Lord Heseltine on Brexit: The Single Market was always in Britain's interest
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2023
- Join our Director, Anand Menon, for a fascinating conversation with a stalwart of British politics, former Deputy Prime Minister and current President of European Movement UK, Lord Heseltine.
He will reflect on his time in government, including his roles in the Thatcher and Major cabinets, and his significant contribution to urban regeneration.
Discussion will also focus on the current state of British politics, including Brexit, levelling up and the future of the Conservative Party.
Thatcher didn't create the Single Market. Its origins date back to the Treaty of Rome 1958 - 15 years before the UK finally was granted membership.
May her soul roast in hell eternally!
it was always in the strategy, as is full federal ideology...but the SM did not get created til '86.....and it was a complete disaster for the UK.
@@Jj-ff9vq Funny, it was not a complete disaster for other member states. They all had to follow the *same* rules and regulations.
@@EllieD.Violet it wasn't a disaster for Germany....it was for many other Fed Zones....go and speak to a Greek pensioner and explain to him how his sacrifices have led to....a huge increase in debt to gdp.
@@Jj-ff9vq The Greeks didn't suffer because of the SM. They suffer because for decades they cooked their books and eventually their house of cards collapsed.
PS Since you apparently have no clue when it comes to this topic: best keep your gob shut
The brexit Paradox is that any govt capable of delivering brexit wouldn't.
Yes, you're right.
They engineered what would happen in the highly unlikely event of Brexit and leaving the eu. Blaming poor policy making and incompetent people for responsible jobs, but also were remainers.
The situation today is because of much deliberation and planning a poor job.
Excellent comment
Grow up. Being in the EU is not ‘mandatory’ and if it is it just goes to show we no longer live in a democracy because there can only be one ‘right’ answer on a ballot
The question then must be, why can't English small businesses do something that Spanish, French or German small businesses can do?
The agricultural support system (the CAP) was primarily about food security. After ww2 that was a significant issue and rightfully so imo.
But the country that benefited most was the small French farmers to the detriment of many other countries
@@gordonfleming458
Yes, the French were shrewd negotiators.
@@Conservator. and we were very week
CAP? now that really was corruption on a vast scale, for the slimy french to tap into.
@@gordonfleming458You were not a member at the time, so yes a very weak negotiation position indeed.
Great reminder and historical insight for us. Maybe too late as we’ve turned our back on the EU regretfully
The liars of the Leave Lot told us Turkey were joining and soon, that we could have whatever terms we wanted, we hold all the cards, that the UK was too important not to, that German car makers would ensure it. The economists said we would lose 4% of GDP every year and we have lost between 4% -5.5% according to studies including by the government.
Do be quite! You really are a little establishment brown nose who loves being taken for a ride. Go join yor little family in Brussels and stop trying to fight a lost battle. You remoaners need to educate yourself with the facts.
I’m sorry are you saying Turkey will never join the EU . They are in a custom union with the EU as preparation to join.
If the UK had voted remain do you really think when Turkey does join the EU people would be given another vote I don’t think so.
The Banks did not leave for Frankfurt & Paris, Airbus is still here and expanding , BMW and others still investing in the Uk not what the remainders were saying. All the UK needs is a competent government and looking at the opposition I’m not hopeful.
@@markjohn3791 Turkey are short of 50 odd measures such as on human rights before it could even be voted on and some would just say no
Still, at least we've got bendy bananas again, it was all worth it!
I don't really think that regulation has been removed. Not sure though xD.
We still have plenty bendy bananas in the EU. Straight bananas are seriously lacking though. Something must have gone wrong with those banana rules.
@@Nice0n3There never was a regulation about bent bananas. It was a lie by a UK journalist to discredit the EU. The name of that person was Boris Johnson when he worked as a journalist - another Boris lie!
I look back now and see how the few honourable Tories like him, John Major, Ken Clark were giants undermined by a swarm of nasty insects of unprincipled politicians.
Major &. Clarke honourable? LMFAO.
