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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2021
- What a crazy (and expensive) summer it’s been searching for the perfect exhaust for my 2020 Harley Davidson Lowrider S with S&S 475 cam. I started with a TBR Comp S because they sounded great on stage I bikes. A high lift/duration cam produces a much louder and very different note due to the increased exhaust gas combustion, but even more so performs very differently in the area of torque and horsepower. Those two factors left me feeling very unsatisfied with the TBR pipe. Learning that Harley M8 run better with a longer pipe, I went for the S&S Superstreet non-cat pipe and it did produce a more linear power curve. However that curve performed best where are the TBR performed the least. After many more hours of research and calls to fuel Moto I rolled the dice on the jackpot riot pipe.
I hope you enjoy my recap of this journey as I take a late night ride through our beautiful city of Anchorage, Alaska.
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Killer sound! And look, too.
Hi Rob, about 2 weeks ago I had my 2018 RK 107 dyno tuned after installing the Red shift 468 torque cam with S&S Sidewinder 2-1 no cat system and Dynojet tuner. The torque profile produced was very similar to the profile of your TBR pipe. I had torque peaks at about 2650 and 4500 rpm. Needless to say I was disappointed. My dyno guy worked and worked but couldn't tune that characteristic out. He told me it was my pipe. I do enjoy a well detailed report such as you have delivered here and I just wanted to say thanks.
Well thank you for taking the time to reply back. That’s the biggest reason that I wanted to put this together, plus it was pretty fun. Let me know how it turns out for you down the road. I also put a jackpot RTX on my CVO street glide with a 131 and I am editing footage from that one right now. An absolutely amazing increase in power on that bike too.
@@robb907 I can't even imagine the 131. It must be a total brute. Enjoy.
Hello Rob
I’m also in Anchorage getting ready to order the 3rd exhaust for my 19’ Breakout Special.
Been running the Bassani Road Rage II for the past 2 years. Stupidly loud!
Also have the 475 kit on my 114, but went to the straight-cut valve gears.
Your video has been exactly what I’ve needed to help me select my next exhaust system.
Many, many thanks 🙏
Right on, glad I could help!
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing. I got the same numbers as the jackpot with my basani two into one with the 475 cam.
Nice! That was the other one I was looking at before I bought the jackpot. Good to know.
Greetings from Florida! Thank you for the info and helping me on my decision on a new exhaust.
You got one? You try it yet?
Thats a worthy review 👌
Great vid, cheers Bro 👍👊👊
Thanks man 👊🏼
Excellent video Rob! It is interesting how different exhaust play with the same cam. I called S&S and spoke with them before I ordered my exhaust. They recommended the Cat version because in their testing...it made more TQ and HP throughout the range except except for a couple ponies at the top! I run the Wood 22XE cam and with the cat version....I am producing roughly 127 / 128 corrected HP/TQ. With the cat and db reducer IN like I'm running....it is deep and throaty and plenty loud for me. It seems like I am in a minority though....most guys here in FL have super loud, ear splitting exhaust. Thanks for an excellent video brother....bike sounds bad ass.....Gene :)
Climate is a very interesting factor, albeit I am running the target tune wide bands. Engines up here in general just like to breathe. A little back pressure is important for M8 engines but the cats definitely choke them out up here. As of today we now have snow on the ground and it looks like it’s going to stick this time so thinking about Florida has me super jealous! Ride hard, have fun brother!
@@robb907 Thanks brother be safe in that cold for sure!
Rob,
Think that’s a great suggestion. Really liked how your bike sounds with the Jackpot system. Hope you’re having a fantastic Christmas 🎄
Likewise, brother, you as well.
On another note, I sold that bike to my cousin but built a bigger badder big bore in a ‘22 Road Glide ST. I put a Jackpot RTX on that bike. 160 hp build. Sounds mean AF. The good thing is that it extends a few inches past the bag so it doesn’t blow my ears out, just everyone else’s. 😁
Great video
Thanks man!
