Gavin is an inside joke from the Rockstar employees because a rockstar developer called Gavin rarely showed up. Also a good mystery is the witches cauldron.
@@monkey5225Skinner? Like the Skinner brothers? Lol I'm sure there's no connection but I think that's a little funny. I bet he's regretting his decision, pressing X to doubt this masterpiece. That's crazy. Thanks for sharing though, man. Take care.
Just recently replayed RDR2 and just now noticed the shirt Abigail gives John during the epilogue is the one he wears when he dies in RDR1, not a mystery but still amazed how much detail this game had put into it. One of the best.
That's interesting, something I'd not notice though as I've not played rdr1. Damn well love rdr2 though, it's the best game I've played so far, and I've played all the other best ones - but, there's something just so special about the depth and story of RDR2 - no other game is as immersive or detailed, R* really smashed it when they made this masterpiece of digital art.
@@AlqhemyA And is a completely different character. He was retconned into a simple minded fool, the opposite of how he was portrayed in RDR 1. That and all the other reconns, character changes, plot holes and flaws are really annoying.
he was showed as being simple minded but a good guy in red dead 1 alot lf his ideals are normal like speaking to marshal he says i would rather teach jack right from wrong other times he disapproves of characters it just shows he's wise not smart
The animal skins on scaffolding does have a reason. Some Native American culture practiced a tradition called “Sky Burials” which the body is not buried under the Earth but raised to the sky for various cultural reasons. Among Lakota and Sioux cultures the bodies of the dead were feared as disease carriers and by raising them above the ground to distance themselves. Notably sky burials were also reserved for warriors and thus was highly respected. Given the addition stone axe, the remains of hunted animals and the medicine wheel formed by the rocks, the reason why tossing a fire bottle at the site lowers your honor and changes the weather is you are desecrating a sacred burial site for fallen warriors. The lightning strike might be evidence of a spirit, possibly Wakan Tanka or the Thunderbird trying to warn you or smite you. It may also be a hint at the fate of two named native characters in the game. Sky Burials attract predatory birds and vultures as the means of disposal of the body (by scattering the remains after they are consumed.). In Lakota culture rain symbolizes renewal after destruction of the land. This hints of the fate of the characters of Eagle Flies, a warrior who dies in battle and Rain Falls, who lives on and eventually finds a new land to make a new life. (The Wapiti are a fictional tribe based on the Lakota and every Native American character in game speaks Lakota.). The Lakota are the only tribe of Native Americans that forced the U.S. to sign a peace treaty with them, and we’re famously the tribe opposing US forces at the battle of Little Bighorn aka Custar’s Last Stand. Edit: Sky Burial is not exclusive to Native American cultures and was practiced in Aboriginal Australian cultures, certain Buddhist regional variants as an alternative funeral right when the preferred ceremonial cremation was not practical (often due to lack of sufficient kindling for such fires). While most commonly associated Tibetan Buddhism, but was also observed in regions in China and Mongolia (in these cases the corpse’s disposal by carrion birds was explicitly part of the reason the use was favored and the endangered nature of such birds is one of the main reasons the practice is largely abandoned in the modern world.) and in certain cultures by in the Caucasus Mountains. In all societies that once practiced sky burial it is now rarely if ever done as it is was usually a less efficient use of land (burial uses the same amount of space and hides the visual and ofactorial unpleasantness of the process and is less efficient overall when compared to cremation.
At the bottom of a tombstone at the native american burial site, at night, I think maybe either 12 or 3 AM, you can see faint blue glowing text if you zoom in with a scope. I know it sounds like a joke, but when the game came out, I experimented with this area for hours. This is one thing I found I’ve never seen mentioned. In this save I had also burnt the site, and brought people to the site to sacrifice. I sacrificed many many animals and humans, and they rotted faster than anything else I’ve ever seen rot in the game. Again, spooky, but this is from my own experience.
@@DocumentGaming i do have clips but i dont make videos, plus, you try sorting through like 500 1-5 min long clips to find one screen. Or i could look through my 500+ screenshots but again, its a pain, and i dont make videos. If i remember tomorrow maybe i will post it on the subreddit.
The strange man theory that he's a past victim is interesting, I just see a few problems with its. John shoots him 3 times and the gun jams on the 4th indicating the death of John, Uncle and Abigail and the last one being Jack why it jams because he's the only one who survives. Meaning the strange man has an idea of past and future deaths. Also John says "Damn you" and he says "Many have" a past victim wouldn't say something like this and he calls himself an accountant "of sorts" which has deeper meaning than just being a plain old accountant
It really is amazing how if you just play the main story, you see a gritty realistic western, but if you do a little exploring or do certain sidequests, there's a LOT of supernatural horror just under the surface.
But isn’t that awesome. Rockstar literally puts us there in the mindset. The ppl back then prolly thought so many things were supernatural because they hadn’t the science or knowledge. And we sit and play the game feeling the same. Fully immersed.
I preordered rdr2 and played it the literal second it came out. Rdr1 was my childhood and I’m STILL finding stuff out about both games years and years later. Just goes to show how amazingly well built rockstars games are.
On the Mysterious Man and the Cain theory, I’m surprised that it wasn’t mentioned that Cain is brought up in RDR2. You can overhear Dutch having a conversation with Jack and telling him the story of Cain and how he was condemned to wander after doing a ‘bad thing’. So the devs are certainly familiar with the tale, enough to have dialogue pertaining to it in the game itself. Also, it may have been simple rng but I overheard this convo right before I went fishing with Javier and Arthur asks if Javier thinks Dutch is doing things differently now and references what happened ‘to that girl on the ferry’. Which could be a reference to the same girl the man mentions to John. It may be a longshot theory but I wouldn’t necessarily count that one out.
I went to catholic school growing up and am very aware of the story and lore surrounding Cain and Abel and never made the connection until Lagging Leleand blew the case wide open. Nice work.
I don't think it can be Cain. He was also cursed that any plant life would die in his vicinity. Plus, Cain goes on to found a city after finding other humans that seemingly existed but weren't discussed. He even married. Marston tries to shoot him 3 times, denoting Paul "doubting" 3 times. Where that final interaction happens, with the shots fired, also happens to be where John and Abigail will be buried; under the tree overlooking their ranch.
