Can Singapore Reconcile Sexuality, Family & Faith? | Regardless Of Sexuality | LGBTs In Singapore
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 เม.ย. 2023
- For the first time on national TV, LGBT individuals, their parents, and religious leaders get personal for a frank discussion on the rift that divides them. Join Janil Puthucheary, chairman of OnePeople.sg as he gets them to open up on how LGBT issues have deeply affected their lives and lives of people they care for. Through these candid conversations, Janil hopes to answer: what does it take for LGBT individuals to reconcile their sexuality with family, faith and community - in a society that is just beginning to find its footing in accommodating them?
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I’m a mother and had a hard time watching parents making their child’s sexuality about themselves. I’m sure majority of the parents had the same wishes for their unborn child: to be happy, healthy and safe. And it’s so disappointing to see that they have forgotten the simple wishes they once had when their child was still in the womb.
leave others to parent their own children please. thank you.
@@wokeisnonsense discipline them for something they can’t choose? would you discipline your child for being born the same race as you? lol. want to make children, at least be prepared that all these outcomes are possible. this isn’t some build-the-perfect-child workshop.
@@polkadotstripez leave it to them. why teach others how to parent?
@@wokeisnonsense I believe she’s just expressing her views. She’s not teaching others. Have we Singaporeans become so unreasonable we don’t allow different voices now?
Well said janeyjane, please don’t let those haters get to you.
Firstly, I am sixty-four years old, a Catholic and I am straight!
This LGBT issue have been around for so long! Every time, the issue is brought up, .... the flood gates opened as well!
From my perspective, homosexuality have been around since Biblical times! In nature, some species of fishes change their sex whenever, it's required of them!
I am not asking or encouraging humans to do the same! Just be more open minded!!
Don't judge a person by their looks or inclinations but by their inner self (their hearts)! Let GOD do the judging!
LGBT are people too, with feelings for Love etc..! I have no issues with them holding hands, embracing or kissing in public only don't grope and kiss like you are doing porn! That's goes for straights as well!
As for the topic on sex, for me personally that their life not ours! I am neither objecting or condoning it!
Personally, I find LGBT a colourful lot! They are not only humorous, some are very talented in the arts (acting, singing especially)! They bring a different perspective on life etc. which I find very refreshing! They are also more patient, kind and big hearted on account on what they have to go through in their life (growing up)! Very empathetic people!
The bottom line here is - be more accepting of them, let them have a life too, don't ignore or pretend that they don't exists and that this issue will just go away on its own! It never has or ever will! How you treat your own people, Family shows the True person , you are! LGBT, Straights ....we are all Made By God! Have a Great Life & Day💕🧑🏻🦳
Abraham was compassionate. He even pleaded exhaustively to God to spare sodom and Gomorrah. Lot and family are also open minded, dwelling in that place. His wife loved the town gays, enough to turn back! But we all know how both sodom and gomorrah ended. are you saying we should stand there and just let these people face punishment and do nothing? Even Abraham pleaded for them.
Essentially, what you are saying is, just let the gays be. Just be ready to face God's wrath.
In the case of Sodom & Gomorrah, God told Lot to find some good people there (I think it was 10 and Lot kept pleading with God and decrease the number to 5) then GOD will spare the two Cities! But Lot couldn't meet God's requirements! IF, Lot was persistent and kept pleading maybe the cities would be spared! Who knows???
But the inhabitants of these two cities were wicked in the sense of being greedy, dishonest, corrupt & engaging in their own pleasures! No contributions to society, whatever! 🧑🏻🦳
Ma'am as Catholic myself: God create us, so we must live by his rule. Remember the Ten Commandments of God.
@@catfat3291 Yes! And remember the commandment Thou shall not kill! Period! No buts or Ifs! Yet ....we have capital punishment for those that murdered someone! Two wrongs doesn't make a right! We have wars , where we'd shoot each other as targets practice and the list goes on! That why, I said Don't judge leave that to GOD!
@@estherong5773 please read your bible again. It was Abraham who interceded for Sodom. Not Lot. He had sex with his daughters and gave birth to all those wicked nations.
As a mother, I will respect and accept what my child is. I rather care more about how my child lives well and happily. Society outside can be cruel, so I want to ensure I can be a warm home and safe space for my child. Life is too short to live selfishly and force everything to be your way.
Sure.even if it leads to their eventual demise just because it's convenient
Idk why comment is missing. There weren't any links.
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simple, move to US or go into the woods. cut off from society since its so "hard" for lgbtq. you get your warm and safe home, we get out peace and quiet. why you ask, cos the society comes before you, not the other way around.
@@ohgin12345 Convenient? LMAO it's people like you that should not be parents.
@@RonLarhz WHO??
The part of Fauzi and his dad was powerful, especially when the dad revealed that he had known ever since Fauzi was a child. It brought tears to my eyes
I had a gay friend during Army. He didn't tell the Military since he would be excluded from National Service and there's a stigma going around for NS defaulters. A group of us in the company went for a make-up route march in preparation of the final 24k route march. It was really boring, 20k or 16k around the 400m running tracks. During the march he shared when he discovered he was gay, how he found his first boyfriend and some nsfw topics that I won't share. We were all very happy and interested in his stories. After all, we had so much in common and have so much shared experience, a difference in sexuality seems so trivia.
As a Soka Buddhist, our religion encompasses everyone regardless of their sexuality. However, even within our religion, the opinions on LGBT vary depending on how we were brought up together with our experiences. We certainly have a long way to go in Singapore. I must say it’s easier for strangers to accept LGBT ideas because it’s not their family and they don’t have a stake in your sexuality but not family because the stakes are high.
Thanks so much for ur comment, its really reassuring to know that soka teachings are accepting of different sexuality. I'm a queer female in my 30s, Theravada Buddhist. my mother is a Soka member too and im not out to her nor anyone in my family. hope to come out to my family members one day.. ur comment gives me hope, thank you again ❤️🙏🏽
Soka Gakkai personality cult doesn't even have an LGBTQ division. GAY and Transgender members are forced to confirm to the 4 divisions. So please spare us that equality CRAP.
@@wokeisnonsense well, then I ask those community that supports LGBT, why if you do support the LGBT community, why you still continue with the male and female toilets, why don’t you have bisexual, transgender, gay and lesbian toilets?
@@ditsygirl5409 Ask Ikeda. He walked the walk and talked the talk and lived out the whole philosophy. He, of all the humans in this world, should have the answer. Heck, more than half the folks don't chant. How would they know?!
@@ditsygirl5409 Errr... because there are only 2 genders in the world? Even a transgender person transitions from a male to female and vice versa. Not male to unicorn.
Man… I wish all muftis are like him. Really brings a new dimension on how I view Islam
Singapore is lucky
@@askingalexandriaaa yeah
That true
I mean there are coutries that will not allow LGBTQ+ relationships at all
They're wayyyy ahead of Malaysia's JAKIM. I'm happy for Singaporean Muslims and Muslim LGBTQ folks.
@@mahalnamahalkita358 why are you gay?
@@mahalnamahalkita358 It is different. JAKIM is short sighted and simply wants to "let go" of LGBT community. MUIS on the other hand wants them to still be Muslims and strengthen their faith.