Just got this pipe on my Street Bob! It’s quieter than I thought it’d be. Hopefully that will change whenever I put my Fuel Moto 124” kit on. This review was the reason I pulled the trigger on this pipe thanks!
I’m guessing your 124 kit will have a more aggressive cam and that will for sure make it louder. Right on man, congratulations! Can’t wait till raining season
@@robb907 yeah got the level B heads and I’m running the wm8-9960 cam with .600 lift should be pretty gnarly
@@noobhooligan6421 right on. Be pretty exciting to see what you can do with that.
Thats awesome thank you for that I just made my decision on getting that pipe I have a bassani road rage right which I love but that jackpot is the sound im looking for gonna be doing my 475 cam here soon too
Nice! I bet you won’t regret it. Keep in touch, let me know how it goes for you. Excellent power combination for sure.
Yup… I also have the Bassani and love it.. cams, plate, oil pump, lifters, primary tensioner and centrifugal clutch plate coming this winter
Finally time for me to upgrade and think I'm going with the Thrashin Supply AR Pipe. That's what the shop recommend where I'm getting the work done "moonshine Harley". But this pipe you running sounds Fantastic!
Yes! I recently learned about that pipe as well. Probably gonna be great.
Good job.
Thank bruh
Nice look, sound! Did you consider the Fuel Moto Contender exhaust? I like that also, wondering if there’s a difference in sound and performance. Thank you
Sounds great. Is your engine stock other than cam? Like the bike.
it does sound good man. The 475 cam just makes any bike sound so much better in itself in my opinion too
Agreed. Best cam I’ve seen so far for this type of build. Thinking about doing an S&S 128 10.75:1 build soon.
@@robb907 have you ever heard in person Star Racing 30/30 cam?
@@jjs8046 no I haven’t. Chunky?
@@robb907 seems like a great competition for 475 - results and sound. It's aka MHP 485.
@@jjs8046 nice! I just completed an S&S 128 build on this bike. I used fuel Moto‘s kit with level a CNC ported heads and selected a wood WM8408 cam. Just finished my heat cycle process and I’m going to put on the Dino and tune this Thursday. I loved that 475 cam but it was time to move forward with something bigger. I filmed a lot of it so I’ll see if I can piece together anything worth watching lol
One of the most interesting videos on different M8 exhausts. I have a ''23 LRS 117 with TBR Turnout and SE tune. All was done by dealer before I bought it and retained warranty. All in all it pulls strong down low, then a slight dip, then it pulls really well to the top.Later when i get an S&S 475, might go with your system. People say the M8 doesn't sound like a Shovelhead. Well, with your setup, it sounds magnificent, especially at idle. Thanks for the info. P.S.I was wondering why there was some light left at 11:30. Alaska!
I have your exact setup but with the tbr 2-1 turnout exhaust. I feel the dip too. I’ll be switching exhausts soon.
Are you running a PowerVision‘s for a tuner by chance? I’ve also discovered that power visions will create a dip and the autotune process. If you buy the PowerVision‘s from fuel Moto then they’ll tweak your map for you and send it back. I eventually built a 128 11.5:1 and .520 lift Wood WM8 408 cam on that bike and had that darn dip again. I sent it to Fuel Moto made some tweaks we tuned it again and it turned out great 2 dyno tuning sessions is kind on spendy but worth it. Our local dyno technician uses the handheld with the auto tune and hits all the spots to get the data populated. I have seen other people have issues with these dips using thunder max as well.
We were not able to tune the dip out on the SNS 475 cam stage 2 set up. Just changing the exhaust was all that was needed. Goes to show that it could be a number of things causing it.
Good info, I got a 2020 Low Rider. I saw the same dip with a TBR and went with a RB Racing 2-1. The dip went away and it pulls good throughout the rpm range. I plan on a big bore kit and 475 cam and this pipe should perform pretty well. I had not seen the FM Jackpot 2-1 until this video.
Amazing how much difference exhaust makes isn’t it?
mic sounds nice and clear. which one are you using?