@@LaggingLelandold comment but dude your theory is genius I don’t even know how you came up with this. The fact that he shoots him 3 times and is in return shor 21 times had sealed the deal for me, much love bro ❤
I am on my 6th straight play through of Arthur's part ( I am disabled so I am home 24/7 so I play a lot). There are so many details that it can be like playing a new game almost everytime. That is why I love these kinds of videos so much.
I personally think that the creature sounds you hear after desecrating any of the several sacred Indian grounds in the game imply the existence of the Native American mythological creature, the Wendigo.
"in the game imply the existence of the Native American mythological creature, the Wendigo." 4 things.. 1.) Native Americans are not one people but many different groups, cultures and world views. You can't just mix and match what you please. 2.) The Wendigo is specific to the Algonquian tribes and doesn't exist in the oral traditions of any of the other tribes. 3.) The Wapiti Indians are conglomeration of the Lakota tribe and other tribes from the Great Planes and Rocky Mountains of which the Algonquian are not a part of and thus the Wapiti would not have any traditions of wendigo. 4.) Rock* are not idiots and would know this, a basic google search of "wendigo" reveals as much. You don't need to be an anthropologist to figure it out.
@@Princess_Celestia_ Thanks for educating me! I'm very ignorant about history lol especially American history, I'm personally from Indonesia and my country's so uninvolved from the rest of the world's history that I pretty much just know what they taught us in middle school and high school, which largely revolves around WW2 and our independence.
Same here! I do a play through perhaps once a year since it came out. This time around, I discovered a double rainbow, and archeologist that pays you for dinosaur bones you find, and a gold miner in a river that you can rob for a gold nugget.
@@WaldoBagelTopperthere’s also a little shed way up north in the Ambarino roughly between and above the “N” and “O” of Ambarino, where a platinum watch, gold nugget, and platinum earrings/ band spawn, as soon as you pick them up you can set up your camp while you’re still in the shed, after this every time you ride back to the shed after setting up camp the loot will respawn, you could easily get 99 golden nuggets if you’re willing to repeat the process 99 times.
i have a theory that the ghost train is what alerted the law to the gang during pouring forth oil. we never found out how the law knew about the robbery. and the robbery happens right where the ghost train spawns. even the scene with the law finding arthur is eerie. the music that plays. it always felt like an odd scene. my theory is that there was a posse of law out one night and they saw the ghost train and followed it. and it led them right to arthur and friends. it's similar to how the ghost dog in gta 5 tells franklin about dom being in trouble twice. i know the theory is unlikely. but in a game with ufos and time travelers. it doesn't seem impossible.
@@Princess_Celestia_ micah didn't rat until after guarma. and honestly if the ghost train is what led them to the robbery. would they really put that in the newspaper? who would believe that a ghost led them to a robbery. nobody would buy a newspaper from that company again. it would sound so unbelievable. and nobody would believe it. so it's better to just say they were tipped off by someone.
I think the ghost train is maybe just a personal thing to Arthur, perhaps it's supposed to be a memory of some sort which he's reflecting on , after all that mission is the first one where there is suspicion of a snitch
there was a meteorite trinket but it was scrapped, and to stop people from getting it they simply made the recipe need 3, when theres only 2 in the game
There are a ton of trinkets that were planned but scrapped. The game is basically half-finished and half-assed. Hence also why so many "mysteries" are unsolved: They simply weren't finished.
@@mattj1829 In terms of half finished content, it is. Take a deep dive into all the myseries and all the started stuff and what even divers into the files couldn't uncover. There's so much missing. And the writing really is sub-par after chapter 3. You can tell that Strauss Zelnick put his greedy jew foot down and demanded a premature release
If you compare the released game to the original vision and all the cut content, then it is literally HALF assed. 50% of the game they were planning on making had to get cut because of time constraints. Instead of taking 2 extra years to create the greatest piece of art in history, they cut it mid-development and released it in an unfinished state. It's sad.@@mattj1829
11:11 you can find notes talking about how the serial killer is prescribed to laudanum. He could have used that as a way to sedate his victims before ambushing them by drugging their water.
Nah, you would be able to taste it and the team would be like, what the turd? Also, it would take many bottles to sedate the team so that they would be weak as funk.
@@lobotomyscam1051 bro, I appreciate your attention to detail. However I just have to iterate something. Laudanum in 1880 was a vague "medicine" with a very inconsistent recipe. Normally laudanum was comprised of morphine/cocaine/opium/peyote etc, if it's illegal today? It was used in that stuff back then. So yeah, I get it, they may have "tasted" some weird taste. But when you just swallowed a mouthful of elephant tranquilizer, it doesn't really matter how big and healthy you are.
This game is 5 years old and people are STILL discovering new stuff in it. I always feel like one day, some gamer somewhere is going to discover a secret buried so ridiculously deep, that it's going to reignite RDR2 online community again. I wonder if Rockstar has any way of knowing if there is any element of this game that hasn't been discovered yet. I can't wait to see what RDR3 is going to be someday. But people are still playing part 2 so much that 3 isn't going to come out for like a 100 years probably.
23:31 thinking about it, I remember that when you read Arthur's journal for the first time and goes back for the notes before the ferry massacre, Arthur mentions of him seeing "a man that looked like trelawny", now, the fact that he randomly mentioned it might be the way the game found to tell us that the strange men was there during the blackwater massacre, so he may have been killed during the mess, and, as nikpar said, now he haunts those who killed him
"The water is black with venom" is not a reference to Blackwater heist, it's a reference to the Cholera in Armadillo, which is spread by contaminated water, Herbert Moon, the shopkeeper, was told of it by the Strange Man, so he decided to have his daughter leave Armadillo and then you can read the rest in the letter he has.
The whole game just has an ominous sense throughout, wherever you are. You can never really sit back and relax, even just riding through the woods you can always get ambushed at anytime. Always keeps you on your toes! I’ve never played another game that feels that real and creepy as RDR2 does. I think it’s the combo of me actually feeling bad for killing some people in the game and the actual consequences of everything you do. No bad act goes unpunished in this game.
