"So I says to him, I says..." Norm's style was a beautiful mashup of square Midwestern folksiness, puppy dog enthusiasm, drunk uncle energy, and stealth razor-sharp brilliance. RIP to a master of his craft.
@@joetheplumber8884 Sure, but that's a style. It's like how Picasso painted people looking all crooked and with weird angles and colors, that would have gotten him kicked out of a figure drawing class.
I love how immediately after he says “the guy says no I don’t own a doghouse” the audience starts laughing cause the jokes already completed in their heads
Well sure as hell it wasn't his inviting the logician round for Chcken - But the audience *still* laughted ike drains at that. (You gotta suspect they didn't own a doghouse either).
I thought the punchline was gonna be "I'm on my way to buy a doghouse" or "After standing around the bus stop for a while, I realized....I don't own a doghouse"
I told this joke to my dad once and he laughed hysterically and continued to laugh randomly throughout the day every time he thought about. He loved the joke so much that I had to tell it to any guests that came over and he so happened to remember about it
@@silversrayleigh1399 20 hours ago I was binging some of his best bits, and today I'm back again for a completely different reason. Utterly blown away by the news.
So right... I started laughing with tears streaming down my face when he said told the guy at the bus stop he met his neighbor today. My God, what a genius!
The cigarette part cements the punchline which is that strictly logical conclusions are often absurd. It's just as absurd to think that a bus will come the moment you light up a cigarette to think that you're gay or straight based on whether or not you own a doghouse.
He once made a rare out of character comment about saying "you know" and "uh" he said it made him seem stupider subtly so he could deliver the punchline better
I always thought he was over-rated. He ALWAYS did these meandering lame jokes which I could see the punchline from a mile away. I don't know why he was so celebrated but whatever. Different tastes.
Not an anecdotal fallacy, or any other type of fallacy. No argument is being made. I would assume the "hidden joke" is that you would think a professor of logic would be able to define logic.
Hercules Brofister i think it did! Cause it was an instance of where intended logic fails („always when I light a cigarette the bus comes“ - bus doesn’t come) kind of anticipating the next/main false logic story.
@@MRegah : right, norm prepares with the cig-illogic the punchline-illogic. From what I know, Norm built his shaggy jokes very meticulously...not a word superfluous
This was the first Norm joke I ever heard and I was instantly hooked. I had never heard anyone talk this way or tell a story in such a funny & quirky manner. He brought so much joy to people's lives. RIP 🙏
I love the way Norm breaks for a second when he refers to the University of Science for the second time. He was always right there with his hand on the wheel, even when he seemed three miles off course
There is a great University of the Sciences in Philly... devoted primarily to health sciences and trains doctors, researchers, nurses, organic chemist-types, etc. Part of it is the nation's oldest College of Pharmacy founded in the 1820s,
@@Rex-gu1bu He died from cancer, he has been battling it for years, stop peddling your beliefs of what people should do in terms of getting a vaccine, it is their choice.
Well Norm was a comedian lol your sentence implied that he wasn't a comic but rather a writer. His muttering or words and structure was purely for the punchline. No where near a "anti punchline" like how Mrs.Dumbshit up there assumed
There's also a surprise punchline that comes after the end of this clip. Something like: "And get this: then the guy asks me to have a chicken with him at his house."
@@emanuelmota7217 we realise that this was before his cancer (im not fully retarded), that does not make the statment any less true, maybe not true for this particular talk, or act or whatever, but he was still suffering for years and kept the jokes rolling.
@@jonathanrandom7837 Who's "we"? Are you speaking for knucklehead? Because his original comment clearly indicates that he thinks Norm had cancer while doing this performance on Conan. Your point is irrelevant.
@burteriksson Dad joke = a joke viewed as lame. They usually contain cheap puns or tired cliches, and mostly contain clean language. Room leveler = A joke which results in an explosion of laughter from the audience.
@burteriksson dads predominantly make cheesy jokes to their kids to annoy them, hence being called dad jokes. Dont be so politically correct, that's fascism.
I'm a "professor of logic" (although that's not my actual title - I teach an intro to logic course to philosophy undergrads) and I show this video to my class to illustrate the fallacy of *_denying the antecedent_* (that's the "mistake" Norm makes at the end of the clip). He manages to make it funnier than any other example I've found. For those interested, the fallacy of denying the antecedent takes the form: If P, then Q. (In this case: if doghouse, then heterosexual) Therefore, if not P, then not Q. (If no doghouse, then not heterosexual)
yeah, this second layer to this joke is really wonderful, especially since he's playing an ignorant guy in this bit. according to wikipedia, he dropped out of university, but he enrolled in mathematics while he was there. so i'm sure this joke was very intentionally crafted
i think its because he is an avid reader and he is wicked smart... he throws in so much comedy through his stories that its hard to keep up... just watch his 12 minute joke.
@@calebgodard4554its cut off in this clip but at the end the gay guy at the bus stop invited norm to have chicken with him. so i guess another subtle joke was norm hitting on the professor of logic with the invitation
I recently noticed that Norm's style is actually more alike British-style comedy than American, which has more to do with quick wit and dry humour. A dream matchup would have been Bob Mortimer and Norm.