Thank you CNA for featuring Dear Straight People's work in this documentary!
Given existing media censorship laws, the LGBT community is not an easy topic to tackle on national TV but we believe this documentary is a step in the right direction 🏳🌈
Go ahead move on
@@jameskwa shut up james, go back to your hole.
@@FGoogleandyoutube Are you living in the woods? Time to face reality.
@@FGoogleandyoutube You are losing the fight la, please. LGBT will be normalised in SG and I can't wait to rub in your face.
@@FGoogleandyoutube Such vulgarity, your parents must be very proud of your potty mouth. That's reality for you.
This argument that LGBT should not be tolerated because it's against religion is nonsense. Taoists are not Hindus. Hindus are not Christians. Going by the Christian definition, Hindus and Taoists worship idols and are therefore "against" their religion. And despite that, we do not allow Christians to go around condemning Hindus/Taoists and insisting that their religions are "wrong".
You don't have to like LGBT people. But you do not have the right to tell others how they live their lives even if you disagree with them. As soon as we allow such behaviour, Singaporean society will crumble really quickly. Cultural and religious tolerance is the very foundation on which this country is based. If you cannot understand this, then you do not understand what it means to be Singaporean.
agree.
Singaporeans have not been accepting of this LGBT thing from its foundation. Remember the repeal just happened a short while ago! Surely you are not claiming that Singapore society has been crumbling since 1965! Please be factual and loose the hyperbole!
@@doodlingbunny5642it is very clear that there are many Singaporeans are in fact accepting, because 377a has never been enforced.
Many Singaporeans were once also unaccepting of religious conversions or interracial marriages in the 50s. And yet here we are now with the knowledge that those beliefs were backwards, why? Because they led to racial and religious tensions. Are you at all familiar with Singapore’s history? Why do you think the government mandates till this very day, that HDBs need to fulfil racial quotas?
You are of course fully entitled to being small minded, that’s one of the great things about a democracy.
Although I agree with your sentiment, I have a bit of a bone to pick. Christians do tend to have a moral superiority complex, and one of the commandments was to "go out and fill the earth" or something like that (i.e. converting people). So they do tend to condemn other religions (even similar Abrahamic religions). Source? Being sort of one of those Christians for 14 years.
Taoist and Hindus constitutes a significant population in Singapore. Furthermore, they have powerful allies backing their beliefs. Same reason why Christians and Muslims are not at each other's throat in Singapore even though their beliefs are in conflict and both are going to hell according to each other's books. In my opinion, if they really cared about 'saving' as many people as possible, they should be much more vocal about converting these larger demographics. That won't happen because it will lead to chaos. LGBT community on the other hand is small and scattered without much power or influence. It's a much easier target to pick on.
Some respondents are clearly just not exposed and aware from their confusing answers, which highlights the need for education
Yep, confusing and at times contradictory answers too.
Sigh and who knows how long will they take to come to an understanding.. at the expense of the LGBT community time.
Nah it just highlights the need for a certain grp to conduct themselves better instead of forming wrong impression via cancel culture n categorising anyone with a different opinion as homophobic or wtv
I think this is the purpose of this documentary... Not to campaign for the acceptance but to, at least to some extent, open the eyes of general public and say "hey, we have this new issue, this is what happening, we cover both sides for you"
Most of them are.
Just parroting what their religious leaders/environment say without trying to find out for themselves.
I can really feel the pain and suffering of repression from the LGBT interviewees and I'm thankful that CNA gave them a platform to express themselves considering this is quite a controversial topic, I also applaud the interview guy for being so emotionally intelligent and making them feel less judged, also kudos to (some of) their parents for seeing beyond their sexuality and loving them regardless because they are their own flesh and blood, most importantly what matters it's their own happiness and living as their true self ❤️ it's so refreshing to see.. But at the same time sad to see the negative and narrow views of many people, not the mention the self hate some LGBT people have with themselves :(
those pains were brought upon themselves, not the cause of society. the society they were borne into were before them. they either leave, die or hide. the same is also true for norm folks, no reasons why lgbtq should have any special treatment.
@@fhetfet6402 ok if we want to talk about "society" right, do note that homosexuality has existed since the beginning of time, it has been talked about in history.. So definitely it's not really an issue to society they have been living with us alongside for so many decades, even centuries, you can't deny that.. Also since when did LGBT people ask for "special treatment" please lah they just want to be accepted like everyone else if one thing they just want is just "EQUAL treatment" instead and you say they should either "leave or die" shows how you really view a human life's worth... and please don't speak as if LGBT people aren't "normal" it's really degrading, they just have a different sexual orientation, that doesn't make them "unnormal"
I never knew that love is allowing for someone to self destruct. So if your kids decide to have a love relationship with a dog, you allow them to do that in the name of "love"?
@@ohgin12345 not you labeling "homosexuality" and "beastily" together 💀
@@josephfong2003 It comes from the same motives
As the lesbian couple has aptly said, “We have completely left ourselves in the equation. It’s always been about others, their comfort and their happiness”. As a queer person, I’d prefer the conversation being centred in the LGBTQ community rather than homophobes and transphobes debating our right to exist. 🏳️🌈
it's so much harder for a lesbian to date a woman. yes, really.
@@wokeisnonsense yes, it’s hard for lesbians to date other women because of creeps like you.
Trolls and homophobes should keep commenting away so more Singaporeans watching this TH-cam video can open their minds and hearts to the LGBTQ community, and see how repulsive the views of some Singaporeans.
@@blurtakashi You got to let others express themselves too! We can't only hear what we like to hear.
@@wokeisnonsense yeah you cannot only hear what you want and not be upset with ppl calling you out, you dirty little troll!
It's every parents' worry their children's future. Never stop worry. It took my mom years to get to know me and fully supports me being myself. It's the greatest luck to be accepted and loved in this community. Thank you, mom.
Sure. Your mum is probably still hurting inside. And you will be judged big time
WOW!! when grace expression of Why we always prioritize the feelings of others “Their Comfort, their Happiness, Respect them” that we never “Considered our own LIMITS” that strikes me to death, il drink to that Grace.
Thank you,
Hello, thank you, and cheers! That was truly the lesson that I took out of the experiment and it goes to show that we can all learn something from each other if we open our hearts to truly having open and honest conversations - even if those conversations are hard ones.
How about gender reassignment surgery in children?
For me, as a heterosexual male, I really don't give a damn if you are a dude who likes other dudes, a lady who likes ladies, or someone who are attracted to literally anyone(pansexual).
I've seen a cute gay male couple who were trying to be lowkey PDA-ing on the train but I can tell they were afraid or nervous but they still were like rubbing each other's hands, stroking hair all that whilst constantly eyeing all directions and stuff, and I was literally smiling at them to signal to them that at least for that moment they have nothing to be nervous about..and to be honest it really was cute to see.
All I give a damn about is whether you are a decent human being with basic courtesy and manners. Let's all try to live in peace and harmony, for real.
This is why sg society irks me.
Many are not decent people with manners.
Emphathy! That's what is most lacking in Sporeans.
Thanks CNA and Dr Janil for doing this documentary.