Sadly most of these mysteries feel more like disjointed easter eggs rather than hidden secrets that deepen the lore. They're akin to "If you go to place x at time y, shoot gun z 5 times a special lightning will strike" which is cool, but doesn't add much to the world/lore. Still better than nothing.
My theory on The Strange Man is... He's your conscious, he's there to make you realise your actions in the game have consequences (...much the same as in reality). He's the constant reminder that you should behave appropriately given the situation. That's just my whacky theory anyway... One thing's for sure R* really are masters at their art. No other company makes games with so many layers of depth. Many years ago I worked in the development of video games and I would have loved to have been a part of the making of rdr2. From what I've read about the stressful development of this game it's shocking the conditions and stress the team were put through to make this trully amazing game. They should all be very proud of the final product, in my opinion it's by far the best game that's been made to date.
I think now, that some years have passed, the mystery around Gavin is one of the best ones. Whether it was intentional or not, the player base interested in this mystery has become just like Nigel. Wondering who and where Gavin is, finding out every possible little thing from clues Rockstar might've left. And there seems to be no real explanation, because from the clues we got, multiple theories can be formed. And now, even years later, people talk about it and want to know about Gavin. I don't know, I just think it's kind of funny how poetic this feels lmao
The strange man is the angel of death. The first time Dutch and Hosea got locked up I believe the strange man visited them and offered them some sort of deal, they later went on to rob 37 banks along side the gang and a have a successful life of crime until the events the black water massacre occurred. Strange man probably came to collect causing Dutch to go into panic mode and kill heidi, the beginning of the gangs downfall. Dutch sells his “son” Arthur to save the soul of the gang and when he realizes that Arthur is more than that to him he can’t stand to lose him, he flees to Montana then to black water until michah a vassal of the strange man infiltrated the gang to take Arthur’s soul to hell. The strange man torments Dutch in his mind driving him insane. In the high honor ending Arthur dies naturally in the low honor ending Micah kills him sending him to hell. When Arthur escapes the vassal of the strange man the curse passes on to John as the next “son of Dutch”. When Dutch shoots Micah it’s to spare John and he can’t even stand to look John in the eyes out of guilt. The strange man knowing Johns fate tests his honor in 1911 to determine if he is worthy to pay the price. After Dutch dies and goes to hell the curse broken and John meets his end and goes to heaven, leaving behind jack free of curses.
@@dingane0039 He can, he can also take your soul and help you cross to the other side. He’s actually a nice and gentle being, he comforts people and gives reassurance when their crossing over. But your right about the demon part, I think rockstar made it into their own little thing. When you visit his cabin in the woods you can find a alligator in a cage missing his claws, that’s voodoo. The strange man made a video on how rockstar added voodoo and occult symbols all over the game
the first one was just that though, its a sky burial. it looks like a chief's sky burial. the four directions cross was near so more can be done there. as its a burial i think thats why if you try set it on fire, it rains cause its supposed to put it out. also cant clean your gun cause no weapons except the chief's weapons are only allowed.
23:45 The Strange Man is an analog for god. He knows, accounts for choices, judges actions, and warns of consequences. John attempts to shoot him three times, denoting a "Doubt" each time and the conversation between John and the Strange Man happen where the Marston's will be buried later. Only Jack will survive. However, you bring up some other things in the entry that should be covered. I hope you do a follow up on the other aspects you left out of the entry. (Regarding Armadillo and Herbert Moon) He cannot be Cain as his presence is supposed to wither any plant life wherever he walks. Cain also went on to found a city after his banishment. Finally, Jack writes the novel of Red Dead. One other way to consider both games is that they are actually the book we are playing through. As such, The Strange Man might very well be an older Jack who wrote himself in. Granted that has a weak premise but is also very, very Meta.
I thought the Strange man as Cain was cool but today i was playing and im in the camp. A stray dog enters the camp. Little Jack is excited asking about the dog and guess what Dutch names him Caine because the dog is a wander that might have done bad things... insane.
I always thought the strange man was meant to be us, the player. Always a few feet behind them, sees everything… The paintings are just a metaphor for the creation that is our save file
Doing another play through now checking out all the Easter eggs. Just found the vampire for the first time. I missed so much on my first two play throughs
I’m actually curious if the Strange man might be Gavin? But not sure if he would be classified in having a Londoner accent? Trelanwy might have a Londoner accent more so! The thought of the strange man being killed by the gang is absolutely mind blowing 🤯. That would answer a lot on him! Awesome video guys! 👍🏻
i feel like the train could be an omen at how the gang's first major robbery (at least the first oone WE see in the game) and the gang's last robbery was a train heist
i remember my friend advising me to play rdr2, i remember going back to him some months later saying it was probably the best game i had ever played, i hope and pray for rdr3
The meteorites could have been cut content, the 3rd one originally being intended for Mexico which was obviously scrapped due to time constraints. Just speculation on my part.
The biggest mystery I can't find the solution to is this weird, ghostly humming when I'm roaming around the world at night. I can't find any reference to it
Congratulations on 3K subs my dude! That's a really big accomplishment honestly, and I'm super glad to be a part of the Red Dead Community. Even if we haven't collab'd or anything, and even though the Red Dead Community can be divided at times, I genuinely love being a part of it. Most of the interactions are amazing and wholesome. I love them. Keep up the great work man!
Thanks man! This vid was already in the works when we were talking to unfortunately it was too late. If I do a part 2 to this vid I’m definitely telling you 🤙🏼
@Waxyyy Hey man, I'm honestly not upset in the slightest! It was a great video! I'd love to do a collab at some point, but it doesn't have to be right when I want to 😂, we all have our own busy lives. Keep up the awesome work my dude! Cheers to 3K!
Nope. Her picture can be seen in the saloon in St.Denis, where u first meet Chaturney. Shows she was normal. She went crazy when she was possessed by the Darkness and pulled her hair out and cut her own face.
