Gen 3 OU Tier List - February 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:26 S RANK - Tyranitar
0:49 Skarmory
1:41 Metagross
3:13 A TIER - Swampert
4:10 Zapdos
6:45 Gengar
8:06 Salamence
11:00 Blissey
14:18 Jirachi
16:42 Celebi
19:00 B RANK - Suicune
20:53 Aerodactyl
22:33 Claydol
23:51 Dugtrio
26:10 Starmie
28:26 Magneton
30:20 Snorlax
32:46 Moltres
34:20 C RANK - Flygon
36:14 Charizard
37:51 Milotic
39:04 Hariyama
40:20 Forretress
42:01 Breloom
43:41 Jolteon
45:52 Gyarados
48:02 Hariyama
49:01 Cloyster
51:03 D RANK - Regice
52:45 Smeargle
53:56 Medicham
54:36 Kingdra
55:45 Jynx
56:42 Raikou
57:39 Venusaur
58:38 Porygon2
59:51 Ludicolo
1:00:29 Vaporeon
1:01:36 E RANK - Registeel
1:02:38 Misdreavus
1:03:11 Ninjask
1:03:39 Marowak
1:04:17 Armaldo
1:05:03 Weezing
1:05:44 Blaziken
1:06:34 Glalie
1:07:19 Machamp
1:08:04 Camerupt
1:08:42 Houndoom
1:09:44 F RANK - Regirock
1:10:33 Steelix
1:11:04 Lunatone
1:12:06 Sceptile
1:12:36 Slaking
1:13:44 Donphan
1:14:46 Articuno
1:15:24 Roselia
1:16:09 Umbreon
1:17:14 Outro
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snorlax not in the f rank, immediate dislike. even the past paradox form of BKC, Great Kevin would agree with me.
what about the future paradox form, Iron Gosling?
He's not the best but idk about F rank. Maybe C or D
TRUE
Not Great Kevin
He's ok, i hate curse but utility with selfdestruct is good
Blaziken belongs in B rank, because Blaziken begins with B. Top ranking Smogon Proffesors agree that this makes the B tier the most logical placement for Blaziken.
Xernas, Yveltal, and Zygarde disagree
10000 missed calls from Flygon
This is insane, thank you for the breakdown Mr gaming
The Lanturn gang will not forgive these slights
So true
but then they have fucking lunatone on here ???? also like roselia is on here??? but there are so many better mons who are not? so weird
Can't wait to see Blaziken's placing after his breakout ADV Revival success!
I'm convinced Jimothy pronounces Medicham properly first and then pronounces Medikam incorrectly later on purpose
I thought he said flygon was immune to spikes because it have leather taint and I was like baffled until I realized he said levitate
I just wanted to say thank you Jimothy for introducing so many of us to Gen 3 OU. I started playing this format a little bit ago and broke top 500 on the leaderboards after watching your videos and the ADV Revival tournament. It's been an absolute blast. Folks, we are indeed gaming
I just can't believe Iron Mugulus couldn't make it out of UUBL in Gen 3. This is insane
"Is not op in uu, we just don't like it and wanted to quarantine it"
I cant believe dusclops wasn't here, but surely it would win "tier of its own", because it is truly insane.
I can’t believe he skipped over the SS tier with OU staples poliwrath, Abra and duskull
Butterfree as well
Kind of insane that Wailord doesn't even make the cut considering there's stuff like Ninjask and Lunatone
Ninjask is a real terror on the OU ladder
Ninjask is way above Wailord’s league, but yeah it’s definitely weird seeing Lunatone here but no Wailord
Wailord is super ass
I imagine the prevelance of zapdos really hampers wailords chances. That and blissey entirely walls it.
blissey doesn't entirely wall it because it just booms on it. Baiting in blissey is like half its purpose in OU lol@@dengar96
I think one thing you missed about magneton is how useful it can be as a niche gengar check late game. nothing it has besides fire coverage can do better than 4hko so it has that entry point
Mag's defensive typing gives it a lot of random good matchups vs a lot of mons' specific sets
I remember back during the 00s reading about how broken Adv Heracross was that it was considered banworthy, 15 years later and it's C-rank.
What even made them think Heracross was banworthy I'm so lost
@@xuanathanBecause the metagame was different? ADV is notorious for being constantly changing and advancing despite the tools available remaining the same. It's the same reason why some Pokemon get better over time.