Unfortunately we can’t lose anymore comedians like Patrice and Norm that aren’t afraid to speak their mind…they’re a dying breed and we need them more now than ever…I would absolutely love to hear Patrice’s take on certain things these days
The genius here is that he actually bothers to complete the badly told joke right to the end despite the punchline being obvious minutes earlier and without improving his telling of the joke at any point throughout. Genius.
Yes, part if Norm's style was that the punchline sometimes was obvious to everyone with half a minute left of the joke - but him still pushing on as if it wasn't.
zargmatt Mm, yeah, on my count there were only 14. I think it seemed like there'd be way more bc he loaded up 11 of those RIGHT at the start, and if you kept going at that rate, you'd either be dead or COVERED in vomit
I had a professor (at the University of Science) that was like this with the word, "basically". Granted he was from Russia and English wasn't his first language, but people already came up with a drinking game for it and said you'd probably die after a full lecture.
This joke would land flat for most of the people when they try to crack it, but with him it's the entire act, the narration that makes it become alive and we actually imagine standing on the bus stop and this happening that gets us laughing. Makes us realize talent isn't just in writing the jokes, it lies more in delivering them.
I LOVE that little part about the man he meets at the bus stop. Love how he brings us into this cutaway where we can see a bunch of people waiting for the bus and one eccentric guy who says he has a trick or two. What a LEGEND.
@@AVERYhornyMrDinosaur funny thing. I'm not broke enough to need it but still enjoy it.. Mostly when I travel. and luckily I have the social skills to do it.. But living in NYC gives you a whole different experience 🙊😂
I still can't get over that this comedy legend passed away so soon and so unexpectedly. One of the greatest comedians of all time. May Norm Rest in Peace.
@@noahepker8212 Thought it was a intended as a euphemism for "cock". Little jab at the having a family thing and something to laugh back at after the punchline. Other guy might be right tho
I'm pretty sure it's a racist joke - the way he first said neighbors and continued to say it. The looks him and Conan have on their faces saying it , then the chicken line...
I 'discovered' him like last year and he immediately became my all-time favourite. I was so eagerly waiting for the new season of Norm Macdonald Live. RIP 💔
I meant it as a way of entertaining students in an introduction to logic class to highlight deductive and inductive logic and to highlight faulty forms of reasoning. You'll also notice that many jokes actually rely on invalid inferences, if you really want to be a smartarse. It's also odd that you've guessed from my sentence that my intention is to use the joke as an example of pristine reasoning, when it's the point of the joke that it isn't. I really can't stand smart arses over the internet. What, really, is the point of your response? Make yourself feel smart by assuming my motive?
The joke is a bit dated too. The part about the dog and the family made perfect sense at the time, but Hollywood has done such a great job convincing White People not to have children and to replace them with dogs in the years since that you cities like Portland that have more dogs than kids.
Norm MacDonald is the King -- the unidisputed King -- of the Bad Joke and the Shaggy Dog Joke. He has a delivery that is unique and undeniable. So shut up
Well, if McDonald's goal had been to point out the fallibility of logic (I believe it isn't), then he's doing a rather poor job of it here. Firstly, the professor of logic in MacDonald's story was not inferring the sexual orientation of MacDonald from the fact that MacDonald owns a doghouse. After every question from the professor, MacDonald answered in the affirmative. Thus, the professor received new information after every inferential step in his reasoning. This means the professor was only inferring from the fact that MacDonald owned a doghouse to the fact that he owned a dog, from the fact that he owned a dog to the fact that he has a family, and so on. These are discrete inferential steps, all of which are much more plausible than the ridiculous inference from ownership of a doghouse to sexual orientation. Secondly, these are all cases of inductive inferences, not deductive ones. Here's the difference: In an inductive inference from A to B, that inference is justified by the accumulated experience of cases where A is true tending to be cases where B is true. If your previous experience tells you that people who own doghouses tend to own dogs, that gives you reason to believe of someone you know owns a doghouse that she owns a dog. If it turns out she doesn't, that only means that your previous experience was not a good guide to this particular situation. In fact, it is in the nature of induction that this will sometimes be the case: After all, drawing inductive inferences essentially means estimating something unknown based on what is known. Logic tells us that inductive inferences are fallible, any concrete example of a failed inductive inference merely confirms what logic tells us. Deductive inferences, on the other hand, are the ones found e.g. in the syllogisms MacDonald refers to. Generally, logic concerns itself with deductive inferences, induction and abduction are better left to epistemology and the philosophy of science. Therefore we say of a good case of deductive inference that it is a logically valid inference. For an inference from A to B to be logically valid, it must be the case that A being true and B being false leads to a logical contradiction. It is not a logical contradiction for someone to own a doghouse and not own a dog. (The dog might be dead.) Thus, the argument "A owns a doghouse, therefore A owns a dog" is not logically valid. If MacDonald had presented a logically valid deductive inference from a true premise to a false conclusion, he would have made a devastating argument not just for the fallibility of logic but for logic in its current form being fundamentally misguided. He has not. I think most every logician would agree that logic is fallible, but in a relatively straightforward sense: The study of logic is done by humans. Human beings are, alas, fallible. The great logician Gottlob Frege himself managed to overlook Russell's paradox, a paradox rendering large swathes of his work false. Presumably, logicians will continue to make mistakes in the future, making logic fallible. I suspect you wanted to say that MacDonald has shown logic to be fallible in a much more dramatic sense. I hope I have helped show you this is not the case.