I love the strange man is Cain theory, but It’s false. If you count the amount of people at John’s death there’s roughly 15-17 people there. Each of them shot more than Atleast 2-7 bullets. 15x2=30 meaning he didn’t get shot 21 times
The “strange man” did say “I go by many names” and that could be in reference to people using “the devil”, “Lucifer”, “death”, and “satan” interchangeably. He also accurately predicts where John is going to die and those 3 bullets John shot at him represented the deaths of John, uncle, and Abigail and the 4th bullet that misfired was signifying jack being spared.
I think that the pagan burial ground shown in the second section may be a reference to the 2015 western ‘bone tomahawk’. There is a similar mural in that movie, the troglodytic pagans made similar noises and the most compelling evidence is that the item found at the sight is a stone hatchet that bears striking resemblance to the bone tomahawk used in the aforementioned film.
the thing is that 3rd meteorite could actually be in the game it’s just so well hidden that no one has ever found it yet i mean it is possible there are still tons of things in the game that are still undiscovered and we have no knowledge of
@@Waxyyy However, there are shadow files, which are used to house secrets. For example, I can't remember the specifics, but there is a file in GTA V that disguises itself as a material for a horse. There are no horses in GTA V, so this is an example of a shadow file. Misnamed files to throw off file-scanners, and it would take months of dedication to go through all the code, files, and directories of Red Dead II and check. You'd have more luck finding it in game if anything
@@Waxyyy maybe there is a secret location in the grizzlies where there is a hidden pathway over one of the mountains near the glacier in ambarino that no one has found
Gavin is an inside joke from the Rockstar employees because a rockstar developer called Gavin rarely showed up. Also a good mystery is the witches cauldron.
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@@monkey5225Skinner? Like the Skinner brothers? Lol
I'm sure there's no connection but I think that's a little funny. I bet he's regretting his decision, pressing X to doubt this masterpiece. That's crazy. Thanks for sharing though, man. Take care.
@@monkey5225even if it’s wrong, i think it’s really funny and will believe it’s real just for the fun of it 😭
The biggest unsolved mystery is why some people play bald Arthur
😂😂
On my 7th play through I tried to make him look like hiesenburg😂
@@Hughesless4086 heisenmorgan
Cuz they want to play as wannabee Kratos 🗿👍
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Just recently replayed RDR2 and just now noticed the shirt Abigail gives John during the epilogue is the one he wears when he dies in RDR1, not a mystery but still amazed how much detail this game had put into it. One of the best.
That's interesting, something I'd not notice though as I've not played rdr1.
Damn well love rdr2 though, it's the best game I've played so far, and I've played all the other best ones - but, there's something just so special about the depth and story of RDR2 - no other game is as immersive or detailed, R* really smashed it when they made this masterpiece of digital art.
Shame that John in RDR2 looks like a completely different person than he does in RDR1.
@@AlqhemyAnew graphics are probably partly to blame for that tbh
@@AlqhemyA And is a completely different character. He was retconned into a simple minded fool, the opposite of how he was portrayed in RDR 1. That and all the other reconns, character changes, plot holes and flaws are really annoying.
he was showed as being simple minded but a good guy in red dead 1 alot lf his ideals are normal like speaking to marshal he says i would rather teach jack right from wrong other times he disapproves of characters it just shows he's wise not smart
The animal skins on scaffolding does have a reason. Some Native American culture practiced a tradition called “Sky Burials” which the body is not buried under the Earth but raised to the sky for various cultural reasons. Among Lakota and Sioux cultures the bodies of the dead were feared as disease carriers and by raising them above the ground to distance themselves. Notably sky burials were also reserved for warriors and thus was highly respected. Given the addition stone axe, the remains of hunted animals and the medicine wheel formed by the rocks, the reason why tossing a fire bottle at the site lowers your honor and changes the weather is you are desecrating a sacred burial site for fallen warriors. The lightning strike might be evidence of a spirit, possibly Wakan Tanka or the Thunderbird trying to warn you or smite you.
It may also be a hint at the fate of two named native characters in the game. Sky Burials attract predatory birds and vultures as the means of disposal of the body (by scattering the remains after they are consumed.). In Lakota culture rain symbolizes renewal after destruction of the land. This hints of the fate of the characters of Eagle Flies, a warrior who dies in battle and Rain Falls, who lives on and eventually finds a new land to make a new life. (The Wapiti are a fictional tribe based on the Lakota and every Native American character in game speaks Lakota.). The Lakota are the only tribe of Native Americans that forced the U.S. to sign a peace treaty with them, and we’re famously the tribe opposing US forces at the battle of Little Bighorn aka Custar’s Last Stand.
Edit: Sky Burial is not exclusive to Native American cultures and was practiced in Aboriginal Australian cultures, certain Buddhist regional variants as an alternative funeral right when the preferred ceremonial cremation was not practical (often due to lack of sufficient kindling for such fires). While most commonly associated Tibetan Buddhism, but was also observed in regions in China and Mongolia (in these cases the corpse’s disposal by carrion birds was explicitly part of the reason the use was favored and the endangered nature of such birds is one of the main reasons the practice is largely abandoned in the modern world.) and in certain cultures by in the Caucasus Mountains. In all societies that once practiced sky burial it is now rarely if ever done as it is was usually a less efficient use of land (burial uses the same amount of space and hides the visual and ofactorial unpleasantness of the process and is less efficient overall when compared to cremation.
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Bro is more cultured than half of the USA
Bro made a whole ass book in TH-cam comments
Dam that was an interesting read tho, props 🙏
bullshit, quit reading wasicun books about natives
Man… for as fun as RDR2 is, this game is also really eerie and creepy when you take a deep dive into its secrets and lore.
Uhh no shit…
@@Hugo_Tateyes piss
That makes it so much better.
@@Hugo_Tate😭
its part of the fun.
Delicious stuff
For real 👨🍳
Indoubitably!
Quite scrumptious
Fully nomable
Fizhy! ❤
Thanks Waxy for inviting me to be apart of this video! It came out great everyone did a amazing job 👍
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@@dejuren1367 No
mom i made it, i'm in a waxy video
sorry u had that DukeMeiser19 editing
hahha 😆
Yes
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I played sea of thieves with you, respect
The Cain theory is very interesting . Him not “remembering” his name, maybe because he’s ashamed of the actions that caused him to walk the earth…
At the bottom of a tombstone at the native american burial site, at night, I think maybe either 12 or 3 AM, you can see faint blue glowing text if you zoom in with a scope. I know it sounds like a joke, but when the game came out, I experimented with this area for hours. This is one thing I found I’ve never seen mentioned.