@@cultofmel
I'm asking what made Heracross broken what checked it, what didn't check it how did it sweep not a condescending lecture on how metagames work fuck off so somebody helpful can answer
@xuanathan people probably weren't using Skarm or as much as today, im guessing after people figured out spikes skarmory was op, more flying type pokemon came in style
Gen 3 Swampert is an absolute delight
Kingdra in D rank is one thing, Regirock in F rank is another...
But Dusclops is GONE.
guh????
Actually good point, where th is Clops
Kingdra is just absolute ass.
i thoroughly enjoy how you always refer to pokemon you like as "epic"
Ninjask is just the “pray they don’t have any roar mons”
battling ninjask without roar is one of the few things that makes me rage in a video game. My cortisol levels spike whenever it hits the field
Meteor Mash is truly a meta gross move
This tier has an unfortunate lack of Piloswine in S+ tier. Do they not know the power of the King of the Forfeit?
It’s 4am and I should go to bed but then Jimothy Cool posts an 80 minute video and I have to watch it immediately lest I face the consequences.
It was probably like midnight for him when it uploaded but I assume it was important for him to make sure his subscribers saw this to protect them from various looming threats
@@jykatyk567pretty sure he's in AUS. so yeah it was 10 to midnight depending on where he is in the country
I feel like wailord is better than most of the mons in F rank and deserves an honorable mention.
I like how the top of the tier list is a bunch of pseudo legendaries and actual legendaries and in the middle of it is a random steel bird with a base stat total of 465
i'm loving the new implementation of the P tier ranking.
maybe we can have a video comparing the most recent tier list with one from 2000s, or a video that emphasizes the differences in gen 3 tier lists across time periods
Suicune in B is kinda suspect. It has so much moveset variety and I've seen it win so many tourney sets but Im hardly an expert.
Blatant example of downplaying. It's disgusting.
@@yourdagan Little dramatic
I haven't seen that much moveset variety with suicune. Defensive cm usually uses the same 4 moves (calm mind, rest, surf and roar). Offensive cm has a few more options but it's not like tyranitar or salamence that have a bunch of sets all with lots of viable move options.
@@androsp9105 Yeah, it's definitely not on the level of Tar or Mence since it can't go mixed.
Yea it should be A tbh. Thats the only I felt most strongly as being wrongly placed.
I quite agree with the newest version of the tier list (except lax, celebi, starmie and dug(which for a tier list of over 50 mons is impressive, and please no replies with no thoughts put into em like the previous guy)
So you don’t really agree lmao
@@dandan4092 I disagree with some mons in the larger scale of the tier list but hey only some of the over 50
@@Omar_ZXok Mr Sensitive
Awesome breakdown, I actually just picked up gen 3 because of how much you talk about it. I’m Running a magdug combo with dactyl but there are so many intricacies to the meta game with evs it really feels like a mature meta to play.
Wish sandslash was legal and didnt have sandveil. Just a faster Donphan with less bulk & damage, with swords dance.
from the S to the C, thats whats common in ADV
I'd like to see stock charts of all the mons according to Smogon viability and Jim's personal takes over time
Looking at this list, I am realizing just how impactful Stealth Rock is. Almost every single defensive wall is weak to Stealth Rock and without it, flying types become defensive
Edit: Grammar
Flying types become defensive because of how good spikes are when they are the only entry hazard :)
Salamence saved my life.
Lol😂
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I wish someone would talk to me like Jimmy talks to Roselia.
“You’re a little flower and you’ve managed to make dreams come true” ❤
The thing I disagreed the most with was Regirock beeing so low. Regice beeing at the top of D is fine for me but Regirock is at a similar level, if not a bit higher (obviously just in my opinion).
Big fan of Venusaur in adv
* edit * also a big fan of hating ninjask
It's insane that Lunatone is ranked but Alakazam or Wailord isn't.
Also scizor should absolutely be ranked as I have solo-swept entire teams with it. It is imo the best endure/reversal sweeper by far due to being sand immune and it can also be a solid SD/speed passer.
isn't the issue with it that it can literally only do one thing and loses the instant the opponent is aware of it?