@@DavidEdwards-uf5lg Gove Jonhson Dorries WTF Numpty
You are truly delusional. 😂
Ah typical. So if you agree with them they’re honourable - have you considered that you and they are both pandering to globalist interests? That’s not honourable
If the UK business was making more money by trading with Europe they had the means to employ additional staff to cover the additional expense of form filling 👍
Hezza is correct. And we threw it away.
For sure !
Still very sharp for his age.
Really. Still talks garbage.
But, according to one 'Brexiteer', who thought, "it would be easier to deal with the single market, from outside it" ! Faced with that sort of mentality, what can one say ?
*Where are the little fascist opportunists, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Boris Johnson, 30p Lee, etc., to listen to this!*
At least we have the CPTPP 😂😂😂
True. Good to be a member of the largest trade bloc in the world.
@@Jj-ff9vq The UK is not yet a member if I'm not mistaken. And most of the CPTPP members already have trade deals with the EU.
@@flitsertheo accession agreement is signed and just a matter of legislative due process. It anchors us further away from the EU.
@@Jj-ff9vq Resulting in 0.08% GDP growth in a decade. While leaving the EU resulted in an estimated 4 to 5% GDP loss. ONS figures, mind you.
@@maartenaalsmeer well the one thing you can state with 100% confidence is the ONS is wrong every time. Leaving the EU didnt create a 4-5% loss in GDP it was a forecast of less growth....but then, in fact, our GDP is outperforming the EU....not that its great, but thats how bad the EU is.
God bless Lord Heseltine. One of the very best.
Heseltine? One of the biggest WANKERS walking, he's only bothered about the EU because he's got millions of pounds of his own money tied up in it.
Best what? Establishment jokes? 😂
One of the very best liars.
He would say that
Why would you pay Billions to buy overpriced products , Then they surcharge you 10 % if you want to buy outside the E U .
Overpriced or better quality?
Who would want to engage with someone you want in your house speaking to your children?
I noted the lack of gender neutral terms.
You mean in the interest of big business
Having England in the Single Market was never in the EU member state's interests.
Ask any industry. Rubbish
@@nicks4934 There is no point having them back, they have nothing to offer. de Gaulle was right all along, about never having England in the EU. In around 2015 an elderly Italian diplomat said in an interview, the UK is all about being disruptive and deliberately undermining the EU from within.
Hadn't realised England was a country in the EU, let alone the Single Market...
The original trade agreement is one thing. Interfering in every aspect of our lives more recently is completely different and no longer in our best interests.
Single market....but no politics.
single market IS politics
Heseltine, the only honest Tory, pity he was sacked by Thatcher and May may
Germany is in recession we are not why would we want to be part of that. And Michael Heseltine really.
😂 so Brexit helped us? How
@@nicks4934 well it does not help that people don’t believe in this country for a start. The EU did not help me whatsoever just dictated and before you start on oh they have the health and safety laws we are responsible for our own we don’t need some unelected p***k to tell us otherwise
Quote - well it does not help that people don’t believe in this country for a start.
Why do you think people don't believe in this country? @@trivit472
No it wasn't
Good grief, the fossil is still around.
What people REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND is that EU makes things possible but the EU doesn’t do things for you. You are the ones that has to move your own arse 😠 If you don’t then it is YOUR FAULT and not the EUs.
Heseltine the old dinosaur never complained about UK democracy when the votes were going in his favour.
True brexit would bring huge benefits ...finish it. The EU is doomed.
WE NEED TO GET BACK INTO THE SINGLE MARKET AND CUSTOMS UNION, to dump the crappy Truss trade deals and apply to re-join. They will let us in if we can prove the country wants that, in a new vote
The UK has to rejoin the EU which is the UK's only route for the UK to get back into THE SINGLE MARKET AND CUSTOMS UNION as Norway says that it will block the UK from joining EFTA. The 27 countries of the EU will only allow the UK to rejoin the EU if the UK changes its Parliamentary electoral system from first past the post to proportional representation in order to prevent the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and the tory European Research Group from ever holding the levers of power in the UK.