In this save I had also burnt the site, and brought people to the site to sacrifice. I sacrificed many many animals and humans, and they rotted faster than anything else I’ve ever seen rot in the game. Again, spooky, but this is from my own experience.
@@DocumentGaming He's lying
@@DocumentGamingIt's common knowledge of you're on the subreddit Read Dead Mysteries
@@DocumentGamingyou know…
not everyone has time or storage to save every clip, if he was spending that much time on it
@@DocumentGaming i do have clips but i dont make videos, plus, you try sorting through like 500 1-5 min long clips to find one screen. Or i could look through my 500+ screenshots but again, its a pain, and i dont make videos. If i remember tomorrow maybe i will post it on the subreddit.
@@ulmxnsend a link If u decide to do that
I love when big and small creators in a community collaborates so much the content is always a banger
The strange man theory that he's a past victim is interesting, I just see a few problems with its. John shoots him 3 times and the gun jams on the 4th indicating the death of John, Uncle and Abigail and the last one being Jack why it jams because he's the only one who survives. Meaning the strange man has an idea of past and future deaths. Also John says "Damn you" and he says "Many have" a past victim wouldn't say something like this and he calls himself an accountant "of sorts" which has deeper meaning than just being a plain old accountant
It really is amazing how if you just play the main story, you see a gritty realistic western, but if you do a little exploring or do certain sidequests, there's a LOT of supernatural horror just under the surface.
But isn’t that awesome. Rockstar literally puts us there in the mindset. The ppl back then prolly thought so many things were supernatural because they hadn’t the science or knowledge. And we sit and play the game feeling the same. Fully immersed.
I preordered rdr2 and played it the literal second it came out. Rdr1 was my childhood and I’m STILL finding stuff out about both games years and years later. Just goes to show how amazingly well built rockstars games are.
How has the algorithm only just now shown me your channel?? Amazing content, everyone featured in the video did a fantastic job.
Thank you!!! More to come of course
Same, good finding though eh?!
I've subbed immediately
Yes I'm ashamed to admit I'm late to the party but I'll do my best and recommend you guys to everyone I know who plays the game 🎉🎉
Everybody should do collaborations like this with alike channels, this may be the beginning of a great reunion we don’t even know it’s coming
On the Mysterious Man and the Cain theory, I’m surprised that it wasn’t mentioned that Cain is brought up in RDR2. You can overhear Dutch having a conversation with Jack and telling him the story of Cain and how he was condemned to wander after doing a ‘bad thing’. So the devs are certainly familiar with the tale, enough to have dialogue pertaining to it in the game itself.
Also, it may have been simple rng but I overheard this convo right before I went fishing with Javier and Arthur asks if Javier thinks Dutch is doing things differently now and references what happened ‘to that girl on the ferry’. Which could be a reference to the same girl the man mentions to John. It may be a longshot theory but I wouldn’t necessarily count that one out.
Yes, the “girl in the ferry” could be a reference to the “girl on the ferry”. Genius. It’s not a question, detective.
cleaning guns on that particular area was an unknown mystery for me
I went to catholic school growing up and am very aware of the story and lore surrounding Cain and Abel and never made the connection until Lagging Leleand blew the case wide open. Nice work.
Thank you ;)
I don't think it can be Cain. He was also cursed that any plant life would die in his vicinity. Plus, Cain goes on to found a city after finding other humans that seemingly existed but weren't discussed. He even married.
Marston tries to shoot him 3 times, denoting Paul "doubting" 3 times. Where that final interaction happens, with the shots fired, also happens to be where John and Abigail will be buried; under the tree overlooking their ranch.
peter denied three times, but i agree with everythjng else
@@LaggingLelandold comment but dude your theory is genius I don’t even know how you came up with this. The fact that he shoots him 3 times and is in return shor 21 times had sealed the deal for me, much love bro ❤
I am on my 6th straight play through of Arthur's part ( I am disabled so I am home 24/7 so I play a lot). There are so many details that it can be like playing a new game almost everytime. That is why I love these kinds of videos so much.
Thank you 🙏
I personally think that the creature sounds you hear after desecrating any of the several sacred Indian grounds in the game imply the existence of the Native American mythological creature, the Wendigo.
"in the game imply the existence of the Native American mythological creature, the Wendigo."
4 things..
1.) Native Americans are not one people but many different groups, cultures and world views. You can't just mix and match what you please.
2.) The Wendigo is specific to the Algonquian tribes and doesn't exist in the oral traditions of any of the other tribes.
3.) The Wapiti Indians are conglomeration of the Lakota tribe and other tribes from the Great Planes and Rocky Mountains of which the Algonquian are not a part of and thus the Wapiti would not have any traditions of wendigo.
4.) Rock* are not idiots and would know this, a basic google search of "wendigo" reveals as much. You don't need to be an anthropologist to figure it out.
@@Princess_Celestia_ Thanks for educating me! I'm very ignorant about history lol especially American history, I'm personally from Indonesia and my country's so uninvolved from the rest of the world's history that I pretty much just know what they taught us in middle school and high school, which largely revolves around WW2 and our independence.
@@Princess_Celestia_Well, to people who don't know that, which is most people, Wendigo is a Native legend.
@@Princess_Celestia_ Well its a vidya game and they can mix match any traditions they want.
I’ve been playing this game for 3 years and I’m STILL learning things about it. Amazing honestly.
Same here! I do a play through perhaps once a year since it came out. This time around, I discovered a double rainbow, and archeologist that pays you for dinosaur bones you find, and a gold miner in a river that you can rob for a gold nugget.