The way he waist the time and narrates the story is fantastic he anticipates us for more to hear even we can guess but still want to hear , Rest in peace man i love you
One of the best deadpan comedians of all time. Always bucked the trends and stood up for what he believed in. You will be sorely missed Norm. Enjoy those cigars and big breasted women in paradise my friend.
Still watching and forgetting about all that’s going on in my crazy life. You’re one of the only people that can do that for me. Thanks for everything norm. Miss ya
No, Conan is a full fledged butterfly, but he was smart enough to take his gig to streaming now. Colbert, Kimmel, and Fallon are dropping in the networks with their high octane DNC political commentary. Conan is fine.
Me too but I just realised from googling professor of logic norm MacDonald ripped this joke off of Another comedian.. find it.. it's a goldfish instead of a dog 8 years ago.. to be honest I found Bert's version the funniest
We know the punch line halfway in the joke but we can't stop listening. It's brilliant. I've watched the moth story every night since I heard about his passing and it cracks me up more and more
He was a good and kind looking man. I remember him from the times when we watched SNL every Saturday. He went too early. It is an untimely death. Rest in peace, Norm, from all the worries of the world of people.
Haha, watched this so many times, and it always makes me laugh so damn hard. Love how he can't hold it together when he says "I'm always one to meet the neighbors", knowing it total bs haha. Of all the comics, I think I've watched his content the most over the years. I would always check for his new stuff on youtube, and I sensed something was up since it's been a while since he made any new appearances, but couldn't imagine he was dying. Such a shock. Such a loss. RIP, Norm.
I just listened to his standup piece earlier today for the 100th time to cheer me up, came to this late evening and found out of his passing... No words. RIP Norm MacDonald.
He takes a simple joke and stetches the setup, makes tge setup the funniest part, then finishes, eventually with the so so punchline, which somehow then seems hilarious. Bravo.
This joke was incredibly popular in Greece around 1996-2000. I wonder if someone got it from Norm and translated it to Greek because it sounds more natural in English
he says to me he says
Ya know?
and by god
Get this
ya know
I'm positive that norm, while on TV, has NEVER been given the "stretch it out" signal from a producer.
"So I says to him, I says..." Norm's style was a beautiful mashup of square Midwestern folksiness, puppy dog enthusiasm, drunk uncle energy, and stealth razor-sharp brilliance. RIP to a master of his craft.
And he wasn’t even Midwestern haha
Canadians are north midwesterners
Maybe he just was very bad at telling jokes. "So he said, I said..."
@@joetheplumber8884 Sure, but that's a style. It's like how Picasso painted people looking all crooked and with weird angles and colors, that would have gotten him kicked out of a figure drawing class.
Brilliant description of the man
I love how immediately after he says “the guy says no I don’t own a doghouse” the audience starts laughing cause the jokes already completed in their heads
Which is ironic, since it's a logical fallacy that doesn't follow, it's called denying the antecedent.
@@jacobbellamy7640 you said it that audience must have been gay too
@@jacobbellamy7640 that's the entire joke
@@jacobbellamy7640 Congrats on understanding the joke lol
@@jacobbellamy7640 my lord! You’re getting your money’s worth out of that logic degree
Everyone's laughing cause they know what's coming, but the best part is seeing him smile as he says the punchline
Well sure as hell it wasn't his inviting the logician round for Chcken -
But the audience *still* laughted ike drains at that.
(You gotta suspect they didn't own a doghouse either).
we see the punchline coming from a week away but Norm lands it perfectly. i laughed out loud.
I thought the punchline was gonna be "I'm on my way to buy a doghouse" or "After standing around the bus stop for a while, I realized....I don't own a doghouse"
I doubt it lmao
I didn’t. I thought that he’d unable to give the example due to the smoker not owning a doghouse, then he’d do something with that.
I told this joke to my dad once and he laughed hysterically and continued to laugh randomly throughout the day every time he thought about. He loved the joke so much that I had to tell it to any guests that came over and he so happened to remember about it
Pretty cool that his comedy has created this great memory of time with your dad, that's awesome!
You must have a talent at delivering then 👍🏼
Oh wow, you must a be a great story teller if you made this joke to be funny tbh
@@sergiodeus3865 Absolutely. I think 99.9% of us would totally bomb attempting to tell this joke.
Your Dad must own a dog house.
I'm still waiting on that chicken..
XD
If you made an account just for this joke... I truly commend you, Professor.
Come by any day
@@barfeyman3622
No thanks Barfeyman, I don't trust your carving.. I know where that knife has been.
professor do you own a dog house?
Norm has the most incredible talent of wasting as much of everyone's time as possible just for one stupid joke
Yes, but a stupidly funny joke!
Well, you had to fucking jinx it.
^ Norm would have loved this reply
@@silversrayleigh1399 20 hours ago I was binging some of his best bits, and today I'm back again for a completely different reason. Utterly blown away by the news.
:/
Norm wasn't just heterosexual, but deeply closeted.
I ended up here after watching that Larry King clip. lol
Hey now!
Nothing against his punchlines, but with Norm, getting there was half the fun. RIP
half?! More like ALL the fun! You know it's coming and there are smaller punchlines along the way!
Agreed. When it comes to Norm MacDonald, the journey is the destination.
Very much so @Dave T
Far more than half
I know all of his jokes and I still come back just to hear him telling them.
Punchline coming from 5 miles out and it's still gold. Why? It's Norm.