Thanks for the updated tierlist mr cool
Wait this isn't the usual tierlist format but nic anyway
Regirock gets slept on I think
Such a reliable counter to Tyranitar that does pretty good work on lots of other mons if they switch out
There are at least 5 mons on this list i would say Tauros is better than.
Genuinely surprised that suicune isn’t in at least A rank
listened to this on my bike to work it was nice
Jimothy out here with the heaters lately. This is insane.
I'm really glad I've played enough of this tier at this point to actually have opinions on it at this point and not just be like "yeah that makes sense and seems right" to everything you say. Loved listening to this!
Hugely appreciate the respect you put on Glalie's name. signed, a low ladder scrub who can barely use it
One hour and seventeen minutes of insightful & entertaining Jimothy Cool content?
Goodness gracious. This is bonkers.
It's sad that Gen 2 is the only gen to not have any of its starters listed as OU viable. Gen 3 has all its starters in there, and even Gen 1 gets two.
Justice for Gen 2!
Defensive wish baton pass Jolteon sounds like a solid meme to heal up a swampert or skarm. It could even run lum berry with a potential protect to meme-stall the Zapdos and proc wish more securely for teammates and itself. If you build Timid 176 speed you can outspeed and Baton Pass out of a max speed Dugtrio's arena trap and into a flyer. This would have the side effect of allowing the new pokemon in to also receive a Wish.
Very cool. Within this "format" I love Gengar, Celebi, Aerodactyl, Starmie, Jolteon, Cloyster, Steelix and most of all Medicham, which is severely underrated
I was just rewatching your August 23 one lol
Gengar gets walled by Magcargo so it should be in F tier
I don't even care that much for gen 3 OU but this guy talks about it with so much passion I end up wanting to hear more about it.
Slaking or Steelix? in many ways indistinguishable
It’s here folks, a truly terrific tier list
You can tell man loves Gen 3.
This is list blasphemy. Where is Dragonite? It has a massive 134 attack stat to utilize.....HP flying.....or stab out....rage....it also learns extremespeed....last generation.
Ahhhh nevermind, Dragonite isn't gaming this generation folks
this might be a hot take but in my opinion both medicham and slaking deserve to be bare minimum top of d rank i dont understant the slander at all, and i'd comfortably call either of them way better than cloyster so bottom of c seems reasonable to me. they're two of the three hardest hitting physical attackers in the whole game with the third being groudon, and literally the only counterplay that exists is prediction. slaking is obviously very hard to use but medicham is still a monster even without band so you can just go timid leftovers and use brick/slide/shadow ball/punch to destroy everything. if you manage to pass an agility, sd or dd to your medi then it's probably game over too
Im a bit sad you gave into the peer pressure and started calling them "medee-cham" instead of "medee-cam", it was kind of endearing and memorable that way
How are lunatone and sceptile ranked but not wailord or dusclops
The Whale doesn't have a single recorded loss.
@@jimothycool finally some rational thinking. Thank you Jim P. Cool for your high value intellectual input on the matter
beautiful music selection
...has Lunatone ever even existed in any capacity outside of that 1 game?
I am going to force qwilfish's usage up
Lunatone with just Psychic and Ice Beam clears most play through in my Sapphire run. Throw in Calm Mind and Hypnosis and you get an absolute powerhouse!
This is insane, we are truly gaming, folks.
What a pleasant surprise to wake up to!
I think Dodrio, Dragonite, Dusclops, Espeon, Swellow and tauros deserve a place in the ranking.
Jirachy deserves to drop a tier. It lacks the power to punch a hole in the enemy team. Swampert and Salamence are good pokemon, but they are a victim of their own succes: You see the pokemon that should be countered to specifically use hidden power to hit the 4x weakness.
Magneton and Suicune should be A tier. Maybe Suicune could even be the 2nd best pokemon in the format.
Dugtrio and Moltress deserve to drop a tier, whereas Heracross and breloom deserve to raise a tier. Heracross can sweep teams on its own, whereas Breloom can revenge spore an opponent. A dug might be nice, but a free turn (DD) can ruin the game.
Nearly 80 minutes of Gen3 OU love letter
A classic Jim video
shouts out to jimbothy for making a video section for each individual pokemon that probably took a lot of time
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I just Hope my boi Ludicolo is good
Ludicolo is quite good.
It's underrated.