@@WaldoBagelTopperfound out you can fast travel just recently
@@WaldoBagelTopperthere’s also a little shed way up north in the Ambarino roughly between and above the “N” and “O” of Ambarino, where a platinum watch, gold nugget, and platinum earrings/ band spawn, as soon as you pick them up you can set up your camp while you’re still in the shed, after this every time you ride back to the shed after setting up camp the loot will respawn, you could easily get 99 golden nuggets if you’re willing to repeat the process 99 times.
i have a theory that the ghost train is what alerted the law to the gang during pouring forth oil. we never found out how the law knew about the robbery. and the robbery happens right where the ghost train spawns. even the scene with the law finding arthur is eerie. the music that plays. it always felt like an odd scene. my theory is that there was a posse of law out one night and they saw the ghost train and followed it. and it led them right to arthur and friends. it's similar to how the ghost dog in gta 5 tells franklin about dom being in trouble twice. i know the theory is unlikely. but in a game with ufos and time travelers. it doesn't seem impossible.
The law was tipped off beforehand, a news paper article states as much. It was most likely Micha.
@@Princess_Celestia_ micah didn't rat until after guarma. and honestly if the ghost train is what led them to the robbery. would they really put that in the newspaper? who would believe that a ghost led them to a robbery. nobody would buy a newspaper from that company again. it would sound so unbelievable. and nobody would believe it. so it's better to just say they were tipped off by someone.
Ghost Trains have been part of history as long as there have been trains.
I think the ghost train is maybe just a personal thing to Arthur, perhaps it's supposed to be a memory of some sort which he's reflecting on , after all that mission is the first one where there is suspicion of a snitch
there was a meteorite trinket but it was scrapped, and to stop people from getting it they simply made the recipe need 3, when theres only 2 in the game
There are a ton of trinkets that were planned but scrapped. The game is basically half-finished and half-assed. Hence also why so many "mysteries" are unsolved: They simply weren't finished.
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nwJust because a game has cut side content doesn’t mean it’s unfinished, dummy.
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nwwouldn't really say RD2 is half assed
@@mattj1829 In terms of half finished content, it is. Take a deep dive into all the myseries and all the started stuff and what even divers into the files couldn't uncover. There's so much missing.
And the writing really is sub-par after chapter 3. You can tell that Strauss Zelnick put his greedy jew foot down and demanded a premature release
If you compare the released game to the original vision and all the cut content, then it is literally HALF assed. 50% of the game they were planning on making had to get cut because of time constraints. Instead of taking 2 extra years to create the greatest piece of art in history, they cut it mid-development and released it in an unfinished state. It's sad.@@mattj1829
11:11 you can find notes talking about how the serial killer is prescribed to laudanum. He could have used that as a way to sedate his victims before ambushing them by drugging their water.
Hey 👋
Nah, you would be able to taste it and the team would be like, what the turd? Also, it would take many bottles to sedate the team so that they would be weak as funk.
@@lobotomyscam1051 bro, I appreciate your attention to detail. However I just have to iterate something. Laudanum in 1880 was a vague "medicine" with a very inconsistent recipe.
Normally laudanum was comprised of morphine/cocaine/opium/peyote etc, if it's illegal today? It was used in that stuff back then.
So yeah, I get it, they may have "tasted" some weird taste.
But when you just swallowed a mouthful of elephant tranquilizer, it doesn't really matter how big and healthy you are.
This game is 5 years old and people are STILL discovering new stuff in it. I always feel like one day, some gamer somewhere is going to discover a secret buried so ridiculously deep, that it's going to reignite RDR2 online community again. I wonder if Rockstar has any way of knowing if there is any element of this game that hasn't been discovered yet.
I can't wait to see what RDR3 is going to be someday. But people are still playing part 2 so much that 3 isn't going to come out for like a 100 years probably.
23:31 thinking about it, I remember that when you read Arthur's journal for the first time and goes back for the notes before the ferry massacre, Arthur mentions of him seeing "a man that looked like trelawny", now, the fact that he randomly mentioned it might be the way the game found to tell us that the strange men was there during the blackwater massacre, so he may have been killed during the mess, and, as nikpar said, now he haunts those who killed him
Thats metal asf
"The water is black with venom" is not a reference to Blackwater heist, it's a reference to the Cholera in Armadillo, which is spread by contaminated water, Herbert Moon, the shopkeeper, was told of it by the Strange Man, so he decided to have his daughter leave Armadillo and then you can read the rest in the letter he has.
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@@Waxyyy how dare you "🤓" me
@@eqqx1108 sorry
Great video! It was definitely worth the wait.
u don’t have to lie
@@Waxyyy Ok good… I don’t think I would’ve been able to live with that lie 😮💨
The whole game just has an ominous sense throughout, wherever you are. You can never really sit back and relax, even just riding through the woods you can always get ambushed at anytime. Always keeps you on your toes! I’ve never played another game that feels that real and creepy as RDR2 does. I think it’s the combo of me actually feeling bad for killing some people in the game and the actual consequences of everything you do. No bad act goes unpunished in this game.
Days Gone is the next game you’re looking for then, trust me.
@@okanruso6548 will I need to sleep with my light on after playing? Is it real sceery?
@@STSGuitar16 nah I do not think it is. If you really like the aspect of RDR2 that you mentioned above, than you'll fall in love with this game.
@@okanruso6548 thanks for the rec, boss man. I’ll check it out
What consequences ?
Thanks for inviting me to this Waxy
Any time Filbee 🤙🏼
Thank you Waxy and to all who made it on this project you are all amazing🎉
No u 😍
2:23 that winding clock noise is heard around places you find secret items. so if you hear it, that means look around...
Sadly most of these mysteries feel more like disjointed easter eggs rather than hidden secrets that deepen the lore. They're akin to "If you go to place x at time y, shoot gun z 5 times a special lightning will strike" which is cool, but doesn't add much to the world/lore.
Still better than nothing.
My theory on The Strange Man is...
He's your conscious, he's there to make you realise your actions in the game have consequences (...much the same as in reality).
He's the constant reminder that you should behave appropriately given the situation.
That's just my whacky theory anyway...
One thing's for sure R* really are masters at their art.
No other company makes games with so many layers of depth.
Many years ago I worked in the development of video games and I would have loved to have been a part of the making of rdr2.