Sweet vid Rob, what kind of mirrors are you running? I love how they tuck down like that
Believe it or not I actually got those off the wall at my local dealer. This is the link: www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/Profile-Custom-Mirrors/p/56000135
Bikes sound and looks good, the Vance & Hines 2-Into-1 Stainless Upsweep is a good option of exhaust for this bike as well..
I like V&H pipes also
Recently threw this cam in and notice a flat spot below 2500 rpm....then the power comes on like crazy 2 stroke style powerband. Exhaust I currently run is Bassani road rage, I may have to switch.
“Power comes on like a 2 stroke”… that describes it PERFECTLY. The Jackpot is like that as well, only no flat spot. Been very enjoyable.
Thanks for the video. Do you have a tuner or did you just get a dyno tune?
I run a Power Vision and Target Tune with the map Fuel Moto developed for the Jackpot pipe. They recommend running auto tune but it runs so good I haven’t gotten around to it. That being said I am a fan of dyno tuning tho.
Wow sounds awesome. Now thinking of getting this but would love to know the Db on idle from about 5-6 feet away standing behind the bike. This is because I commute and also I do long rides on weekends
Would it be too much trouble to download an app onto your phone and get an average reading on idle when the bike is nice and warmed up ? Thanks so much
I have tried a few apps in the past and I don’t think they’re that reliable because they were so different. That’s why I don’t really talk about those… However, I bet if you call fuel Moto customer service they would be able to tell you. Plus I have stage two S&S 475 cam which is a lot louder than stock and other Cam‘s. My buddy has a Woods cam and identical exhaust and his is quieter.
@@robb907 no probs I’ll contact them 👍 I saw in their description for that exhaust, you can change the volume ? 🤔 I’ve also got a low rider s with the 475c cam. Currently I have S&S slash cut slip ons (which do come with a db reducer) but they sound pretty tinny!
@@Crowbar381 it’s tunable. There is an adjustable torque tab in the baffle. You can tune for max hp or max torque or wherever in between. That may change the pitch, not sure but I don’t know if there’s a dB killer available or not. It’s actually not terrible. In my honest opinion it’s perfect pitch and sound.
I'm in love at 4:23
Haha heck yeah man it never gets old 😜
if you could guide me on where I can buy the S&S nun-cat version cause honestly it's my first time buying a Harley and I just got a 2023 0miles ST.
FuelMoto.com, Revzilla, or JP Cycles outa have it. Just make sure it’s not “50 state legal” version.
Hello !
Great vidéo thank you ! Does that means that the S&S Superstreet is behind the TBR and the Jackpot in terms of performance ?
I will go this winter for stage 2 kit S&S 475 with gears
I have a TBR megaphone and a Screamin Eagle Heavy breather Élite on my bike. I'm wondering if i have to change my exhaust
Thanks ! Cheers from France !
Howdy! Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Your question on the Superstreet, compared to the other two, yes. Maybe it could be tuned a bit but that’s a lot of ground to make up to catch up with the other two pipes I used. I’ve found others that have the TBR and other short pipes have the same experience- good power up top, but a flat spot down low. The S&S is a long pipe so maybe that’s the key for a linear power band, but something about it’s design makes lower hp and torque all the way across, maybe the super long narrow passage muffler. The Jackpot is long like the S&S but it’s headers and muffler are more like the TBR but a LOT more heavy duty. The shorter more open muffler maybe? My buddy has a TBR on his 131 and blew out the baffle and end cap. They sound nice but just don’t stand up to the higher power engine builds. I heard that the D&D and RB Racing produced similar numbers as my Jackpot also. That leads me to believe that with a high lift/duration cam, the key is long pipe, short muffler. You are definitely going to love that cam! I hope this helps, cheers from Alaska!
@@robb907 thanks for the detailed explanation !
In terms of long pipe I've heard that the Bassani works also pretty well !
@@pierreguyonvarch6142 yes! Heard good things about that one as well
I know you did this video about your exhaust but was wondering if your mirrors will touch the tank if you turned to sharp or if they have clearance. I was thinking about flipping mine over but didn’t think it would clear
No worries. On my Lowrider S they did not touch the tank at all. Friend of mine had a Fat Bob for a while and when he flipped the stock mirrors underneath, they did hit the tank. But he took a tubing bender and bent them so they were a little closer toward the grips so that they wouldn’t rub and they looked pretty cool like that also.