I would add Hitmontop somewhere in the lower ranks, it's very niche but with Intimidate it can threaten T-Tar, and with Triple Kick it can handle even Substitue variants of T-Tar. It can also spin if needed but it's not the best for this purpose.
Why is Slaking given Steelix's sprite?
Those long videos are cool
surprised to see metagross in S and not high A, maybe I'm just dumb. I agree salamence should be above gengar. I'd also put zapdos above swampert. otherwise I pretty much agree with the list.
We got so many likable Pokemon in this meta🔥😎
ur pfp goes hard btw
@@ori_boriTy, trans Dunsparce is very epic too!
Trans women aren't real women
Simply epic. And funny.
McMeghan makes an extremely compelling argument for Skarmory being #1
Just a quick question but has there ever been an advance 202 tournament where its just pokemon from the ruby sapphire and emerald regional dex?
I don't think so, closest is 200 which is just rs and is very uncmmon
I heard Snorlax is making a comeback with gen 3 paradox evolution Big Guy
How come metagross has a higher rank than Jirachi when metagross doesn't have serene grace? Just because it gets Agility -- even though Jirachi gets T-Wave and can make 101 HP Subs? Or is it because Jirachi doesn't get Choice Scarf this gen?
Regirock SLANDER
Weezing back in my days of pokemon battlenet was a good choice.
he's a good counter to heracross, hariyama, medicham, snorlax with sludge bomb and pain split, unfortunately most of those pokemon aren't huge threats on their own. He also does surprisingly well against Blissey and any Celebi that doesn't have psychic, able to break through them eventually with pain split and a crit sludge bomb.
Even with haze he isn't a super reliable phaser because he doesn't resist rock or flying, so is vulnerable to danced up tyranitars and salamences, the main threats. He's also vulnerable to calm minders obviously so can't phase them due to how slow he is. Something like swampert or skarmory is going to be a more reliable phaser for those purposes.
Instead I like to run him surprisingly offensive and fast, with explosion and sludge bomb. You often catch a lot of pokemon offguard with this strategy and stab poison is a great niche typing to get between the cracks of people's walls
I think Blissey is currently broken.
Before we didn't realize it because of the more elaborate baton pass chains.
Now with the new restrictions it is obvious how broken she is.
There are few physical attackers who can defeat her. And even though Dugtrio can catch her, it's not easy for him.
Much of this is thanks to the main physical attackers having low-powered moves, such as Salamence, Gyarados, Tyranitar. Movements of 70 or 75 power maximum.
And moves like Cross Chop can only be used effectively by 2 Pokémon that are rare and slow.
Heracross and Breloom both are catchable by Dug
Very insane.
I'm a big fan of CB Snorlax and CB Claydol
Both get a lot of surprise ohkos
Snorlax can CB boom a Skarmory without setting up and return ohko things like Zapdos
CB Claydol lures Gengar for a shadow ball ohko quite reliably and 1v1s Metagross with earthquake
Idk I'm waiting on Iron Mugulus' thoughts on the meta
58:41 Based af statement!! Porygon2 is truly the best D Rank Mon here!
besides celebi and blissey all the s and a ranks are either immune to spikes or sandstorm. makes sense just never saw it like this haha
Hell yeah, perfect for my morning drive
I wonder if Raikou would be better as a lead than a cleaner. Toxic and CM does beat Zapdos, Rest can only accomplish so much without Roar. Another matchup fishy situation like Jynx without the sleep. Dugtrio not being a lead (unless if it’s also matchup fishing) also helps.
I wish Rain Dish Ludicolo was better as well.
am i crazy but is this the 2014 one hes using?
The thread was originally made back in 2014 but they edit the post whenever there's an update. You can see at the bottom "Last edited: Feb 6, 2024"
@@jimothycool how foolish of me. Thank u mr cool.
Wow...this is insane
Genuine question : in the jolteon section he says that "jolteon can enter into a thunderbolt and everything seems fine, but the it's suddenly thunder waved and then it is crippled for the rest of the game". Does t-wave bypass the bolt absorb inmunity to electric type moves?
Yes
In gen 3 yeah
Weezing is B or C tier and I won't hear otherwise
Im on boars with most of the list, but every time I think people underrate cune. It's such a threatening win condition and provides so much effortless midgame Utility.
Didn’t you already make a video about gengar?
they put ludicolo above blaziken and glalie smh my head
great snorlax speech