As of 2023, little brexitannia fails to meet 50% of the accession criteria.
See you around 2070.
Greetings from the EU 🇪🇺
@@EllieD.Violet We were in until 2020 effectively, not much has changed. They will have us back. Small details and public opinion in a Ref are all that's needed
@@syedhasan5861 We do not have to join EFTA. We can join the EEA and negotiate the rest. Turkey and Switz are special cases as we could be
@@ParcelOfRogue You didn't even meet the then respective set of accession criteria when you were permitted to join in 1973. You only were given a pass on your lack of suitability because Ireland wanted to join. 2 blind eyes were turned. Else you'd still be waiting.
We 🇪🇺 decide ourselves whom we permit to join - and whom not. It's our 27 national parliaments that decide - and in some countries, us, the voters in referenda.
Greetings from the EU 🇪🇺
No it wasnt
A con bought by you Heseltine. Complete your National Service which you owe the Army.
The Single Market largely benefitted multinational and global corporations - I don’t think that’s a good thing…..
Another one who doesn’t understand what the Four Freedoms of The Single Market means. I will explain it for you. You are young student who just graduated from the School with a diploma. You decide to go toItaly and start your own business because you are the Pro now. You (freedom of the movement of people) take all your cash with you (freedom of the movement of capital) and all your equipment (freedom of the movement of goods) in to your car with the cat and the dog and drive to Italy 🇮🇹 Then you find a location and start getting customers (freedom to provide services). Customers like you and now you have a business and income. Then you meat someone and because you can stay you move together and start a family with 2 people, 2 dogs and 1 cat. 4 Freedoms is for the SMALL people. Now tomorrow the UK will be completely out from the Single Market 🥳🥂🍾
All this talk about a "single market" - these were the lies the politicians spread at the start. We were joining a "common market". No mention of joining a 'political union' that would erode our own domestic politics. I would trust Heseltine as far as I can throw the Palace of Westminster.
Heseltine has always been short on facts long on stories.
Didn't his estate benefit from CAP?
What’s your contribution 😂
We stand with Farage 🇬🇧
Go Fartage 💨
Except it unequivocally wasn't.
Anyone who takes a minute to look at the UKs Balance of Payments can see it went into cardiac arrest from the 1970s. Our trade imbalance with the EU was (still is) horrendous....we were paying billions for the privilege of buying their products. Complete insanity.
Now, today, our employment is higher, and our GDP is above the EU. The EU is in an horrendous mess.
A question: Wasn't the UK getting something out of being in the EU? And if so, how did that compare to how much we were putting in? If we contra the figures out, were we at a loss? I hear this a lot where the UK were putting billions into the EU but I never, ever hear how much we were getting out. Just a simple question...
@@Elst07896 As I just wrote above, go and check the balance of payments and trade deficit statistics for the UK. Start from the 1950s (post war) and watch what happens from the 70s. The only part of the UK that benefitted was the square mile / city of London and Canary Wharf on financial services, and big business accessing cheap labour from the mid 2000s.....of course, Heseltine was right on one thing, Thatcher was right behind the SM....so much so theres a boardroom named after her in Brussels.
Well, ALL 27 countries of that "horrible mess" are doing better than the UK in terms of economic growth in this post pandemic world, including Germany wich has been specially affected by the ukranian war. Just check the OECD figures.
@@Jj-ff9vq But surely there's more to this than the balance of payments. Yes, a quick look at various sites do suggest that the UK were making £BNs in net contributions. I'll grant you that. But Canary Wharf and cheap labour from the eastern bloc doesn't concern me particularly, what concerns me are the farmers, the fishermen, small businesses, migrants caught up in processing centres, the costs of transporting goods from UK to Europe and vice versa, decades old businesses migrating to Holland and Belgium, our isolation from the world stage, a contracting economy, a relatively weak £... I could go on. All these things and more we were promised WOULD BE better if left the EU and they haven't been. That's not an observation, that's a fact. I do take your point 'Jj', but there's a lot more to being in the EU than it being just about paying green fees or club dues!