Why are there no ads on it
He is actually really boring
So right... I started laughing with tears streaming down my face when he said told the guy at the bus stop he met his neighbor today. My God, what a genius!
@@richardkaylor9679 is that sarcasm?
@@arpansamuel6745 it's not often I get asked that question
i love how he completely half asses transitions to jokes because he knows its total bullshit. he just wants to tell jokes
I Have No Idea What I'm Doing no that’s part of his schtick - it’s intentional
A lot of work goes into making it look like he's half assing it.
Yeah but.... Isn't that part of the joke?
@@brogcooper25 No, it doesn't.
You know
I love how he interjects things into the story that literally have nothing to do with the punchline (I.e. the cigarette/bus thing)
lol I was expecting the bus to come halfway through the doghouse story.
E.g. I think
The cigarette part cements the punchline which is that strictly logical conclusions are often absurd. It's just as absurd to think that a bus will come the moment you light up a cigarette to think that you're gay or straight based on whether or not you own a doghouse.
@@CrizzyEyesexactly, thanks for eloquently spelling it out so I didn’t have to.
I was expecting a joke about cigarettes being called "fags" to connect it
Norm said "you know" more than owen wilson says"wow"
He once made a rare out of character comment about saying "you know" and "uh" he said it made him seem stupider subtly so he could deliver the punchline better
Owen Wilson says "says wow" a lot? That's weird.
Wow, you know, I hadn't realized that.
@@zalyster Can’t believe it took 3 days
@@LeslieJayBoschPhoto you must be one of those gays
Norm could read a cornbread recipe and it would be hilarious.
'Interesting story, I got this recipe for uh- for uh- cornbread, you know, uh, you know cornbread?'
How is that difficult? Most cornbread recipes I've ever read are hillarious.
💯💯
I always thought he was over-rated. He ALWAYS did these meandering lame jokes which I could see the punchline from a mile away. I don't know why he was so celebrated but whatever. Different tastes.
@@magnificentbuzz the uh’s come off as him thinking but I’m almost 100% it’s really just a set up every single time
Norms jokes are a bit like going on a trip. It's just as much about the journey as it is the destination. He's a class act.
A fine looking gentleman the destination isn’t worth the journey to me. Need a stronger punchline for a 5 minute wait.
the anticlimax is kind of part of it though it either gets you or it doesnt
Exactly. The moth joke is a prime example.
all of you shut the fuck up
Joe P is appreciate
"[Logic] is hard to explain, let me just give you an example." - Professor of logic -- hidden joke
I don't get it
Is that a "Those who don't do teach" kind of joke or a Feynman's "Those who really know something can teach it simply"? :)
Down at the university of science.
Anecdotal fallacy.
Not an anecdotal fallacy, or any other type of fallacy. No argument is being made.
I would assume the "hidden joke" is that you would think a professor of logic would be able to define logic.
"that theory really worked, huh?" the cig part served absolutely no point or purpose, but of course made the story better. Good ol' norm.
Hercules Brofister i think it did! Cause it was an instance of where intended logic fails („always when I light a cigarette the bus comes“ - bus doesn’t come) kind of anticipating the next/main false logic story.
Malte Regah yeah also it serves as a distraction from his first neighbor story so his punchline hits better
@@MRegah : right, norm prepares with the cig-illogic the punchline-illogic.
From what I know, Norm built his shaggy jokes very meticulously...not a word superfluous
Malte Regah The point is that it was unnecessary but so funny. Proves the genius of Norm
the cigarette or Fag (UK) story gives Norm a way into a conversation with a stranger.
"Logic? What the hell is that? I never heard tell o' that."
Norm comes from 1920
Nah he’s just Canadian
Ludwig Wittgenstein It was more of an comment.
We know you are one of them gays using 'logic'
@Carl Cruton wittgenstein was richer than rothschilds n donated it all
You know
I says to the guy, I says
That's the joke.
eddielaur i cant stop hearing this now, thanks.
I came here to see this comment
lamarcus aldridge distant cousin lmao
This was the first Norm joke I ever heard and I was instantly hooked. I had never heard anyone talk this way or tell a story in such a funny & quirky manner. He brought so much joy to people's lives. RIP 🙏
"I said, come on, come by one day and have a chicken with me."
Ron Andy certainly liked that line
who's ron andy
I believe he is addressing Ron who wrote the comment and saying that Andy enjoyed that line
@@t4si0r I love Ron Andy. My favorite comedian.
@Ken Roberts why are you telling randoms on youtube instead of the police?
It's high time the University of Science gave Norm his honorary degree already.
Ok that is funny😂
I love the way Norm breaks for a second when he refers to the University of Science for the second time. He was always right there with his hand on the wheel, even when he seemed three miles off course
Any University of Science alumni here? Go Beakers!
@@vasyan123 Class of '90
There is a great University of the Sciences in Philly... devoted primarily to health sciences and trains doctors, researchers, nurses, organic chemist-types, etc. Part of it is the nation's oldest College of Pharmacy founded in the 1820s,
This might sound weird, but the way I describe Norm McDonald is that he's funnier than his jokes.
The best description of Norm I've ever heard is
Every other comedian talks about funny things and Norm talks about things in a funny way
holy shit how i this so accurate
Is this his joke though? It's exactly the same as the whippersnipper joke from buddy washisname and the other fellers
All of the great comedians are like that.