I honestly don’t give a fk if my family or society accept it or not…but what I want is marriage/insurance/healthcare/housing rights. Honestly a lot of Singapore talents left the country because of this. A few years ago when PM visited SF, he asked what would attract the talents at Silicon Valley back home, and this was one of the main problem that was brought up. This is also a reason why I rather be in US than Singapore even though US ain’t that great at all….but not all are privilege or lucky enough to be in another country to sort another life that could give them and their partners the rights I mentioned above…
?? I understand the lack of marriage and housing. To be honest the housing priority for couples and traditional family units affect singles similarly anyways, so I feel like...hmm :/ But how does one's lgbt status affect one's access to insurance and healthcare? So confused.
@@Gehslol Same-sex couples that got married overseas can't add each other on their insurance plans (and CPF), so if one dies or is critically ill/disabled, their spouse won't be able to claim insurance like a straight couple would. Healthcare - trans people especially face discrimination and harassment in healthcare settings, which can discourage seeking help even when ill. Meanwhile, same-sex couples aren't recognised as family, which means they can't make critical healthcare decisions for each other and may not even be allowed to visit, e.g. during Covid, since legally they are just 'friends'. A lot of gay and lesbian patients have died alone because their lifelong partner wasn't allowed to be with them.
Polygamy family is facing discrimination. If 3 persons form a family, one of them have to sacrifice 😔 as a not the registered spouse. That person is deterred from health insurance and benefits that a family would in Singapore. 😢
@@anakinmcfly exactly!
@@renaturerelaxationchannel4800 that's a different issue that you're trying to mix people up. One is about the acceptance of sexuality and regardless what you identify as, only 2 people are in a marriage. What you are suggesting is 3 people in a marriage, and that's another conversation.
Thank you CNA for releasing this documentary.
I am an ally and Singaporean who moved to the Netherlands recently. It is the first country to legalize gay marriage and you can really tell how open the country is towards the LGBTQ+ community. About half the people I know are openly LGBTQ+ and it is the norm to accept and embrace them without question. I was once having a conversation with my Dutch friend about how people here are so accepting of the LGBTQ+ community and he said, "Because why wouldn't you? I don't see a difference between love between straight and non-straight people." He said that he had been raised like that from young, which is something that sounded shocking to me as I had been raised in a more conservative society, and to add on, in a Catholic family.
Being friends with people who are LGBTQ+ here has completely opened my mind and made me realize that Singapore has a long way to come in terms of achieving a more progressive stance and mindset. I look forward to the day that people accept LGBTQ+ people without question, so that my Singaporean LGBTQ+ friends can come out without fear of judgement and openly express themselves in Singapore.
Lucky sia. Can move.
Bravo to CNA for this multi-faceted documentary! It pretty much covered the views of different people related to the LGBTQ community. I had tears rolling down my cheeks when Fauzi and his dad hugged each other. That was a powerful scene. And that is a very good mufti. Even the way he speaks brings peace and calm. We need to be more understanding, especially towards our loved ones. It's sad to hear the anonymous dad saying that he will not stop helping his son, when all he wanted is for his son to "change". I think in this case, the only way to help his son will be to stop "helping" him. Spare himself and his son the agony of having to wrestle with how others perceive them and accept things as they are. Hope there will be a good outcome for them and most others in the same situation.
@@fhetfet6402 He's not a freak.
@@fhetfet6402
Stop projecting lah. Deep down u know your parents want abort u right? Lol.
@@tallibethau7713 go ask his god, his religion said that, not me.
@@fhetfet6402 Like, really? His religion used the term "freak"??😂
@@tallibethau7713 ohhh no.....maybe they term them lgbtq. lol
CNA is getting better and better in documentary .....
Just because it is something u like doesn't mean it is getting better. This is literally copying Jubilee lol this has been done.
@@FGoogleandyoutubethis is an important issue in society that needs to be addressed
@@renderz8435 there are other more important topics instead of this mental epidemic caused by the same grp. I dont understand why CNA never talk actual core problems like relative poverty, hardship in career transition, issues minorities like Malays n Indians face etc
@@johnwig285 They literally talk about these. There's the regardless of race series and just a couple weeks ago they had a talking point episode about the hardships faced by food delivery riders. Don't stir shit.
this is obviously political sensing.
I am enjoying CNA's documentaries, they're all very relevant and relatable. I am from the Philippines and I see a lot of similarities that Singapore and the Philippines are facing, like this topic. I am a transgender woman and I see all the similar challenges we face (LGBTQ+ Communities) here in the Philippines from this documentary. But I can say that Philippines is more accepting compared to Singapore based from this video.
Happy for u.. i do see pinoys being more open-minded abt lgbtq+ folks.. all of you are friendly and wonderful people ❤️❤️❤️
Not exactly sure about that, though...religion always sticks in the Philippines in subtle, sneaky ways, even with education maintained by the Church, and this will slow down the way the rainbow community (LGBTQI+) will be accepted.
Sorta a minor point, but it's a bit annoying that a lot of people throw around the "LGBT" umbrella discussing the issues in the documentary, when they're really just talking about the L and the G (i.e. homosexuality) and not the B or T (being bisexual or transgender)
Otherwise it's quite a clear exposure of the rooted fears behind lack of support for close relatives who are non-heterosexual, whether it be fear of judgement from peers and extended family, or fear of judgment from religion
agreed on the first point, wouldve loved to see more talks on trans ppl in sg and the struggles that they may face (as a trans person myself).
They keep adding letters to the abbreviation, but the internal support is still almost exclusively for the L and the G only.
Thank you so much for making the documentary despite it being not easy, as you've said. I was raised a Catholic and since I was a teenager some two decades ago, I've felt this sense of unfairness or being unsettled, about what's so wrong about two consenting adults who are not hurting anybody acting upon their love. Most people I talked about this brushed it aside or didn't bother to have a stand, because outwardly I present as cis het and it is not deemed to be my problem; like, they think I was just concerned about it like people are concerned about global warming - general issues that vaguely affect us. Twenty years ago, having such a multi-faceted documentary on CNA was unthinkable and I'm glad things have changed enough. I'm so glad that people are thinking deeply about it now.
I understand how parents are worried about their kids being part of LGBT community. They want their kids to be “normal”.
But as I became older, I realised being straight doesn’t mean anything. I have seen the marriages of straight couples becoming havoc. There were cases of adultery, domestic violence, false accusations. Families were destroyed because of these irresponsible partners/parents.
If LGBT couples are really in love and commit to the relationship, why not? They might even be better partners / parents than straight ppl and we shouldn’t judge them based on their sexuality. In fact there are straight ppl who just fucked up other ppl’s life in real life.
i hope these parents are equally worried of LGBT people passing off as straight people and marry their own children (because of their very own prehistoric views btw), only to find out that they are LGBT and screw their children’s lives up. what a full circle it would be
I dont need to sleep with my girlfriend.. but guy primary function is sex. So i agree.. women cant provide as much connection made for guy.. better quality relationship with similar type(gay)
how is that a good reason why society should accept perverse freaks like lgbtq.
Most of my extended family have failed marriage and stick together because of their kids. And when you live in contempt, waking up to someone you barely tolerated every day, you would expect the same for younger generations. The world would be a much better place if we stop caring about things that are not harming to anyone.
