit damaged from playing Druid in WoW... 😆
_"Why aren't I turning into different forms? It _*_says_*_ cat on the description!"_ 🤣
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On a more serious note - Great vid. Your commentary made me smile in recognition more than I'd like to admit.
Omg that's exactly the way I'm feeling 😂 I do miss the cat roleplay 🥺♥️😸
Reaper has almost no positionals so i still don’t need to learn them XD
Potionals will help you get the biggggg numbers
Like everyone else mentioned, SAM hits hard because you have no utility, and everyone in the party sighs a little when they see you. Whenever I play with my FC, I always roll NIN or DAN just so I can provide something to everyone else besides just tunnel-visioning the whole time.
Dragoon is best job
Drg is the flashiest job, but I'm worried for the rework come next month
@@ShikiWantsA_Hug rework is not till 7.0
@@ShikiWantsA_Hug yeah they changed the rework to 7.0, which indicates it will be tied to the big changes being made to crit and so on.
I do not know who your talking to about Dragoon's, but you have no idea what your missing. They are fun as hell. And easy to play. Now, to me... Samurai is to slow. Cool downs are too slow. I've had one and played it to 65 I think. Anywho... I stopped playing it. Wasn't fun to me.
Sam has a skill that lowers cooldown time for its abilities so I dont see how it's "slow"
DRG and RPR have the slowest GCDs of all.melee though? SAM sit in middle with ninja 2nd fastest at 2.12 in BiS and Monk is under 2 sece
@@skylarsimes8 i didnt say anything bout drg or rpr i specifically said stated sam
@@ShikiWantsA_Hug was replying to the OP wondering how SAM is slow compared to DRG to them when SAM has a faster GCD :p
@@skylarsimes8 Ooooh ok, my apologies then. But yea I to wonder how Sam is slow.
True North ftw LOL
possisionals for "casual" content it is added bragging rights when you are getting into ultimates i think they are a bit more mandatory
Yo, you didn't listen to a banger song T_T
Rpr and sam are excellent but rpr broke the balance so bad that they need a full expansion to buff the other dps
not really true. Reaper was the test bed for their new job design philosophy. They were talking for ages about growing past the old structures. Its why they setup the new SMN structure with a base they can easily build upon and why they're remaking crit,etc (and in turn about to change DRG, etc) because its all part of a series of changes over time.
Reaper is just part of the plan, its not the cause of the plan. The plan already existed before reaper came out. They're simply the first car model with the new tech, they're eyeballing it for how it works out as they prepare that tech for the other jobs new models.