From what I've read about the stressful development of this game it's shocking the conditions and stress the team were put through to make this trully amazing game.
They should all be very proud of the final product, in my opinion it's by far the best game that's been made to date.
There are no “consequences” in this game. Stop saying that, like you have choices.
@@tempsitch5632 lighten up, smile 😁😊😁
I think now, that some years have passed, the mystery around Gavin is one of the best ones. Whether it was intentional or not, the player base interested in this mystery has become just like Nigel. Wondering who and where Gavin is, finding out every possible little thing from clues Rockstar might've left. And there seems to be no real explanation, because from the clues we got, multiple theories can be formed. And now, even years later, people talk about it and want to know about Gavin.
I don't know, I just think it's kind of funny how poetic this feels lmao
Honistly fantastic video im glad people like you and duke are keeping rdr2 alive ❤
Hearing that creature just makes the fact that RDR2 doesn't have a horror DLC like Undead Nightmare sadder
The ghost train is likely the the train you find at the bottom of a ravine up north of Valentine, which also just happens to be three carts.
There's also two large gold bars in the train car that sitting up on end.
I feel like the forests in RDR2 would have a TOTALLY different vibe if you were constantly hearing low, guttural growls.
This is the first video of yours I’ve seen! Amazing content!
Thank you fizhy!
The greatest collaboration since Mario & Sonic at The 2012 London Olympic Games.
nah we can take them on, Duke speedy Gonzalez so he would overtake sonic
I saw someone make the observation that where John shot 3 times all 3 graves went there and the 4th bullet jammed meaning jack was saved
the 4th shot didnt jam he just only fired 3 shots
@@dumbusername3305 well maybe not but the 3 graves were still represented
@@LukeFiore true
Such an awesome collaboration, respect to all of you!
Bro I'm alone at night, and you hit me with those scary sounds 💀
How is it possible, that such a great channel has so few subscribers?
The fact you colab with other users on your videos is admirable my dude. Kudos, not many would do this
The strange man is the angel of death. The first time Dutch and Hosea got locked up I believe the strange man visited them and offered them some sort of deal, they later went on to rob 37 banks along side the gang and a have a successful life of crime until the events the black water massacre occurred. Strange man probably came to collect causing Dutch to go into panic mode and kill heidi, the beginning of the gangs downfall. Dutch sells his “son” Arthur to save the soul of the gang and when he realizes that Arthur is more than that to him he can’t stand to lose him, he flees to Montana then to black water until michah a vassal of the strange man infiltrated the gang to take Arthur’s soul to hell. The strange man torments Dutch in his mind driving him insane. In the high honor ending Arthur dies naturally in the low honor ending Micah kills him sending him to hell. When Arthur escapes the vassal of the strange man the curse passes on to John as the next “son of Dutch”. When Dutch shoots Micah it’s to spare John and he can’t even stand to look John in the eyes out of guilt. The strange man knowing Johns fate tests his honor in 1911 to determine if he is worthy to pay the price. After Dutch dies and goes to hell the curse broken and John meets his end and goes to heaven, leaving behind jack free of curses.
The angel of death doesn't make deals tho, it's probably a Demon of somesort working for the Devil
@@dingane0039 He can, he can also take your soul and help you cross to the other side. He’s actually a nice and gentle being, he comforts people and gives reassurance when their crossing over. But your right about the demon part, I think rockstar made it into their own little thing. When you visit his cabin in the woods you can find a alligator in a cage missing his claws, that’s voodoo. The strange man made a video on how rockstar added voodoo and occult symbols all over the game
interesting story but Im like 99% sure that the strange man isnt that involved with the rdr story
I highly doubt it's canon, but it makes for GREAT head canon.
3:26
Man who let the Dodge Challenger into the burial ground 💀
Hey Waxxy! Thank you for inviting me to be apart of this fantastic video!
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10/10 video, this channel deserves more support
Found this vid while I was gettin ready for work. This made my day, so thank you all
No thank you 🙏
Oh perfect. Listening, at night, with my headphones on. . . .alone. i feel VERY personally attacked
What a great video, enjoyed this one and what a lovely bunch if youtubers to get to know too 😀👏
Already know it’s gonna be good. Can’t wait.
Stumbled across this at 2am, nice collab! Keep it up 🔥
i can tell you are very passionate for what you do, Great vid man.
Thank you man 🤙🏼
Gotta admit that your vids are up there with Fizhy in terms of enjoyability and the script writing. You earned a subscriber
MOM GET THE CAMERA ITS ME
Who?
Wow, that was fire. Great job, sorry I didn't make it to the last steam. I'll try to make it next time
the first one was just that though, its a sky burial.
it looks like a chief's sky burial.
the four directions cross was near so more can be done there.
as its a burial i think thats why if you try set it on fire, it rains cause its supposed to put it out.
also cant clean your gun cause no weapons except the chief's weapons are only allowed.
When fizhy popped up and said we’ve all been pronouncing his name wrong I cried laughing cuz I damn sure have
bro I thought that shit was fizhy not fishy 🤦♂️
@@Waxyyy I always said fizzy 😂
The Cain theory while a stretch actually feels really plausible
Some of my favorite RDR TH-camrs in one video! Very nice.
Appreciate it rdb 🤙🏼
The mutant is definitely a nod to South Park. I'm pretty sure that's why South Park featured RDR2 in the show.
23:45
The Strange Man is an analog for god. He knows, accounts for choices, judges actions, and warns of consequences.
John attempts to shoot him three times, denoting a "Doubt" each time and the conversation between John and the Strange Man happen where the Marston's will be buried later. Only Jack will survive.
However, you bring up some other things in the entry that should be covered. I hope you do a follow up on the other aspects you left out of the entry. (Regarding Armadillo and Herbert Moon)
He cannot be Cain as his presence is supposed to wither any plant life wherever he walks. Cain also went on to found a city after his banishment.
Finally, Jack writes the novel of Red Dead. One other way to consider both games is that they are actually the book we are playing through. As such, The Strange Man might very well be an older Jack who wrote himself in. Granted that has a weak premise but is also very, very Meta.