@@patt5085 and thats your arguement for lgbtq as a alternative? can lgbtq have off spring naturally? whats next? 2 dicks makes baby? wtf
This is an excellent documentary! Insightful, considerate, keen and thoroughly made. Kudos to the host, your thoughts are thought-provoking as well as enlightening. To the people interviewed, thank you for your wisdom!
“I am sorry dad, mom” I remember saying this to them and now I’m crying again remembering how hard it was to say this for being a son that brought shame to the family
good for you and you are still the shame.
Better to cut off your hand then to sin. Just paraphrasing. You mocking your dad by your fake apologies is going to land you more condemnation
It must have been really difficult for you. Please ignore the hateful and ignorant replies to your comment - clearly, their lives must be flourishing and full of interesting things to do that they have so much time to spend tearing other people down. Do know that there's lots of support out there as well, people who love you for who you are regardless!
@@aster_xx2670 Thank you very much for the sincere courage, yeah i numb to such words from such ppl already, let them be
You have nthg to be ashamed about. It is them projecting their own insecurities on to you.
If u nv harm others(rob/rape/scam etc) then u have nthg to be ashamed about.
Often, they are also misinformed/uneducated. If u still want, u can still have kids what. Not like you're sterile, lol. Also no all straight couple want kids.
7:38 i grew up watching movies with straight characters, read novels with straight characters, etc., basically i grew up in a society where other sexualities were not given attention and yet i am still gay.. so his statement came from a place of ignorance.. and no you can't just wake up the next day and choose to be gay after seeing a man kissing a man from a movie. You can pretend and pose as straight all your life or even marry and have kids, but you will never completely remove the attraction of the same sex.
I was brought up to believe that we should treat everybody equally and show respect to those different to us. I simply cannot fathom why so many others seem unable to do this.
Literally. If we can learn to be comfortable with different religious beliefs then why should sexuality be an exception.
Becoz religious bigots refuse to see outside their 'holy' box!
I feel this film was made with such love for humanity as a whole "regardless" of who we fall for - so peaceful and inspiring. Bravo!
To all the LGBTQ+ people who see this comment: Love yourselves for who you are, and be the very best version of yourself so that you can be the lighthouse for others who may be still struggling.
nope just the lgb not the t
@@nastehomohamedmuseims21dgk89 yeah man tbh, t people is just their choice or else how would they go from another gender to another gender without surgery right
@gohby 🫶👏
An excellent programme. Certainly a very difficult issue but I am glad the discussion has started. I think more needs to be explored, such as issues with regards ego, hypocrisy etc ; the issues which can be found in the history of civilization which have implications on this modern age. Religion, culture and their hold on society and civilizations and their very own hypocrisy need to be explored more.
If you do the same survey in Thailand, the result would be so much different. I think both culture and religion play a huge role on this topic. Obviously the majority of Thai people are Buddhist, but their views would be on a more-tolerant view than Buddhist Singaporeans in this survey. That’s because Thai culture is more tolerant on this taboo.
@32:52 - i cried. I love the message given by his father. ❤️
out of deep rooted shame and guilt?
My family is like Cheryl's. Maybe I am more cold-hearted, but I don't think a family that emotionally manipulates you is even family. But a lot of asian families are dysfunctional in that way, and we have to deal with it. It's in the nature of humans to crave acceptance and love from their parents, so it's up to her what she'll do in the end. 17:40 this would be my first response.
A lot of Asian families don't really tell each other their deepest thoughts, so a lot of the relationships are not authentic imo. So the expectation can't be high when most people are not able to accept people as who they are.
Asians are just generally toxic. Especially chinese.
if you could even blame your family by calling them manipulative, dysfunctional for your perv mental state, says alot about you. "It's in the nature of humans to crave acceptance and love from their parents"....are you still a child? adults dont, unless you are lgbtq..
@@fhetfet6402 adults cannot receive love from parents meh?
@@TryinaD nvm, u cant comprehend.
"The sex act is wrong, but the person is not" -- so what, the person has to be celibate? So painful to watch.
It's one of the many twisted logic of religion.
Good and informative doco on the issues facing the LGBT community in Singapore. Thanks for speaking to both sides of the fence including faith communities. Many of the issues would also be present in countries like New Zealand.
I do find one group unrepresented, the people who choose to leave their faith.
Hi Cheryl Tay, I felt exactly the same way as you about the double life for about 10 years after I came out to them.....I moved out after 10 years. But even now, I still feel the hurt and pain even though after moving out, they seemed to be more understanding and concerned "with strings attached". In my mind, the gap is now almost irreconcilable. That's something that we may just have to live with for the rest of our lives.
its all abt how you feel...always how you feel...typical lgbtq
Thank you so much for posting this video. I had a friend came out to me a decade ago and at the time, the internet didn’t have much information on LGBT. I’m glad that with globalization, topics like this can be made available online and regardless of what religion we are, we should always teach love and support for everyone regardless.
The more people talk about sensitive and contentious issues, the more likely that old norms will fall and new norms will be created. The process is painful but this paradigm shift is inevitable in Singapore's quest for global talent. Singapore just cannot afford to paint an image of it being conservative and unwelcoming of LGBT. The more you fight against it, the more painful it will be for you.
@@FGoogleandyoutube As a small island with no natural resources, human talent is the only resource we have. We don't have the bargaining powers to accept only talent who are compatible with our values just like how we do not have the power to set our own interest rates
@@FGoogleandyoutube Firstly, there is no link between race and the family structure. Secondly, as I mentioned earlier, a paradigm shift is inevitable. Your comment only serves to prove my point that the norm now will not be the norm in the future.
@FGoogle and youtube you are delusional. Singapore is already full of ang mohs and prcs. Do you think they care about your stupid backward religious beliefs and nuclear family BS? No, they are going to do WHATEVER they want and PAP will never intervene on your behalf. Ridiculous. Already ICA is granting long-term visas for same-sex partners of high-level diplomat and C-suite executive of MNCs behind closed doors on case-by-case basis. Why? Because GDP is important. So much for your "heteronormality". Frog in a well. Must be a HDB heartlander peasant.
You do not understand how the economy works. You do not understand what the paradigm currently is. Money is money, money will attract money. Expats do not "choose" to come here, they are assigned and given expensive offers. Stop spreading bullshit lmao
@@FGoogleandyoutube your comment destroyed whatever little logic your original argument had. Have fun living in your tiny bubble
I must say the dad that supports his Muslim son orientation is very wise - he said that as long as his son is happy and what he does did not impact others in any detrimental way - it is okay because god made him the way he is and therefore god has already accepted him
Lol no u have no idea what youre saying
@@ashraaf619 Seems you don't either so shut the hell up
From my understanding of how islam works, being a muslim myself, I feel that's a very narrow way of looking at things. In order to be a muslim, you have to devote all of your faith to allah, and be subservient to him. That's undisputed, and every muslim can agree with that. In order to be accepted by god, you have to at least have faith that god exists and that you have to obey god.