And by the way, thank you for your service!
What is your mic setup? Sounds perfect also bike!!!
Thanks man! I use a purple panda lavaliere mic and GoPro 9 w/ media pack
I have the jackpot riot on my 22 FXLRST and it is the best imho. Pipe does not exude a lot of heat even here in az
what cam are you running? air cleaner set up? Thanks!
At the time it was an S&S 475 and Arlen Ness MonsterSucker.
Sounds great. Ss 475 cam however, how do you like it? Are you getting full range from low to mid?
With this pipe I am. It’s a great cam, but with the wrong pipe, it can be disappointing in the low and the mid.
@robb907 I just purchased a stealth 2-1 pipes on my 114 with current set up typical stage 2 with harley torque cam. I am thinking about swapping a cam but don't know what is optimal cam that cam bring out the beast in. I am looking for low to mid range.
@@paulson9616 well I can tell you that with this cam and this pipe you can get that as you see in my dyno sheets. Plus the tunability within the baffle is interesting. With this set up here I can pull from a dig with about as much as you can get out of it for a stage II build. Plus, I just ordered an SNS 128 10.75:1 cylinder kit. With this cam and stock heads should see 135 horse 145 torque. I’m going to film the install and piece it into a video later.
@@robb907 looking 4ward to it
@@paulson9616 I also have a Stealth 2 in 1 on my 20 fxlrs! I'm about to get this 475 cam kit for my bike! I can't wait!
Did you try tuning the dip out? Blockhead had the same exhaust with the dip and the auto tuner tuned it out with a few days of riding and according to that dyno graph it pulls harder through the entire band with that tuned out. Only thing we don’t know is could the auto tuned tune the jackpot better through the entire band also 🤔
Yes we did, the pull on the dyno sheet in the vid was from the tune. The bold red line was from the Jackpot and map Fuel Moto emailed w/ out tuning. I saw the vid where Chris said he could tune it out but never found an update on that. Been awhile since I looked though. If I recall they were going to try to use the thunder max for that. Did you see an update?
@@robb907 yea they were able to tune it out with that tuner and made some more gains up top
@@mustanggang3889 A buddy of mine has one of those pipes on his 131 and the dip wasn’t as bad as mine with the 114 and S&S 475. My plan is to tune us over the winter unless I decide to order a 128 kit for it. On another note, I have a 131 in my street glide and ordered a similar Jackpot two into one for that. The thing is an absolute ferocious beast now.
@@robb907 nice bro. You going to build the 131 or just the 114 for now? That 590 cam in the 131 is a animal!
@@mustanggang3889 I had my 131 in my CVO done by my buddy at my dealer last fall. I did my cam kit on my Lowrider last winter myself and may do a 10.75:1 128 kit on that this winter.
Looks and sounds great, dude. And uh, use your brights on those dark roads lined with trees. Deer are stinking everywhere here in south east Ohio. Sorry, got a mental picture of you cracking a deer in half.
Here it’s moose
I did not actually get it, ‘cause I’m not an English speaker. What actually is the exhaust that’s making this sound ?
It’s called Jackpot Riot from Fuel Moto. Here is the link:
www.fuelmotousa.com/i-23899055-jackpot-rtx-riot-2-into-1-shorty-exhaust-raw-stainless-steel-m8-flh.html
so what did u do with the s&s pipe?
I sold it on Facebook. Believe it or not a guy that lives in Cole Bay, AK bought it.
Good info but youre killing me! I just decided in the S & S pipe for my 114 Heritage. I only have stage 1 right now but going to a RS 468 stage 2.
Sorry! but the struggle is real… 😂. I’ve heard good things about that Cam. If it makes you feel any better, I have bought two more jackpot pipes for two other bikes, and still my favorite for horsepower and torque.