Not weird at all. I hear Norm's voice, and I'm already primed to start giggling.
Really sucks that he’s gone ....one of a kind comedian!!...gonna miss his stuff ...
@FISHY LAMAR it’s been over 5 hours I don’t think he can
Don't get injected, you won't die
He took out the cancer with him, so it was more like a draw…
@@Rex-gu1bu He died from cancer, he has been battling it for years, stop peddling your beliefs of what people should do in terms of getting a vaccine, it is their choice.
@@Rex-gu1bu Are you... being serious?
Norm's punchline set-up is funnier than most comedian's punchlines. What a legend. RIP
I think that's the point. The punchline is like an anti-punchline.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Idk, that didn't seem like much of an anti punchline.
Well Norm was a comedian lol your sentence implied that he wasn't a comic but rather a writer. His muttering or words and structure was purely for the punchline. No where near a "anti punchline" like how Mrs.Dumbshit up there assumed
Would have been funnier if the story was shorter by the end of it all I was very underwhelmed
@@spedmonie416 everyone seems to disagree with you.
I love how the audience caught on how the joke will end but it don't matter cause of how Norm delivers it
The audience probably did laugh but on tv laugh sounds are added by post production
So right on... I knew exactly where he was going, but there was STILL that 1/2 second pause before I laughed
That is an absolute hallmark of Norm.
There's also a surprise punchline that comes after the end of this clip. Something like: "And get this: then the guy asks me to have a chicken with him at his house."
they didnt catch on to that, are you slow?
Not often he tells a joke where you see the punchline coming for miles. He still manages to make it funny.
Absolute magic and a huge loss to the world of comedy. Rest in peace Norm.
huge loss to the world*
Wait. What? Norm died?!
@@17Scumdog Cancer. Was diagnosed 9-10 years ago. Kept it totally secrete. Look at his jokes in that time frame. He was telling people all the time.
Sad...really sad...
You knew him personally?
The great thing about Norm's jokes is that he has a punchline and then finds a way to build a whole convoluted story to get you to that place.
"How can I make a shaggy joke out of a fallacy of denial of the antecedent?"
That's how everyone writes jokes.
@@listek981 Norm does it best imo
Just a question though. Do you own a dog house?
and sometimes he drops the punchline entirely
Kept the jokes going even while he suffered in private. So long, Norm.
The joke is number 1. He's a different breed. I appreciate the laughs Norm
Norm looks about 35 hear. Pretty sure he wasn't diagnosed with cancer till he was about 50.
This was before he was diagnosed with cancer.
@@emanuelmota7217 we realise that this was before his cancer (im not fully retarded), that does not make the statment any less true, maybe not true for this particular talk, or act or whatever, but he was still suffering for years and kept the jokes rolling.
@@jonathanrandom7837 Who's "we"? Are you speaking for knucklehead? Because his original comment clearly indicates that he thinks Norm had cancer while doing this performance on Conan. Your point is irrelevant.
I saw this when it aired and have been looking for it. "University of Science" still gets me!
So I says to the guy, I says, I says, I says.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that. God bless em both.
i bet you would do better
Ya know ya know ya know ya know
Then homeland security comes
A lot of people back East talk like that
He turns dad jokes into room levelers
@burteriksson Dad joke = a joke viewed as lame. They usually contain cheap puns or tired cliches, and mostly contain clean language.
Room leveler = A joke which results in an explosion of laughter from the audience.
@burteriksson dads predominantly make cheesy jokes to their kids to annoy them, hence being called dad jokes. Dont be so politically correct, that's fascism.
@burteriksson Go fuck yourself with the political correctness bullshit.
@@ankstuhful as a dad, I genuinely find the jokes funny
@burteriksson ah shoot, not one of you gays raving on again
Well at least he's not a hypocrite
That is true, mr. Darker
What do you mean? Why?
@@Fralsii He's referring to a joke about Bill Cosby. ;)
No sir, he is a deeply closeted gay man
@@SweetComputing who?
I'm a "professor of logic" (although that's not my actual title - I teach an intro to logic course to philosophy undergrads) and I show this video to my class to illustrate the fallacy of *_denying the antecedent_* (that's the "mistake" Norm makes at the end of the clip). He manages to make it funnier than any other example I've found.
For those interested, the fallacy of denying the antecedent takes the form:
If P, then Q. (In this case: if doghouse, then heterosexual)
Therefore, if not P, then not Q. (If no doghouse, then not heterosexual)
cool :)
thanks for this :)
yeah, this second layer to this joke is really wonderful, especially since he's playing an ignorant guy in this bit. according to wikipedia, he dropped out of university, but he enrolled in mathematics while he was there. so i'm sure this joke was very intentionally crafted
The inference would be correct if it was:
If and only if P, then Q
Plato, not Testicles ( tes-tuh-cleeze ) disproved the full gonad theorem.
I love how Norm has some old timey speech patterns, like "I never heard tell of that"
so i says to him i says
i think its because he is an avid reader and he is wicked smart... he throws in so much comedy through his stories that its hard to keep up... just watch his 12 minute joke.
You never heard tell of a boot?
SW627 I’m Canadian. It’s not a Canadian thing, at least not where I’m from haha
@SW627 His dad was 55 years older than him, so he was basically raised by the generation before the one others his age were.
The most underrated part of this joke is how nobody in Norm's joke universe has ever heard the word "logic" before
They never heard tell of it.