Moving onto the 'controversial' part of my statement. I feel that in order to be subservient to god and obey god, sometimes you have to make sacrifices. Sometimes you have to obey god even when it goes against your interests. Because that's what islam is truly about. Loving god and those around you unconditionally. Sometimes you have to sacrifice your interests and pleasures so you can get closer to god. For example, the quran explicitly states that things such as alcohol and homosexual relations are sins. The quran is the blueprint anybody can follow and read up on if they wish to be a faithful muslim. It doesn't exist to entertain or enlighten people 😅
It exists to educate and guide muslims towards a path that is closer to allah. And if you choose to disobey the quran, it's like you're disobeying the word of god. God is merciful, but when you openly disobey god and ignore what is explicitly and publicly stated and expressed in millions of mediums out of denial for your personal interests, it's hard to argue you're not outright disrepsecting and disregarding god 😅
And one thing is for certain, god does not ever tolerate mockery or disrepsect.
Ultimately, what the guy in the video does in his intimate life doesn't concern me at all. It's his personal life, and his afterlife to consider and ponder upon. Just felt that I had to leave that out there as I felt that in the event some people were to not take your comment judiciously, they would be misled.
Not to say the dad's decision to support his son is wrong, as it would probably be too extreme to outcast him entirely, but there's no denying that what his son is doing wrong, as it's going against gods words and wishes.
@@Enthusiast230 Not to burst yout bubble, but almost all religions are not accepting towards homosexuality either, so might as well try to not live your life what the holy books dictate not to. Get a life, fundie!
Omg education is so lacking in Singapore. The amount of ignorance is staggering
people will sympathise with lgbtq but that's about it
just look at our sex education...
@@iw4075 we have? I thought we had Christian sex education in public schools. Condom? I haven't even seen one let alone touch one till I'm in uni. All the talk about protecting children
I mean u look at our abstinence only education
I only found out abt lgbt by myself when online during CB
What you ? want Singaporean kids to learn about tweaking with drags , about sexuality instead of science maths and life
A classic case of "I don't mind, as long as it does not affect me or my family".
I can bet you their family relationship is not close one when they say that. They just need an excuse.
If they really love their family they would not mind bcos they would want them to be happy. And above all, able to reason in logical way. Like hiw sexuality is just 1 part of a person n they aren't "changing".
It's so pleasing to see Singaporeans discuss this topic so openly.
CNA, amazing touch on a rather sensitive topic! Job well done!
TBH....this "documentary" did not share much other than whats already out there(Parental struggles, Religious conflicts, etc). The POVs is, ofcourse, lacking in representation. There's ALWAYS an aesthetic over quality. Nobody from the Indian community? Like...again?
But it lowkey shows the way SG is. No matter what the issues are or the community in question, indians are ALWAYS not thought of in mainstream media. Someone who is NOT from some social media or asian-washed. Its actually worse to be Indian AND queer in SG.
Everyone is a human just Respect that everyone has their choices ,we don't have to discriminate anyone .
There's BG, there's GG there's BB and so on ,all are humans nothing to debate about all have human rights and we just simply need to respect it that's all
Once you go along the LGBT route, you have lost your right to be a respectable human
Why so? I’m curious. Could I say the same about straight people?
Life is short.. Find happiness is your own responsible... What others think is irrelevant. Live a happy life is what matter!
first world economy but with a third world mentality
Its fine to cut ties with family who doesnt support who you are. They never really loved you, they loved an imaginary version of you.
Correct. Live your life. Do not live THEIR life. They had their chance, so please give yourself a chance.
cut ties or not this is your own family matter. why whole nation and public has to accept?
You think the family is selfish for not accepting you, has it ever occured to you that at the same time you are equally selfish for doing what you like & dont give a fk how others feel. If you decide to live this life then pls respect others for not wanting to participating in your freak show.
@@wokeisnonsense Because they are part of the nation.
That's why some people don't have any moral values, they can throw away parents and family easily if others don't fit with their positions and idealogy.😅
I would say life is short and there is so little love in this world and so little bissful moment in life everyone is so stress working spread love not hate,despite the difference shawn and cheryl bravely share their story thumb up
Brilliant stuff n kudos to all involved 🙏🏻
appreciate the inclusion of lgb people in cna documentaries, (not t cos nvr talk abt trans issues anw hor) but would like to see the stories and experiences of lgbt people centered too next time. the debate affects society as a whole, yes, but primarily the lives of lgbt people and their health, safety and security the most
Everybody is too wrapped up in their own strong emotions to recognise that LGBTQ+ people are the ones who are actually being disadvantaged the most. But hopefully this documentary would open more people to discussion on the topic, and gradually more LGBTQ+ people’s voices will be heard as well.
The trans erasure is real, but hopefully we’ll tackle these issues one step at a time.
I hope for minorities to be happy and recognized ❤
Hi CNA Insider, great video. But have you consider giving credit to Jubilee team? Because the format of polling looks exactly the same as Jubilee's video.
Jubilee Spectrum
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I reckon they done it first? Have you watched Regardless of Race and Regardless of Religion?
No. They don't own it.
Finebros try to copyright react genre n look what it got them.
Unless they took specific thing from jubilee,they dont have to credit.
One do not want to be hurt by their love one yet it is so fine to hurt them with all one 'think' it only fair for them to handle it. Yes, this is the kind of love is all about - like it or not.
🏳️🌈 Such a beautiful video! More power to all my Gay friends in Singapore ❤
❤❤❤ those who come out bravely
I never really understood, how and why many people with religious views always seem to take the holy scriptures as an absolute rule to follow, 'The book says so, so it is absolute.' It feels like they do not have their own thoughts, and their faith is the only thing that makes them human.
This is for Cheryl - Love Is always enough. As humans, we are not perfect, we are all flawed and because of that we do always love completely, truly or unconditionally. And because of this, it seems that love is not enough. But if you love unconditionally, and you let it be so, “love” is always enough.
This is a very first and very step to open up conversations about LGBTQ realities. I think we all need to face this reality as progressive human beings.
That is why we need strong leadership to guide everyone through this. Programs like these goes a long way to help, to understand what are the issues, complexities and concerns. Especially for those poor parents who could not come to term with their children's innate sexuality. The authority should step in to alleviate what seem to be their universal fears and concerns about the welfare and treatment of their beloved ones because of their sexuality. They have so many concerns and questions with no one to turn to for answers...e.g. will their children be able to settle down with a life long partner and start their own family, will they be treated equally, will they be discriminated, will they enjoy the same treatment and benefit that is given to heterosexuals... there are still much to do to make Singapore a fair, just and equal society, as stated in our national pledge.
"to make Singapore a fair, just and equal society" was on grounds on of a heterosexuals society. pls cut the crap of trying to sway public's sentiments on lgbtq.
@@fhetfet6402 and why should it be? you support unequal treatment of a whole group of people?
@@nicolechan3692 I support treatment of sane, normal people, not a group of pervs. stop trying to play victim. the support these pervs are asking from are from the society which normal human built, ironic.... its a a fully grown person still relying on parents for money/food and cries foul he/she dont get any.
@@fhetfet6402 pervs? perverted behaviour is behaviour that is twisted, that is morally wrong in some way. please explain what is morally wrong about simply loving another adult who happens to be the same gender as you are. and there are plenty of LGBT people who have helped build society through the centuries, despite being shunned by that same society. Alan Turing is a famous example.
@@nicolechan3692 morality? dont even go there. if you cant see 2 of the same genders are morally wrong, there's nothing morally wrong to you. alan turing....we have billions of human from known human history to present day. a million of alan turing would not make a difference to science and society as we know it today. he is just another journeymen in science.