@@Jj-ff9vqit’s not a single market but a unelected political bloc can’t you understand ??? What a rocket
The price for free trade was far too high, had it remained a trade organisation without the political alignment then maybe it may have worked, but it was never just about trade, and we are right to have withdrawn from it. Hessletine is an irrelevance, which is why he was never allowed to lead the party
Rubbish. Just ask small business owners that used to have European orders until Brexit ended that. And the price you should be talking about is the price paid for peace, which was always the primary goal of the single market. of course a little englander would not comprehend that.
@@baronburch6702 Peace was maintained by NATO not the EU federal monolith, I have nothing against a simple trading agreement, but I refuse to be part of a supranational European state. I have no issue with Europeans, but that does not mean I want to be governed by Brussels.
If you love the EU so much, go and live there. I am sick of middle class morons telling me how good the EU was. For the working communities of the north, it has been a disaster, from fishing, to steel making, and manufacturing to immigration, the EU has been detrimental for working class communities.
@@mickymondo7463very true 👍👍💯💯💯💯
@@baronburch6702why don’t you like democracy ooooooh you are European got it
but it still works , that uk don't want to be part of it won't change that , it's the uk loss, if you don't want minimal wage or safety regulation we don't care
but if want us (eu) to buy annything from you than you will have to comply to all our minimum standart rules or pay tarifs otherwise lose the eu market
and to be fair (i'm from belgium and have 2de home in scotland bought before brexit) beside whiskey the uk market has little to noting to offer the eu market
so i'm pretty sure next time you wana join the club say goodbye to the pound and miles pints inches and all that old crab maybe we even force you start driving right like normal eu citticens
An ancient old crone demonstrates that getting on TV is still important to him. Why would anybody listen to someone who is now politically irrelevant. If you want to see the EU in action check out the row between Poland and Ukraine. Partners and neighbours in action.
Ukraine is a member of the EU? since when? Oh that's right, they aren't. In fact it's one of the things Putin wanted to prevent. So there's that.
I don’t think that’s what incentives Heseltine.
@@danishpastry2885 Bitterness?
Is Ukraine in the EU ??
@@mikeclifford7740 This is a discussion about Europe their relationship ship with their neighbours. They don’t give a monkey’s about each other so wether they are EU members is irrelevant. Glad I could help.
Heseltine is a very rich very sad old irrelevance.
What? Unlike the collection of corrupt, racist, lying incompetents sitting around the Cabinet table in the past 15 years?
Best thing we did was to leave the unelected group of mafia style Corrupt institution.
Yeah, best thing you could do. For us in the EU.
@@Harry-tb8yo I’m sure you’re happy living in a none democratic society as you are ruled by people you didn’t vote for and make rules you can’t even argue against.
@@bigpete1963 Ehem, so it is better in the uk? I do not think so.
I think it does not matter where you look right now, politicians suck.
But if it is your opinion, that the uk makes better laws and better politics, I am happy for you.
Asking a brexiter about the benefits of leaving the EU is a no brainer, they have no brain just constant verbal diarrhea.
Leave one group of mafia style corrupt institution to be left with our own mafia style corrupt institution hahahaha!!!! Sounds very clever move!!
Why dont you remainers ever look at the facts ? On Thursday (05 Oct 2023) the independent ‘European Court of Auditors’ issued a damning report on the EU’s accounts for last year, identifying breath-taking sums of expenditure which have either been fraudulent or which it considers to be at ‘high risk’.
For yet another year, the EU’s Auditors concluded that the level of error in the EU’s accounts was “material and pervasive”, and have thus issued an adverse opinion on the EU’s spending in 2022.
When companies receive such a report they accept it and act on it. Not in the case of the EU Commission, who have arrogantly rejected many of the findings of this independent body they set up. You are supporting a corrupt organisation. .
Tories have stolen 800 billion. 16000 pounds per adult UK peasant.