@@emanuelmota7217 lol!
Logic? WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?
Not everyone has attended the University of Science.
So explain to the folks at Norm's joke what logic is...
"Come have a chicken with me!"
Not even the punchline, but it has me in stitches
Sorry to be that guy, but I don't get the chicken bit... can you explain it please?
@@calebgodard4554 Its just a strange choice of words to invite someone over for dinner.
@@olliejones722 Thank you!
@@calebgodard4554its cut off in this clip but at the end the gay guy at the bus stop invited norm to have chicken with him. so i guess another subtle joke was norm hitting on the professor of logic with the invitation
That line had me ROLLING. (And still does). Something about “having a chicken” is so freaking hilarious. RIP Norm.
The Greatest Of All Time! It was never about the punchline of the joke, it was always about the journey.
You nailed it!
Fuck. Really hoped he’d come back at some point. This is so devastating
Really sad Norm is gone. He was one of the best ever. RIP
It's stunning that Norm is this hilarious. His joke composition and delivery are so fucking weird, but they're phenomenal
Was
one of a kind. you cant really trace his influences cuz he's so original
His delivery was genius, there isn’t a comedian Alive who compares
I think there is some similarity with Kids in the Hall... it's sort of a Canadian style I guess
I recently noticed that Norm's style is actually more alike British-style comedy than American, which has more to do with quick wit and dry humour. A dream matchup would have been Bob Mortimer and Norm.
Norm was one of those gold rare comedians in which the actual joke telling is as funny (if not even more) than the punchline
RIP Norm, he’s cracking jokes with Patrice and Super Dave now.
Super Dave is dead??? Damn, this day keeps getting worse.
And cracking beers with Mitch...
or so the germans would have us believe.
And Sean Lock, I hope.
Because in heaven American and Brit comics actually get each others' jokes.
Definitely chillin with Farley
Unfortunately we can’t lose anymore comedians like Patrice and Norm that aren’t afraid to speak their mind…they’re a dying breed and we need them more now than ever…I would absolutely love to hear Patrice’s take on certain things these days
My theory about Norm is that he’s such a master of comedy that he tries to see if he can make people laugh with corny jokes just to keep himself sharp
This and the moth joke have two of the greatest punchlines for a deadpan joke. Rip Norm
Oh I don’t know… I think I serve a youthful porpoise
@@IncredibleDisplay you guys haven't heard of dirty Johnny??
@@zoulzopan don't ruin the punch . It's still lingering for some. Genius
The moth is absolutely classic.
@@zoulzopan and what about that New York taxi driver's riddle
The punchline is one thing; getting there is another class of comedy. So long, friend. I cried when I knew of your passing away two weeks ago.
I was just watching this when I learned of his passing. RIP Norm.
Me, too. Count Dankula brought me here.
Same. R.I.P Norm MacDonald.
3:57 - he's so proud of that joke, rightly so, RIP Norm.
-You have a doghouse
-Yes
-So you have a family
-Yeah, I keep them in the doghouse, how did you know
That made me laugh way more than the joke
@@claida339 No it didn't
"Just a guess, Mr Fritzl..."
“Come by and have a chicken with me” was the funniest part of the whole thing 🤣🤣🤣
Andy's reaction to that is hilarious.
My god its the small things with norm.
Not "some chicken"
"A chicken". Shouldn't be funny but in his hands it is
Hahaha, you're so right 😂
The genius here is that he actually bothers to complete the badly told joke right to the end despite the punchline being obvious minutes earlier and without improving his telling of the joke at any point throughout. Genius.
i adore norm. the man is witty and smart. i love his rambling yarns.
Norm smiling to himself as he tells the joke just makes you love him so much.
norm is a master. i like how even though the crowd is already laughing because they know where the joke is headed, he still gets ya with the delivery.
I knew the punchline that was coming but I still was ROTFL. RIP Yaphit.
Yes, part if Norm's style was that the punchline sometimes was obvious to everyone with half a minute left of the joke - but him still pushing on as if it wasn't.
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No problem
@@JeansWebbTv khggfdc
If i had a shot of vodka for every time norm said ''ya know''? I'd be dead
Mr.Meanor you would be drunk, sir, not dead, though i can see how that would confuse a light weight
zargmatt Mm, yeah, on my count there were only 14. I think it seemed like there'd be way more bc he loaded up 11 of those RIGHT at the start, and if you kept going at that rate, you'd either be dead or COVERED in vomit
@@zargmatt you must be very cool
How do, ya know?
I had a professor (at the University of Science) that was like this with the word, "basically". Granted he was from Russia and English wasn't his first language, but people already came up with a drinking game for it and said you'd probably die after a full lecture.
This joke would land flat for most of the people when they try to crack it, but with him it's the entire act, the narration that makes it become alive and we actually imagine standing on the bus stop and this happening that gets us laughing. Makes us realize talent isn't just in writing the jokes, it lies more in delivering them.
I LOVE that little part about the man he meets at the bus stop. Love how he brings us into this cutaway where we can see a bunch of people waiting for the bus and one eccentric guy who says he has a trick or two.
What a LEGEND.
The more you explain, the funnier it gets
Back in the day when you can strike up a conversation with another guy at the bus stop
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Isaac Bernath
you still can, you just need to be broke enough to ride the bus, yet happy enough inside to have some social skills.