Some very cool stuff! Journalism in the right direction.
This greatly simplifies the issues. They only really talked about being gay or lesbian, completely leaving out any other identities. For example, at least in Malaysia, there is shariah law against "crossdressing" which really restricts the possibilities for trans women. Another example is for asexuality. Of course not all asexuals won't have sex (of any kind), but despite the idea of (straight) celibacy, there is still the expectation of marriage and gender conformity and so on. (I speak on the latter half of that as someone who grew up going to the church). I think a lot of it is a passing down of ideas that are outdated as well as the institutions as a whole. Religions should be able to evolve over time, but I think with Christianity especially there's so many different denominations (Pentecostal, Jehovah's Witness, LDS, Episcopal, Anglican, Baptist etc) with different interpretations and then when you get down to the individual church, that can also change.
I think there's an idea that younger people are more accepting because IN GENERAL we are, however like with anything there's a small minority that sort of dig in their heels. And vice versa for older folks.
Also, being gay is natural. There's gay penguins, gay sheep, hermaphroditic creatures and a species of lizard that reproduces through parthogenesis (i.e. they're all female). And of course, seahorses - male pregnancy
I think with the parents, they are afraid of what society will think, especially family members, but it's important to recognise that they themselves were likely indoctrinated by society that it's wrong.
Also, to address another thing, I find it very damaging that they platformed someone who believes in conversion therapy/"counselling" to change it. Say that the tables were turned, and society was majority LGBTQ+ (who can reproduce) and minority straight, would it still be okay to have (straight-->gay) conversion therapy?
~ A Queer Ace Enby ~
Also, religious people get so hung up on this "issue" (which shouldn't be an issue at all), but then in the Bible, there's things about what meat you can eat (something about cloven-foot creatures), not wearing mixed fabric, probably other things I'm forgetting right now....
And to address something else, being LGBTQ+ isn't a choice in itself. It's a choice if you use one of the words to describe yourself, but it's not a choice. It just is. If it was a choice, who would choose to be part of this community who is discriminated against? And sexuality isn't just about the LGBTQ+ community, it's also about straight sex. If it was so easily influenced by outside forces, who would be gay? Shouldn't everyone have been straight who was born in the 60s? Why were there so many gay men dying in the 80s (before the internet was widely available to the public)? I never saw ANY representation as a kid, yet I'm still queer. And for those of you who are going to say that it's trendy. First of all, it's not. Secondly, here's an analogy: there used to be very few left-handed people. Why? Because it used to be seen as "a sign of the devil" so children were punished for not using their right hand. But after people started to realise, "oh maybe we were wrong", the number of left-handed people increased, because they were now free to use whichever hand they liked. After some time of left-handedness being accepted as okay, the line plateaus.
Thank you for speaking my mind, fellow ace enby! I really wanted to share this video but seeing so many ignorant remarks without any effort (at least not apparent in the video itself) to educate and debunk those misconceptions kinda put me off, especially when people confuse sexuality with gender identity. But at least it's a step in the right direction...
I can also testify that sexuality/gender identity is not something people brainwash you into becoming. We already know something is different about us even as children, we only learn how to define it as we grow older.
@@chonkychinchilla Yeah, and they barely really talked to LGBTQ+ people themselves, mostly focussing on outsiders' perspectives. I mean, I'm glad it's getting talked about, since I don't THINK mainstream Malaysian media is even ready for this kind of conversation.
I think this is the purpose of this documentary... Not to campaign for the acceptance but to, at least to some extent, open the eyes of general public and say "hey, we have this new issue, this is what happening, we cover both sides for you"
Ultimately love your children, it is that simple! Love the totality of who they are. What is interesting is that people, parent, clergy know that an environment of danger has been created by these beliefs that do harm to their children and ultimately the entire society and they don't make major strides to change the mentality. Parents should adopt the attitude that every child is my child and not just about only protecting their own because ultimately all suffer. Religious leaders like to say hate the sin and not the sinner which for me is utter nonsense. Your spirituality is supposed to uplift, inspire and allow for people transform their lives if this isn't happening that what is the purpose of these institutions. These are the same institutions where horrible sexual discretions have happened for centuries so I don't think they are good judges on morality. If you say that your child or whoever in your family is a good and upstanding person then that's that. This is who they are. Who they choose to love is irrelevant. Also Gay people can have biological children the idea that they can't is ridiculous. I know plenty of gay and lesbian women who have had their c=own children.
I’m a mother too, and honestly I hope my children will be heterosexual, but his life is his own to live; I can’t live it for him and I don’t try. But I can love him for as long as I live, no matter what choices he makes in his life. And that is what I will continue to do. I agree with the other mother. It is unfortunate and hard to watch other parents attempt to control all the choices of their children and then be hateful towards their children, in the name of love, when their child makes a choice they don’t like. Nothing will make me not love my child exclude him from family affairs. And as love as the people he chooses to love, also love and respect him, then it’s fine with me.
lgbtq....see this...your claims of no wrong doing of morality yet your parents are the ones suffering for your perverse mental issues while you are out there pitying your pathetic selves.
know this, even there shd be a day when society "accepts" your pervs minds, that wouldnt ease any pain your parents are going through for they know you are not mentally sane.
Everyone is individually and equal and we can judge ourselves
When the software does not want to acknowledge the hardware, bugs appear. Usually this is fixed with a software update. If you try to alter and butcher the existing hardware, more problems will appear.
Just telling those parents that think they can change their son/daughter. I am sorry, but he / she is just being himself / herself. If you can't accept it, then you are not worthy of his/her love.
accept or not it's clearly your own family matter why drag whole nation into it?
@FGoogle and youtube they fed themselves and check themselves out of hospital after birth and call a cab.
@FGoogle and youtube you're listing things that all parents are required to do as the bare minimum. Kids don't owe their parents a life of lies just because they did what all parents should do. Good parents know how to actually love and accept their children
@@alyr767 When that lesbian couple said they've put themselves out of the equation, she really hit the nail on the head. It has always been about the selfish desires of people around them. The best part, who they chose to sleep with isn't even any other person's problem at all.
@FGoogle and youtube if you choose to have offspring it is your responsibility to take care of them. The offspring on the other hand does not owe you anything because they did not ask to be born. You want respect and filial piety, you need to earn it, not demand it.
it would be interesting to read this book Hidden from History: Reclaiming the Gay and Lesbian Past (from 1995) before one should comment negatively.
CNA, should interview the older (age 60 and above) LBGT. Get them to talk about their life.....After so many years of being LBGT. Get them to share!
If only more netizens could remember that "we all hold nuanced views on the basis of many different factors"
Does anyone know @40:27, what place is it? Where is it?
It's Real Food @ Yishun, next to Yishun Pond Park. Hidden gem really!
@@HuiHuan-T thank you! Blessed day ahead!
It's kinda funny because the same responses would have been made in the 1920s in the US if it was about racial integration
Being invisible and not recognized by the state can be dangerous as what the Khalistan movement teaches the world when the Sikhs are not recognised under the Indian Constitution. Thus, it is good that lgbtq people are slowly gaining recognition.