@robb907 now I will have to look into it but so many people have said the s & s makes power. Your dyno says otherwise
@@gambietti yup I know it. The S&S has been out a while and the other 2 are relatively new by comparison. My theory is that the S&S rear cylinder pipe bend is too tight where it curves around the timing cover plus the muffler being as long as it is. But I’m not an expert.
@robb907 well that's a double disappointment bc Fuel Moto doesn't make the pipe for my bike!
@@gambietti you won’t really have to worry about it until you go to stage two. Have you looked into HPI or TBR? The short megaphone style muffler makes a difference I believe.
Are you sold on the low rider S? Trying to decide on a bike.
Thanks! Other than the air in take exhaust and Cam, engine is stock. If this type of cruiser is what you’re looking for then I highly recommend the Lowrider S. I have a friend with a fat Bob and that’s a pretty nice ride as well. Has a very sporty feel to it but still an old-school look
@@robb907 Thanks..yeah like the Low Rider S and the Street Glide look. Also like the bobbers and choppers that Jason Momoa rides.
@@dry509 yeah man me too so I have both!
I changed TBR turnout to SS Only race similar Chart but SS Only Race have higher numbers performance is higher definitely than TBR very Disappointed of TBR Product probably these pipes are for Race bikes not Harleys.
I see great performance from DD Jackpot but I don't like the look of it but sounds great and the Chart looks great. Great bike looking bike!
Thanks for your perspective! I wondered what it would produce if I spend some time tuning it. To me I goofed by ordering chrome and it just didn’t look good on the build so decided to move on because of that. Definitely good quality.
@@robb907 I ordered black since I blacked out my Fat Bob :)
@@amg5795 I know that looks great! My buddy has a blacked out jackpot on his fat Bob
Are those stock handlebars?
The bars, yes. The risers are 1-1/4 inch Buffalo handlebar risers by Drag Specialties 5.5 inch rise. www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/drag-specialties-1-14-buffalo-handlebar-risers-for-harley?sku_id=958385
@@robb907 Thanks!👍👍
@@jax3464 no prob. The upper clutch cable is a 37” out of the Harley parts catalog. Or you can re-route it to the right side of the frame for free.
Would you recommend going all FuelMoto if I want to go to stage 2 from stock?
With S&S 475 CAM kit. I’m newish to riding I have a 21 streetbob
I would. Those guys are always willing to talk to you and help you figure out what you need.
Ain’t no sneaking out with that set up lol thing sounds mean
Thanks man. You are to hear it now. I built up a 128 11:1 S&S with a wood WM8408 cam. .520 lift 248/248 duration
@@robb907 Yeet Yeet !
I am watching this video 10th time and the only problem with this exhaust I have is it's loudness - it seems to be a little too quiet.
Ahh yes, A little perspective for you because the microphone effect doesn’t really help with decibels. By comparison, it is a little quieter than a TBR’s comp ass pipe, but not much. When you open the throttle up it gets pretty gnarly. I hope that helps.
@@robb907 of course it does.
I wish there was a performance pipe as loud as those staggered V&H. 🤷♂️
@@jjs8046 oh man, The short shot staggered you mean? Those are my favorite pipes and that’s what I started with on this bike. I put The S&S 475 cam in before I even rode it. You can punch holes in concrete with them things. If you like loud it doesn’t get much louder. But the bike didn’t run very good. These M8’s like 2/1 pipes.
@@jjs8046 yeah I just re-read what you wrote LOL. Exactly, That would be great!
@@robb907 2-1 are growing on me. Cobra? Bassani? TBR?
I don't know.
I wish it was RTX but...
Bummer! Just found out I can’t get a Jackpot exhaust for my “wide-body” Breakout
Back to the investigation 🤦♂️
You could call Fuel Moto. Just an idea. They’re good about advise too and they sell most everything.
Sounds awesome, but I would never put that hideous looking exhaust on my bike.
🤣. My buddies used to say that until I pulled ahead enough times
Your mirrors are upside down
No, they are where I put them 😎
Yes looks good ? But in my enviroment need heat sheilds, i end up going to the D&D Abuelo 2 into 1