@@AVERYhornyMrDinosaur *to bother having some social skills when you're that broke 😂
Can't anymore that's for sure
Also back in the day when you could strike up a cigarette without brown shirts beating you with batons as they tax you to death.
@@AVERYhornyMrDinosaur funny thing. I'm not broke enough to need it but still enjoy it.. Mostly when I travel. and luckily I have the social skills to do it.. But living in NYC gives you a whole different experience 🙊😂
Ah yes, the prestigious "University of Science"
Fuck yes. The very nature of comedy. Obscured reality
@@hospice8896 hmmm yes *strokes smart person moustache*
@@noises4978 let's do it in unison
I still can't get over that this comedy legend passed away so soon and so unexpectedly. One of the greatest comedians of all time. May Norm Rest in Peace.
I didn't even know he was sick
An incredible talent lost too young. RIP Norm. Thank you for giving the world your presence
RIP Norm, will miss these unique and precious deliveries
This is just genius, absolute genius. All of it, even the supposed throwaway chicken comment had a punchline. It's so good.
what’s the chicken punchline
@@noahepker8212 chicken is sometimes used as a euphemism for women
@@noahepker8212 Thought it was a intended as a euphemism for "cock". Little jab at the having a family thing and something to laugh back at after the punchline. Other guy might be right tho
@@benluu5756 a at A
I'm pretty sure it's a racist joke - the way he first said neighbors and continued to say it. The looks him and Conan have on their faces saying it , then the chicken line...
Conan is so talented he pulled off a full blown laugh without opening his mouth.
sisbrawny It was Andy Richter. Also, nice joke... sorry I ruined it, but I was already typing. Lol
It's ok. If you trace your mouse over the progress bar, you can watch Norm get whiplash.
I 'discovered' him like last year and he immediately became my all-time favourite. I was so eagerly waiting for the new season of Norm Macdonald Live. RIP 💔
I had a similar thing with George Carlin, I found his stuff, watched it all, by the time I was all in on Carlin he died.
Fucking sucks.
This one needs to be memorised if you're a philosophy postgrad with teaching duties...
Robert Wilson except that the inference in the joke is invalid
I meant it as a way of entertaining students in an introduction to logic class to highlight deductive and inductive logic and to highlight faulty forms of reasoning. You'll also notice that many jokes actually rely on invalid inferences, if you really want to be a smartarse. It's also odd that you've guessed from my sentence that my intention is to use the joke as an example of pristine reasoning, when it's the point of the joke that it isn't.
I really can't stand smart arses over the internet. What, really, is the point of your response? Make yourself feel smart by assuming my motive?
I was only being cheeky. You're intelligence was never being questioned
Oh, okay. Fair enough. Sorry, I'm a hot head and missed the humour. Ironic really.
The joke is a bit dated too. The part about the dog and the family made perfect sense at the time, but Hollywood has done such a great job convincing White People not to have children and to replace them with dogs in the years since that you cities like Portland that have more dogs than kids.
My cousin went to the University of Science - Great football team.
Norm MacDonald is the King -- the unidisputed King -- of the Bad Joke and the Shaggy Dog Joke. He has a delivery that is unique and undeniable. So shut up
winlip2 Jim Norton's Chip is a close second.
THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH NORM MACDONALD IS THAT HE'S CANADIAN.
Uhm, yes it is. He's not saying the joke is bad, but that the style of joke is the "bad joke" style. Which it is. It's intentionally corny humor.
I completely understand you! But! Isn't that just the average person?
Well, if McDonald's goal had been to point out the fallibility of logic (I believe it isn't), then he's doing a rather poor job of it here.
Firstly, the professor of logic in MacDonald's story was not inferring the sexual orientation of MacDonald from the fact that MacDonald owns a doghouse. After every question from the professor, MacDonald answered in the affirmative. Thus, the professor received new information after every inferential step in his reasoning. This means the professor was only inferring from the fact that MacDonald owned a doghouse to the fact that he owned a dog, from the fact that he owned a dog to the fact that he has a family, and so on. These are discrete inferential steps, all of which are much more plausible than the ridiculous inference from ownership of a doghouse to sexual orientation.
Secondly, these are all cases of inductive inferences, not deductive ones. Here's the difference: In an inductive inference from A to B, that inference is justified by the accumulated experience of cases where A is true tending to be cases where B is true. If your previous experience tells you that people who own doghouses tend to own dogs, that gives you reason to believe of someone you know owns a doghouse that she owns a dog. If it turns out she doesn't, that only means that your previous experience was not a good guide to this particular situation. In fact, it is in the nature of induction that this will sometimes be the case: After all, drawing inductive inferences essentially means estimating something unknown based on what is known. Logic tells us that inductive inferences are fallible, any concrete example of a failed inductive inference merely confirms what logic tells us.
Deductive inferences, on the other hand, are the ones found e.g. in the syllogisms MacDonald refers to. Generally, logic concerns itself with deductive inferences, induction and abduction are better left to epistemology and the philosophy of science. Therefore we say of a good case of deductive inference that it is a logically valid inference. For an inference from A to B to be logically valid, it must be the case that A being true and B being false leads to a logical contradiction. It is not a logical contradiction for someone to own a doghouse and not own a dog. (The dog might be dead.) Thus, the argument "A owns a doghouse, therefore A owns a dog" is not logically valid. If MacDonald had presented a logically valid deductive inference from a true premise to a false conclusion, he would have made a devastating argument not just for the fallibility of logic but for logic in its current form being fundamentally misguided. He has not.