Also, the notion of kinship and family goes beyond blood ties and immediate family according to a lot of academic scholarship these days. I am saying, not just lgbtq kinship, but also other ways of what constitutes a family goes a long way back to soldiers fighting in world wars, Dance crews and others. Throughout history, kinship and family has take many different forms, so it is reasonable to accept lgbtq kinship as well as all the other types of kinship
Lastly, it is good that the law is being repealed as a lot of these laws have colonial roots
Pray that everyone can have peace in their hearts and minds and not interfere with others’ love. Love is the purest and we should embrace itt
I mean... given the next few generations to come, those who oppose this community will be seen as people who lived in the Stone Age. Seriously, there are so much more at stake here, why are we wasting effort into allowing a group of people to love. If it doesn’t affect you, why do you even care?? Imagine restricting a child’s potential to flourish just because of their sexual orientation! Common people! We should be channeling our resources to make this a better world, explore the universe, enhance our resources, invest in modern medicine and science. I bet you the people who support war and destructions are the very same people who oppose this group of LGBTQ+.
LJ the ones supporting LGBTQ are the ones who love wars because they love violence. Look at the US, all the riots & recent shootings are mostly from this grp. Not to mention the demographics of predators.
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Can't imagine a parent being disgusted by their child's sexuality because of how much shame it would bring them in front of their relatives and friends. Why do the thoughts of words of others matter? Do you really want to be surrounded by people who hurl hatred in your direction for something out of your hands?
When an LGBT child has the courage to open up to them and seek, not demand, acceptance - they push them away with bigotry. Utterly abhorrent people. These parents are not capable of loving, though they are proficient in exercising self-love.
I guess the problem can be "RECONCILIATION" itself. Sometimes it's better to choose one, go with it. You cant have it all....and that's alright 😃Just choose one that fits your personally
This is amazing programming 👏
A comment about Sean and Cheryl. It seems that both of them are too "caring" about their families. They do not want to rock the boat, and do not push their families, hence the families have no reason to change and adapt. If they were to be more forceful and more willing to upset their families, then I think it is likely there will be progress (after some pain initially)
So u want their parents to live a shameful live forever?
@@HawkishMerlion1965f I was one of them I would cut them of if they don’t accept me as gay fine Idc just treat me like a son don’t treat me like I got an issue cause if u do I’m cutting u off from my life
Progress as in acceptance from the family members? Or the rift getting further apart until both sides agree to part ways for good?
@@HawkishMerlion1965 why should their parents be ashamed of good children who wanted so much for them to be a part of their life? which is much more than what I say for many heterosexual children. whose usual excuses are, I am busy and have other commitments, I have my own children, wife or husband that I need to spend time with an look after etc. It's always the unmarried gay ones that ended up caring for them when they grow old. You think any of their relatives would step in to care for them?
@@dchey01 LOL! U not parents u don't know la, u stupid gay. Parents will want the very best for their kids, so they know been a LGB is a failure in life. Parents will not want their kids to take care of them, they prefer kids to set up their own family and continue what nature are: reproduce to continue the universe. LGB can reproduce meh? LGB are only lustful people without principal.
Parents rejecting their children's romantic relationship is really nothing new. It is a common experience which many people share. Religious circles rejecting relationships outside of their faith isn't anything new or uncommon either. It is not just LGBT people having difficulties in such scenarios. Sexuality is one of the many many reasons for conflict in the family.
This really helped me. I believe that I am supposed to work in the helping LGBT who seek to have a relationship with God, but I do not have the courage that the men of faith featured in this documentary have. But I would like to. I would very much like to reach out to these men and talk to them about how they got into this ministry. If anyone can help me do this. I would appreciate your help.
It's 2023 n yet still controversy and
uncertainty. I went for complete SRS surgery in 1981 at age 19 and both my parents signed the consent letter as I was under 21. My sister's and parents were by my bedside when I awoke from the anaesthesia. My hormone therapy was when I was in sec 3 in 1976. For my family, I was their daughter/sister. For my nieces n nephews, I'm their aunt as they were born after my surgery. I'm aged 62 now, my beloved Mom n Dad has passed, miss them every second❤️. My family never for one second had any side thoughts...and I am aged 62. It's 2023 today, discrimination has lessened... Most importantly talk to your child and get to know the real them. LGBT is not a virus, we are born this way... Both my parents were staunch Catholics. It's understanding n live for all their children to see us all happy. Which I am today🙏🙏🙏... Thank you Mom🙏, Dad🙏 and my beautiful family🙏🌹🌹❤️❤️
😊 i hope for the best.
The media is playing with people's emotion.
Not enough!!!! Demanding for a 2nd part!!! Amazing!!!!
I think curtailing anybody else's right to express themselves mainly because of your convictions is in itself wrong because you are insisting "on Them" what you think is "morally right to you". I think as long as those expressing themselves according to how they see fit about themselves and is not in any way directly causing any physical pain or harm to anyone around them then they should have a chance to do that. I think the issue is not about sexuality but rather the willful insistence of one's beliefs and conviction on others.
The secret, is to surround yourself with people who make your heart smile. It's then, only then, that you'll find Wonderland.” - Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll. It is a quote I always remember by hard, and steer myself away from anti-LGBT people whether they are family members or not. If your parents are hurt by who we are, it is not necessary to drive their hurt deeper by insisting that they meet our partner...etc. We are all grown up, not mommy boy or princess. Learn to live independently and be responsible for our own life without having to constantly scream about it to our parents or siblings. Live your life directly with God, not through man acting like God or as agent of God.
As a mother to a LGBTQIA, I accepted my child without questions when she came out. I don't understand the parents who cannot accept their child's sexuality. At the end of the day, as parent's, all we want and desire is our children's happiness and success. For Cheryl, Sean and those affected, please continue to be happy and successful. Don't let your parents ignorance hinder you. Eventually and hopefully, they will realize their mistake and if not too late, make amends with you. For the parents who continue to bury their head in ignorance, it is your lost.
You are an amazing parent ❤👏
Yes we do desire them to be happy. But happy at the expense of them going to suffer in the afterlife? No for me. People say if u love them then u accept them for what they are. For me, i do love them but i dont support their lifestyle. If they got married with the same sex, i will not be attending theirs. They ask for my blessings, i cant because based on my faith, there is no blessing in same sex marriage. They can come anytime to my house for gathering or dinner but cant bring their same sex partner along. I love them so i wont go to the extend of cutting communication or even ties.
@@Kalimatullah_Yoh1-1.14 a few questions to you since you stated your opinion (that I tolerate, but do not respect): We are in the now, meaning in the present. Why are you so focused on the so-called "afterlife"? Are you going to judge and exclude people just because you desire a better life for YOURSELF in the so-called "afterlife"? Also, you stated that you desire lesbians, gays, bis and so on to be happy, but you do not support their lifestyles. Well, those aren’t lifestyles. It is their identities. Simply who they love. What they are. The way they are born, meaning determined by genetics. And in your faith (could be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, doesnt matter here) genetics are clearly GOD-GIVEN, since god is the creator of basically everything in those religions. Didn’t god love EVERYONE? Wasn’t Christianity/Islam/Judaism about love and respect? What about the preachings in churches with the signs saying "Jesus loves you all"? Wouldn’t that be a contradiction with your opinion and go against the CORE BELIEFS of Christianity/Islam/Judaism? Where (and this is probably the most important question) does the bible/quran/torah (depending on your religion) EXPLICITLY (not implicit!!) state that god opposes being attracted to the same gender? There is no verse which condemns it. It’s a myth that the bible/quran/torah opposes it, some preachers just cherry-picked verses that sound like they could, but none are explicit. Therefore let’s stop this approach of hate and let’s respect each other, since god would probably pay lots of attention on how we treat people around us. Have a wonderful day ♥️
all of LGBTQIA or just one?