I thought the Strange man as Cain was cool but today i was playing and im in the camp. A stray dog enters the camp. Little Jack is excited asking about the dog and guess what Dutch names him Caine because the dog is a wander that might have done bad things... insane.
I always thought the strange man was meant to be us, the player. Always a few feet behind them, sees everything…
The paintings are just a metaphor for the creation that is our save file
A wendigo or skinwalker legendary hunt would’ve been cool as an Easter egg
The black water athletics team killings are eerily similar to the infinity killer from the GTA series
Can't believe you got Markiplier to contribute!
Bro shit was getting genuinely creepy, and then the echoed Cow Moo popped up and I started laughling my ass off lmaoooo 😂
Doing another play through now checking out all the Easter eggs. Just found the vampire for the first time. I missed so much on my first two play throughs
"sets a native burial site on fire" for some reason you lose honor for that lmaoooo
On the metoerite thing, there is an use button also in the menu that u can't push, which is unique to that item
Hmmm.. that is odd. Perhaps its there bc originally 2 meteorites was the key to getting the trinket? that's a doozy.
curious if you could “use” it in a certain location
@@ZtinkyBonesSince it's left in the game thete is still a chance that it has a use, I wonder what is connected to meteors though
No, it isn’t.
@@tempsitch5632 it is for me
I’m actually curious if the Strange man might be Gavin?
But not sure if he would be classified in having a Londoner accent?
Trelanwy might have a Londoner accent more so!
The thought of the strange man being killed by the gang is absolutely mind blowing 🤯. That would answer a lot on him!
Awesome video guys! 👍🏻
i feel like the train could be an omen at how the gang's first major robbery (at least the first oone WE see in the game) and the gang's last robbery was a train heist
i remember my friend advising me to play rdr2, i remember going back to him some months later saying it was probably the best game i had ever played, i hope and pray for rdr3
The meteorites could have been cut content, the 3rd one originally being intended for Mexico which was obviously scrapped due to time constraints. Just speculation on my part.
2024 confirmed scrapped
Damn waxy brought the avengers together btw I’m still searching for the 3rd meteor
I know it’s probably not in the game lol
The biggest mystery I can't find the solution to is this weird, ghostly humming when I'm roaming around the world at night. I can't find any reference to it
First time?
What a video, I had a great time watching
Super awesome video all around! Only critique from me is that Flex's segment felt like a high school book report lol.
Congratulations on 3K subs my dude! That's a really big accomplishment honestly, and I'm super glad to be a part of the Red Dead Community. Even if we haven't collab'd or anything, and even though the Red Dead Community can be divided at times, I genuinely love being a part of it. Most of the interactions are amazing and wholesome. I love them. Keep up the great work man!
Thanks man! This vid was already in the works when we were talking to unfortunately it was too late. If I do a part 2 to this vid I’m definitely telling you 🤙🏼
@Waxyyy Hey man, I'm honestly not upset in the slightest! It was a great video! I'd love to do a collab at some point, but it doesn't have to be right when I want to 😂, we all have our own busy lives. Keep up the awesome work my dude! Cheers to 3K!
I’m replaying this atm, last time I touched it was release back in 2018. Such an amazing journey filled to the brim with secrets and content!
Worth the wait
I love this community, great collab, keep up the good work 👌
The "Skinwalker" noise you talked about is an elk bro 😭
Not that sound, there's a low growl in the background, you need to listen closely
Great colaboration video man.
Subscribed to all that participated.
Looking forward to your future upload.
Thank you!
My theory is Gertrude was born with a cleft lip and being captured in a box drove her crazy
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a box. A wooden box. A wooden box with Micahs. The Micahs make me crazy.
Nope.
Her picture can be seen in the saloon in St.Denis, where u first meet Chaturney. Shows she was normal.
She went crazy when she was possessed by the Darkness and pulled her hair out and cut her own face.
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The Darkness? Top Cow wants to know your location!
@@LordofSyn top cow? I have no idea what ur saying
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Look up those two words and The Darkness.
blessed are the peacemakers is also an rdr2 mission where arthur gets kidnapped by the o'driscolls
I love the strange man is Cain theory, but It’s false. If you count the amount of people at John’s death there’s roughly 15-17 people there. Each of them shot more than Atleast 2-7 bullets. 15x2=30 meaning he didn’t get shot 21 times
Great compilation of great vid makers/content, interesting stuff, real good, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
@@Waxyyy Yeah, cheers, you got a new sub
18:25 little man has more voice cracks than Dutch 😭😭
The “strange man” did say “I go by many names” and that could be in reference to people using “the devil”, “Lucifer”, “death”, and “satan” interchangeably. He also accurately predicts where John is going to die and those 3 bullets John shot at him represented the deaths of John, uncle, and Abigail and the 4th bullet that misfired was signifying jack being spared.
I think that the pagan burial ground shown in the second section may be a reference to the 2015 western ‘bone tomahawk’. There is a similar mural in that movie, the troglodytic pagans made similar noises and the most compelling evidence is that the item found at the sight is a stone hatchet that bears striking resemblance to the bone tomahawk used in the aforementioned film.
Where do you think the ideas for that movie came from ? Duuuhhhhhh
The strange man has to be Cain, it all adds up to it
the thing is that 3rd meteorite could actually be in the game it’s just so well hidden that no one has ever found it yet i mean it is possible there are still tons of things in the game that are still undiscovered and we have no knowledge of
yeah but people have looked through the game Files to find nothing
@@Waxyyy oh shame
@@Waxyyy However, there are shadow files, which are used to house secrets. For example, I can't remember the specifics, but there is a file in GTA V that disguises itself as a material for a horse. There are no horses in GTA V, so this is an example of a shadow file. Misnamed files to throw off file-scanners, and it would take months of dedication to go through all the code, files, and directories of Red Dead II and check. You'd have more luck finding it in game if anything
@@Waxyyy Yeah, but Rockstar confirmed there is a 3rd meteorite. So either they lied or no one has been smart enough to find it.
@@Waxyyy maybe there is a secret location in the grizzlies where there is a hidden pathway over one of the mountains near the glacier in ambarino that no one has found
Completely underrated video. Good job mate. You earned a subscriber