I think most every logician would agree that logic is fallible, but in a relatively straightforward sense: The study of logic is done by humans. Human beings are, alas, fallible. The great logician Gottlob Frege himself managed to overlook Russell's paradox, a paradox rendering large swathes of his work false. Presumably, logicians will continue to make mistakes in the future, making logic fallible. I suspect you wanted to say that MacDonald has shown logic to be fallible in a much more dramatic sense. I hope I have helped show you this is not the case.
The way he waist the time and narrates the story is fantastic he anticipates us for more to hear even we can guess but still want to hear , Rest in peace man i love you
now I have to buy a doghouse to reassure myself of my heterostatus
zee339 Just remember, that doesn't work if you keep a naked teenage boy chained up in there.
@@marccolten9801 bahahahahaha
I bought myself a trash can to remind myself that I am a trash can
Marc Colten lol
Seems logical
One of the best deadpan comedians of all time. Always bucked the trends and stood up for what he believed in. You will be sorely missed Norm. Enjoy those cigars and big breasted women in paradise my friend.
Still watching and forgetting about all that’s going on in my crazy life. You’re one of the only people that can do that for me. Thanks for everything norm. Miss ya
Norm you were such a gift to the world! Badly missed.
funniest man to ever live. truely unique in every way. we are lucky to be alive to witness his brilliance. Rest in Peace, Canadian legend.
Andy’s reaction to the chicken joke was his purest reaction throughout the entire run of late nite, the tonight show, Conan. Ahaha
Good God isn't that something?!
The best. Hahahahah.
Conan is like a butterfly that never emerged from its chrysalis
Because he’s all dried up and brown and hanging from a leaf or something? I don’t get it
No, Conan is a full fledged butterfly, but he was smart enough to take his gig to streaming now. Colbert, Kimmel, and Fallon are dropping in the networks with their high octane DNC political commentary. Conan is fine.
Whose here from JRE? Listened to Burnt Chrysler recite this joke and had to listen the OG.
Yep ;) I've put the JRE on pause and came here because haven't heard this joke in fe months :) Next stop is the dirty uncle Johnny joke lol
@@maciek9947 heard it before and still had to watch it again
Yep
I am.
Me too but I just realised from googling professor of logic norm MacDonald ripped this joke off of Another comedian.. find it.. it's a goldfish instead of a dog 8 years ago.. to be honest I found Bert's version the funniest
Norm's logical fallacy (known in the classroom): "denying the antecedent".
Outside the classroom, hilarious.
it works because he pretends to be stupid.
This dude has the undeniable ability to land the HEAVIEST punchlines after what feels like a year of build up, and it's ALWAYS worth it
So you don't know Polo polo...
The genius is that the audience logically deduces the outcome of the joke through a logical presentation of an illogical deduction.
RIP you absolute legend. He's formulating syllogisms in heaven, now.
Had us laughing before he even finished the joke, a true master of his craft. Rest in Peace Norm 🙏🏼♥️♥️
He was a raconteur.
We know the punch line halfway in the joke but we can't stop listening. It's brilliant. I've watched the moth story every night since I heard about his passing and it cracks me up more and more
FUN FACT
If you remove every "you know" and "so I says" from this joke, the whole story takes 8.6 seconds from start to finish.
That's a neat fact there, you know.
Anyone who goes to the University of Science talks that way.
Also "the guys goes" or "the guy says"
Yeah I know,so I says it’s still very funny to watch him do that you know. That’s all I’m saying.
But they're essential to the story.
RIP Norm, truly one of the greatest comics of our time.
So sad that I learned about this man’s incredible ability of delivering lines after his passing, RIP good sir
He was a good and kind looking man. I remember him from the times when we watched SNL every Saturday. He went too early. It is an untimely death. Rest in peace, Norm, from all the worries of the world of people.
you can see it coming and then when it arrives you just bask in its glory.
Haha, watched this so many times, and it always makes me laugh so damn hard. Love how he can't hold it together when he says "I'm always one to meet the neighbors", knowing it total bs haha.
Of all the comics, I think I've watched his content the most over the years. I would always check for his new stuff on youtube, and I sensed something was up since it's been a while since he made any new appearances, but couldn't imagine he was dying. Such a shock. Such a loss. RIP, Norm.
From now on, if I ever want to make sure someone is straight without having to ask, I’m just going to ask them if they have a dog house
"Has cats" is often shorthand for feminist/lesbian these days.
Absolute devastated about this news. RIP Norm.
I'm laughing at his jokes again to pay my respect. RIP Norm 💔
Came back this after hearing he passed. So funny. RIP to a fearless legend. Need more comics like him today!
What a pleasant funny guy, he will be greatly missed 😢
I just listened to his standup piece earlier today for the 100th time to cheer me up, came to this late evening and found out of his passing... No words. RIP Norm MacDonald.
Oh Norm, you will be missed. Rest easy champ 💔
He takes a simple joke and stetches the setup, makes tge setup the funniest part, then finishes, eventually with the so so punchline, which somehow then seems hilarious. Bravo.
This joke was incredibly popular in Greece around 1996-2000. I wonder if someone got it from Norm and translated it to Greek because it sounds more natural in English