@@elvisionario9466ah all i know some researcher who claim lgbt is genetic are a gay or lesbi them self 😂. What a joke, we are born with only two gender, no mistake about it, only some little case a person born as woman or man but the doctor miss identified them. And that lgbt behaviour is sickness because one of my wife uncle actually normal person when he is kid, than after he go to city and became quite successful but the city famous of it gay community growth. well he become one of them 😂 and he struggle to fix him selfie, because the community are hunting him to became gay again if he tried to became normal. Only if he affected with deadly des
in foreign firms i think they are more open about this?
Define open.
Take a look of Thailand. When homosexuality is no longer an issue and nobody even bothers to do a documentary on this topic, then we are truly living in a land of equality and happiness.
The message of most religions is one of love and acceptance. It is important to remember that LGBT people are just like everyone else, needs loved and acceptance.
Religion should not be used to justify violence or hatred. There is no place for violence or hatred in any religion. It is important to remember that LGBT people are human beings.
If you are religious, it is important to remember that your faith does not give you the right to discriminate against others. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect, regardless of sexuality orientation or gender identity.
sure, as long as lgbtq stop quoting from religious text that homosexuality are accepted by god.
Yet most of the homophobic come religious groups. Ever wonder why is that? Religion are suppose to spread love, but somehow all they do is spread hatred and discrimination. They even use religion as a shield on their behavior that they are doing justice on behalf of their "God". Seems like a joke to me
@@fhetfet6402true that they are often quoting from religion text to force people to accept them, mean while in america and europe they start to force their community to child. What a freak, one thing i hate from them. They are forcing people to not only accept them but also became one of them.
@@ahmadanggra4370 not only that, there are a threat to the future of human kind. ironically, these freaks/perverse are the by-products of a civilled society. the world should legislate laws empowering the public to execute these perverse at will.
I believe what this documentary taught us is there's a grey area in everything.
The LGBT subject is very hard to answer, and a black-and-white view simply does no justice to those nuances at all.
If we ever want to figure out those answers we ought to talk in dialogue. There's no way a one-liner can decide the answers to all
For the group exercise instead of having the attendees form a line in order thus having those standing in the back be potentially impacted by whomever is in front just have them stand wherever and form along a flat axis
She Blinded me with SCIENCE - T.Dolby.
Tell me you're a reliturd without telling me.
LGBTQ is NOT A CRIME. It is who we are and we are proud to embrace our sexuality! We deserve love in all shapes and forms like every one else.
yawn.
I have been around friends and family or coworkers who prefer same-sex relationship or marriage. And... ok loh, no difference. Same conversations, we eat the same food and have same thoughts, etc.
Until now, I dont understand why people are so rejective towards them and some even out to hurt their feelings.
Fruits comes in different Shapes and Sizes 🚯
It is not but spreading it to kids and confusing them is
@@Wis19394 lgbtqi folks don't have children lah.
Here is something that I don't understand with regards to the Islamic, Christian and Catholic faith's seemingly conflicted view/stand of LGBTQ persons. For me personally, it is very clear. There is no conflict for me. The religious texts state that it is a sin, and hence wrong, to pursue such attraction, lifestyles, and sexuality. But this is referring to the physical practise, the sexual acts of the people involved. And it also includes straight people having sex outside of a registered marriage. Who the people are is not the problem or the sin. It is what they do with who they are that determines whether a sin is committed or not. Let's say for eg, that I'm straight and single, and see a woman and find her physically very attractive. If I do not act on that attraction, whether physically having sex with her before marrying her or mentally fantasizing having sex with her before marrying her, I have not committed pre-marital sex and hence, have not given into temptation and have not sinned. And if I'm a LGBTQ person, I can also find myself attracted to another LGBTQ person but if I do not act on that attraction, if I do not act on any of my LGBTQ desires and attraction, I have not committed any sin as written in the religious texts. My relationship with my God remains intact. What is there to reconcile? I'll just have to accept that I will either give in to my LGBTQ desires and hence, be torn away from my God by my sin, or choose to remain single, not act on any of those sexual desires and remain a part of my God's kingdom. Temptation is not a sin. Desire is not a sin. Giving in to temptations and acting on those desires is the sin. Crystal clear for me, personally. I don't expect everyone nor require anyone to accept it, but for me, there is no confusion or conflict. It is the practise of the individual, not the individual.
Thanks for sharing ur comment.. Im a queer woman.. as much as its hurtful to read, I do understand ur way of thinking.. hopefully there will be love, understanding and respect towards to queer community ❤️❤️❤️ i believe that is the foundation of all religions
Someone has read and lived Bible, good 👍 may God be with you
Actually, you have to consider the number of translations that the Bible went through before it was in English. It's gone through Hebrew, Ancient Greek, probably Latin etc, and the originally, the thing about Sodom & Gomorrah was about non-consensual sex. And one of the verses (I can't remember which one right now), actually referred to the common Greek practice of pederasty at the time.
Respectfully, there is a conflict because being gay extends beyond "attraction" to the same sex. The very definition of "homosexual" includes being sexually attracted to the same sex. In other words, for the vast majority of gays and lesbians, their sexual desires are intrinsically tied in to their identification as a gay or lesbian person. You cannot expect a gay or lesbian to not act on their sexual desires the same way you cannot expect a straight person to only be romantically and not sexually interested in someone else. It is even more confusing for transexual persons because their very identity is in antithesis to the notion that one must not change the sex that God has assigned to them. Therefore, religion is in fact in direct conflict with the acceptance of LGBTQ persons. I understand that you have attempted to reconcile the two by drawing a distinction between the individual and the acts of that individual but in my view, that is an arbitrary distinction because those two, more often than not, go together.
What confuses me is why the LGBTQ issue has to be as divisive as it is currently. It is one thing to practice your religion but another to impose it on someone else. Does it really matter if someone identifies as LGBTQ considering no third parties are harmed in the process? What has the sexual life of 2 consenting adults have to do with the rest of us as a society?
Fully agree. Not religious but this is how i’ve always proceeded with life. Temptation to do something harmful is not intentional; actually doing it is. In fact resisting the temptation actually speaks volumes towards someone’s character. I’m agnostic and support the community, so probably not the same as you, but i’m glad that people like you exist. Rational interpretation, leaving others be. Thank you.
Family members effected the most. As for strangers they don't know you and don't get involved with you personally life like family.
School libraries and the national libraries are "not allowed" to buy young adult/children books with LGBTQ characters.
Nah they want to force their madness into kid 😂. Most normal parent do not want their kid turned gay or lesbi but no problem accepting gay or lesbi because they not affected them directly. It is different stories for our kid 😢